Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention]

I swear to god, if you’re bad, I’m going to be so mad at myself.

[Kylemii]

of course obviously everything you do in any context is definitely always innocent in nature, 100% of the time, my mistake. how foolish of me to assume you'd ever do anything for deceptive purposes in mafia, a game that is about doing exactly that.

I’m glad we’re on the same page. Convince me you’re not bad or someone else is more bad than you.

later. i need to calm down. maybe drink some water. be back in a bit

[Turnip Head]

@Turnip Head

I swear to god, if you’re bad, I’m going to be so mad at myself.

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei when you return please let me know if westworld is a good show and if i should watch it in my free time

The best. Yes. This episode, just damn. You all should go watch it.

[Marmot]

@Sloonei

I don’t see Dunya as bad with anyone but Nova or TH and I don’t really see her as bad at all.

If I remove Nova, Dunya, Daisy and you from my POE, a mafia of two of Kyle, Wolbre and TH makes quite a bit of sense.

I’d ask folks more familiar with TH if they could see him acting this way as a baddie: Doing fuck and all for most of the game, giving mostly a good tone and good reads but pursuing none of them, almost exclusively pursuing a townie he has no hope of lynching.

These actions feel like a townie. Can TH fake that? Would he be so obvious in his badness that Jack, who has a real problem with taking the obvious route, sees his content as so bad that it loops around and cannot possibly be bad?

This is a serious question. This is my first game with TH so I have no idea.

It's been ages since TH played with us and I can't say I have a tremendous amount of experience with him. Then again, looking around at our roster, Kyle and daisy are probably the only ones with more Turnip Head experience than myself. But I could see him playing this way as scum. It would not be my first instinct, but at this stage I'm not willing to rule him out. He would not be my preferred lynch among these candidates though and I would still GTH him as good.
Also like he said earlier, it's not accurate to say he's done nothing this game. He's just been lighthearted and goofy, but there's still been content underneath most of that. See: his pursuit of you.

You forgot about me!!!

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei

I don’t see Dunya as bad with anyone but Nova or TH and I don’t really see her as bad at all.

If I remove Nova, Dunya, Daisy and you from my POE, a mafia of two of Kyle, Wolbre and TH makes quite a bit of sense.

I’d ask folks more familiar with TH if they could see him acting this way as a baddie: Doing fuck and all for most of the game, giving mostly a good tone and good reads but pursuing none of them, almost exclusively pursuing a townie he has no hope of lynching.

These actions feel like a townie. Can TH fake that? Would he be so obvious in his badness that Jack, who has a real problem with taking the obvious route, sees his content as so bad that it loops around and cannot possibly be bad?

This is a serious question. This is my first game with TH so I have no idea.

It's been ages since TH played with us and I can't say I have a tremendous amount of experience with him. Then again, looking around at our roster, Kyle and daisy are probably the only ones with more Turnip Head experience than myself. But I could see him playing this way as scum. It would not be my first instinct, but at this stage I'm not willing to rule him out. He would not be my preferred lynch among these candidates though and I would still GTH him as good.
Also like he said earlier, it's not accurate to say he's done nothing this game. He's just been lighthearted and goofy, but there's still been content underneath most of that. See: his pursuit of you.

You forgot about me!!!

quiet, ent!

[Turnip Head]

Another morning, another lonely jack voter. Where have I gone wrong in my life? This is rhetorical.

[Turnip Head]

LFG 2 lynch JoH, need tank and deeps

[Jackofhearts2005]

LFG 2 lynch JoH, need tank and deeps

You wanna find mafia with me instead?

[dunya]

rip MP

[Turnip Head]

LFG 2 lynch JoH, need tank and deeps

You wanna find mafia with me instead?

[dunya]

what do you guys think the chance of novasalinever using poll removal power on himself? like timingwise

this is something I'd like to review

Low and also, he said he didn’t do it.

Dunya said she didn’t do it.

Anyone else been town reading Nova? I can kinda see what Dunya sees (said as much a few days back, when Scotty or Speed was lynched iirc) but at the same time, seems like a baddie move to use a traded town power to “confirm” a baddie.

I don't think anyone would be allowed to confess to doing it.

tru, but you can gleam from the thread it was definitely not Jack who did it, for example. i didn't do it, but as far as my stance on nova goes, it could have been me. who thinks nova is town besides me? I can't see where wolbre's head is at re: nova now. he's decided one scum is amongst me, JOH and TH. don't see nova's name.

or maybe a scum did it to fuck with our minds?

or maybe someone did it for the wifom? to make nova look guilty?

i don't think nova did it on himself. he chose a night where he wasn't being discussed and had been inactive for a while before. it's an awkward time to choose to take yourself off the lynch poll.

[dunya]

llllllet's see what happens if I [VOTE: novasalinever] aubergine

Voting 48 hours earlier than normal, aren’t you?

yeah it appears so

wow, you've literally never done this before. more obv meta change to fit your new persona huh?

[Jackofhearts2005]

LFG 2 lynch JoH, need tank and deeps

You wanna find mafia with me instead?

[dunya]

I said that I did not see why the argument about jack bussing speedchuck existed, and my view of the situation, which was not entirely uninformed, was that Jack was the leader of the speedchuck lynch. This is generally something that I town-read players for.

he wasn't only the leader of the lynch though.

This Scotty post pretty much illustrates the gradual bussing situation:

Spoiler: show

Jack’s Speedchuck interactions:

—Day 1–

Statistically speaking, we’re likely to catch a baddie by lynching Speedchuck.

#1

@speedchuck why pick out a defined number of scum? That sounds like the opposite of what a GTH read list is supposed to be: spontaneous

Is it? I'm new to GTH. I thought the gun was only supposed to force you to say town or scum instead of null.

The whole premise of Gun to Head is that it is just that- assumptions you would make on people if you had a gun to your head. Not organized beforehand where you say “ok, I’m thinking I’ll maybe call him bad and him good and oh! Looks like I need to come up with a few more grease monkeys!”

Bad look

#disagree

#why

Cause Speedchuck has done GTH like once or twice and anyway, how is that AI?

I forgot that he was the first to cast doubt on me here. Why is he defending speedchuck?

I’ll tell you what Speedchuck’s real alignment is on Day 6.

lol it’s currently Day 6, and he was lynched yesterday. Coincidence?? I don’t even understand the context of this or why he said it. It wasn’t in response to anything. Wtf

—Day 2—

@dunya

Wanna lynch Speedchuck?

#2

Whatever. You all bad anyway.

IKR?

I caught you and now you’ll get away with it.

#3

—Night 2—

@Dom

Speedchuck, Wolbre, Sloonei.

Luna, I don’t know about. She’s new. What people suspect her for is one post from another player. Do I think that scared Colin distances from a teammate in this scenario? Probably. But I’ve also never played with Colin and only seen his town play in FE so that’s a fair amount to bet without good info. I think Colin avoiding the Sloonei and Sig wagons because Sloonei is a mate to be more convincing.

LC I’m pretty null on. I’m not even shook after I last mislynched him in...MK? I just am not paying much attention to him.

Wolbre especially looks bad if Sloonei is bad. He had the wafflyiest defense of Sloonei since Sloonei threw away his eggo shield.

Speed, I just just don’t buy his rainbow. There are three neutrals and a large town. Two players are messing around. So he thinks they’re both bad? No way, Jose. That rainbow list is made up.

#4

—Day 3—

You're going after Team IDGAF now?

I've been after them for a while.

Cause you need fall guys cause you so bad.

#5

Speedchuck so bad, Michael Jackson gave him the rights to that song.

Speedchuck so evil, Thanos thinks his plans are a bit much.

Speedchuck so corrupt, Republicans are going to nominate him to run for president in 2024.

#6

—Night 3—

Speedchuck prolly bad tho.

Just sayin.

#7

—Day 4—

Lol Luna and Speedchuck bad together. So romantic.

#8

—Night 4—

@speedchuck

Is this the game you aren’t playing in or the one where you are bad?

#9

This is also the time where he and speed start a gif battle of incredulousness.

Okay gimmie gth reads on:

Speedchuck
Speedchuck
Speedchuck
Speedchuck

And why is he bad?

#10

Could one of you guys at least tell people WHY you think I'm bad? I really hope it's not "because meta."

I forget.

#10.5

And that is why Speedchuck is bad.

This is called scumhunting.

#11 (and this is in response to speed calling sprit GTH bad even tho he wasn’t in the game)

And that is why Speedchuck is bad.

This is called scumhunting.

Because I'm not paying enough attention to the game?

Or because I think a player that had completely evaded notice could be bad?

Because I’m a detective and I outsmarted you.

Therefore, you have to be the bad guy or else what am I even doing, right?

#12

—Day 5—

speedchuck, you're bad.

He knows.

#13

I’m going to be serious for the night so enjoy it while you can.

Choutas feels good. Cool as a cucumber under pressure. He doesn’t have an agenda beyond catching baddies.

Dunya has some tied to baddie Colin (I’ve been told) and I could see her bad with Speedchuck. Tone read her as good, which is probably dumb of me but whatever. Not opportunistic. Not leading. That probably cancels out. The “let’s start a game of gth okay nm bye” thing makes her look a little worse, too. Day tone tho.

Quin’s position is built on benefit of the doubt due to scumier players. I cannot recall any of his posts.

Kyle feels town. Heart read.

I don’t remember much of Lap this game but this looks a damn lot like typical town Bob. I’m kinda bad at reading Bob but I feel pretty confident if this read for some reason.

MP is basic town MP, complete with moments of being too busy to post. I’d be shocked if he was anything but town.

Marmot feels good. Then again, I kinda default to town reading Marmot if he does like anything. The colored vote things are more work than they are useful, which is a good place for scum to hide.

Nova is scum. Colin teammate evidence and generally a bad feeling.

Scotty is a possible scum player. As MP said, he’s going after low hanging fruit. Nova and Speedchuck are juicy targets if you want to lynch scum. Team idgaf is actually full of townies if you pay them half an ounce of attention. Scotty faulters sometimes as town but this is a particularly weak method of solving and I don’t buy his panic at all or his complaints about the Luna lynch.

Sloonei feels town and by POE is veeeery unlikely to be bad. Someone said he had Colin links but eh.

Spacedaisy is probably town by POE and also, I just kinda know she’s good.

Speedchuck is blatantly bad. My suspicions really started when he put me and TH low on his rainbow, which is dumb. He’s continued to push that angle in the gentlest of ways. It reeks of not only low hanging fruit but pointing out how nice the fruit is and hoping someone will get it for him. He’s afraid to stick his neck out and go for it himself, which mirrors his passive scum behavior in Pirates and Fire Emblem. He’s complained that I haven’t pursued my read on him in a meaningful way, which until now, is true. However, he’s done nothing to pursue his read of me or any of his reads, really. Without checking, do you know any of Speedchuck’s reads that I didn’t just tell you? Can you think of any hunting or any meaningful contribution he’s made all game? Of course you can’t. No. Speedchuck’s reactions to me are of a scummer who thinks I’m Indy and hopes I’ll never actually push him or that I’ll get myself lynched. His every post is testing the waters for one of those things. He’s not hunting.

TH is town. Duh. When he actually says stuff, the stuff makes sense.

Wolbre is maybe scum for being kinda there and saying wrong mechanical things. Did he have Colin links? I can’t recall.

#14. This is when he starts really laying out a case against speed.

How coincidental of Jack to start laying out reads now.

And how nice of cbob to butter him up and inflate his standing. He a teammate?

I think jack is distancing from nova and maybe speed. Can’t determine yet. I’m now convinced jack is only choosing to be “straight” because he has pressure.

who was pressuring jack

Jack was pressuring Jack. Sick of people assuming my Speedchuck read was a joke of some sort. Ready to see him strung up.

#15

So let me bus Speedchuck.

This is the “Jack is trying to bus Simon” thing from MK all over again. “I think Jack and the person he wants to lynch are both bad so I’m absolutely not going to lynch the person Hack wants to lynch.....for some reason.”

#16 and WIFOM ‘I’m bussing Speedchuck’

an earnest plea, to be sure

Is there a reason you aren’t voting Speedchuck?

Either I’m town and I caught him or I’m bad and I’m bussing him. What’s the problem?

#17

@colonialbob

Tell me why Speedchuck is not a good lynch today.

#18

@speedchuck why pick out a defined number of scum? That sounds like the opposite of what a GTH read list is supposed to be: spontaneous

Scotty got the answer way back when. Scotty is Civ.

Eyyyyyyy and yet I remember at least 2 people calling that not suspicious and it was basically dropped. I forgot who defended him

Me. Cause he’s my scum buddy. String him up.

#19. He’s really pushing that bussing WIFOM hard

@speedchuck why pick out a defined number of scum? That sounds like the opposite of what a GTH read list is supposed to be: spontaneous

Scotty got the answer way back when. Scotty is Civ.

Eyyyyyyy and yet I remember at least 2 people calling that not suspicious and it was basically dropped. I forgot who defended him

Me. Cause he’s my scum buddy. String him up.

What? I saw no such defense unless it came much later.

You think Speed is town Jack?

No, I think he’s scum. I’m just giving Scotty a hard time. I think I did say Speeds counted scumreads were NAI but maybe that was a similar situation with another player.

#20. Oh, so in this post he admits to just badgering me on D1 and never was defending speed. How nice of him. He always thought speed was bad.

Speedchuck is blatantly bad. My suspicions really started when he put me and TH low on his rainbow, which is dumb. He’s continued to push that angle in the gentlest of ways. It reeks of not only low hanging fruit but pointing out how nice the fruit is and hoping someone will get it for him. He’s afraid to stick his neck out and go for it himself, which mirrors his passive scum behavior in Pirates and Fire Emblem. He’s complained that I haven’t pursued my read on him in a meaningful way, which until now, is true. However, he’s done nothing to pursue his read of me or any of his reads, really. Without checking, do you know any of Speedchuck’s reads that I didn’t just tell you? Can you think of any hunting or any meaningful contribution he’s made all game? Of course you can’t. No. Speedchuck’s reactions to me are of a scummer who thinks I’m Indy and hopes I’ll never actually push him or that I’ll get myself lynched. His every post is testing the waters for one of those things. He’s not hunting.

Jack is trying to prove a point. He might actually think I'm bad if he's 3. He's wrong, and he doesn't care. He never cared before I prodded back at him.

Way I see it, if Jack is 3P, he cannot lose with my lynch. When I flip town, he'll send out his last offer and join scum. If I flipped scum, he'd join town with that extra cred. Tell me his MO doesn't look like this.

Bake him away, toys.

#21

Nova is town.

Jack is trying to prove a point. He might actually think I'm bad if he's 3P. He's wrong, and he doesn't care. He never cared before I prodded back at him.

Way I see it, if Jack is 3P, he cannot lose with my lynch. When I flip town, he'll send out his last offer and join scum. If I flipped scum, he'd join town with that extra cred. Tell me his MO doesn't look like this.

hey by the way what the heck does this mean, do you think jack is 3p?

Fixed a typo.

I think it's likely.

then why are you voting for him

Because spoiler alert, Speedchuck is both wrong and bad.

#22

It appears one of the indies has not picked a side yet. Why are you sure that’s not Jack, speedchuck?

Jack had an abrupt change in behavior today. One of the 3Ps had an abrupt change of alignment today.
That's my theory. It's not bulletproof.

I thought your theory was that I would change based on how you flip. Now I’ve changed based on a changed alignment of a 3P that hadn’t happened yet?

None of this does anything but underline that your’re more concerned with 3P than scum, which is a good portion of my arguement against you.

That WAS my theory. The theory has changed thanks to new info from the OP. New theory makes more sense with your're playstyle and POV.

Okay great. My theory is the same. You care more about if I’m 3P and if so, what I will do with that than you care about finding baddies. Cause you know where the baddies are. Cause you’re bad.

#23

————————————————-
Jack systematically threw speed’s name into the air every. Single. Phase.
On Day 5, he ramped it up and really bombarded the speed speakerphone. He’s really been gunning for speed since day 1. What changed in day 5 that he really hit it home?

you can't call that a normal "I caught scum suddenly" scenario. so nothing of all that pings you at all?

[dunya]

I was thinking it'd be pretty cool if we lynched novaselinever today though, actually.

why?

[dunya]

Marmot is the Helot. He may not be lynched. He may not be killed. He may not vote.

Ffs

Marmot called out dunya for appearing to have a frustrated response to his stumping. What about this one?

I was driving when this happened and checked at a stoplight, I was pissed bc I was uncertain whether I would be able to be around for the final few mins in case a huge CFD happened or revelation

I told you not to mafia and drive!

how about those three scum reads?

Haha I would just check at stoplights and such
I feel like those three have contributed such to a point that there almost has to be a scum in there. I'm not scum, marmot isn't scum, I'm pretty sure you aren't scum, so that leaves us with Kyle and them. I think Kyle is just being a goofball but I'm not adverse to lynching him if I cannot gain traction on nova or one of those three.

there's also Spacedaisy you seem to have forgotten.

[dunya]

[VOTE: Novaselinealr] aubergine

so...you wanted to lynch one of me, TH or JOH cos you're sure there's a scum in between us. but you're also not adverse to lynching Kyle. But instead you vote to lynch nova, who Kyle wants to lynch and has voted for.

yea...got it.

as soon as I'm caught up with the thread I'm finishing your ISO. sloppy doesn't begin to describe this.

[dunya]

Oh and happy Mother's Day to all the mothers in your lives, as well as girlfriends, wives, and those without kids (I get it's a bit late for the Euros and Aussies but

happy mother's day americans and the rest of the world who celebrated it yesterday! I didn't, but my mom got a happy mother's day text from my ex which gave her goosebumps and she immediately called me up to ask me if I'd gotten back with him

[Turnip Head]

LFG 2 lynch JoH, need tank and deeps

You wanna find mafia with me instead?

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Novaselinealr] aubergine

so...you wanted to lynch one of me, TH or JOH cos you're sure there's a scum in between us. but you're also not adverse to lynching Kyle. But instead you vote to lynch nova, who Kyle wants to lynch and has voted for.

yea...got it.

as soon as I'm caught up with the thread I'm finishing your ISO. sloppy doesn't begin to describe this.

I have no idea what to do with Wolbre for this exact reason (though I went to bed with a bet placed on him and Kyle).

The out loud “If I don’t vote for Speed, I’ll look bad” thing causes the same problem.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[mention]dunya[/mention]

What do you think of TH saying I was obviously bussing Speed before he flipped?

I’d ask Kyle but he’s probably bad.

[dunya]

Marmot is the Helot. He may not be lynched. He may not be killed. He may not vote.

Ffs

Marmot called out dunya for appearing to have a frustrated response to his stumping. What about this one?

Way more frustrated. I didn’t read Dunya’s post as frustrated at all. I’m not sure how that changes Wolbre’s alignment.

Like if he’s bad and he missed a mislynch, he’s not gonna do that. Maybe a fake overreaction to yet again not lynching a baddie?

because my post wasn't frustrated at all. if I was Marmot, I would choose the same moment to activate stump as he did. I'm getting mislynched, there's 10 mins left, do it. it really was "good fucking move" in a positive way, maybe the curse word and lack of emoticons made the tone get lost

as for wolbre, if he's scum, I don't see what Marmot doing would garner than much anger anyway? it's practically a mislynch only Marmot gets to have a continued voice in the thread. I mean, the scum team could have a had a worse result. and he didn't know Quin was on his team so the anger seems...out of place, for townie or scum.

[dunya]

@dunya

What do you think of TH saying I was obviously bussing Speed before he flipped?

I’d ask Kyle but he’s probably bad.

I think TH's bussing-meter is off if he thinks me and you are bussing each other and that's all I know.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@dunya

What do you think of TH saying I was obviously bussing Speed before he flipped?

I’d ask Kyle but he’s probably bad.

I think TH's bussing-meter is off if he thinks me and you are bussing each other and that's all I know.

Fair x2

What do you think of my exchanges with Kyle last night?

[dunya]

mafia tend to drop off in activity during late game when their teams have been half killed, especially when their dead team members were the mouthpieces of the group.

that's what happened to me in GoC

are you throwing shade at nova and daisy here or just nova?

cos everyone else in the thread is pretty damn active.

[dunya]

What do you think of my exchanges with Kyle last night?

I haven't finished catching up.

[Turnip Head]

@dunya

What do you think of TH saying I was obviously bussing Speed before he flipped?

I’d ask Kyle but he’s probably bad.

I think TH's bussing-meter is off if he thinks me and you are bussing each other and that's all I know.

I think we are now misusing the word bussing What Jack did to speed... allegedly... is different than what you and Jack are doing currently. Jack was kinda straightforward with how he attacked Speed and that's how I caught got a headache so fast.

[dunya]

Jack's game changed completely once Day 5 started. It's impossible for me to unsee it.

he was part of the IDGaF team before day 5 (before catching some heat). so TH, the question is: does change = bad?

[dunya]

@dunya

What do you think of TH saying I was obviously bussing Speed before he flipped?

I’d ask Kyle but he’s probably bad.

I think TH's bussing-meter is off if he thinks me and you are bussing each other and that's all I know.

I think we are now misusing the word bussing What Jack did to speed... allegedly... is different than what you and Jack are doing currently. Jack was kinda straightforward with how he attacked Speed and that's how I caught got a headache so fast.

so what are dunya and Jack doing atm?

[dunya]

Jack's game changed completely once Day 5 started. It's impossible for me to unsee it.

There are like 5 living roles that explain it

what

what role states you should goof off till day 5?

[Turnip Head]

@dunya

What do you think of TH saying I was obviously bussing Speed before he flipped?

I’d ask Kyle but he’s probably bad.

I think TH's bussing-meter is off if he thinks me and you are bussing each other and that's all I know.

I think we are now misusing the word bussing What Jack did to speed... allegedly... is different than what you and Jack are doing currently. Jack was kinda straightforward with how he attacked Speed and that's how I caught got a headache so fast.

so what are dunya and Jack doing atm?

[Turnip Head]

Jack's game changed completely once Day 5 started. It's impossible for me to unsee it.

he was part of the IDGaF team before day 5 (before catching some heat). so TH, the question is: does change = bad?

The question is did Jack have a bad change or a good one

[dunya]

Jack's game changed completely once Day 5 started. It's impossible for me to unsee it.

There are like 5 living roles that explain it plus the possibility that I just decided to get off my ass after 4 days.

Why are you stuck on this?

Why don’t you trust CBob when he says I would never bus a teammate?

Cbob's dead and also idk who Cbob is

he's one of the best mafia players i've gotten to play with in recent memory. colonialbob. you know, the guy who was killed a night ago?

I trust cbob when he says it's not in Jack's usual meta to lynch a teammmate, but I also know speedchuck and know for sure he would advocate his bus. just cos something isn't someone's usual play doesn't mean someone will literally never do it no matter what the situation calls upon.

that's what i mean with "why u acting like we calling the sky a shade of hot pink".

it's a logical possibility and dismissing it like we have no business thinking it at all....wait a minute. is this like when Mac accused me of bussing teammates like it was part of my meta and I got angry cos I was misrepresented cos I've done that literally twice ever--and once cos the whole team thought it would be funny to do it to each other in FE?

[dunya]

Jack's game changed completely once Day 5 started. It's impossible for me to unsee it.

he was part of the IDGaF team before day 5 (before catching some heat). so TH, the question is: does change = bad?

The question is did Jack have a bad change or a good one

you're clearly interpreting his change as a bad thing and I want to know why. you're using change as a scum tell and that's not at all what pinged me in Jack so walk me through it.

[dunya]

@dunya

What do you think of TH saying I was obviously bussing Speed before he flipped?

I’d ask Kyle but he’s probably bad.

I think TH's bussing-meter is off if he thinks me and you are bussing each other and that's all I know.

I think we are now misusing the word bussing What Jack did to speed... allegedly... is different than what you and Jack are doing currently. Jack was kinda straightforward with how he attacked Speed and that's how I caught got a headache so fast.

so what are dunya and Jack doing atm?

yea, your buddying-meter is off then. I suspect Jack. he's had me in his suspects for most of the game (look at how offended I've been post day 5). how am I buddying him?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack's game changed completely once Day 5 started. It's impossible for me to unsee it.

There are like 5 living roles that explain it

what

what role states you should goof off till day 5?

Ummm. It was tactical goofing off?

[colonialbob]

Jack's game changed completely once Day 5 started. It's impossible for me to unsee it.

There are like 5 living roles that explain it plus the possibility that I just decided to get off my ass after 4 days.

Why are you stuck on this?

Why don’t you trust CBob when he says I would never bus a teammate?

Cbob's dead and also idk who Cbob is

he's one of the best mafia players i've gotten to play with in recent memory. colonialbob.

*somewhere in Hades, a shade blushes*

[Turnip Head]

Jack's game changed completely once Day 5 started. It's impossible for me to unsee it.

he was part of the IDGaF team before day 5 (before catching some heat). so TH, the question is: does change = bad?

The question is did Jack have a bad change or a good one

you're clearly interpreting his change as a bad thing and I want to know why. you're using change as a scum tell and that's not at all what pinged me in Jack so walk me through it.

I'm not using "change" as a scum tell. I'm saying he tipped his hand when he changed. And his hand just happens to be... allegedly... Persian.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack's game changed completely once Day 5 started. It's impossible for me to unsee it.

he was part of the IDGaF team before day 5 (before catching some heat). so TH, the question is: does change = bad?

The question is did Jack have a bad change or a good one

you're clearly interpreting his change as a bad thing and I want to know why. you're using change as a scum tell and that's not at all what pinged me in Jack so walk me through it.

I'm not using "change" as a scum tell. I'm saying he tipped his hand when he changed. And his hand just happens to be... allegedly... Persian.

I’m so glad I’ve argued this down to “allegedly.”

[dunya]

Show me.

i'm not gonna quote all those posts for you, read your own iso if you've forgotten, jack. you went after speedchuck from the very beginning, for arbitrary reasons. then suddenly at the dawn of the 4th day phase you say 'i've been after speed for a while now, but suddenly i'm very serious about it'. tell me with a straight face if you saw someone else do that you wouldn't suspect there was something going on below the surface.

You thought I had info on Speedchuck. What changed?

speed was lynched and flipped as the role that fucks the town over when it's lynched, and then people started talking as if it was lylo, i don't think "speed and jack might have planned this together" is a crazy theory given the provided evidence and the fact that speedchuck has been known for pulling stuff like that

]Wouldn’t baddie Kyle bus Speed if he thought Speed had been caught red handed via info?

if recent history means anything, baddie kyle would have started bussing speedchuck way before that.

1) Pitiful response. I didn’t ask you to show me how I treated Speed. I said show me the forethought and preparation you claim I showed, which made it seem to you (in hindsight, suddenly) that I might be bad. Now you’re saying I showed no preparation or forethought, massively changing my approach out of the blue in an obvious way.
2) 33% chance a lynched baddie would be that baddie. If you don’t buy from Bob that I don’t bus teammates or that there’s a very high probability of catching a scummer that just had that power, I’m wondering why the thought didn’t occur to you at the time. You were totally on board with the Speedchuck lynch while Scotty and TH said I was bussing Speed but that wasn’t enough to lynch me. Now that TH, Dunya and Wolbre make up a much higher percentage of the players willing to maybe vote me out, you suddenly have doubts. That’s kinda suspicious, Kyle.
3) Way before what? You were the second vote, right? You bussed right when it seemed someone had info on Speed and he was screwed.

number three got me excited, I won't lie. I don't remember having Kyle down as someone who could have been the gradual busser of speed. I had Scotty or JOH down cos they were most vocal I guess.

I should look over Kyle's iso after I finish catch-up and wolbre to see Kyle/Colin/speed team likelihood.

[Kylemii]

llllllet's see what happens if I [VOTE: novasalinever] aubergine

Voting 48 hours earlier than normal, aren’t you?

yeah it appears so

wow, you've literally never done this before. more obv meta change to fit your new persona huh?

I've voted early before but only when I've felt confident about stuff

[Turnip Head]

@dunya

What do you think of TH saying I was obviously bussing Speed before he flipped?

I’d ask Kyle but he’s probably bad.

I think TH's bussing-meter is off if he thinks me and you are bussing each other and that's all I know.

I think we are now misusing the word bussing What Jack did to speed... allegedly... is different than what you and Jack are doing currently. Jack was kinda straightforward with how he attacked Speed and that's how I caught got a headache so fast.

so what are dunya and Jack doing atm?

yea, your buddying-meter is off then. I suspect Jack. he's had me in his suspects for most of the game (look at how offended I've been post day 5). how am I buddying him?

Maybe this one will work better for you?

[dunya]

1/ the early treatment of speed *is* the forethought. i shouldn't have to explain this to you, jack. you make a post or two every few phases saying "hey guys what if speedchuck's bad " and then days later lynch him. no one suspects you because why would jack do that? such an audacious plan? would give you enough meta safety to survive the couple phases remaining between the event and lylo. part of my reason for faltering in this belief is in fact the realization that we're apparently not as close to lylo as speedchuck threatened

2. who cares what bob says, his statement didn't account for speedchuck's personality. if speedchuck offers to you a plan in btsc on day one and says "hey lynch me when we're nearing lylo but start accusing me now, so it's not obvious no" what are you going to say "ew no, sorry chuck that's not my kind of thing. i only like to do straightforward and easy plans, and i never bus my teammates." i've had doubts constantly, i don't care that you find it suspicious, being anxious thorough is in my nature.

3. days earlier. i started bussing boomslang basically the moment i got my rolecard. no one ever actually noticed it cus boomslang conceded and it was never necessary to delve into my posts.

I like #1 and #2. number #3 is kinda meh when you read #2.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lol perfect, TH.

[Kylemii]

mafia tend to drop off in activity during late game when their teams have been half killed, especially when their dead team members were the mouthpieces of the group.

that's what happened to me in GoC

are you throwing shade at nova and daisy here or just nova?

cos everyone else in the thread is pretty damn active.

Nova yes but also daisy by extension, though daisies absense has been more consistent

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m all seriousness (and I know this isn’t convincing, I’m just making conversation), my mafia plans are one day affairs because you wouldn’t believe how often my busdriver gets killed out from under me on Day 2.

[dunya]

oh I got to the part where jack made kyle aggro angry. awkward af.

[Jackofhearts2005]

oh I got to the part where jack made kyle aggro angry. awkward af.

Like fake awkward or just awjward awkward?

[Turnip Head]

I’m all seriousness (and I know this isn’t convincing, I’m just making conversation), my mafia plans are one day affairs because you wouldn’t believe how often my busdriver gets killed out from under me on Day 2.

You DON'T look like a guy with a plan, (or rather you didn't), that's exactly what caught me off guard.