Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei you didn't respond to my response to your actual case. just like 2 paragraphs of it

That's because I felt those were the most pertinent paragraphs. Everything else just boils down to me interpreting things one way and you suggesting another thing. Is there more that you would like clarified?

[Jackofhearts2005]

What's the case against nova? I hardly remember the last time he posted, but I don't take silence to be alignment-indicative. I had him as a town read earlier in the game.

Essentially that he distanced from Colin on N1 and has done nothing since.

The case for Nova being town is that he was really attacking Colin and it was by no means distancing.

A wrinkle to either case is that someone took Nova’s name off the poll yesterday.

[Sloonei]

What's the case against nova? I hardly remember the last time he posted, but I don't take silence to be alignment-indicative. I had him as a town read earlier in the game.

Essentially that he distanced from Colin on N1 and has done nothing since.

The case for Nova being town is that he was really attacking Colin and it was by no means distancing.

A wrinkle to either case is that someone took Nova’s name off the poll yesterday.

If it has not progressed since that then my read isn't changed. That said, his lack of presence is less than ideal and I'd like it if he could get on and give us new content to work with [mention]novaselinenever[/mention].

[Jackofhearts2005]

Marmot is the Helot. He may not be lynched. He may not be killed. He may not vote.

Ffs

Marmot called out dunya for appearing to have a frustrated response to his stumping. What about this one?

Way more frustrated. I didn’t read Dunya’s post as frustrated at all. I’m not sure how that changes Wolbre’s alignment.

Like if he’s bad and he missed a mislynch, he’s not gonna do that. Maybe a fake overreaction to yet again not lynching a baddie?

I'm not sure I understand the second line. First you seem to suggest he's not bad, but then you suggest his reaction was fake, which would seem to imply badness.

I’m saying the case Marmot seemed to make (against Dunya) was “frustrated = annoyed couldn’t remove Marmot = bad” and I don’t really feel the line of reasoning. Stumping isn’t that frustrating to the scum, I would think. I could maybe see “frustrated = fake = bad.”

I’m not sure the post really does anything for my Wolbre read at all and the Dunya post certainly doesn’t do anything for my Dunya read cause it was a generic reaction like “rip fallen townie” or “yay we lynched a baddie.”

[Kylemii]

@Sloonei you didn't respond to my response to your actual case. just like 2 paragraphs of it

That's because I felt those were the most pertinent paragraphs. Everything else just boils down to me interpreting things one way and you suggesting another thing. Is there more that you would like clarified?

you accused me of voting for speedchuck later on when suspicion was already going strong against him even though i was the second vote against him after Jack's, that's not a misinterpretation that's you having a fact wrong.

[Jackofhearts2005]

What's the case against nova? I hardly remember the last time he posted, but I don't take silence to be alignment-indicative. I had him as a town read earlier in the game.

Essentially that he distanced from Colin on N1 and has done nothing since.

The case for Nova being town is that he was really attacking Colin and it was by no means distancing.

A wrinkle to either case is that someone took Nova’s name off the poll yesterday.

If it has not progressed since that then my read isn't changed. That said, his lack of presence is less than ideal and I'd like it if he could get on and give us new content to work with novaselinenever.

Neither case can progress if he doesn’t post.

Just based on N1, I think Nova is good. Lots of wine from the removal and Speedchuck lynch. I really dislike giving a player a pass for 7 days and 7 nights based on a couple posts from N1 but at the same time, I don’t like gambling a game on a principal lynch, either.

I have yet to see a sufficient solution to inactivity in mafia.

Who is your top scum read if I somehow daykill Kyle right now and he’s bad?

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sloonei you didn't respond to my response to your actual case. just like 2 paragraphs of it

That's because I felt those were the most pertinent paragraphs. Everything else just boils down to me interpreting things one way and you suggesting another thing. Is there more that you would like clarified?

you accused me of voting for speedchuck later on when suspicion was already going strong against him even though i was the second vote against him after Jack's, that's not a misinterpretation that's you having a fact wrong.

Give me an argument that I bussed Speed that doesn’t equally apply to you.

[Kylemii]

mafia tend to drop off in activity during late game when their teams have been half killed, especially when their dead team members were the mouthpieces of the group.

that's what happened to me in GoC

[Kylemii]

@Sloonei you didn't respond to my response to your actual case. just like 2 paragraphs of it

That's because I felt those were the most pertinent paragraphs. Everything else just boils down to me interpreting things one way and you suggesting another thing. Is there more that you would like clarified?

you accused me of voting for speedchuck later on when suspicion was already going strong against him even though i was the second vote against him after Jack's, that's not a misinterpretation that's you having a fact wrong.

Give me an argument that I bussed Speed that doesn’t equally apply to you.

significant amount of forethought and preparation leading up to the event.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei you didn't respond to my response to your actual case. just like 2 paragraphs of it

That's because I felt those were the most pertinent paragraphs. Everything else just boils down to me interpreting things one way and you suggesting another thing. Is there more that you would like clarified?

you accused me of voting for speedchuck later on when suspicion was already going strong against him even though i was the second vote against him after Jack's, that's not a misinterpretation that's you having a fact wrong.

That's both a misinterpretation and me having a fact wrong, actually. Check and mate. But yes, I will give you credit for that and apologize for misrepresenting. I was away for a lot of that day phase and so much of the context is lost to me. Which is also why I'm still in the dark on the whole theory about Jack. I'm tired of asking about that at this point.
But I still don't see this as clearing your name. We all seem to be in agreement that speedchuck's role made him a preferable bus candidate, and baddie kyle could have easily seized a chance to put some distance between himself and speedchuck there.

I am more interested in your present reads. nova and jack seem to be your heaviest scum reads, I think. Is there anyone else you are especially suspicious of, or anything you'd like to add to the conversation about those two?

[Turnip Head]

@Sloonei you didn't respond to my response to your actual case. just like 2 paragraphs of it

That's because I felt those were the most pertinent paragraphs. Everything else just boils down to me interpreting things one way and you suggesting another thing. Is there more that you would like clarified?

you accused me of voting for speedchuck later on when suspicion was already going strong against him even though i was the second vote against him after Jack's, that's not a misinterpretation that's you having a fact wrong.

Give me an argument that I bussed Speed that doesn’t equally apply to you.

significant amount of forethought and preparation leading up to the event.

This

[Turnip Head]

Jack's game changed completely once Day 5 started. It's impossible for me to unsee it.

[Kylemii]

@Sloonei you didn't respond to my response to your actual case. just like 2 paragraphs of it

That's because I felt those were the most pertinent paragraphs. Everything else just boils down to me interpreting things one way and you suggesting another thing. Is there more that you would like clarified?

you accused me of voting for speedchuck later on when suspicion was already going strong against him even though i was the second vote against him after Jack's, that's not a misinterpretation that's you having a fact wrong.

That's both a misinterpretation and me having a fact wrong, actually. Check and mate. But yes, I will give you credit for that and apologize for misrepresenting. I was away for a lot of that day phase and so much of the context is lost to me. Which is also why I'm still in the dark on the whole theory about Jack. I'm tired of asking about that at this point.
But I still don't see this as clearing your name. We all seem to be in agreement that speedchuck's role made him a preferable bus candidate, and baddie kyle could have easily seized a chance to put some distance between himself and speedchuck there.

I am more interested in your present reads. nova and jack seem to be your heaviest scum reads, I think. Is there anyone else you are especially suspicious of, or anything you'd like to add to the conversation about those two?

i'm actually a little less interested in jack today. i'll expand on my reads later especially RE: novaselinever. if you want to see my most recent reads please check out my most recent fanfiction post (iso me and ctrl+ f the word chapter), not much has changed since then

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sloonei you didn't respond to my response to your actual case. just like 2 paragraphs of it

That's because I felt those were the most pertinent paragraphs. Everything else just boils down to me interpreting things one way and you suggesting another thing. Is there more that you would like clarified?

you accused me of voting for speedchuck later on when suspicion was already going strong against him even though i was the second vote against him after Jack's, that's not a misinterpretation that's you having a fact wrong.

Give me an argument that I bussed Speed that doesn’t equally apply to you.

significant amount of forethought and preparation leading up to the event.

Show me.

You thought I had info on Speedchuck. What changed?

Wouldn’t baddie Kyle bus Speed if he thought Speed had been caught red handed via info?

[Sloonei]

What's the case against nova? I hardly remember the last time he posted, but I don't take silence to be alignment-indicative. I had him as a town read earlier in the game.

Essentially that he distanced from Colin on N1 and has done nothing since.

The case for Nova being town is that he was really attacking Colin and it was by no means distancing.

A wrinkle to either case is that someone took Nova’s name off the poll yesterday.

If it has not progressed since that then my read isn't changed. That said, his lack of presence is less than ideal and I'd like it if he could get on and give us new content to work with novaselinenever.

Neither case can progress if he doesn’t post.

Just based on N1, I think Nova is good. Lots of wine from the removal and Speedchuck lynch. I really dislike giving a player a pass for 7 days and 7 nights based on a couple posts from N1 but at the same time, I don’t like gambling a game on a principal lynch, either.

I have yet to see a sufficient solution to inactivity in mafia.

Who is your top scum read if I somehow daykill Kyle right now and he’s bad?

If Kyle is bad I would not be surprised to find wolbre as bad. I don't remember any meaningful interaction between the two of them one way or the other (I don't say that as a criticism as either of them, just stating that I have not examined their relationship to see if they'd be compatible), but a baddie team that is whittled down to players of their activity levels at this stage might make sense. Kyle is in the more vocal half of our population while wolbre is laying a bit lower.

I don't think you would make sense as partners with kyle. Turnip Head might. He has been pro-Kyle for a while, no rhyme intended. I have no distinct impression of a particular relationship between kyle and dunya, but those three are the ones I've seen pushing the case against you the most.

I'll be pretty surprised if spacedaisy is bad at this point.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack's game changed completely once Day 5 started. It's impossible for me to unsee it.

There are like 5 living roles that explain it plus the possibility that I just decided to get off my ass after 4 days.

Why are you stuck on this?

Why don’t you trust CBob when he says I would never bus a teammate?

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei you didn't respond to my response to your actual case. just like 2 paragraphs of it

That's because I felt those were the most pertinent paragraphs. Everything else just boils down to me interpreting things one way and you suggesting another thing. Is there more that you would like clarified?

you accused me of voting for speedchuck later on when suspicion was already going strong against him even though i was the second vote against him after Jack's, that's not a misinterpretation that's you having a fact wrong.

That's both a misinterpretation and me having a fact wrong, actually. Check and mate. But yes, I will give you credit for that and apologize for misrepresenting. I was away for a lot of that day phase and so much of the context is lost to me. Which is also why I'm still in the dark on the whole theory about Jack. I'm tired of asking about that at this point.
But I still don't see this as clearing your name. We all seem to be in agreement that speedchuck's role made him a preferable bus candidate, and baddie kyle could have easily seized a chance to put some distance between himself and speedchuck there.

I am more interested in your present reads. nova and jack seem to be your heaviest scum reads, I think. Is there anyone else you are especially suspicious of, or anything you'd like to add to the conversation about those two?

i'm actually a little less interested in jack today. i'll expand on my reads later especially RE: novaselinever. if you want to see my most recent reads please check out my most recent fanfiction post (iso me and ctrl+ f the word chapter), not much has changed since then

I based my questions on the f-word chapter reads. I'm familiar with those, I'd like to know how they've progressed or if there are more details about any specific cases. Which you can post when you're good and ready, no pressure. Except a little pressure because my vote is still on you.

[Sloonei]

mafia tend to drop off in activity during late game when their teams have been half killed, especially when their dead team members were the mouthpieces of the group.

that's what happened to me in GoC

I don't think this is necessarily true and it would depend entirely on individuals and circumstances.

[Sloonei]

You guys are holding me back from watching westworld, i kindly ask that you knock it off so i can go see [major spoiler alert!]robot cowboys fighting people.[/major spoiler alert!]

[Turnip Head]

Jack's game changed completely once Day 5 started. It's impossible for me to unsee it.

There are like 5 living roles that explain it plus the possibility that I just decided to get off my ass after 4 days.

Why are you stuck on this?

Why don’t you trust CBob when he says I would never bus a teammate?

Cbob's dead and also idk who Cbob is

Anyways it's Day 8 and I've got this itch to lynch you and I might as well keep scratching it

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

I don’t see Dunya as bad with anyone but Nova or TH and I don’t really see her as bad at all.

If I remove Nova, Dunya, Daisy and you from my POE, a mafia of two of Kyle, Wolbre and TH makes quite a bit of sense.

I’d ask folks more familiar with TH if they could see him acting this way as a baddie: Doing fuck and all for most of the game, giving mostly a good tone and good reads but pursuing none of them, almost exclusively pursuing a townie he has no hope of lynching.

These actions feel like a townie. Can TH fake that? Would he be so obvious in his badness that Jack, who has a real problem with taking the obvious route, sees his content as so bad that it loops around and cannot possibly be bad?

This is a serious question. This is my first game with TH so I have no idea.

[Kylemii]

Show me.

i'm not gonna quote all those posts for you, read your own iso if you've forgotten, jack. you went after speedchuck from the very beginning, for arbitrary reasons. then suddenly at the dawn of the 4th day phase you say 'i've been after speed for a while now, but suddenly i'm very serious about it'. tell me with a straight face if you saw someone else do that you wouldn't suspect there was something going on below the surface.

You thought I had info on Speedchuck. What changed?

speed was lynched and flipped as the role that fucks the town over when it's lynched, and then people started talking as if it was lylo, i don't think "speed and jack might have planned this together" is a crazy theory given the provided evidence and the fact that speedchuck has been known for pulling stuff like that

]Wouldn’t baddie Kyle bus Speed if he thought Speed had been caught red handed via info?

if recent history means anything, baddie kyle would have started bussing speedchuck way before that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack's game changed completely once Day 5 started. It's impossible for me to unsee it.

There are like 5 living roles that explain it plus the possibility that I just decided to get off my ass after 4 days.

Why are you stuck on this?

Why don’t you trust CBob when he says I would never bus a teammate?

Cbob's dead and also idk who Cbob is

Anyways it's Day 8 and I've got this itch to lynch you and I might as well keep scratching it

CBob’s town and we’re from the same home site where we’ve played dozens of games together. We play board games online sometimes. Our sigs on our home site are quotes from each other. The guy knows how I play mafia. This is what he had to say about it.

Spoiler: show

My vote for speedchuck along with my reading him and encouraging SD to give an opinion on him, which resulted in her making a case on him was 90% based on my assumption that Jack has used an info role on Speedchuck during night 4

did you see the link Scotty compiled? why would Jack wait till night 4 to use any info role on speed is the question, considering he's called for speed's lynch and scumminess practically from day 1. who else has Jack done that with? who else has Jack actively hounded up until Day 5? and coincidentally, day 5 is the day he gets heat. seems convenient? I just don't like to assume everything is a coincidence.

When have I ever bussed a teammate who was not under suspicion? @colonialbob you ever seen me do that?

The pressure you talk about was one vote from Scotty. TH’s vote doesn’t count for obvious reasons.

This. Is. Tinfoil.

Cut it out.

No.

Jack seems to subscribe (as do I) to simple math - more mafia = better. He'll jump on a teammate who gets caught, for sure, but actively bussing? Nope. And sure, speed talked about burnout, but a) he was still fighting up to the end, and b) WHY ARE WE FOCUSING SO MUCH ON WHAT HE SAID AFTER HE BECAME THE LIKELY LYNCH

And no, you might as well not because at lylo, a townie should not go off alone on a train that isn’t leaving the station. That’s like asking to lose.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei

I don’t see Dunya as bad with anyone but Nova or TH and I don’t really see her as bad at all.

If I remove Nova, Dunya, Daisy and you from my POE, a mafia of two of Kyle, Wolbre and TH makes quite a bit of sense.

I’d ask folks more familiar with TH if they could see him acting this way as a baddie: Doing fuck and all for most of the game, giving mostly a good tone and good reads but pursuing none of them, almost exclusively pursuing a townie he has no hope of lynching.

These actions feel like a townie. Can TH fake that? Would he be so obvious in his badness that Jack, who has a real problem with taking the obvious route, sees his content as so bad that it loops around and cannot possibly be bad?

This is a serious question. This is my first game with TH so I have no idea.

It's been ages since TH played with us and I can't say I have a tremendous amount of experience with him. Then again, looking around at our roster, Kyle and daisy are probably the only ones with more Turnip Head experience than myself. But I could see him playing this way as scum. It would not be my first instinct, but at this stage I'm not willing to rule him out. He would not be my preferred lynch among these candidates though and I would still GTH him as good.
Also like he said earlier, it's not accurate to say he's done nothing this game. He's just been lighthearted and goofy, but there's still been content underneath most of that. See: his pursuit of you.

[Sloonei]

i'm going to westworld now.

[Kylemii]

I based my questions on the f-word chapter reads. I'm familiar with those, I'd like to know how they've progressed or if there are more details about any specific cases. Which you can post when you're good and ready, no pressure. Except a little pressure because my vote is still on you.

they haven't progressed much, it's been like 24 hours since i made that post and nothing meaningful has happened.

i'll return and answer your questions more later if needed. i don't care if your vote is on me as long as you're still searching and reading things. right now my attention is needed elsewhere

[Kylemii]

i don't remember how turnip head played in the old days cus he always blended together with dharma helper and moving pictures and basically anyone else with a two word name

[Kylemii]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] when you return please let me know if westworld is a good show and if i should watch it in my free time

[wolbre04]

@Sloonei when you return please let me know if westworld is a good show and if i should watch it in my free time

It's an awesome show tbh, would def recommend it to anyone.


Also, I'll repeat myself for the 100th time: I am NOT 3p. I am town.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Show me.

i'm not gonna quote all those posts for you, read your own iso if you've forgotten, jack. you went after speedchuck from the very beginning, for arbitrary reasons. then suddenly at the dawn of the 4th day phase you say 'i've been after speed for a while now, but suddenly i'm very serious about it'. tell me with a straight face if you saw someone else do that you wouldn't suspect there was something going on below the surface.

You thought I had info on Speedchuck. What changed?

speed was lynched and flipped as the role that fucks the town over when it's lynched, and then people started talking as if it was lylo, i don't think "speed and jack might have planned this together" is a crazy theory given the provided evidence and the fact that speedchuck has been known for pulling stuff like that

]Wouldn’t baddie Kyle bus Speed if he thought Speed had been caught red handed via info?

if recent history means anything, baddie kyle would have started bussing speedchuck way before that.

1) Pitiful response. I didn’t ask you to show me how I treated Speed. I said show me the forethought and preparation you claim I showed, which made it seem to you (in hindsight, suddenly) that I might be bad. Now you’re saying I showed no preparation or forethought, massively changing my approach out of the blue in an obvious way.
2) 33% chance a lynched baddie would be that baddie. If you don’t buy from Bob that I don’t bus teammates or that there’s a very high probability of catching a scummer that just had that power, I’m wondering why the thought didn’t occur to you at the time. You were totally on board with the Speedchuck lynch while Scotty and TH said I was bussing Speed but that wasn’t enough to lynch me. Now that TH, Dunya and Wolbre make up a much higher percentage of the players willing to maybe vote me out, you suddenly have doubts. That’s kinda suspicious, Kyle.
3) Way before what? You were the second vote, right? You bussed right when it seemed someone had info on Speed and he was screwed.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]wolbre04[/mention]

Tell me about Kyle.

[Jackofhearts2005]

In fact, “let’s see what happens if I” [VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

[Kylemii]

1/ the early treatment of speed *is* the forethought. i shouldn't have to explain this to you, jack. you make a post or two every few phases saying "hey guys what if speedchuck's bad " and then days later lynch him. no one suspects you because why would jack do that? such an audacious plan? would give you enough meta safety to survive the couple phases remaining between the event and lylo. part of my reason for faltering in this belief is in fact the realization that we're apparently not as close to lylo as speedchuck threatened

2. who cares what bob says, his statement didn't account for speedchuck's personality. if speedchuck offers to you a plan in btsc on day one and says "hey lynch me when we're nearing lylo but start accusing me now, so it's not obvious no" what are you going to say "ew no, sorry chuck that's not my kind of thing. i only like to do straightforward and easy plans, and i never bus my teammates." i've had doubts constantly, i don't care that you find it suspicious, being anxious thorough is in my nature.

3. days earlier. i started bussing boomslang basically the moment i got my rolecard. no one ever actually noticed it cus boomslang conceded and it was never necessary to delve into my posts.

[wolbre04]

@wolbre04

Tell me about Kyle.

He's in the crew of people who I would potentially believe might've bussed speed. maybe
I think that him and TH are buddying so much that they aren't W/W. If he flips scum I'll bet TH is probably town or 3p, for that matter

[wolbre04]

Show me.

i'm not gonna quote all those posts for you, read your own iso if you've forgotten, jack. you went after speedchuck from the very beginning, for arbitrary reasons. then suddenly at the dawn of the 4th day phase you say 'i've been after speed for a while now, but suddenly i'm very serious about it'. tell me with a straight face if you saw someone else do that you wouldn't suspect there was something going on below the surface.

You thought I had info on Speedchuck. What changed?

speed was lynched and flipped as the role that fucks the town over when it's lynched, and then people started talking as if it was lylo, i don't think "speed and jack might have planned this together" is a crazy theory given the provided evidence and the fact that speedchuck has been known for pulling stuff like that

]Wouldn’t baddie Kyle bus Speed if he thought Speed had been caught red handed via info?

if recent history means anything, baddie kyle would have started bussing speedchuck way before that.

1) Pitiful response. I didn’t ask you to show me how I treated Speed. I said show me the forethought and preparation you claim I showed, which made it seem to you (in hindsight, suddenly) that I might be bad. Now you’re saying I showed no preparation or forethought, massively changing my approach out of the blue in an obvious way.
2) 33% chance a lynched baddie would be that baddie. If you don’t buy from Bob that I don’t bus teammates or that there’s a very high probability of catching a scummer that just had that power, I’m wondering why the thought didn’t occur to you at the time. You were totally on board with the Speedchuck lynch while Scotty and TH said I was bussing Speed but that wasn’t enough to lynch me. Now that TH, Dunya and Wolbre make up a much higher percentage of the players willing to maybe vote me out, you suddenly have doubts. That’s kinda suspicious, Kyle.
3) Way before what? You were the second vote, right? You bussed right when it seemed someone had info on Speed and he was screwed.

I actually kinda like this angle. Pretty sure nova is afk (and we know how killing afks turns out in recent times)
[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine
Make me evolve my read on you Kyle like Bulbasaur becomes ivysaur

[Kylemii]

[mention]wolbre04[/mention] actually tell me why you're voting for me

[wolbre04]

@wolbre04 actually tell me why you're voting for me

Point 3 is very valid regarding your vote on speed. I think mafia was willing to let him naturally get a vote before everyone clamored to hop on board and look clean

[Kylemii]

wolbre04 actually tell me why you're voting for me

Point 3 is very valid regarding your vote on speed. I think mafia was willing to let him naturally get a vote before everyone clamored to hop on board and look clean

can you please try to explain a little better than that? what is your specific issue with my vote?

i voted for Speedchuck early because i wanted to bring him into the realm of legitimate discussion by making his lynch a realistic possibility

[Kylemii]

by the way if jack turns out to have bussed speedchuck i reserve the right to be irritatingly smug about it for the rest of 2018

[Jackofhearts2005]

1/ the early treatment of speed *is* the forethought. i shouldn't have to explain this to you, jack. you make a post or two every few phases saying "hey guys what if speedchuck's bad " and then days later lynch him. no one suspects you because why would jack do that? such an audacious plan? would give you enough meta safety to survive the couple phases remaining between the event and lylo. part of my reason for faltering in this belief is in fact the realization that we're apparently not as close to lylo as speedchuck threatened

2. who cares what bob says, his statement didn't account for speedchuck's personality. if speedchuck offers to you a plan in btsc on day one and says "hey lynch me when we're nearing lylo but start accusing me now, so it's not obvious no" what are you going to say "ew no, sorry chuck that's not my kind of thing. i only like to do straightforward and easy plans, and i never bus my teammates." i've had doubts constantly, i don't care that you find it suspicious, being anxious thorough is in my nature.

3. days earlier. i started bussing boomslang basically the moment i got my rolecard. no one ever actually noticed it cus boomslang conceded and it was never necessary to delve into my posts.

1. What a shit plan, right? Didn’t even get two votes on Speed before Scotty and TH were all over me. We weren’t close to lylo at the time. Fuck, by bussing Speedchuck, I extended lylo by a day. I am bad at being mafia, aren’t I?

2/3. How convenient. Who cares what you say? Townie Bob is a more reliable narrator for my meta than you are of yours. Speedchuck’s not my boss. Speed didn’t give up trying to get me lynched but he did lob you that nice ball right over the plate for you, didn’t he? K: “Do you think Jack is 3P?” SC: “Yeah.” K: “Then why are you voting for him?”

[wolbre04]

wolbre04 actually tell me why you're voting for me

Point 3 is very valid regarding your vote on speed. I think mafia was willing to let him naturally get a vote before everyone clamored to hop on board and look clean

can you please try to explain a little better than that? what is your specific issue with my vote?

i voted for Speedchuck early because i wanted to bring him into the realm of legitimate discussion by making his lynch a realistic possibility

Well I know I'm not mafia so my vote wasn't bussing. I just hopped on board the train because I heard there was gonna be cocktail weiners. Speed was already being eyed up. It would've made perfect sense to either wait for suspicion to be cast or "pressure him" yourself. Look where the first 2 votes got us.

[Kylemii]

1. What a shit plan, right? Didn’t even get two votes on Speed before Scotty and TH were all over me. We weren’t close to lylo at the time. Fuck, by bussing Speedchuck, I extended lylo by a day. I am bad at being mafia, aren’t I?

put your hyperbole away and relax, jesus fuck

2/3. How convenient. Who cares what you say? Townie Bob is a more reliable narrator for my meta than you are of yours. Speedchuck’s not my boss. Speed didn’t give up trying to get me lynched but he did lob you that nice ball right over the plate for you, didn’t he? K: “Do you think Jack is 3P?” SC: “Yeah.” K: “Then why are you voting for him?”

cbob is just some random guy, he's capable of being wrong.

jack i'm so tired of you getting mad and trying to lynch me literally every time i suspect you in every game we've ever played.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Who’s mad?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Also, stop suspecting me cause I’m always town.

[Kylemii]

wolbre04 actually tell me why you're voting for me

Point 3 is very valid regarding your vote on speed. I think mafia was willing to let him naturally get a vote before everyone clamored to hop on board and look clean

can you please try to explain a little better than that? what is your specific issue with my vote?

i voted for Speedchuck early because i wanted to bring him into the realm of legitimate discussion by making his lynch a realistic possibility

Well I know I'm not mafia so my vote wasn't bussing. I just hopped on board the train because I heard there was gonna be cocktail weiners. Speed was already being eyed up. It would've made perfect sense to either wait for suspicion to be cast or "pressure him" yourself. Look where the first 2 votes got us.

i'm so sorry i really don't understand what you're saying here. what was it about *my* actions in particular that seem scummy to you, in terms of the speedchuck lynch train.

[Kylemii]

jack.

[Kylemii]

jesus christ

[Kylemii]

of course obviously everything you do in any context is definitely always innocent in nature, 100% of the time, my mistake. how foolish of me to assume you'd ever do anything for deceptive purposes in mafia, a game that is about doing exactly that.

[Turnip Head]

by the way if jack turns out to have bussed speedchuck i reserve the right to be irritatingly smug about it for the rest of 2018

[Jackofhearts2005]

of course obviously everything you do in any context is definitely always innocent in nature, 100% of the time, my mistake. how foolish of me to assume you'd ever do anything for deceptive purposes in mafia, a game that is about doing exactly that.

I’m glad we’re on the same page. Convince me you’re not bad or someone else is more bad than you.