[ENDGAME] The Shawshank Redemption Mafia

[Bullzeye]

Looks like I'm gonna have to *vote MR* as I don't have any other real pings and I doubt anything else will come up in 45 minutes. If it does apparently we can change our votes, so that's cool.

[Mister Rearranger]

Looks like I'm gonna have to *vote MR* as I don't have any other real pings and I doubt anything else will come up in 45 minutes. If it does apparently we can change our votes, so that's cool.

I would recommend doing this soon, tbh.

[FZ.]

I'm going to go with Lizzie, I think. I don't like the voting for yourself, and other than that, she's (it's a she, right?) been very quiet. A little too quiet. I'd rather give people who are actually trying hard, whether they are baddies or not, the benefit of the doubt at this stage, so if nothing changes, I'm going to give her my vote.

[thellama73]

I'm going to go with Lizzie, I think. I don't like the voting for yourself, and other than that, she's (it's a she, right?) been very quiet. A little too quiet. I'd rather give people who are actually trying hard, whether they are baddies or not, the benefit of the doubt at this stage, so if nothing changes, I'm going to give her my vote.

I think I'm going to like you a lot, FZ.

[FZ.]

I'm going to go with Lizzie, I think. I don't like the voting for yourself, and other than that, she's (it's a she, right?) been very quiet. A little too quiet. I'd rather give people who are actually trying hard, whether they are baddies or not, the benefit of the doubt at this stage, so if nothing changes, I'm going to give her my vote.

I think I'm going to like you a lot, FZ.

Lol, thank you...I think

[S~V~S]

Neither llama nor MR seem all that bad to me, so I am going to also vote Lizzy. Not a self voting fan.

[johns2jj]

johns2jj haven't come up with a good way to abbreviate that yet!

JJ works but I am starting to like john jacob jingleheimer thing as it uses my real initials.

[FZ.]

Neither llama nor MR seem all that bad to me, so I am going to also vote Lizzy. Not a self voting fan.

Interesting. This means that llama and MR have a chance to save themselves. I wonder how this will go down *brings the popcorn*

[boo]

Neither llama nor MR seem all that bad to me, so I am going to also vote Lizzy. Not a self voting fan.

I don't want to pile on, but I was considering the same thing after looking at her after FZ brought her up. 6 posts, 0 relevant discussion (the closest she got was d0, and almost discussing the prize... but only got to saying she would like a pack of smokes if it really were the prize).

I'm not going to argue about self-voting, people can do what they want. I'm not a fan, but I like voting non-players, so we can go around and around in "your strategy is wrong" land and never get anywhere useful with it.

Still some time. I'm still thinking maybe mr thomas, since he did a flyby. I think he's also new, but I could just as easily see that being a BTSC strategy given to him (voting for a player who at the time of the vote had the potential to be an easy d1 lynch, without discussing it all, or anything beforehand, is WIFOM of enough that I have just a hard a time seeing a new player do it on their own as being told it would be low risk way of getting by).

I kind of get the MR votes, but I had the same gut feeling as he did on rey (that being: where is he. I don't trust quiet rey, and while he has posted, I don't remember anything substantial from him), so I think I'll leave that one for this vote.

I think it'll be lizzy or mr thomas for me then. I don't like throw-aways, but tossing more on, on d1, isn't really appealing either.

[johns2jj]

In fact, @Epig: We can indeed discuss (any, assuming there are any) results from the Day 0 poll, correct?

The Day 0 poll results (assuming there are any) may be discussed.

So if you look at the poll info and only me and MP voted "correctly" but MP states he did not receive cigarets does that not point to him being someone who can not receive contraband therefore a baddie.

[Mister Rearranger]

Neither llama nor MR seem all that bad to me, so I am going to also vote Lizzy. Not a self voting fan.

Interesting. This means that llama and MR have a chance to save themselves. I wonder how this will go down *brings the popcorn*

Llama doesn't need a save anymore.

[A Person]

So vomps self voting without saying anything at all is ok?

[thellama73]

Neither llama nor MR seem all that bad to me, so I am going to also vote Lizzy. Not a self voting fan.

Interesting. This means that llama and MR have a chance to save themselves. I wonder how this will go down *brings the popcorn*

Llama doesn't need a save anymore.

I need all the save I can get.

[boo]

In fact, @Epig: We can indeed discuss (any, assuming there are any) results from the Day 0 poll, correct?

The Day 0 poll results (assuming there are any) may be discussed.

So if you look at the poll info and only me and MP voted "correctly" but MP states he did not receive cigarets does that not point to him being someone who can not receive contraband therefore a baddie.

Hmm. Assuming all of the voters for the winning option were supposed to get something, that could be possible. But I don't see him having accidentally outing himself like that... but if he weren't told that he was supposed to get something, because he can't have contraband, it may not even have occurred to him that it was a possibility.

But then, you could be setting him up if you're on the baddie team that can get contraband, knowing or assuming only you did get anything for the result, and having waited for him to say he got nothing to put him in this spot.

I don't like that this is coming at the end of a day period either. Makes it feel like it's save-y. Just not sure how to put that in with the rest of it.

[Mister Rearranger]

7 people: You still have 10 minutes or so to vote.

[FZ.]

So vomps self voting without saying anything at all is ok?

What can I say, I'll vote for him next day I was just going through the poll and she caught my eye. Is he a vet or a new player?

[Mister Rearranger]

Ebwop: minus boo, who is right here in the thread I see.

[S~V~S]

So vomps self voting without saying anything at all is ok?

No, but I also do not particularly think MR or llama look all that bad, so Lizzy had votes, and a move like that is less odd from Vomps than from her, IMO.

[Epignosis]

Ten minutes to vote. The Host post will not come until after I arrive home and get settled in.

[thellama73]

Vomps also does it every single game, whereas Lizzy does not necessarily.

[FZ.]

In fact, @Epig: We can indeed discuss (any, assuming there are any) results from the Day 0 poll, correct?

The Day 0 poll results (assuming there are any) may be discussed.

So if you look at the poll info and only me and MP voted "correctly" but MP states he did not receive cigarets does that not point to him being someone who can not receive contraband therefore a baddie.

Didn't you vote for llama?

[Bullzeye]

This just occurred to me:

Epi: If there's a tie in any lynch in this game, will that mean no lynch as per your usual hosting style?

[thellama73]

In fact, @Epig: We can indeed discuss (any, assuming there are any) results from the Day 0 poll, correct?

The Day 0 poll results (assuming there are any) may be discussed.

So if you look at the poll info and only me and MP voted "correctly" but MP states he did not receive cigarets does that not point to him being someone who can not receive contraband therefore a baddie.

Didn't you vote for llama?

Hey, yeah!

[boo]

Alright, this is my quick thought, and therefore my vote.

I'm putting MR and john on the contraband getting baddie team. john pointed it out to prevent MR from taking further votes, putting them on either MP, john himself if people picked up on it, and they put it out late so john wouldn't take a bunch if that's the way things went, but could take 1 or 2 that might have went MRs way.

The division between MR taking my line on llama, and john voting for llama would be a somewhat decent d1 voting strategy.

I'm hardly convincing myself, but it's the closest to something that I can see at the moment.

voting MR

[Mister Rearranger]

So vomps self voting without saying anything at all is ok?

No, but I also do not particularly think MR or llama look all that bad, so Lizzy had votes, and a move like that is less odd from Vomps than from her, IMO.

The only other game I've played here was the last speed one, which I subbed into.

Other than Lizzy's votes for me, she and Vomp self-voted for most of that game. Linki: hmmmm, ok then. :/

[Mister Rearranger]

Boo, I did not receive contraband. But if this kills me, you will receive some hearty egg for use on your face.

[thellama73]

Boo, I did not receive contraband. But if this kills me, you will receive some hearty egg for use on your face.

Would you like me to switch my vote to try to save you?

[boo]

Boo, I did not receive contraband. But if this kills me, you will receive some hearty egg for use on your face.

That isn't what I'm saying could be the case.

[thellama73]

Boo, I did not receive contraband. But if this kills me, you will receive some hearty egg for use on your face.

Would you like me to switch my vote to try to save you?

And will you give me your contraband if I do?

[FZ.]

Alright, this is my quick thought, and therefore my vote.

I'm putting MR and john on the contraband getting baddie team. john pointed it out to prevent MR from taking further votes, putting them on either MP, john himself if people picked up on it, and they put it out late so john wouldn't take a bunch if that's the way things went, but could take 1 or 2 that might have went MRs way.

The division between MR taking my line on llama, and john voting for llama would be a somewhat decent d1 voting strategy.

I'm hardly convincing myself, but it's the closest to something that I can see at the moment.

voting MR

Or, he Johns could be doing it to save Lizzie

[Mister Rearranger]

Boo: I am not on a team woth J. Jonah Jameson the 2nd either.

@Llama: I can do it, thanks for the offer though.

Change to Lizzy

[thellama73]

@Llama: I can do it, thanks for the offer though.

I wasn't going to. I just wanted to see what you would say.

[boo]

Alright, this is my quick thought, and therefore my vote.

I'm putting MR and john on the contraband getting baddie team. john pointed it out to prevent MR from taking further votes, putting them on either MP, john himself if people picked up on it, and they put it out late so john wouldn't take a bunch if that's the way things went, but could take 1 or 2 that might have went MRs way.

The division between MR taking my line on llama, and john voting for llama would be a somewhat decent d1 voting strategy.

I'm hardly convincing myself, but it's the closest to something that I can see at the moment.

voting MR

Or, he Johns could be doing it to save Lizzie

Yup. I just like the disconnect between MRs stance on llama and john voting for him more then I like john voting for llama and lizzy being off in la-la land.

[Mister Rearranger]

@Llama: I can do it, thanks for the offer though.

I wasn't going to. I just wanted to see what you would say.

I know.

[FZ.]

Alright, this is my quick thought, and therefore my vote.

I'm putting MR and john on the contraband getting baddie team. john pointed it out to prevent MR from taking further votes, putting them on either MP, john himself if people picked up on it, and they put it out late so john wouldn't take a bunch if that's the way things went, but could take 1 or 2 that might have went MRs way.

The division between MR taking my line on llama, and john voting for llama would be a somewhat decent d1 voting strategy.

I'm hardly convincing myself, but it's the closest to something that I can see at the moment.

voting MR

Or, he Johns could be doing it to save Lizzie

Yup. I just like the disconnect between MRs stance on llama and john voting for him more then I like john voting for llama and lizzy being off in la-la land.

I just didn't get why he said that and still kept his vote on llama and not changed it to MP. So maybe it came after the votes started going to Lizzie

[thellama73]

@Llama: I can do it, thanks for the offer though.

I wasn't going to. I just wanted to see what you would say.

I know.

What a delightful game of verbal cat and mouse we have.

[FZ.]

I just noticed that A person voted for Vompati. Didn't he have a switch votes with someone else? So after explaining to me why it makes sense to either make a deal to switch votes or to vote for yourself, he kind of follows the voting for a self voter strategy, yet votes for the person who has less votes.

Am I the only one who finds that weird?

[FZ.]

One other question:

On k-site, BWT was much more vocal. Did he say anything about being MIA?

[thellama73]

One other question:

On k-site, BWT was much more vocal. Did he say anything about being MIA?

BWT tends to be pretty absent in most games I have played with him. I'd say him being active is more of the exception than the rule.

[Mister Rearranger]

@Llama: I can do it, thanks for the offer though.

I wasn't going to. I just wanted to see what you would say.

I know.

What a delightful game of verbal cat and mouse we have.

Which one are you?

[thellama73]

Which one are you?

I'm the llama... obviously.

[FZ.]

Which one are you?

I'm the llama... obviously.

Is it true that we don't get the results of the lynch? Do we find out anything about dead people?

[boo]

Which one are you?

I'm the llama... obviously.

Is it true that we don't get the results of the lynch? Do we find out anything about dead people?

Roles of lynched players will be in the post, NKed players roles are not.

[FZ.]

Which one are you?

I'm the llama... obviously.

Is it true that we don't get the results of the lynch? Do we find out anything about dead people?

Roles of lynched players will be in the post, NKed players roles are not.

Oh, OK. Thanks

[Russtifinko]

Well, I missed the poll, after all. Sorry, everyone!

Alright, this is my quick thought, and therefore my vote.

I'm putting MR and john on the contraband getting baddie team. john pointed it out to prevent MR from taking further votes, putting them on either MP, john himself if people picked up on it, and they put it out late so john wouldn't take a bunch if that's the way things went, but could take 1 or 2 that might have went MRs way.

The division between MR taking my line on llama, and john voting for llama would be a somewhat decent d1 voting strategy.

I'm hardly convincing myself, but it's the closest to something that I can see at the moment.

voting MR

Or, he Johns could be doing it to save Lizzie

Yup. I just like the disconnect between MRs stance on llama and john voting for him more then I like john voting for llama and lizzy being off in la-la land.

I don't completely understand this theory, and I actually thought it was pretty astute of John Jacob Jingleheimer Thingy to say something like that in his first game. I will say I am loving boo's deep analyses in general, though.

One other question:

On k-site, BWT was much more vocal. Did he say anything about being MIA?

BWT tends to be pretty absent in most games I have played with him. I'd say him being active is more of the exception than the rule.

BWT VOCAL???? On here, I ALWAYS think try to get him lynched because he's basically absent, and he always says he'll od rereads and doesn't, which I tend to find suspicious.

Vomps also does it every single game, whereas Lizzy does not necessarily.

I think Lizzy self-votes almost as often as Vomps does.

For me, as I'm looking into Day 2, the boo-MR-MP-johns thing will be what I'm looking at most closely. It's by far the most well-developed line of thought this game, and while I haven't taken a side on it yet I'm interested to see what it yields.

[thellama73]

For me, as I'm looking into Day 2, the boo-MR-MP-johns thing will be what I'm looking at most closely. It's by far the most well-developed line of thought this game, and while I haven't taken a side on it yet I'm interested to see what it yields.

It definitely bears thought. I have a hard time believing MP would be so careless, and the timing of John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt's accusation was suspicious, as boo astutely pointed out.

[FZ.]

For me, as I'm looking into Day 2, the boo-MR-MP-johns thing will be what I'm looking at most closely. It's by far the most well-developed line of thought this game, and while I haven't taken a side on it yet I'm interested to see what it yields.

It definitely bears thought. I have a hard time believing MP would be so careless, and the timing of John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt's accusation was suspicious, as boo astutely pointed out.

I think the reason I doubt John's theory is because MP was trying to get people to talk about the results of that poll, which means he must have asked Epi about it (probably in a PM, so he knew he couldn't get it, if he's a baddie in the group that didn't get it, he'd know about it, and not try to discuss this so strongly. Not sure what to make of Johns though. If he did get something, this is definitely intriguing

[S~V~S]

Vomps also does it every single game, whereas Lizzy does not necessarily.

I think Lizzy self-votes almost as often as Vomps does.

For me, as I'm looking into Day 2, the boo-MR-MP-johns thing will be what I'm looking at most closely. It's by far the most well-developed line of thought this game, and while I haven't taken a side on it yet I'm interested to see what it yields.

My main experience of her is hosting her in AG, and she played a well developed, involved game there, and was active and involved. So I have not seen this Lizzy of whom you speak, lol, or don't recall if I have.

[FZ.]

@Epi, did you say that the votes in day 0 did not count as regular lynch votes in terms of the effects of the votes as written in the roles?

[Epignosis]

@Epi, did you say that the votes in day 0 did not count as regular lynch votes in terms of the effects of the votes as written in the roles?

The votes during the Prologue were not "Day" votes. The Prologue wasn't a "Day" period, as it were.

The posts are coming. I need a few more minutes.