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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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I will try to do some ISOs when I get home from work tomorrow, but I will also be popping in during work to see what's what.
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being mislynched is so frustrating tbh
Ima sleep, gn
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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wolbre04 wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 10:40 pm being mislynched is so frustrating tbh
Ima sleep, gn
I'm sorry !! It was nice playing with you :hug:
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Well, that was unfortunate.

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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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nutella wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 10:21 pm fresh artisanal wood-fired rainbow comin in hot (G hasn't even sent me my role yet lmao so these are ultra genuine)

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M Plus 7

Elohcin

These are super weak though all around I've changed my mind multiple times on most people while reading the thread. For example when I read most of day 1 I was 100% civ on MP, but he has some bad looks around how the Choutas lynch eventually went down. Can't really decide how I feel about Marmot either.

Now just to find out my alignment. :mafia:
I wouldn't treat a teammate so transparently terribly, but you know, WIFOM and my word and all of that, so I get it.
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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I'll be back to do some investigative work hopefully sometime tomorrow.
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Re: Easter Mafia [DAY 1]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 8:29 pm
Marmot wrote: Mon May 21, 2018 7:20 am Aw crap I got a mafia rolecard.
Haven't forgotten this.
That's why I posted it. :grin:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 8:36 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 8:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 8:29 pm
Marmot wrote: Mon May 21, 2018 7:20 am Aw crap I got a mafia rolecard.
Haven't forgotten this.
I have trouble interpreting heavy WIFOM statements like that. What do you think of it?
When Marmot does it, it shouldn't be discarded.
Why?
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 8:46 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 8:45 pm Is every vote in this game going to be a hot potato where new compelling arguments come to light with about an hour to go, lol
Sometimes it can be productive to let people think they're under the radar. :dark:
There are terrible repercussions though. In Ancient Greece, I took no pressure the whole game, then was hot potato'd on Day 6 (or 7) on a day when I even informed the thread I'd likely not be around. Luckily I was able to check in and activate my role to save myself. :meany:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 9:15 pm I don’t think that should even be allowed, so meh.
Hehehe. I'm glad it's allowed. :D
lapluie wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 9:40 pm
Quin wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 9:36 pm and you moved back once i called you out. again. why?
I couldn't choose OK
I bounced my vote around like this and was caught doing it. I'm pretty sure I was scum in that game.

As such, I suspect you for this.
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Re: Easter Mafia [DAY 2]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 9:41 pm Ban self-voting.
Have some fun fellow mafia game player.
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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Welp, I suddenly like Quin and wish I'd been around at the deadline.
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?

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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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Umm no..? that's how you play, not a scum like you ok? I was really torn between voting quin or nobody, a unbalanced seasaw
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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That lynch really stank. I wasn't around for EoD and If my life wasn't threatened, I could have been convinced to vote elsewhere.
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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oh and, surprise surprise, nutella thinks elohcin is bad.
Banners are cool, but a pain to scroll through so...
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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At least I can feel safe from the night kill tonight.
Banners are cool, but a pain to scroll through so...
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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Blah.
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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Rip wolbre, hi nutella!

I think I like you. Can you expand on why Elo is at the bottom for you?
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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Nut, out of curiousity - how did you read Wolbre?
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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I don't think I will be super active this night. Also haven't read end of day really.
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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M Plus 7 wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 11:26 pm
nutella wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 10:21 pm fresh artisanal wood-fired rainbow comin in hot (G hasn't even sent me my role yet lmao so these are ultra genuine)

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These are super weak though all around I've changed my mind multiple times on most people while reading the thread. For example when I read most of day 1 I was 100% civ on MP, but he has some bad looks around how the Choutas lynch eventually went down. Can't really decide how I feel about Marmot either.

Now just to find out my alignment. :mafia:
I wouldn't treat a teammate so transparently terribly, but you know, WIFOM and my word and all of that, so I get it.
I don’t think you treated choutas terribly, and I don’t think that’s the gist of what nutella is suggesting either. I think you left yourself outs for sure, after only lightly prodding choutas beforehand
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 10:22 am I don't think I will be super active this night. Also haven't read end of day really.
That reminds me- I won’t be very abundant this weekend either- I’m working 26 hours over the course of Saturday and Sunday (kill me) but I’ll check in when I can
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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Nutella, what about lap gives you such a strong townread?
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Marmot wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 2:40 am Welp, I suddenly like Quin and wish I'd been around at the deadline.
What would you have done differentry? Quin wasn’t lynched
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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Elohcin wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 8:36 am At least I can feel safe from the night kill tonight.
Elo, I dont think you would be at the top of the list regardless, so this is a weird comment.

Though, with this mafia team killing nova, who the hell knows
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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Scotty wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 10:24 am
Marmot wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 2:40 am Welp, I suddenly like Quin and wish I'd been around at the deadline.
What would you have done differentry? Quin wasn’t lynched
Probably voted lapluie. Or Elohcin. I got cold feet about lynching wolbre after some his late interactions yesterday.
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?

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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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I won't be around this weekend either, going on a camping trip tonight into Monday. There's some service though, so I'll at least pop in and vote.
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?

The answer: all of them, if you are a marmot.
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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nutella, can you explain why Elohcin is at the bottom of your rainbow?
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Dec 16, 2020 7:33 pm Just how many days of "let's yeet them tomorrow" can a mafioso survive?

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Re: Easter Mafia [DAY 2]

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ColinIsCool wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 12:17 pm I don’t feel good about Eloh either but I’m of two minds on that post. Could be scum self-preservation, or Marmot’s more charitable explanation could hold up.
ColinIsCool wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 3:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 2:39 pm I'm considering lynching Quin. His only sign of life today was to freak the hell out about some Dizzy interpretation of his own posts. I don't see evidence that this guy gives a crap about the hunt.
I don’t feel great about him either, or that he’s staying away from two wagons that both seem reasonable.
ColinIsCool wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 3:31 pm And Marmot too — what’s up with MP in your eyes?
ColinIsCool wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 5:36 pm I have you and Marmot leaning scum, and I’m not convinced re: Eloh, so I don’t think those are just “easy” reads.

As far as “flexible” goes, I’m certainly open to hearing arguments for anybody but a lot of these players I’ve only seen one way and I’m doing a lot of taking peoples’ word on meta analysis. JJJ, Epi, Kyle, I don’t know what they look like as scum so I don’t know what to watch out for. I disengaged from Greece after dying so anything that happened after the early stages was beyond me.
All these posts were right after each other.
So you had one eye on Elo, one on Quin, Marmot and (I think) MP, and you ultimately add to the wolbre train. That’s a lot of eyes that aren’t really looking anywhere in particular.

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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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Since when did suspecting people become a scumtell?
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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Scotty wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 10:20 am Rip wolbre, hi nutella!

I think I like you. Can you expand on why Elo is at the bottom for you?
Her flip flop on Jay on day 1, the way she said she would have voted for choutas, saying "my heart's not in it", those are the main things that stick out. But honestly looking at her iso again I could see townies Eloh. I think I often read her backwards so idk

I'm feeling the same kind of paranoia I felt in Fiddler where I want to tinfoil those who were initially my top civ reads. Like actually I could flip my whole rainbow upside-down. I think I need to re-read the choutas interaction analyses to get some better direction on who to look at.
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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Dyslexicon wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 10:21 am Nut, out of curiousity - how did you read Wolbre?
I was kind of torn. His hyper-defensiveness looked bad, but having not really played with him before (outside of before he died n1 in upick), I wondered if it was genuine/town. Then he actually did some legit hunting work which looked a lot better. I was hoping he would flip bad, mostly because I thought the Quin lynch was a bad idea so I was hoping for a productive alternative, but I wasn't too surprised at the flip. And honestly that whole EOD has me rethinking my Quin read.
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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I looked back at Ancient Greece to see why Colin was lynched there. He was lynched on Day 2 for his Day 1 vote, being noncommittal when three civilians were the leading wagons, and voting off-wagon.

Colin did off-vote on the Day 1 lynch, defending against the Choutas lynch and keeping his vote on lap. Day 2, he voted wolbre, after suspecting him from Night 1 onward. Maybe Colin just has more time to put into this game than Ancient Greece? Maybe the lower rate of activity in this one has allowed for him to settle in more? I dunno, I still think Colin's town. His progression of reads looks natural.
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Re: Easter Mafia [DAY 2]

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Scotty wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 10:40 am
ColinIsCool wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 12:17 pm I don’t feel good about Eloh either but I’m of two minds on that post. Could be scum self-preservation, or Marmot’s more charitable explanation could hold up.
ColinIsCool wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 3:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 2:39 pm I'm considering lynching Quin. His only sign of life today was to freak the hell out about some Dizzy interpretation of his own posts. I don't see evidence that this guy gives a crap about the hunt.
I don’t feel great about him either, or that he’s staying away from two wagons that both seem reasonable.
ColinIsCool wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 3:31 pm And Marmot too — what’s up with MP in your eyes?
ColinIsCool wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 5:36 pm I have you and Marmot leaning scum, and I’m not convinced re: Eloh, so I don’t think those are just “easy” reads.

As far as “flexible” goes, I’m certainly open to hearing arguments for anybody but a lot of these players I’ve only seen one way and I’m doing a lot of taking peoples’ word on meta analysis. JJJ, Epi, Kyle, I don’t know what they look like as scum so I don’t know what to watch out for. I disengaged from Greece after dying so anything that happened after the early stages was beyond me.
All these posts were right after each other.
So you had one eye on Elo, one on Quin, Marmot and (I think) MP, and you ultimately add to the wolbre train. That’s a lot of eyes that aren’t really looking anywhere in particular.

You’re a spider. I have my one cyclops eye on you
He had talked about wolbre quite a bit earlier on in the day, so I don't find it strange at all.
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Scotty wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 10:22 am
M Plus 7 wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 11:26 pm
I wouldn't treat a teammate so transparently terribly, but you know, WIFOM and my word and all of that, so I get it.
I don’t think you treated choutas terribly, and I don’t think that’s the gist of what nutella is suggesting either. I think you left yourself outs for sure, after only lightly prodding choutas beforehand
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Yeah, speaking in the general, I would too. Historically I've defended, bussed, and spoken almost nothing or nothing of lynched mafia teammates in the past, but my inclination is always to bus them. If I do anything other than that, it's because I have to convince my gut that it's a better option. To me, bussing is less risky than defending, all else being equal, but you're right that it completely defends on the circumstances of the bus, because players sloppily bus each other all the time to no avail. It happens to anyone willing to take the risks of bussing eventually.
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lapluie wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 4:00 am Umm no..? that's how you play, not a scum like you ok? I was really torn between voting quin or nobody, a unbalanced seasaw
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ColinIsCool wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 10:23 am Nutella, what about lap gives you such a strong townread?
She looks like the town lap I have seen in other games. I'm never entirely sure with her though and might also be able to draw comparisons to her bad game if I reread.
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Elohcin wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 8:34 am That lynch really stank. I wasn't around for EoD and If my life wasn't threatened, I could have been convinced to vote elsewhere.
I don't like this post at all. I don't understand why Elohcin would need to be convinved to vote elsewhere when wolbre was her soul scumread.
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Ugh pretty much none of the choutas interactions are conclusive either way. I'll GTH it.

These are GTH reads almost solely based on the choutas interactions:
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Kyle: town
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Several of the town ones are still plausible though. Ugh too many possibilities when there are really only 2 teammates.
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Only two teammates also means we're still a whopping three mislynches from LYLO, which is reassuring.
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Marmot wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 10:59 am
Scotty wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 10:40 am
ColinIsCool wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 12:17 pm I don’t feel good about Eloh either but I’m of two minds on that post. Could be scum self-preservation, or Marmot’s more charitable explanation could hold up.
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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 2:39 pm I'm considering lynching Quin. His only sign of life today was to freak the hell out about some Dizzy interpretation of his own posts. I don't see evidence that this guy gives a crap about the hunt.
I don’t feel great about him either, or that he’s staying away from two wagons that both seem reasonable.
ColinIsCool wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 3:31 pm And Marmot too — what’s up with MP in your eyes?
ColinIsCool wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 5:36 pm I have you and Marmot leaning scum, and I’m not convinced re: Eloh, so I don’t think those are just “easy” reads.

As far as “flexible” goes, I’m certainly open to hearing arguments for anybody but a lot of these players I’ve only seen one way and I’m doing a lot of taking peoples’ word on meta analysis. JJJ, Epi, Kyle, I don’t know what they look like as scum so I don’t know what to watch out for. I disengaged from Greece after dying so anything that happened after the early stages was beyond me.
All these posts were right after each other.
So you had one eye on Elo, one on Quin, Marmot and (I think) MP, and you ultimately add to the wolbre train. That’s a lot of eyes that aren’t really looking anywhere in particular.

You’re a spider. I have my one cyclops eye on you
He had talked about wolbre quite a bit earlier on in the day, so I don't find it strange at all.
But even towards the end there, he was leaving himself open to voting all other major wagons. Makes me feel like his hands were in multiple honey jars and the honey jars were spilling over, if Colin is bad then I can see one of his bad reads here being a teammate. Like, if the Elo one had taken off for real (and she were bad) he could go “oh...well I said I thought wolbre or Quin or marmot was bad so ima vote there”
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Re: Easter Mafia [NIGHT 2]

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I don’t know what to tell you Scotty. I don’t see what I said as measurably any different from, say, what MP has done in the thread, circling and considering different people in different lights.
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ColinIsCool wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 12:45 pm I don’t know what to tell you Scotty. I don’t see what I said as measurably any different from, say, what MP has done in the thread, circling and considering different people in different lights.
Which it's funny you say that, because I think MP is bad. :biggrin:

I dunno, maybe I'm town-tunnelling Colin, but I think he deserves it.
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look at me stirring the pot even after I die hehehehe
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Marmot wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 11:01 am
lapluie wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 4:00 am Umm no..? that's how you play, not a scum like you ok? I was really torn between voting quin or nobody, a unbalanced seasaw
Quin or nobody? How and why would you vote nobody?
Sorry I meant as in floyyed, sorry Floyd
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wolbre04 wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 1:26 pm look at me stirring the pot even after I die hehehehe
chef cooking w the pot boi
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ColinIsCool wrote: Thu May 24, 2018 10:24 pm I will try to do some ISOs when I get home from work tomorrow, but I will also be popping in during work to see what's what.
I still intend on this. I will be doing as many of these as I can before my family gets to my house later today.
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Colin & marmot r bad
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lapluie wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 2:35 pm Colin & marmot r bad
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ColinIsCool wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 2:37 pm
lapluie wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 2:35 pm Colin & marmot r bad
No u
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