Easter Mafia [GAME OVER]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

[Quin]

Why Quin is a mafioso

Cool, Cool cool cool.

Is there any follow-up? What did you get from asking that question?

Wouldn't you like to know?

Quin opened the game by giving nova some crap, and when nova turned it around Quin stuck his tongue out. He dished it but did not take it. I already explained my reasons for leaving the conversation there. I wanted to see his natural progression of thought.

When I forced him to take it, he went full OMGUS

k so i'll admit i never saw this post

What does it mean to you?

it means he explained what he got out of the conversation and i should give up

Quin and I exchanged barbs for a while until it ended here, with Quin acknowledging that he'd missed a nova post of importance. Nonetheless, he has recently returned to his suspicion of me, specifically citing this early game spat as the reason why -- a spat which dissolved when he realized he goofed.

Or something. To be honest I haven't got a god damn clue what I'm on about anymore. Someone tell me whether I'm making a lick of sense.

Posting this to reinforce the point above. Have you recently rediscovered what you were on about? I don't even remember the first half of the post.

Oh and I forgot Quin ... Quin is pretty inscrutable to me and I don't like that.

I second this actually. I also don't like that he was the one to be like "no but the kill was actually clever come on guyezzz" for more or less silly reasons, but like, I think Quin would be a player that would be low key bothered if other players called his play not smart. : p Does that make sense?

hate this. literally both parts are wrong. not even a misinterpretation. wrong.

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

What is the correct interpretation, and why does this make Dyslexicon bad?

He wifomised my night kill analysis. "Because nova made no explicit reads, I think the nova kill was a smart kill which doesn't reflect badly on anybody" got turned into "no but the kill was actually clever come on guyezzz". Fuck that.

"More or less silly reasons" is just the icing on the cake.

Quin got super cranky about this thing with Dizzy, and it looked like caught for the wrong reasons.

yea

Please share.

something wrong if there isn't?

Yes.

lapluie is good and marmot is bad.

no there isn't. fight me.

The "marmot is bad" part is of interest, because later Quin would return to declare Marmot his top civilian read. What was different at this stage, Quin? I hadn't spend over half an hour ISOing the guy. I agreed with an accusation lapluie laid out.

Then we're all on the same page.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

He self-voted because being lynched was irrelevant -- he's Caerbannog. I dug my own grave on purpose by self-voting if this is true. Nobody else could take that lynch. What motivation do I then have for coming back in such a glorious fashion as I did?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Damnit Quin, you paged my most important post for that. I'm posting it again.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I felt like I was spewing pure bullshit when I tried to make cases on these people:

nutella
Quin
Scotty

They're civilian reads.

~~~~~

I struggled more than I expected to generate a case that I liked on this guy:

ColinIsCool

The case can be made, but it isn't one that fills me with inspiration. I thought it would fill me with inspiration.

~~~~~

It was surprisingly natural and plausible to make a case on:

Dyslexicon

The case does require a lot of infusion from my own interaction with Dizzy, which invites personal bias on my part. With that in mind, I would appreciate feedback.

I felt a similar degree of confidence while casing these two, though without the same element of surprise:

Charlie Blackmon
lapluie

~~~~~

I didn't have to "try" to make a case on this guy, it just happened by the laws of nature:

Marmot

[Quin]

Damnit Quin, you paged my most important post for that. I'm posting it again.

sory

[JaggedJimmyJay]

At 7 vs 2, I think we're still in a 4-player POE situation. The unlynchable bunny screws with that, but what can ya do. A 3-player POE would be even better if you can manage it (you, dear reader of this post).

Right now I am feeling this for my pool:

Dyslexicon
Charlie Blackmon
lapluie
Marmot

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Damnit Quin, you paged my most important post for that. I'm posting it again.

sory

It's fine, I'm being a butt. I don't really need your defenses though, as you emerge as a stronger civilian read. I'd love feedback for the other names though.

[nutella]

I'm not buying any of this "homework" JJJ is doing. It's phony. Giving reasons why everyone could be bad isn't actually doing anything. It just looks like it is. My vote stays.

Why did you vote the way you did, JJJ?

I'm inclined to agree with this. It feels very forced, like it's a sad attempt to approach what an organic town Jay would do.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm not buying any of this "homework" JJJ is doing. It's phony. Giving reasons why everyone could be bad isn't actually doing anything. It just looks like it is. My vote stays.

Why did you vote the way you did, JJJ?

I'm inclined to agree with this. It feels very forced, like it's a sad attempt to approach what an organic town Jay would do.

Fuck's sake. I don't think I've ever even done this exercise before.

Well I hope you read the shit anyway despite your misgivings, because you're wrong. Even if you don't agree with whatever conclusions or assertions I make, the posts I highlight might point you in a direction.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

As for it feeling "forced":

You're goddamned right. When the game starts going south, it takes a forced effort to turn it around. I haven't won a game in my last three tries, and for me that's an eternity. I'm trying to find a method that works.

[nutella]

nutella's reads continue to change in ways that make me question my reality and the deterministic nature of the universe. She is operating at the quantum level, subject to pure randomness and chance in ways no other Mafia player has experienced.

Oh there is method to my madness... it's just that it'll only ever make sense in my own head

[Quin]

Damnit Quin, you paged my most important post for that. I'm posting it again.

sory

It's fine, I'm being a butt. I don't really need your defenses though, as you emerge as a stronger civilian read. I'd love feedback for the other names though.

I'll immediately say I think doing this looks good for you at least. You would know as well as anyone that going in with the conclusion that a person is bad is a crappy approach and you did it anyway. The follow-up makes it worth a damn in my eyes.

I haven't decided if this was supposed to be an insult or not.

[nutella]

Then we're all on the same page.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

He self-voted because being lynched was irrelevant -- he's Caerbannog.

This did cross my mind at the time.

[Quin]

I'm left with Epi if I stick with my "a thread leader is bad" theory.

[Quin]

Then we're all on the same page.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

He self-voted because being lynched was irrelevant -- he's Caerbannog.

This did cross my mind at the time.

i'm sorry were you even in the game at the time?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am particularly interested in Dizzy and Colin. They're the most difficult cases to sort given my own preconceptions and also the fact that my own content plays a large role in what I compiled. A less biased perspective would be super.

[nutella]

I felt like I was spewing pure bullshit when I tried to make cases on these people:

nutella
Quin
Scotty

They're civilian reads.

~~~~~

I struggled more than I expected to generate a case that I liked on this guy:

ColinIsCool

The case can be made, but it isn't one that fills me with inspiration. I thought it would fill me with inspiration.

~~~~~

It was surprisingly natural and plausible to make a case on:

Dyslexicon

The case does require a lot of infusion from my own interaction with Dizzy, which invites personal bias on my part. With that in mind, I would appreciate feedback.

I felt a similar degree of confidence while casing these two, though without the same element of surprise:

Charlie Blackmon
lapluie

~~~~~

I didn't have to "try" to make a case on this guy, it just happened by the laws of nature:

Marmot

ok, this review convinces me that your exercise had productive intentions (and is in fact similar to what I said I should do earlier -- isoing people and seeing how easy or hard it is to find suspicious content). I still think it's something you would absolutely do as mafia to keep up appearances. Maybe I'm just scarred from Mountains with the GTH exercise.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This has quietly become the second-most active heist we've ever had on The Syndicate by total post count (behind another G-Man game, RED vs. BLUE).

[nutella]

Then we're all on the same page.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

He self-voted because being lynched was irrelevant -- he's Caerbannog.

This did cross my mind at the time.

i'm sorry were you even in the game at the time?

I was about to be and was following along closely. G had told me that if Floyd hadn't shown up by the end of Day 2 I'd be replacing in at the lynch post, so I followed that lynch with as much anticipation as any living player.

[nutella]

I am particularly interested in Dizzy and Colin. They're the most difficult cases to sort given my own preconceptions and also the fact that my own content plays a large role in what I compiled. A less biased perspective would be super.

I had a similar experience when I ISOed Dyslexicon earlier today -- I was expecting them to look mostly town but I came out of it with pretty much no solid reason to town read them (and not much solid reason to scum read them to be fair, but there is a little bit that points me in that direction, including the Gladys stuff).

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I will again stress that if a suspect is a power role, you should consider claiming. I'm not telling you that you must, and I realize that people will be spooked when I say this, but it could go a long way toward sorting out POE. If you're not in any immediate danger, don't worry about it -- just make sure any information you possess can be identified in your posts without too much confusion when you're gone. Gladys Campbell in particular is running out of dentists to check.

[Quin]

Then we're all on the same page.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

He self-voted because being lynched was irrelevant -- he's Caerbannog.

This did cross my mind at the time.

i'm sorry were you even in the game at the time?

I was about to be and was following along closely. G had told me that if Floyd hadn't shown up by the end of Day 2 I'd be replacing in at the lynch post, so I followed that lynch with as much anticipation as any living player.

It seemed like an awkward way for a NP to phrase it, is all. I do believe it though. You have enough NP posts that it makes sense you were following the thread.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am particularly interested in Dizzy and Colin. They're the most difficult cases to sort given my own preconceptions and also the fact that my own content plays a large role in what I compiled. A less biased perspective would be super.

I had a similar experience when I ISOed Dyslexicon earlier today -- I was expecting them to look mostly town but I came out of it with pretty much no solid reason to town read them (and not much solid reason to scum read them to be fair, but there is a little bit that points me in that direction, including the Gladys stuff).

If you presently had to compile a POE pool of four, who would it be?

You too, [mention]Quin[/mention], please.

[Quin]

I will again stress that if a suspect is a power role, you should consider claiming. I'm not telling you that you must, and I realize that people will be spooked when I say this, but it could go a long way toward sorting out POE. If you're not in any immediate danger, don't worry about it -- just make sure any information you possess can be identified in your posts without too much confusion when you're gone. Gladys Campbell in particular is running out of dentists to check.

Gladys should also claim if she manages to identify all of the living dentists. She effectively becomes vanilla then. I just realised all civilian deaths have been dentists. Christ

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Keith Shover probably should NOT claim yet, unless being lynched is imminent. There are a lot of Christians available for protection.

[Quin]

I am particularly interested in Dizzy and Colin. They're the most difficult cases to sort given my own preconceptions and also the fact that my own content plays a large role in what I compiled. A less biased perspective would be super.

I had a similar experience when I ISOed Dyslexicon earlier today -- I was expecting them to look mostly town but I came out of it with pretty much no solid reason to town read them (and not much solid reason to scum read them to be fair, but there is a little bit that points me in that direction, including the Gladys stuff).

If you presently had to compile a POE pool of four, who would it be?

You too, Quin, please.

Colin
Charlie
Dizzy
lapluie (she's gonna have an aneurism at this point)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Quin, could you summarize in a sentence or so what gives you such confidence in Marmot? I know you've spoken on it already, but a concise take would be helpful.

[nutella]

Then we're all on the same page.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

He self-voted because being lynched was irrelevant -- he's Caerbannog.

This did cross my mind at the time.

i'm sorry were you even in the game at the time?

I was about to be and was following along closely. G had told me that if Floyd hadn't shown up by the end of Day 2 I'd be replacing in at the lynch post, so I followed that lynch with as much anticipation as any living player.

It seemed like an awkward way for a NP to phrase it, is all. I do believe it though. You have enough NP posts that it makes sense you were following the thread.

I mean, it's to the extent that I didn't even actively remember that I hadn't been playing at that point until you pointed it out.

[nutella]

I am particularly interested in Dizzy and Colin. They're the most difficult cases to sort given my own preconceptions and also the fact that my own content plays a large role in what I compiled. A less biased perspective would be super.

I had a similar experience when I ISOed Dyslexicon earlier today -- I was expecting them to look mostly town but I came out of it with pretty much no solid reason to town read them (and not much solid reason to scum read them to be fair, but there is a little bit that points me in that direction, including the Gladys stuff).

If you presently had to compile a POE pool of four, who would it be?

You too, Quin, please.

lapluie
Dyslexicon
Marmot
JaggedJimmyJay

[Quin]

Quin, could you summarize in a sentence or so what gives you such confidence in Marmot? I know you've spoken on it already, but a concise take would be helpful.

His obvious desire to solve the game sets fire to my loins.

[Quin]

[nutella]

Quin, could you summarize in a sentence or so what gives you such confidence in Marmot? I know you've spoken on it already, but a concise take would be helpful.

His obvious desire to solve the game sets fire to my loins.

Hot... but not convincing

[Quin]

(i am not gladys campbell with a dentist marmot check)

cos it wanted to glitch out apparently

[Quin]

[wow i did a thing]

[Quin]

[wow i did a thing]

don't mind me just trying to figure out why that post in square brackets turned invisible

[Quin]

I should say my PoE is just those 3 + lapluie. Good things come to mind easily for all but those 3. lapluie fits in because I needed a fourth.

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

Why Marmot is a mafioso

I use chrome maybe its a settings issue.
Anyhow lets get to business.

Cool. What do you think of rabbits?

Also, the game

Theyre cute but they make terrible meat so a no for me.
The game has started in a mild manner we need to stir things up. Force people to read others.

As for Day one Mac i think hes right into the role.

Just highlighting the appropriate yikes moment before continuing.

ColinIsCool
Kylemii
M Plus 7
novaselinenever
Scotty

Dyslexicon
TheFloyd73

wolbre04
Quin
MacDougall
lapluie
Elohcin
Choutas

Accurate

Mac knew I put his team in the orange pile and said as much -- there's little to fear when Day 1 rainbows end up changing so much anyway. If he's bad, I know it's at the very least 2/3 "accurate". He tried to play it off like I was distancing though.

Emerging from a considerable baddie effort in Ass Class and immersed in his full game host, Mac didn't think he could give his scum team the attention it needed and elected to be replaced soon after flipping his role card.

Enter Marmot.

Aw crap I got a mafia rolecard.

Marmot is no stranger to WIFOM and has done it as a civilian at least once to my memory (his first RYM game). I have personally beaten him though by seeing through his WIFOM (the shit he tried to pull with DrWilgy and Mac in Romance of the Three Kingdoms), so I am not throwing this out. If he literally tells me that he is a mafioso in his first post as a player, then I am counting that as a mark against him.

Failing to do that is foolishness.

Marmot confidently reads MP as mafia for reasons that I don't believe warrant that confidence. MP is scum because he is asking questions? Have you met MP?

This comparison Marmot drew for lapluie is a bit loaded. The Mortal Kombat example featured her asking a question about someone else's suspicion, not explaining her own (or explaining a civilian read). There's no contradiction here.

[VOTE: Choutas] aubergine be bad please!

I'm not giving Marmot "too bad to be bad" points. Have you met Marmot? This is a crappy vote. It came late when the lynch was mostly decided, and it wasn't supported adequately by prior Marmot content.

Nice kill choice Jay.

You'd make that goofy-ass kill, Marmot.

No way, I'd take this golden opportunity and kill Charlie Blackmon.

No you wouldn't. A temporary username doesn't change the identity of the person. Otherwise you'd forever lose this "I never kill Epignosis" thing you love to claim so often, and any attempt to exploit the loophole that he wasn't technically called Epignosis would just be met with discredits. The nova kill was still wack, and Marmot is suspect zero in all wack matters (unless Wilgy is playing, then we can talk).

I don't know why I am in the blue tier. Marmot never trusts me.

And Marmot too — what’s up with MP in your eyes?

MP is scum and I'm looking for his teammate imo.

When you think about MP's alignment in this game, what single thing gives you the most pause when considering him a bad guy?

I've found his interactions with wolbre to be pretty sincere and believable. I don't think they're teammate compatible (which is something I thought going into today).

I didn't see much evidence that Marmot was considering both sides of the coin when judging MP in this game, and when I asked for some I got this half-baked "not teammates with X" thing. Meh.

I've made a lot of posts this game, so I'll take it as a compliment that your case against Mac is almost as large as your case against me (which is mostly built on WIFOM anyway).

[Marmot]

Oh my god, all that and Jay still thinks I'm the scummiest?

Your case is terrible. It's built on Mac's content (who knew he was replacing out) and WIFOM. Seriously Jay?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I've made a lot of posts this game, so I'll take it as a compliment that your case against Mac is almost as large as your case against me (which is mostly built on WIFOM anyway).

I don't deny Mac plays an important role in my suspicion of you. I don't expect you to answer for him. Who are your top suspects?

[Marmot]

This has quietly become the second-most active heist we've ever had on The Syndicate by total post count (behind another G-Man game, RED vs. BLUE).

Was that the game where I made it to LYLO with you and Golden thwarted us all?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh my god, all that and Jay still thinks I'm the scummiest?

Your case is terrible. It's built on Mac's content (who knew he was replacing out) and WIFOM. Seriously Jay?

Mac's content matters, and you're the last perform for whom I will ignore WIFOM. That's not all of it either.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

person*

[Marmot]

I've made a lot of posts this game, so I'll take it as a compliment that your case against Mac is almost as large as your case against me (which is mostly built on WIFOM anyway).

I don't deny Mac plays an important role in my suspicion of you. I don't expect you to answer for him. Who are your top suspects?

A lot has happened since I was previously active in the thread. Both of my top scumreads are dead, so my reevaluation looks like this.

Currently, my top suspect is Colin, because of a gutwrenching post I pointed out earlier.

I've gone back and forth on Charlie. His contributions to this game have come when he's taken heat, and despite his low activity (by his standards) and use of baseball metaphors, he's still taken to bashing others' playstyle, namely MP.

Dizzy comes next, mainly because I don't feel any confidence that they're town.

[Marmot]

Oh my god, all that and Jay still thinks I'm the scummiest?

Your case is terrible. It's built on Mac's content (who knew he was replacing out) and WIFOM. Seriously Jay?

Mac's content matters, and you're the last person for whom I will ignore WIFOM. That's not all of it either.

Why?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Currently, my top suspect is Colin, because of a gutwrenching post I pointed out earlier.

That's my least-favorite Colin stuff. I am concerned you're parroting me on that point though.

Dizzy comes next, mainly because I don't feel any confidence that they're town.

Who do feel town confidence for?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh my god, all that and Jay still thinks I'm the scummiest?

Your case is terrible. It's built on Mac's content (who knew he was replacing out) and WIFOM. Seriously Jay?

Mac's content matters, and you're the last person for whom I will ignore WIFOM. That's not all of it either.

Why?

Romance of the Three Kingdoms was a WIFOM extravaganza for you and your teammates.

[Marmot]

Quin, could you summarize in a sentence or so what gives you such confidence in Marmot? I know you've spoken on it already, but a concise take would be helpful.

His obvious desire to solve the game sets fire to my loins.

[Marmot]

Currently, my top suspect is Colin, because of a gutwrenching post I pointed out earlier.

That's my least-favorite Colin stuff. I am concerned you're parroting me on that point though.

Dizzy comes next, mainly because I don't feel any confidence that they're town.

Who do feel town confidence for?

I don't care what you said about it. I was catching up in real time to offer the best hot takes I could.


Nutella and Scotty.

[Marmot]

Oh my god, all that and Jay still thinks I'm the scummiest?

Your case is terrible. It's built on Mac's content (who knew he was replacing out) and WIFOM. Seriously Jay?

Mac's content matters, and you're the last person for whom I will ignore WIFOM. That's not all of it either.

Why?

Romance of the Three Kingdoms was a WIFOM extravaganza for you and your teammates.

Hmm. My recollection is that I've done it in bajillion mafia games of various alignments, but yes you're right that it backfired one time when I was mafia.

So why is this a part of your case?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So why is this a part of your case?

A guy I have personally caught as a bad guy for engaging in WIFOM nonsense entered this game as a replacement and immediately said "I got a mafia role card".

I'm not ignoring that. It isn't irrefutable evidence that you're a bad guy, but it is a bad look.