Ancient Greece Mafia [CONQUEST]

[dunya]

so yeah, i'm caught up.

thoughts: TH is either bad, or he has some kind of direct tunnel vision and he has it focused on jack. also, could be 3p with the way he's playing afraid of actually contributing to any close tie lynches and voting off point whenever there are 2 lynch options and only hopped on the two leading bandwagons of speed and colin which had no counterwagons. that kinda makes the most sense to me actually.

i need to finish the wolbre iso cos he's left me with the most wtfs so far. then I'll look into Kyle and concentrate on Colin/speed partnership cos I didn't realize he could be the speed busser.

[dunya]

oh I got to the part where jack made kyle aggro angry. awkward af.

Like fake awkward or just awjward awkward?

well, he said "jesus fuck" then "jesus christ" in succession. and he had to go drink water to calm down, so whatever his alignment, I think you genuinely made him a little angry.

[Kylemii]

dunya why are you confident that Nova is good?

[Turnip Head]

so yeah, i'm caught up.

thoughts: TH is either bad, or he has some kind of direct tunnel vision and he has it focused on jack. also, could be 3p with the way he's playing afraid of actually contributing to any close tie lynches and voting off point whenever there are 2 lynch options and only hopped on the two leading bandwagons of speed and colin which had no counterwagons. that kinda makes the most sense to me actually.

i need to finish the wolbre iso cos he's left me with the most wtfs so far. then I'll look into Kyle and concentrate on Colin/speed partnership cos I didn't realize he could be the speed busser.

TH could also just be providing keen insight and getting lucky or whatever

[Marmot]

Jack's game changed completely once Day 5 started. It's impossible for me to unsee it.

he was part of the IDGaF team before day 5 (before catching some heat). so TH, the question is: does change = bad?

The question is did Jack have a bad change or a good one

you're clearly interpreting his change as a bad thing and I want to know why. you're using change as a scum tell and that's not at all what pinged me in Jack so walk me through it.

I'm not using "change" as a scum tell. I'm saying he tipped his hand when he changed. And his hand just happens to be... allegedly... Persian.

That's what Jack wants you to think.

[Marmot]

It is strange to me when Sloonei and wolbre cast shade on each other.

[dunya]

dunya why are you confident that Nova is good?

I look at the Colin push. that wasn't distancing, that was serious push. also, despite disappearing, nova played a busy game by nova standards. I've been scum with nova before and he is definitely not a shit stirrer, or a busser. he pretty much avoided me and G-Man in Image mafia completely iirc. also I always put myself in other people's shoes. if I was on that scum team, would I do what nova did to Colin? no. speed would have had a seizure if he saw that happening, pretty sure. speed's role encourages a bussing at some point of the game--I don't think they actively set out to bus two people that early on. there's so much that doesn't add up.

if nova is scum in the end, I owe you all a huge apology cos I know I've been pushing his innocence the most, but I'm pretty confident in him. the only thing I hate is how quiet he's gone.

[Marmot]

so yeah, i'm caught up.

thoughts: TH is either bad, or he has some kind of direct tunnel vision and he has it focused on jack. also, could be 3p with the way he's playing afraid of actually contributing to any close tie lynches and voting off point whenever there are 2 lynch options and only hopped on the two leading bandwagons of speed and colin which had no counterwagons. that kinda makes the most sense to me actually.

i need to finish the wolbre iso cos he's left me with the most wtfs so far. then I'll look into Kyle and concentrate on Colin/speed partnership cos I didn't realize he could be the speed busser.

A player tunneling on the most townie player in the game? That's a civtell to me, especially in this scenario of almost lylo.

[dunya]

nova has 105 posts. this is his most active game on this forum, and he's been mia more or less since May 5th. so imagine if he continued his involvement.

[dunya]

so yeah, i'm caught up.

thoughts: TH is either bad, or he has some kind of direct tunnel vision and he has it focused on jack. also, could be 3p with the way he's playing afraid of actually contributing to any close tie lynches and voting off point whenever there are 2 lynch options and only hopped on the two leading bandwagons of speed and colin which had no counterwagons. that kinda makes the most sense to me actually.

i need to finish the wolbre iso cos he's left me with the most wtfs so far. then I'll look into Kyle and concentrate on Colin/speed partnership cos I didn't realize he could be the speed busser.

A player tunneling on the most townie player in the game? That's a civtell to me, especially in this scenario of almost lylo.

you think Jack is the most townie player in the game?

[Marmot]

Yes, yes I do.

[Marmot]

I'd like to hear more from both [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] and [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention]. Where you both at?

[dunya]

Yes, yes I do.

and you think TH is the second towniest?

[Turnip Head]

Yes, yes I do.

It's like Harry Potter Mafia but Jack is me, I'm you, and you're Epignosis

[Marmot]

Yes, yes I do.

and you think TH is the second towniest?

I suppose so.

[Marmot]

Yes, yes I do.

It's like Harry Potter Mafia but Jack is me, I'm you, and you're Epignosis

I was a confirmed, unkillable civilian in that game too.

[dunya]

Yes, yes I do.

and you think TH is the second towniest?

I suppose so.

and you think I'm bad?

[Marmot]

Oh bam! Front page says Quin was loyal to Persia.

We didn’t need him dead but it’s somewhat of a plus, especially if he counts for majority.

Spoiler: show

[Kylemii]

[mention]dunya[/mention] I don't agree about Nova RE: Colin. He talks negatively about Colin sure but he never pushes his lynch. He was never a primary advocate of Colin's lynch and at some points even at some points resisting it, though by the means of criticizing Colin's voters and the Colin wagon.

[Marmot]

Alright, I'll entertain the notion Jack is mafia, here's why.

Well, that mostly sucks but on the plus side, we’ve lowered our POE by 2 and I think there are some strong town voices and confirmed Marmot to get us the win going forward. And who knows? Maybe only one 3P could join each faction and Quin was bad anyway.

Jack made this post after Quin's flip. Had Jack bothered reading Quin's death post, he'd have known that Quin was sided with Persia (Jay wrote it up that way).

But Jack didn't realize it immediately upon Quin's death, but did after checking the front page.

Oh bam! Front page says Quin was loyal to Persia.

We didn’t need him dead but it’s somewhat of a plus, especially if he counts for majority.

This looks like a fake reaction. First one says "Oh hey, I hope Quin was bad" before he checked the front page to verify. Well, if Jack was mafia, he would have known that Quin was sided with him right? He wouldn't have needed to read Quin's deathpost for that information.



Turnip Head, have I sufficiently entered the tunnel yet?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yes, yes I do.

I’m sorry for my part in almost getting you lynched.

[Kylemii]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] thoughts on Nova?

[Marmot]

Yes, yes I do.

I’m sorry for my part in almost getting you lynched.

Keep reading, I may have changed my mind.

[dunya]

how would baddie jack know Quin was persian-aligned?

[Marmot]

how would baddie jack know Quin was persian-aligned?

Good question, I was operating under the assumption that the baddies do.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’ve isoed Nova’s Colin comments awhile back and I agree with Dunya. (Why did I go back on Nova? I reached this conclusion as part of why I went after Scotty.)

I’m going to read them in context to see if I agree with Kyle that it wasn’t a push. Cause iirc, it was a pretty substantial portion of Nova’s iso and I don’t remember him seriously pushing any other suspects.

Nova is low hanging fruit for a mislynch so (and I get that this should apply to me) going after Nova today should be seen with suspicion, hence
a portion of my turn on my Kyle read.

[dunya]

@dunya I don't agree about Nova RE: Colin. He talks negatively about Colin sure but he never pushes his lynch. He was never a primary advocate of Colin's lynch and at some points even at some points resisting it, though by the means of criticizing Colin's voters and the Colin wagon.

I guess we interpret things differently. I don't see a motive for what he did on Night 1 before Day 2, even if it was negative talk like you're saying. I think it was more than shade and distancing, hence why I further rule out the possibility of that. finally, I take into consideration speedchuck would have been involved in BTSC and his one-day bussing must have been brought up. if nova was going to distance from anyone on N1, he would have picked speed imo, not the scum member with the most useful night powers.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yes, yes I do.

I’m sorry for my part in almost getting you lynched.

Keep reading, I may have changed my mind.

I’m sorry no matter how you read me.

[Marmot]

dunya, can you refresh my memory, who are your top suspects today?

[Jackofhearts2005]

But seriously, [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention], ISOs and player lists before the role list next time plz.

[Marmot]

But seriously, @JaggedJimmyJay, ISOs and player lists before the role list next time plz.

I think I'm just going to put them all in spoiler tags from now on. Less clutter in the OP, and you can just click to view what you want.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Read Golden's case against me on the last page, and his posts that followed the lynch, and ask yourself, "Does this [the case against Colin] make any sense?"

I'm interested in hearing your answers.

It does make some sense. You voting off-wagon while 3 people are almost tied for the lynch and 1 vote can change everything is suspicious to say the least. It's the bad kind of suspicious.

It doesn't matter how weak the cases against Sig, Epi and me are, I don't believe that after all that happened today you didn't have any read on us three. In the case, you read both 3 of us as Town, you could have voted for your weakest Town read to try to save the two others that you read strongly as Town. You didn't even attempt that and just took the easy way out.

So yeah, you voting off wagon in such a crucial time is bad and Golden's case has merits. This is something a player with inside information (scum) would do since they would know who would flip Town and thus not participate so late in a mislynch to avoid scrutinization.

This seems pretty serious.

[dunya]

[quote=Jackofhearts2005 post_id=443682 time=1526312543 user_id=541]
But seriously, @JaggedJimmyJay, ISOs and player lists before the role list next time plz.[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] he's linked to it at the top of his first post. useful to click.

[wolbre04]

Oh and happy Mother's Day to all the mothers in your lives, as well as girlfriends, wives, and those without kids (I get it's a bit late for the Euros and Aussies but

happy mother's day americans and the rest of the world who celebrated it yesterday! I didn't, but my mom got a happy mother's day text from my ex which gave her goosebumps and she immediately called me up to ask me if I'd gotten back with him

yikes at the creepy ex

[Kylemii]

@dunya I don't agree about Nova RE: Colin. He talks negatively about Colin sure but he never pushes his lynch. He was never a primary advocate of Colin's lynch and at some points even at some points resisting it, though by the means of criticizing Colin's voters and the Colin wagon.

I guess we interpret things differently. I don't see a motive for what he did on Night 1 before Day 2, even if it was negative talk like you're saying. I think it was more than shade and distancing, hence why I further rule out the possibility of that. finally, I take into consideration speedchuck would have been involved in BTSC and his one-day bussing must have been brought up. if nova was going to distance from anyone on N1, he would have picked speed imo, not the scum member with the most useful night powers.

can you maybe show me what you're talking about as far as "what he did on night 1 before day 2"

[Kylemii]

I’ve isoed Nova’s Colin comments awhile back and I agree with Dunya. (Why did I go back on Nova? I reached this conclusion as part of why I went after Scotty.)

I’m going to read them in context to see if I agree with Kyle that it wasn’t a push. Cause iirc, it was a pretty substantial portion of Nova’s iso and I don’t remember him seriously pushing any other suspects.

Nova is low hanging fruit for a mislynch so (and I get that this should apply to me) going after Nova today should be seen with suspicion, hence
a portion of my turn on my Kyle read.

I think that's a little naive but I see where you're coming from I guess

[dunya]

dunya, can you refresh my memory, who are your top suspects today?

wolbre, kyle, JOH, in that order. honestly, my mind is changing every hour. sometimes I get question marks about TH, sometimes I tinfoil on Spacedaisy again, sometimes I think Kyle is being genuine, sometimes I think Sloonei is being ungenuine.

right now I have no idea why I am most confident in my nova read, but maybe cos he's not posting after I made a conclusive read on him.

[Jackofhearts2005]

But seriously, JaggedJimmyJay, ISOs and player lists before the role list next time plz.JaggedJimmyJay he's linked to it at the top of his first post. useful to click.

I knew that of course. I was just testing you.

[wolbre04]

dunya, can you refresh my memory, who are your top suspects today?

wolbre, kyle, JOH, in that order. honestly, my mind is changing every hour. sometimes I get question marks about TH, sometimes I tinfoil on Spacedaisy again, sometimes I think Kyle is being genuine, sometimes I think Sloonei is being ungenuine.

right now I have no idea why I am most confident in my nova read, but maybe cos he's not posting after I made a conclusive read on him.

Mess at me getting mislynched

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don’t intend to revisit it today but Mac makes an early case on Sloonei I forgot to really look into.

[Marmot]

I don’t intend to revisit it today but Mac makes an early case on Sloonei I forgot to really look into.

That was probably before wolbre indy-slipped and brougth Sloonei into the discussion.

So I don't know how relevant such a case would be.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

But seriously, JaggedJimmyJay, ISOs and player lists before the role list next time plz.

There has been a direct link at the top of the first post all game long.

[Turnip Head]

Is this game rigged?

[Turnip Head]

Is this game rigged?

[Kylemii]

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] you haven't really weighed in on jack and dunyas push against me, but I would like you to.

[Turnip Head]

@Turnip Head you haven't really weighed in on jack and dunyas push against me, but I would like you to.

I didn't want to interrupt you or overextend myself, I'm sure you've noticed my own encounters with them

Anyways I think it's obvious at this point what they're up to, and it seems like you and I are the only ones who see it, so I don't know what else to do about it.

[Kylemii]

Turnip Head you haven't really weighed in on jack and dunyas push against me, but I would like you to.

I didn't want to interrupt you or overextend myself, I'm sure you've noticed my own encounters with them

Anyways I think it's obvious at this point what they're up to, and it seems like you and I are the only ones who see it, so I don't know what else to do about it.

I'm not convinced dunya and Jack are a team together but if they are we're actually fucked

[Kylemii]

if that's actually what's happening here then i reserve the right to vote for either of them in the future in any game forever, in any context no questions asked.

[dunya]

@dunya I don't agree about Nova RE: Colin. He talks negatively about Colin sure but he never pushes his lynch. He was never a primary advocate of Colin's lynch and at some points even at some points resisting it, though by the means of criticizing Colin's voters and the Colin wagon.

I guess we interpret things differently. I don't see a motive for what he did on Night 1 before Day 2, even if it was negative talk like you're saying. I think it was more than shade and distancing, hence why I further rule out the possibility of that. finally, I take into consideration speedchuck would have been involved in BTSC and his one-day bussing must have been brought up. if nova was going to distance from anyone on N1, he would have picked speed imo, not the scum member with the most useful night powers.

can you maybe show me what you're talking about as far as "what he did on night 1 before day 2"

Spoiler: show

Read Golden's case against me on the last page, and his posts that followed the lynch, and ask yourself, "Does this [the case against Colin] make any sense?"

I'm interested in hearing your answers.

It does make some sense. You voting off-wagon while 3 people are almost tied for the lynch and 1 vote can change everything is suspicious to say the least. It's the bad kind of suspicious.

It doesn't matter how weak the cases against Sig, Epi and me are, I don't believe that after all that happened today you didn't have any read on us three. In the case, you read both 3 of us as Town, you could have voted for your weakest Town read to try to save the two others that you read strongly as Town. You didn't even attempt that and just took the easy way out.

So yeah, you voting off wagon in such a crucial time is bad and Golden's case has merits. This is something a player with inside information (scum) would do since they would know who would flip Town and thus not participate so late in a mislynch to avoid scrutinization.

Read Golden's case against me on the last page, and his posts that followed the lynch, and ask yourself, "Does this [the case against Colin] make any sense?"

I'm interested in hearing your answers.

It does make some sense. You voting off-wagon while 3 people are almost tied for the lynch and 1 vote can change everything is suspicious to say the least. It's the bad kind of suspicious.

It doesn't matter how weak the cases against Sig, Epi and me are, I don't believe that after all that happened today you didn't have any read on us three. In the case, you read both 3 of us as Town, you could have voted for your weakest Town read to try to save the two others that you read strongly as Town. You didn't even attempt that and just took the easy way out.

So yeah, you voting off wagon in such a crucial time is bad and Golden's case has merits. This is something a player with inside information (scum) would do since they would know who would flip Town and thus not participate so late in a mislynch to avoid scrutinization.

So I avoided scrutinization by doing something that is more likely to get scrutinized? Not following here. Isn't it scummier to just jump on an easy wagon and parrot some BS reason that somebody else said than to actually try and hold someone different up to a light?

It's not more likely to get scrutinized since the consequences are less important. You weren't trying to hold someone different up to a light since at the time of your vote that lynch wasn't going anywhere. You completely avoided participating in who gets lynched even though you had a choice between 3 people. Or did you read the 3 of us as Town ?

Also, what is your post trying to do here ? Are you using hypotheticals of what is scummier to defend yourself ?

And again, to be clear: Colin wasn't an option because your objective was to break the tie?

My objective is always to vote somewhere it can make a difference. I don't think there is ever any value in town voting off wagon, no matter how much you might think every wagon is civ. I don't care about breaking the tie - I'd have voted my biggest suspect of the three even if it created a tie.

I think there is a difference in game philosophy coming to light here. Voting off wagon has its benefits and I don't want to spell all of them out necessarily, but one is to apply pressure. I felt that lunalee's conduct was the most suspicious of anyone I'd ISO'd that day and certainly more suspicious than the others. And I would rather put pressure on someone who I think may be scum than kill someone who I don't see a case for. Sorry if you think that's bad play, but that's how it is and how it's gonna be.

How do you apply pressure with 8 minutes left before the deadline on someone with 1 vote ?

It's not more likely to get scrutinized since the consequences are less important. You weren't trying to hold someone different up to a light since at the time of your vote that lynch wasn't going anywhere. You completely avoided participating in who gets lynched even though you had a choice between 3 people. Or did you read the 3 of us as Town ?

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. By "hold someone different up to a light," I mean precisely that I was calling attention to scummy behavior in lunalee. As far as my reads on you go, refer to the controversial vote-post in question. The case for you was a fiction, the case for sig was fluff and the case for Epi was probably worse than those two.

Why are you fixated with the cases against us ? It's not an excuse. It doesn't matter how weak they were, what matters are your reads.

Didn't you have any read on any of us ? Didn't you wish to save the two you had the best feelings about ?

i've played a few games with nova, the only time I've seen him go after someone this much was when he was civ. there were others he could have latched onto, Epignosis, me, Lunalee, Golden...even Marmot with a lone vote from SD. we were all voted against on Day 1. I'm town, and 3 of those flipped town already.

I have to see a clear motive for him to have picked Colin other than him being convinced something shady happened with Colin.

I also found the post where he voted Colin on N1 to be genuine. despite his assertions on Day 1, he grew wary of how fast the bandwagon grew on Colin on Day 2.

Finally caught up. I'm still good with the Colin's lynch. He hasn't done anything to really defend himself and all of his posts are bad, real bad. In my interaction with him, I didn't like his explanation to the Luna vote and I'll be looking at her when he flips scum.

Something I find interesting is how this wagon grew exponentially in the last few hours. I know he didn't defend himself but I still feel uneasy with all the votes he's getting when it was a tied lynch earlier.

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

yeah, I still feel good about nova.

[dunya]

if that's actually what's happening here then i reserve the right to vote for either of them in the future in any game forever, in any context no questions asked.

permission granted.