Easter Mafia [GAME OVER]

[nutella]

Better mafia to nightkill a confirmed civilian power role than for town to mislynch a civilian power role. We need to use the lynch on the scum.

Unless you’re just buying time because you want to get civ numbers down before you’re outed as Caebernog.

What do you suppose we should do with Marmot if nobody counterclaims Keith Shover?

I fully expect Keith to not claim. I support that decision, and it’s why I’m now 100% convinced he’s scum.

The only way a scum would be brazen enough to fakeclaim, though, is if they know they won’t be lynched. (I would think, anyway.) So whether we want to use the lynch to confirm that ... idk. I don’t know where we sit numbers-wise if we change the phase-patters until LYLO like that.

This is some hot bullshit. [VOTE: colin] aubergine

[ColinIsCool]

Better mafia to nightkill a confirmed civilian power role than for town to mislynch a civilian power role. We need to use the lynch on the scum.

Unless you’re just buying time because you want to get civ numbers down before you’re outed as Caebernog.

Ok, if you're Keith Shover and you're in my shoes with a 4 to 2 to 1 lead in the lynch poll and every player except for one voicing an interest in lynching you, what do you do?

Argue the point differently so you’re not throwing the only defense we have away. I wasn’t even that far behind you in the poll before your claim. It wasn’t necessary.

[ColinIsCool]

I fully expect Keith to not claim. I support that decision, and it’s why I’m now 100% convinced he’s scum.

I don't understand this. You're convinced Marmot is lying because you're also convinced Keith wouldn't claim. Is that correct?

If so, under what circumstances should Keith claim?

If I were Keith, I would not explicitly claim, especially not to save my ass on a lynch that can easily be turned around via argument. It just makes no sense for Marmot to claim right now, in this vote.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I fully expect Keith to not claim. I support that decision, and it’s why I’m now 100% convinced he’s scum.

I don't understand this. You're convinced Marmot is lying because you're also convinced Keith wouldn't claim. Is that correct?

If so, under what circumstances should Keith claim?

If I were Keith, I would not explicitly claim, especially not to save my ass on a lynch that can easily be turned around via argument. It just makes no sense for Marmot to claim right now, in this vote.

That doesn't answer my question. You've said that you don't think the conditions were apt for Marmot to honestly claim. Okay.

What conditions are necessary to justify a claim? Are there any?

[ColinIsCool]

Colin, if you're not counterclaiming Keith, it's probably prudent to believe and not lynch marmot.

If you were the doc, and you knew you couldn’t protect yourself, and you were only up by a couple of votes from people who have voiced extreme suspicion of your other target, would you claim?

[ColinIsCool]

I fully expect Keith to not claim. I support that decision, and it’s why I’m now 100% convinced he’s scum.

I don't understand this. You're convinced Marmot is lying because you're also convinced Keith wouldn't claim. Is that correct?

If so, under what circumstances should Keith claim?

If I were Keith, I would not explicitly claim, especially not to save my ass on a lynch that can easily be turned around via argument. It just makes no sense for Marmot to claim right now, in this vote.

That doesn't answer my question. You've said that you don't think the conditions were apt for Marmot to honestly claim. Okay.

What conditions are necessary to justify a claim? Are there any?

Not any that I can see in this game.

[ColinIsCool]

I fully expect Keith to not claim. I support that decision, and it’s why I’m now 100% convinced he’s scum.

I don't understand this. You're convinced Marmot is lying because you're also convinced Keith wouldn't claim. Is that correct?

If so, under what circumstances should Keith claim?

If I were Keith, I would not explicitly claim, especially not to save my ass on a lynch that can easily be turned around via argument. It just makes no sense for Marmot to claim right now, in this vote.

That doesn't answer my question. You've said that you don't think the conditions were apt for Marmot to honestly claim. Okay.

What conditions are necessary to justify a claim? Are there any?

Not any that I can see in this game, if you can’t protect yourself.

[ColinIsCool]

Oops, dunno how that went through.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Not any that I can see in this game, if you can’t protect yourself.

So you believe then that it makes more sense for Keith Shover to allow himself to be lynched without ever claiming than it would for Keith Shover to claim prior to an imminent lynch?

[Marmot]

I fully expect Keith to not claim. I support that decision, and it’s why I’m now 100% convinced he’s scum.

I don't understand this. You're convinced Marmot is lying because you're also convinced Keith wouldn't claim. Is that correct?

If so, under what circumstances should Keith claim?

If I were Keith, I would not explicitly claim, especially not to save my ass on a lynch that can easily be turned around via argument. It just makes no sense for Marmot to claim right now, in this vote.

I've got plans tonight and might not be around for the EoD, so I played it safely on the off-chance y'all thought it'd be good idea to lynch me, especially after almost doing so yesterday. I'd prefer not to have claimed, but I'm hedging my bets because I don't know if I can defend against it.

I also need to actually do some work today, not play mafia all day lol.

[ColinIsCool]

Not any that I can see in this game, if you can’t protect yourself.

So you believe then that it makes more sense for Keith Shover to allow himself to be lynched without ever claiming than it would for Keith Shover to claim prior to an imminent lynch?

No, I suppose you’re right, if it’s a much grimmer lynch scenario. I wouldn’t consider this lynch imminent or particularly grim for Marmot, though. I would only claim in this circumstance if I ABSOLUTELY needed to, and if you think we were there for Marmot, well then I don’t think you’re paying attention to the way these votes have gone.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Not any that I can see in this game, if you can’t protect yourself.

So you believe then that it makes more sense for Keith Shover to allow himself to be lynched without ever claiming than it would for Keith Shover to claim prior to an imminent lynch?

No, I suppose you’re right, if it’s a much grimmer lynch scenario. I wouldn’t consider this lynch imminent or particularly grim for Marmot, though. I would only claim in this circumstance if I ABSOLUTELY needed to, and if you think we were there for Marmot, well then I don’t think you’re paying attention to the way these votes have gone.

You currently sit at 5 votes, and the only other player with 2 votes has your vote and the vote of another who probably hasn't seen the Keith Shover claim yet. Are your circumstances dire?

[Marmot]

I also think it's a point in my favor that Kyle died the night that I targeted him. As scum, it doesn't makes sense to nightkill the player I claimed to protect.

[ColinIsCool]

Not any that I can see in this game, if you can’t protect yourself.

So you believe then that it makes more sense for Keith Shover to allow himself to be lynched without ever claiming than it would for Keith Shover to claim prior to an imminent lynch?

No, I suppose you’re right, if it’s a much grimmer lynch scenario. I wouldn’t consider this lynch imminent or particularly grim for Marmot, though. I would only claim in this circumstance if I ABSOLUTELY needed to, and if you think we were there for Marmot, well then I don’t think you’re paying attention to the way these votes have gone.

You currently sit at 5 votes, and the only other player with 2 votes has your vote and the vote of another who probably hasn't seen the Keith Shover claim yet. Are your circumstances dire?

No, I wouldn’t say they are because I fully expect people to see what I see.

[ColinIsCool]

I also think it's a point in my favor that Kyle died the night that I targeted him. As scum, it doesn't makes sense to nightkill the player I claimed to protect.

I fail to see how it matters one way or another?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

No, I wouldn’t say they are because I fully expect people to see what I see.

I don't see what you see. If I am in Marmot's shoes and know that I won't be around the game later in the phase, I probably do exactly what he did. Even if I do know I am going to be around later, I don't want too long to claim, because I cannot know how many people will be present in the end to move their votes.

In the absence of a counterclaim, I don't think there's a good reason to doubt Marmot.

[Marmot]

I also think it's a point in my favor that Kyle died the night that I targeted him. As scum, it doesn't makes sense to nightkill the player I claimed to protect.

I fail to see how it matters one way or another?

I posted links in my claim to point to the players I protected each night. Did you look at those or do you doubt that they're real?

[ColinIsCool]

I also think it's a point in my favor that Kyle died the night that I targeted him. As scum, it doesn't makes sense to nightkill the player I claimed to protect.

I fail to see how it matters one way or another?

I posted links in my claim to point to the players I protected each night. Did you look at those or do you doubt that they're real?

I doubt that they’re real. I don’t know why you would have protected me on day 1 in the first place.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Marmot[/mention], it would be ideal if you'd explain your protection choices.

[Marmot]

I also think it's a point in my favor that Kyle died the night that I targeted him. As scum, it doesn't makes sense to nightkill the player I claimed to protect.

I fail to see how it matters one way or another?

I posted links in my claim to point to the players I protected each night. Did you look at those or do you doubt that they're real?

I doubt that they’re real. I don’t know why you would have protected me on day 1 in the first place.

You were my top townread. And a player contributing to the thread strongly.


I don't know what else to say. I think your frustration is baddie-indicitive.

[ColinIsCool]

I’m not frustrated. I’m confident that I’ve got your number here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m not frustrated. I’m confident that I’ve got your number here.

I've an exercise for you.

~ If Marmot is a lying mafioso, who is his teammate?

~ If Marmot is being truthful, who are the two mafia?

[Marmot]

Marmot, it would be ideal if you'd explain your protection choices.

Colin I had a strong townread of on Night 1, and I liked his effort.

I protected Kyle Night 2 for similar reasons, and his Day 1 vote of Choutas was the best looking one. I was confident he was town.

I would have protected someone last night, but I was out on a camping trip and couldn't make it online to do so.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Colin I had a strong townread of on Night 1, and I liked his effort.

A few players gave a good effort, and some played a considerable role in slaughtering Choutas. What made Colin the best option for you to protect?

[ColinIsCool]

I’m not frustrated. I’m confident that I’ve got your number here.

I've an exercise for you.

~ If Marmot is a lying mafioso, who is his teammate?

~ If Marmot is being truthful, who are the two mafia?

I am not a “cart-before-horse” style player so I don’t hunt for teammates until I have one confirmed. And I don’t have time right now for a complete ISO but I did see interactions between he and Dizzy that felt strange on his end. I would have to do an analysis on Dizzy’s posts to guarantee that.

I don’t think Marmot is being truthful, but my bad feeling about lap persists (especially because the night and day difference I saw was actually a game where she was civ.)

[ColinIsCool]

As far as being teammate compatible with confirmed scum, though, Marmot’s vote on Choutas is looking worse and worse.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t think Marmot is being truthful, but my bad feeling about lap persists (especially because the night and day difference I saw was actually a game where she was civ.)

What do you make of lapluie's role claim?

[ColinIsCool]

I don’t think Marmot is being truthful, but my bad feeling about lap persists (especially because the night and day difference I saw was actually a game where she was civ.)

What do you make of lapluie's role claim?

What? When did lapluie claim?

[Marmot]

Colin I had a strong townread of on Night 1, and I liked his effort.

A few players gave a good effort, and some played a considerable role in slaughtering Choutas. What made Colin the best option for you to protect?

I thought that if he was town, he'd make a decent kill choice. I dunno. My thoughts on him now are quite different compared to then.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t think Marmot is being truthful, but my bad feeling about lap persists (especially because the night and day difference I saw was actually a game where she was civ.)

What do you make of lapluie's role claim?

What? When did lapluie claim?

Please click and then report back with your perspectives.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Colin I had a strong townread of on Night 1, and I liked his effort.

A few players gave a good effort, and some played a considerable role in slaughtering Choutas. What made Colin the best option for you to protect?

I thought that if he was town, he'd make a decent kill choice. I dunno. My thoughts on him now are quite different compared to then.

I think the two players emerging from the Choutas lynch who looked the best, at least in that moment, were Kyle and I. Why not us on Night 1?

[Marmot]

I didn't notice lap's claim at first either, I was more focused on posting my own.

[Marmot]

I didn't notice lap's claim at first either, I was more focused on posting my own.

[ColinIsCool]

I don’t think Marmot is being truthful, but my bad feeling about lap persists (especially because the night and day difference I saw was actually a game where she was civ.)

What do you make of lapluie's role claim?

What? When did lapluie claim?

Please click and then report back with your perspectives.

Was this a serious claim? There are other players who have said “if I am Gladys Campbell,” I didn’t realize this was any different.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Was this a serious claim? There are other players who have said “if I am Gladys Campbell,” I didn’t realize this was any different.

I interpret it as a hard claim. Assume for the sake of argument that it is -- what does this tell you about lapluie?

[Marmot]

Colin I had a strong townread of on Night 1, and I liked his effort.

A few players gave a good effort, and some played a considerable role in slaughtering Choutas. What made Colin the best option for you to protect?

I thought that if he was town, he'd make a decent kill choice. I dunno. My thoughts on him now are quite different compared to then.

I think the two players emerging from the Choutas lynch who looked the best, at least in that moment, were Kyle and I. Why not us on Night 1?

I guess my own read of you didn't line up with that. I also think I'm the towniest of players in this game, but you made a WIFOM case on me and helped lead a wagon on me, so I think you can understand.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I guess my own read of you didn't line up with that. I also think I'm the towniest of players in this game, but you made a WIFOM case on me and helped lead a wagon on me, so I think you can understand.

I can understand why you wouldn't have that view of me now. I am not talking about now though. I am talking about Night 1, and for Kyle as much as me. I do grant that Colin is a bizarre protection choice.

[ColinIsCool]

Was this a serious claim? There are other players who have said “if I am Gladys Campbell,” I didn’t realize this was any different.

I interpret it as a hard claim. Assume for the sake of argument that it is -- what does this tell you about lapluie?

Well, huh. I don’t think I would have claimed that so transparently if I were being truthful, and I am instantly rankled by her also seemingly offering herself up to the wolves. On the other hand if it is a claim it’s not all that bad considering a couple of others have also been claiming. I don’t know.

[Marmot]

You can count on me for making bizarre decisions. Like vig-killing Golden in the mafia championship scrimmage.

[Marmot]

@Marmot ok thanks for that information, maybe we can work & find out whos scum.
The other two names listed above, got any idea?

This post tells me that lapluie is being 100% truthful in her claim, fwiw.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Was this a serious claim? There are other players who have said “if I am Gladys Campbell,” I didn’t realize this was any different.

I interpret it as a hard claim. Assume for the sake of argument that it is -- what does this tell you about lapluie?

Well, huh. I don’t think I would have claimed that so transparently if I were being truthful, and I am instantly rankled by her also seemingly offering herself up to the wolves. On the other hand if it is a claim it’s not all that bad considering a couple of others have also been claiming. I don’t know.

If she is being honest, she has the power to confirm at least two people in this game as civilians (5 dead dentists, 2 alive + herself = dentist population of 8). She has made herself a target though. Is she lying in the same way that you believe Marmot is lying?

[Marmot]

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] Heeeeeeeeeeeey! Want to weigh in on stuff?

[Dyslexicon]

Oh cool. Lapluie was either Gladys or scum to me for how she reacted to Jimmey cover of Colin. If Marmot claimed (didn't see it) this is pretty good. Lapluie didn't outright claim, but I can see the truth.

I think I want Epi to die the most actually.

[Dyslexicon]

@Dyslexicon Heeeeeeeeeeeey! Want to weigh in on stuff?

*weighs*

[VOTE: Charlie] aubergine

Want to speed read Colins responses before I have to go

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Oh cool. Lapluie was either Gladys or scum to me for how she reacted to Jimmey cover of Colin.

Agreed.

I think I want Epi to die the most actually.

I think the most likely universe is Colin/Epi, so I am open. It's just a matter of working around the unlynchable one if possible, your favorite thing.

[Dyslexicon]

Mmm ok so lap and marmot claimed, this changes my poe. [VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine for now, might switch to Colin

Nur. I might be dumb, but I'm not scum and that rhymes.

[ColinIsCool]

I don’t think she has the same motive that Marmot has to fakeclaim. Lying at this juncture for her would be bizarre. By the same token, I would have definitely not made myself a target like that, though. It’s all bizarre to me.

To answer your question, I can see chalking this one up to a difference of playstyle that I simply can’t for Marmot, given his motive and the facts of this lynch.

[Dyslexicon]

Oh cool. Lapluie was either Gladys or scum to me for how she reacted to Jimmey cover of Colin.

Agreed.

I think I want Epi to die the most actually.

I think the most likely universe is Colin/Epi, so I am open. It's just a matter of working around the unlynchable one if possible, your favorite thing.

This is not the time to be hung up about this, buuut, are you going to tell me why you have me in the PoE when you clearly don't think I'm scum? : p

[Marmot]

Because you're Dyslexiscum!

[Dyslexicon]

I don’t think she has the same motive that Marmot has to fakeclaim. Lying at this juncture for her would be bizarre. By the same token, I would have definitely not made myself a target like that, though. It’s all bizarre to me.

To answer your question, I can see chalking this one up to a difference of playstyle that I simply can’t for Marmot, given his motive and the facts of this lynch.

What makes you think Marmot fake claimed? Would you say you are VERY sure of it, or is it just a possibility? Cause unless you are VERY sure, I don't see how that makes sense for Marmot to be faking.