[ENDGAME] The Shawshank Redemption Mafia

[S~V~S]

Well, the poll implies someone will get a reward. I would prefer it be a civ. Now I do not have any info, but after seeing what Elo said, I went back and took a good look at BWT. I think I read him pretty well. I think he could be a civ. So I would prefer to reward him rather than someone else. Saying who you feel good about and could potentially trust is as much a part of mafia as saying who you suspect.

And for all the baddies know, with 2 mafias, me, Elo, & BWT could be bad teammates making a particularly ballsy move. I have been known to do so

So saying I trust a particular person in a poll structured this way will not put a target on them anymore than Llama is having a target painted with the votes he has.

I meant that the target was llama. And I know it's part of the game, but if the vote gets llama for example out of the lynch poll, we basically did nothing, but make it worse for him, because obviously, his problem won't be getting lynched, but dying in other ways.
This is why I don't think it's a lynch thing. It makes no sense. If I were hosting the game, I'd make it something that the person voted for, would actually benefit

I still think there's a chance you were trying to look good when thinking Elo found a civ even if you claim you looked for it for different reasons.

I have to say, that even though llama is one of the people I feel is a civ, it's not impossible that the baddies targeted their own team mate that could survive the first kill, just to make him look like a civ.

We must have a miscommunication; I also think the person we vote for will benefit. That was why I made a point of posting my opinion on who I voted for. The person I feel best about. No one is confirmed IMO nor can they be with an SK with secrets.

[thellama73]

I haven't really felt that way about boo yet. Was it just the late vote or is there another reason?

This was my initial suspicion for him, and I stand by it.

This is going to sound weird, but honestly, boo and MR are pinging me the most for saying that there's nothing useful to be gleaned from me being the one who cried out. I mean, they are right. There is nothing useful to be gleaned from that. But my intuition is telling me that they know I'm civ (or at least not on their team) and they know I am likely to get lynched early so they are purposely not going after me, when it would be easy to do so, so when I flip civ they can avoid having been a part of it and establish credibility.

I know that sounds crazy convoluted and insane, but that is what my gut said to me when I read their posts.

[boo]

Also, how long are we prepared to tolerate MrThomas' complete absence from the thread? I am starting to lose patience with him, personally.

I agree but do we really want to be lynching no-shows on day 3 or later? If he's civ that's a day wasted, if he's bad he's not contributing to his team anyway.

He has shown up, he's voted. He's just never posted.

[Bullzeye]

Also, how long are we prepared to tolerate MrThomas' complete absence from the thread? I am starting to lose patience with him, personally.

I agree but do we really want to be lynching no-shows on day 3 or later? If he's civ that's a day wasted, if he's bad he's not contributing to his team anyway.

He has shown up, he's voted. He's just never posted.

I hadn't realised that. So if he's reading he knows people are supposed to be posting and is just choosing not to? I'm not sure what to make of that.

Going out in a bit and dunno if I'll be back before the poll ends so I'm gonna vote now. Going with Llama since I currently think he's civ.

[Vompatti]

I didn't do it, I'm innocent, I was nowhere near the guy, I didn't kill him, I've never killed anyone, I don't even own a gun, I've never touched a gun in my life.

[A Person]

I didn't do it, I'm innocent, I was nowhere near the guy, I didn't kill him, I've never killed anyone, I don't even own a gun, I've never touched a gun in my life.

I believe you k

[Vompatti]

I didn't do it, I'm innocent, I was nowhere near the guy, I didn't kill him, I've never killed anyone, I don't even own a gun, I've never touched a gun in my life.

I believe you k

[A Person]

Also, how long are we prepared to tolerate MrThomas' complete absence from the thread? I am starting to lose patience with him, personally.

I agree but do we really want to be lynching no-shows on day 3 or later? If he's civ that's a day wasted, if he's bad he's not contributing to his team anyway.

If he's bad he could be doing it on purpose and hoping that no one will waste their time lynching him.

This sounds so much like something a baddie would say to push for someone's lynch.
If he hasn't posted for reasons that are not related to RL, I'd say he's overwhelmed. And if he's a baddie, it's much more likely that he doesn't know what to say, and not because he thinks we'll forget about him. As scum, it would be much better to just say something and vote someone to get people off your back. Look at how no one is paying attention to Lizzie. She said very little, then voted for herself, then I voted for her, and some people followed. Then, she comes back says that it gives her a reason to vote for one of the three. Does a weird elimination and votes, and then she's gone again. Is anyone even talking about her except me?

I'm paying attention to Lizzy but I trust her implicitly

[boo]

I haven't really felt that way about boo yet. Was it just the late vote or is there another reason?

This was my initial suspicion for him, and I stand by it.

This is going to sound weird, but honestly, boo and MR are pinging me the most for saying that there's nothing useful to be gleaned from me being the one who cried out. I mean, they are right. There is nothing useful to be gleaned from that. But my intuition is telling me that they know I'm civ (or at least not on their team) and they know I am likely to get lynched early so they are purposely not going after me, when it would be easy to do so, so when I flip civ they can avoid having been a part of it and establish credibility.

I know that sounds crazy convoluted and insane, but that is what my gut said to me when I read their posts.

Lets all look at how right you were about MR, even though you refused to vote for him. I could make a similar claim about you based off of that same essentially non-reason.

And... the late vote (and what late vote? D1 I voted when john made his post and that made me think MR was bad, you were suspicious of me prior to that) wasn't your initial suspicion, as shown by you quoting yourself so...? I put a vote on MR yesterday, fifth one he got I think, but I think most of the votes he took prior to me voting him used my reasoning from D1 to vote him.

While the NK makes me think you aren't on that team (FZ did point out the possibily your team targeted you, to add to that, they would have RBed the killer, and the post does, looking at, read like a teammate interrupted the kill, but that all seems a) like a foolish play in general and b) an especially foolish play N1 when you aren't being suspected), the way you're spinning things now makes me really not trust you. Your survival isn't explained by any civvie roles outright, so either you're the secret civvie role, contraband protected you (which doesn't prove anything, as the sisters can get contraband, or someone who does not know your alignment could have done it), or you're the DA or SK. At this point, DA or SK seems like the most likely explanation, and since we know the SK is LMSing (with the possible exception of the DA), and we don't know the conditions of the DA, you're looking worse and worse to me.

-lots of linki, will read it after posting

[thellama73]

Lets all look at how right you were about MR, even though you refused to vote for him. I could make a similar claim about you based off of that same essentially non-reason.

I suspected both you and MR at the time, but I thought you looked worse than him which is why I voted for you on Day 1. His civvieness does not acquit you, as I think it would have been a very bad idea for both of you to try the same strategy if you were both bad. I never thought both of you were bad, just one. I thought it was you then and I think it's you now.

But don't worry, I'm still voting for Mongoose tomorrow.

[boo]

Lets all look at how right you were about MR, even though you refused to vote for him. I could make a similar claim about you based off of that same essentially non-reason.

I suspected both you and MR at the time, but I thought you looked worse than him which is why I voted for you on Day 1. His civvieness does not acquit you, as I think it would have been a very bad idea for both of you to try the same strategy if you were both bad. I never thought both of you were bad, just one. I thought it was you then and I think it's you now.

But don't worry, I'm still voting for Mongoose tomorrow.

Oh, I'm not worried.

I see multiple possibilities for your NK tonight because of things you've done, and the non-favour people have done you by voting for you in this poll. You've been painted as civvie looking by 4 people now, and if the sisters reached (or agree with) my reasoning for why you're likely the DA or SK, neither of which is a role I imagine they'd want to keep around, then through either avenue, they may decide to target you tonight. Whether that would kill you or not will I suppose depend on how you survived last night.

Even if they choose not to (which is what I'd prefer if you can't survive a second time, so long as it doesn't mean I'm the target), and even if you do get taken off the poll tomorrow, I think by D4 people will be seeing in you what I am, and be ready to lynch you, and I think the results will be good.

Anyways, since you have the lead on this one, I'm moving to BWT, because I want to be able to vote for you tomorrow, at least right now.

[Tangrowth]

You know what? I still think llama could be civvie and am reading him as such, BUT, I'm moving my vote to BWT. Seeing as though it's a tie and I looked over both llama and BWT's posts, I'm willing to see how this rides out.

Nev, thoughts much appreciated. I agree, there are a few MR votes that should be examined further. THAT being said, however...

I have defended AP game after game, but I must admit, his posts and behavior here seem different to me. The post FZ. pointed out here:

Also, how long are we prepared to tolerate MrThomas' complete absence from the thread? I am starting to lose patience with him, personally.

I agree but do we really want to be lynching no-shows on day 3 or later? If he's civ that's a day wasted, if he's bad he's not contributing to his team anyway.

If he's bad he could be doing it on purpose and hoping that no one will waste their time lynching him.

In addition to his randomization vote of Dom in this poll AND his self-vote for himself last cycle (which seemed a bit forced to me) are painting a picture of contrast between what I would expect of civvie AP and what he's actually doing here.

Interestingly, Mongoose voted for AP, saying he was SO incredibly civvie, and then sort of backed off, and now she has given her vote to llama. I also think her behavior in this game differs from that of another one she is currently playing, and I am beginning to think she is much more apt to be bad in this one.

I'm splitting my OT comments into a separate post to be typed up momentarily.

[Tangrowth]

Oh, and I have to say I am feeling pretty good about S~V~S, Elo, and boo, and not so sure about Mongoose and Nev, so that's another reason behind my BWT vote switch.

Okay, OT coming up!

[Lizzy]

Also, how long are we prepared to tolerate MrThomas' complete absence from the thread? I am starting to lose patience with him, personally.

I agree but do we really want to be lynching no-shows on day 3 or later? If he's civ that's a day wasted, if he's bad he's not contributing to his team anyway.

If he's bad he could be doing it on purpose and hoping that no one will waste their time lynching him.

This sounds so much like something a baddie would say to push for someone's lynch.
If he hasn't posted for reasons that are not related to RL, I'd say he's overwhelmed. And if he's a baddie, it's much more likely that he doesn't know what to say, and not because he thinks we'll forget about him. As scum, it would be much better to just say something and vote someone to get people off your back. Look at how no one is paying attention to Lizzie. She said very little, then voted for herself, then I voted for her, and some people followed. Then, she comes back says that it gives her a reason to vote for one of the three. Does a weird elimination and votes, and then she's gone again. Is anyone even talking about her except me?

I'm paying attention to Lizzy but I trust her implicitly

And I trust you k

Also, I randomised KRussti in my head.

Also, I'm out of the country for a few days. I'll try to pop in if I can and am still alive.

[Tangrowth]

I just find it interesting Elo has had a complete 360

And you are going for a Ph.D in a mathematical field.

Real funny, yes, I fucked up. I obviously meant 180.

AND Accounting is not mathematics.

Yeah, most accountants just use words like "some," "a lot," and "not enough." Numbers are too hard.

Here's my impression of Alex advising a small business:
"You have to fire some employees because you're making not enough money to stay in business, and that sucks a lot."

Lol, this is awesome.

But seriously, accounting is so much more than mathematics. Yes, we analyze numbers, but it's just a means to an end as much as alphanumeric characters are in typing a mafia post. Obviously each post is made up of alphanumeric characters, but beyond that there is the understanding of linguistics, and beyond that there is understanding of the game, strategy, deception, articulation, etc. There is so much more grey in accounting (in all areas of it, even) than people realize and it is far from being a black and white mathematical calculational deal as is stereotypically perpetuated.

I always think of it as a language, to be honest -- what you're trying to accomplish is constantly improving and representing a universal language by which people can understand financial information and make decisions based off of it -- and while doing so clearly takes an understanding of mathematics, it's so incredibly rudimentary in that it's analogous to my example above. It's much more so about analyzing and interpreting than it is about calculating.

My Dad is a CPA and he describes himself as a "creative mathematician"

You remind me of him in some ways, MP

That description actually makes sense!

And I am going to assume that's a compliment, so thank you!

Could you imagine if parol was really decided by the inmates?

I know, right??? LOL. This is similar to that amazing post llama made in Meat Boy about if the justice system worked like a mafia game.

[thellama73]

You know what? I still think llama could be civvie and am reading him as such, BUT, I'm moving my vote to BWT.

And after I was nice enough to vote for you. I'm crushed

[A Person]

In addition to his randomization vote of Dom in this poll AND his self-vote for himself last cycle (which seemed a bit forced to me) are painting a picture of contrast between what I would expect of civvie AP and what he's actually doing here.

I changed it to Vomps btw

[A Person]

And I trust you k

I'll try to keep you alive k :o

[Lizzy]

And I trust you k

I'll try to keep you alive k :o

omgogmgog k

[birdwithteeth11]

Can anyone at all explain where all the vote for me tonight are coming from? Because I've honestly tried really hard to think of what I've done that's made me appear so civvie (I've missed both votes after all!) that I continue to keep getting votes. And I don't get the logic at all.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate it that so many people are confident in me. But the lack of explanation concerns me.

[boo]

Can anyone at all explain where all the vote for me tonight are coming from? Because I've honestly tried really hard to think of what I've done that's made me appear so civvie (I've missed both votes after all!) that I continue to keep getting votes. And I don't get the logic at all.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate it that so many people are confident in me. But the lack of explanation concerns me.

No idea. If it's any consolation, my vote for you isn't because I have any confidence in you. I struggle to understand how given your relative lack of participation, anyone, let alone 3 or 4 people can be this confident about you, but I suspect it's more of a chain of trust anyways, so I'm not sure they all independently really trust you as much as this makes it look like they do.

[Mongoose]

.

Interestingly, Mongoose voted for AP, saying he was SO incredibly civvie, and then sort of backed off, and now she has given her vote to llama.

I was thinking of my stance on Matt from the WWE game and totally got my feelings on him mixed up.I didn't feel a pulse in the thread that indicated anyone else would be gung ho for a Matt vote today, so I put it with llama. I can never read BWT, so I just can't take a chance on him today. Then later I realized I was thinking about Matt from WWE, so I would have changed my vote anyway.

[Mongoose]

Can anyone at all explain where all the vote for me tonight are coming from? Because I've honestly tried really hard to think of what I've done that's made me appear so civvie (I've missed both votes after all!) that I continue to keep getting votes. And I don't get the logic at all.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate it that so many people are confident in me. But the lack of explanation concerns me.

I've wondered this too. I have wondered if there's a role checker in there OR they want us to think there's a role checker in there.

[Tangrowth]

Can anyone at all explain where all the vote for me tonight are coming from? Because I've honestly tried really hard to think of what I've done that's made me appear so civvie (I've missed both votes after all!) that I continue to keep getting votes. And I don't get the logic at all.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate it that so many people are confident in me. But the lack of explanation concerns me.

Personally, I just want to see what happens.

I have a hard time believing you, SVS, and Elohcin are on a baddie team and made THIS ballsy of a move. Therefore, I was willing to shake things up and change my vote because I am trying to discern what's going on.

However, if the three of you are on a baddie team and made this ballsy of a move, then kudos!

[Tangrowth]

Can anyone at all explain where all the vote for me tonight are coming from? Because I've honestly tried really hard to think of what I've done that's made me appear so civvie (I've missed both votes after all!) that I continue to keep getting votes. And I don't get the logic at all.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate it that so many people are confident in me. But the lack of explanation concerns me.

I've wondered this too. I have wondered if there's a role checker in there OR they want us to think there's a role checker in there.

Comments like this make me think even more that llama may just be onto something with you.

[Mongoose]

Can anyone at all explain where all the vote for me tonight are coming from? Because I've honestly tried really hard to think of what I've done that's made me appear so civvie (I've missed both votes after all!) that I continue to keep getting votes. And I don't get the logic at all.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate it that so many people are confident in me. But the lack of explanation concerns me.

I've wondered this too. I have wondered if there's a role checker in there OR they want us to think there's a role checker in there.

Comments like this make me think even more that llama may just be onto something with you.

Comments like this just let you know that I'm not the role checker. They either have checked BWT and he pooped up civ or they just are insinuating they have to make us think he's kosher. And I'm on the fence about BWT so I can't chance it. Even though I'd wish Llama would expend his voracious energy elsewhere, he seems legit civ to me, despite his unquenchable thirst for my untainted blood. I have a few roles in mind for what he could be, and most are the C-word.

[Mongoose]

EBWOP:

I obviously meant "Civilian" by the C-word.

[A Person]

[boo]

Can anyone at all explain where all the vote for me tonight are coming from? Because I've honestly tried really hard to think of what I've done that's made me appear so civvie (I've missed both votes after all!) that I continue to keep getting votes. And I don't get the logic at all.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate it that so many people are confident in me. But the lack of explanation concerns me.

I've wondered this too. I have wondered if there's a role checker in there OR they want us to think there's a role checker in there.

Comments like this make me think even more that llama may just be onto something with you.

Comments like this just let you know that I'm not the role checker. They either have checked BWT and he pooped up civ or they just are insinuating they have to make us think he's kosher. And I'm on the fence about BWT so I can't chance it. Even though I'd wish Llama would expend his voracious energy elsewhere, he seems legit civ to me, despite his unquenchable thirst for my untainted blood. I have a few roles in mind for what he could be, and most are the C-word.

Right, but go actually read the RCer role (Brooks). It works by giving the role of the player the person votes for. That very much narrows things down, if you are right, and paints a target on a single person, which I believe is why MP has a problem with you pointing it out. If the baddies hadn't thought of it, you've done them a favour, and that hardly feels like civvie behavior. While I haven't followed llama's reasoning's for why you were bad prior to this, so I don't know what MP has seen in addition to this, this does not make me trust you, because it really only serves to harm the civvies.

[Mongoose]

Can anyone at all explain where all the vote for me tonight are coming from? Because I've honestly tried really hard to think of what I've done that's made me appear so civvie (I've missed both votes after all!) that I continue to keep getting votes. And I don't get the logic at all.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate it that so many people are confident in me. But the lack of explanation concerns me.

I've wondered this too. I have wondered if there's a role checker in there OR they want us to think there's a role checker in there.

Comments like this make me think even more that llama may just be onto something with you.

Comments like this just let you know that I'm not the role checker. They either have checked BWT and he pooped up civ or they just are insinuating they have to make us think he's kosher. And I'm on the fence about BWT so I can't chance it. Even though I'd wish Llama would expend his voracious energy elsewhere, he seems legit civ to me, despite his unquenchable thirst for my untainted blood. I have a few roles in mind for what he could be, and most are the C-word.

Right, but go actually read the RCer role (Brooks). It works by giving the role of the player the person votes for. That very much narrows things down, if you are right, and paints a target on a single person, which I believe is why MP has a problem with you pointing it out. If the baddies hadn't thought of it, you've done them a favour, and that hardly feels like civvie behavior. While I haven't followed llama's reasoning's for why you were bad prior to this, so I don't know what MP has seen in addition to this, this does not make me trust you, because it really only serves to harm the civvies.

I didn't read the RC role well enough, but if I had, and quoted it in my post, Llama would have felt that suspicious, which is where his concern about me comes from. Har. Anyway, I don't have anyone in mind for a RC role, so you have all thought that part through more than I have. Actually after you pointed that out, I think they could have gotten information through another role, but I'm not stating it here (I bet you all can easily infer on what I'm speculating), but I don't want to announce it to the thread in the event that it does paint a target on this person's back.

[thellama73]

Rob: If there is a tie in this poll, will both parties receive the benefit, will neither, or will it be selected at random?

[Epignosis]

Rob: If there is a tie in this poll, will both parties receive the benefit, will neither, or will it be selected at random?

The chairman of the parole board will decide. I hear his name is Simon...

[Epignosis]

Also, I am at work until 8pm EST today. For that reason, the post won't come until after I arrive home.

[FZ.]

Also, how long are we prepared to tolerate MrThomas' complete absence from the thread? I am starting to lose patience with him, personally.

I agree but do we really want to be lynching no-shows on day 3 or later? If he's civ that's a day wasted, if he's bad he's not contributing to his team anyway.

If he's bad he could be doing it on purpose and hoping that no one will waste their time lynching him.

This sounds so much like something a baddie would say to push for someone's lynch.
If he hasn't posted for reasons that are not related to RL, I'd say he's overwhelmed. And if he's a baddie, it's much more likely that he doesn't know what to say, and not because he thinks we'll forget about him. As scum, it would be much better to just say something and vote someone to get people off your back. Look at how no one is paying attention to Lizzie. She said very little, then voted for herself, then I voted for her, and some people followed. Then, she comes back says that it gives her a reason to vote for one of the three. Does a weird elimination and votes, and then she's gone again. Is anyone even talking about her except me?

I'm paying attention to Lizzy but I trust her implicitly

See? That proves my point even more

[Mongoose]

Rob: If there is a tie in this poll, will both parties receive the benefit, will neither, or will it be selected at random?

The chairman of the parole board will decide. I hear his name is Simon...

Aww, Simon! Yay!

[FZ.]

Hey, where do I find the keep me signed in option?

[boo]

Hey, where do I find the keep me signed in option?

press log out, press log in, there's a stereo button that says log me in automatically, check it off, then log in.

[FZ.]

So my only real options are BWT and llama. What should I do?

Say baddies have to decide who to vote for, what strategy do they employ?
They can try to vote for one of their own, but it only works if that person gets a few votes, so they wait and see. But still, not sure how bold they'd be.
Their next option would be to vote for someone who people view as a civ thus, looking better for being so altruistic.
lastly, they can vote for themselves, because who can blame a person for wanting to avoid a lynch, if that's what it is?

5 people voted for BWT in this order- Elo, BWT, SVS, MP and Boo.
Out of the 5, Elo, just had an epiphany, BWT voted for himself and said that he would be willing to change if we reached a consensus on someone being a civ, SVS suddenly decided that she wants to view him after Elo voted for him and on a second read said she trusted him most as well, and even added as a reply to me asking something, that for all the baddies know, those three could be a very bold different group of baddies. MP said he's moving his vote because he trusts SVS and Elo more than he does Mongoose, and Boo...well, I have no idea why he voted for BWT.

I think this has more of a chance to be a bold baddie vote whereas the votes for llama have more of a possibility of baddies voting for a townie and wanting to look good. Maybe both votes are of the latter kind. But I can see Elo, SVS and BWT plotting and deciding to do this. Does it sound that far fetched? Maybe, lol

Anyway, I think I feel more comfortable voting for llama for these reasons

[FZ.]

Hey, where do I find the keep me signed in option?

press log out, press log in, there's a stereo button that says log me in automatically, check it off, then log in.

Thanks

[thellama73]

Since Simon is the arbiter of justice, and since I've met Simon and like my odds, and since I want a reward,and since MP abandoned me after I was nice to him, I am switching my vote from MP to myself.

[Mongoose]

Lizzy, Matt -- will you consider switching your votes to Llama?

[Elohcin]

Also, how long are we prepared to tolerate MrThomas' complete absence from the thread? I am starting to lose patience with him, personally.

I agree but do we really want to be lynching no-shows on day 3 or later? If he's civ that's a day wasted, if he's bad he's not contributing to his team anyway.

He has shown up, he's voted. He's just never posted.

He hasn't voted in every pole though, right? And...even though he is absent, (if he is a baddie) his team can still use his power if they are sending in group PMs, yes?

[S~V~S]

FZ you are determined to misinterpret me Lol. My point about the opposing baddie teams was in response to your implication that there was target painting going on.

Like I said I have reason to think Teef is not bad. I could be wrong, but my own experience with him makes me think I am not.

[birdwithteeth11]

5 people voted for BWT in this order- Elo, BWT, SVS, MP and Boo.
Out of the 5, Elo, just had an epiphany, BWT voted for himself and said that he would be willing to change if we reached a consensus on someone being a civ, SVS suddenly decided that she wants to view him after Elo voted for him and on a second read said she trusted him most as well, and even added as a reply to me asking something, that for all the baddies know, those three could be a very bold different group of baddies. MP said he's moving his vote because he trusts SVS and Elo more than he does Mongoose, and Boo...well, I have no idea why he voted for BWT.

I think this has more of a chance to be a bold baddie vote whereas the votes for llama have more of a possibility of baddies voting for a townie and wanting to look good. Maybe both votes are of the latter kind. But I can see Elo, SVS and BWT plotting and deciding to do this. Does it sound that far fetched? Maybe, lol

When I'm a baddie, I am all about distancing from my teammates and throwing them under the bus. If Elo and SVS were my baddie teammates, I would be yelling and screaming at them in BTSC chat to change their votes to someone else.

However, I don't think that necessarily rules out that one or both of them could be bad. Because out of everyone who has voted for me, they're the main two I think are worth looking at.

[S~V~S]

And why would that be?

[Elohcin]

5 people voted for BWT in this order- Elo, BWT, SVS, MP and Boo.
Out of the 5, Elo, just had an epiphany, BWT voted for himself and said that he would be willing to change if we reached a consensus on someone being a civ, SVS suddenly decided that she wants to view him after Elo voted for him and on a second read said she trusted him most as well, and even added as a reply to me asking something, that for all the baddies know, those three could be a very bold different group of baddies. MP said he's moving his vote because he trusts SVS and Elo more than he does Mongoose, and Boo...well, I have no idea why he voted for BWT.

I think this has more of a chance to be a bold baddie vote whereas the votes for llama have more of a possibility of baddies voting for a townie and wanting to look good. Maybe both votes are of the latter kind. But I can see Elo, SVS and BWT plotting and deciding to do this. Does it sound that far fetched? Maybe, lol

When I'm a baddie, I am all about distancing from my teammates and throwing them under the bus. If Elo and SVS were my baddie teammates, I would be yelling and screaming at them in BTSC chat to change their votes to someone else.

However, I don't think that necessarily rules out that one or both of them could be bad. Because out of everyone who has voted for me, they're the main two I think are worth looking at.

Why do you want to look at me for thinking you are civ?.

[S~V~S]

Yeah remind me not to send Mr Grateful a Christmas gift this year ~

[FZ.]

Also, how long are we prepared to tolerate MrThomas' complete absence from the thread? I am starting to lose patience with him, personally.

I agree but do we really want to be lynching no-shows on day 3 or later? If he's civ that's a day wasted, if he's bad he's not contributing to his team anyway.

He has shown up, he's voted. He's just never posted.

He hasn't voted in every pole though, right? And...even though he is absent, (if he is a baddie) his team can still use his power if they are sending in group PMs, yes?

I don't know what to think of the fact he hasn't posted anything yet voted at least one. That said, I'm uneasy with people subtly trying to convince us of the advantage of seeing him as a baddie

[FZ.]

5 people voted for BWT in this order- Elo, BWT, SVS, MP and Boo.
Out of the 5, Elo, just had an epiphany, BWT voted for himself and said that he would be willing to change if we reached a consensus on someone being a civ, SVS suddenly decided that she wants to view him after Elo voted for him and on a second read said she trusted him most as well, and even added as a reply to me asking something, that for all the baddies know, those three could be a very bold different group of baddies. MP said he's moving his vote because he trusts SVS and Elo more than he does Mongoose, and Boo...well, I have no idea why he voted for BWT.

I think this has more of a chance to be a bold baddie vote whereas the votes for llama have more of a possibility of baddies voting for a townie and wanting to look good. Maybe both votes are of the latter kind. But I can see Elo, SVS and BWT plotting and deciding to do this. Does it sound that far fetched? Maybe, lol

When I'm a baddie, I am all about distancing from my teammates and throwing them under the bus. If Elo and SVS were my baddie teammates, I would be yelling and screaming at them in BTSC chat to change their votes to someone else.

However, I don't think that necessarily rules out that one or both of them could be bad. Because out of everyone who has voted for me, they're the main two I think are worth looking at.

I noticed
Why do you think these two and not the other two?

[boo]

Also, how long are we prepared to tolerate MrThomas' complete absence from the thread? I am starting to lose patience with him, personally.

I agree but do we really want to be lynching no-shows on day 3 or later? If he's civ that's a day wasted, if he's bad he's not contributing to his team anyway.

He has shown up, he's voted. He's just never posted.

He hasn't voted in every pole though, right? And...even though he is absent, (if he is a baddie) his team can still use his power if they are sending in group PMs, yes?

I think he's only voted once. I asked at the beginning of the game, and Epi said he would accept (and prefers) group PMs, so yes, they'd be able to use his power even if he weren't around.