Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

[Golden]

@MacDougall Can you check your DM's from me on discord? I need to know if I have your approval before I upload the banners

Shit like this bothers me.

If you're bad, you have a chat room to pass this message along.

If you are not bad (or even if you are not), you have the private message function.

So why does it bother you?

[MacDougall]

Daisy - I fully trust you.

That’s what an iso does for you.

Alright, on to the next thing.

So there is no benefit that you can perceive of making the rest of us aware of the logic behind your deduction? Does it only suit you and/or her to know this much of the information while the rest of us scrunch our faces at such gratuity?

[Spacedaisy]

@MacDougall Can you check your DM's from me on discord? I need to know if I have your approval before I upload the banners

Shit like this bothers me.

If you're bad, you have a chat room to pass this message along.

If you are not bad (or even if you are not), you have the private message function.

Just like you have the private message function to send me one asking me to not put OT messages in the game if you don’t fucking like it. Idgaf. It doesn’t hurt you or anyone else to scroll past a fucking post. Get over it. Or take it to a mod.

Moving on.

[ColinIsCool]

Do we really think there are three town-aligned doctors in this game?

[ColinIsCool]

Daisy - I fully trust you.

That’s what an iso does for you.

Alright, on to the next thing.

So there is no benefit that you can perceive of making the rest of us aware of the logic behind your deduction? Does it only suit you and/or her to know this much of the information while the rest of us scrunch our faces at such gratuity?

Co-sign.

[MacDougall]

Do we really think there are three town-aligned doctors in this game?

My role doesn't preclude, nay, it in fact possibly implies the presence of one or more other doctors.

[Golden]

Daisy - I fully trust you.

That’s what an iso does for you.

Alright, on to the next thing.

So there is no benefit that you can perceive of making the rest of us aware of the logic behind your deduction? Does it only suit you and/or her to know this much of the information while the rest of us scrunch our faces at such gratuity?

This is kind of funny given how opposed you were to me outing Scotty.

There’s benefit, outweighed in this case by other factors. I might say later in the game but not in this phase.

[Kylemii]

i mean it's great and fun and cool but not particularly beneficial mechanically speaking. assuming TH is telling the truth. if there's anything to indicate that he's lying from my angle, it's that.

but then again i feel like a mafia TH would have picked a less risky wincon to try to fake? so that's why i support letting him get his win and then just.... seeing what happens i guess. even though it would mean losing my btscpal

[ColinIsCool]

Do we really think there are three town-aligned doctors in this game?

My role doesn't preclude, nay, it in fact possibly implies the presence of one or more other doctors.

Does it imply the presence of a scum doctor in the same fashion?

[ColinIsCool]

Or could it, rather?

[MacDougall]

Do we really think there are three town-aligned doctors in this game?

My role doesn't preclude, nay, it in fact possibly implies the presence of one or more other doctors.

Does it imply the presence of a scum doctor in the same fashion?

Not really. It doesn't do the counter though.

[Quin]

counterpoint?

it's weird as hell to put an indie and civ randomly in btsc together, like the btsc isn't even what my role is about, it doesn't have anything to do with TH's role either apparently, it seems to just be a thing that happened cus our characters are both grumpy dudes.

but like,.... if turnip head is telling the truth about his role and wincon then this is an odd choice for a masonic group, it's not as helpful as a true masonry but it's not as dangerous as a true mixmason either, it's just me kinda using Turniphead as a sounding board for ideas and crazy theories like about how maybe everyone else is paired off into masons too and talking about our favorite breakfast cereals.

it's kinda great actually

No. I am lonely.

[MacDougall]

Daisy - I fully trust you.

That’s what an iso does for you.

Alright, on to the next thing.

So there is no benefit that you can perceive of making the rest of us aware of the logic behind your deduction? Does it only suit you and/or her to know this much of the information while the rest of us scrunch our faces at such gratuity?

This is kind of funny given how opposed you were to me outing Scotty.

There’s benefit, outweighed in this case by other factors. I might say later in the game but not in this phase.

How so? So you are suggesting that in your ISO you found evidence of a role claim by Daisy?

[MacDougall]

counterpoint?

it's weird as hell to put an indie and civ randomly in btsc together, like the btsc isn't even what my role is about, it doesn't have anything to do with TH's role either apparently, it seems to just be a thing that happened cus our characters are both grumpy dudes.

but like,.... if turnip head is telling the truth about his role and wincon then this is an odd choice for a masonic group, it's not as helpful as a true masonry but it's not as dangerous as a true mixmason either, it's just me kinda using Turniphead as a sounding board for ideas and crazy theories like about how maybe everyone else is paired off into masons too and talking about our favorite breakfast cereals.

it's kinda great actually

No. I am lonely.

Were you and nutella Masoned?

[Quin]

Do we really think there are three town-aligned doctors in this game?

nah

[Quin]

counterpoint?

it's weird as hell to put an indie and civ randomly in btsc together, like the btsc isn't even what my role is about, it doesn't have anything to do with TH's role either apparently, it seems to just be a thing that happened cus our characters are both grumpy dudes.

but like,.... if turnip head is telling the truth about his role and wincon then this is an odd choice for a masonic group, it's not as helpful as a true masonry but it's not as dangerous as a true mixmason either, it's just me kinda using Turniphead as a sounding board for ideas and crazy theories like about how maybe everyone else is paired off into masons too and talking about our favorite breakfast cereals.

it's kinda great actually

No. I am lonely.

Were you and nutella Masoned?

no actually

[Kylemii]

counterpoint?

it's weird as hell to put an indie and civ randomly in btsc together, like the btsc isn't even what my role is about, it doesn't have anything to do with TH's role either apparently, it seems to just be a thing that happened cus our characters are both grumpy dudes.

but like,.... if turnip head is telling the truth about his role and wincon then this is an odd choice for a masonic group, it's not as helpful as a true masonry but it's not as dangerous as a true mixmason either, it's just me kinda using Turniphead as a sounding board for ideas and crazy theories like about how maybe everyone else is paired off into masons too and talking about our favorite breakfast cereals.

it's kinda great actually

No. I am lonely.

sorry the theory was that everyone else was also masons, us talking about cereal was a separate thing. if everyone in the game had a btsc chat where they specifically talked about cereal that would be a crazy coincidence

[Golden]

Daisy - I fully trust you.

That’s what an iso does for you.

Alright, on to the next thing.

So there is no benefit that you can perceive of making the rest of us aware of the logic behind your deduction? Does it only suit you and/or her to know this much of the information while the rest of us scrunch our faces at such gratuity?

This is kind of funny given how opposed you were to me outing Scotty.

There’s benefit, outweighed in this case by other factors. I might say later in the game but not in this phase.

How so? So you are suggesting that in your ISO you found evidence of a role claim by Daisy?

Evidence of an ability claim that only I would be able to interpret, yes.

[MacDougall]

counterpoint?

it's weird as hell to put an indie and civ randomly in btsc together, like the btsc isn't even what my role is about, it doesn't have anything to do with TH's role either apparently, it seems to just be a thing that happened cus our characters are both grumpy dudes.

but like,.... if turnip head is telling the truth about his role and wincon then this is an odd choice for a masonic group, it's not as helpful as a true masonry but it's not as dangerous as a true mixmason either, it's just me kinda using Turniphead as a sounding board for ideas and crazy theories like about how maybe everyone else is paired off into masons too and talking about our favorite breakfast cereals.

it's kinda great actually

No. I am lonely.

Were you and nutella Masoned?

no actually

Do you have a rational explanation aside from coincidence that explains why you and her seemed so aligned in this game?

[MacDougall]

Daisy - I fully trust you.

That’s what an iso does for you.

Alright, on to the next thing.

So there is no benefit that you can perceive of making the rest of us aware of the logic behind your deduction? Does it only suit you and/or her to know this much of the information while the rest of us scrunch our faces at such gratuity?

This is kind of funny given how opposed you were to me outing Scotty.

There’s benefit, outweighed in this case by other factors. I might say later in the game but not in this phase.

How so? So you are suggesting that in your ISO you found evidence of a role claim by Daisy?

Evidence of an ability claim that only I would be able to interpret, yes.

[MacDougall]

Golden: I can town confirm Scotty. My role has no other utility.

*nutella dies*

Golden: I can town confirm Spacedaisy and only I could do it.

Golden, if you were one of us how would you deal with this information coming from, say, Quin?

[Epignosis]

Epi, why’d you go for bribery?

I already said I'm greedy.

[ColinIsCool]

Mac and I are braintwinning right now, for real

[MacDougall]

Also why is it that you were so liberal with townfirming Scotty who according to you the townconfirming of is your explicit and only function but withholding the revelations pertaining to Spacedaisy? Why the inconsistency?

[Golden]

Golden: I can town confirm Scotty. My role has no other utility.

*nutella dies*

Golden: I can town confirm Spacedaisy and only I could do it.

Golden, if you were one of us how would you deal with this information coming from, say, Quin?

How did I deal with Quin's information coming from Quin?

I listened, thought about what logical reasons he could have for the claim from various alignments, settled on trusting it, and burned sig to the ground.

My role has nothing to do with Daisy's claim or why I trust it.

How you want to handle what I say is up to you.

[Golden]

Also why is it that you were so liberal with townfirming Scotty who according to you the townconfirming of is your explicit and only function but withholding the revelations pertaining to Spacedaisy? Why the inconsistency?

Why the inconsistency in that you suspect me no matter which way I choose to handle information?

[MacDougall]

Also why is it that you were so liberal with townfirming Scotty who according to you the townconfirming of is your explicit and only function but withholding the revelations pertaining to Spacedaisy? Why the inconsistency?

Why the inconsistency in that you suspect me no matter which way I choose to handle information?

So you chose to be inconsistent strictly because I will suspect you either way?

What kind of bullshit ...

If you have found evidence of Spacedaisy's towniness, just reveal it and you have yourself a public three player town bloc. The scum are pretty cooked from there on in.

[ColinIsCool]

Golden, when you say “only I would be able to interpret it” ... what does that mean?

[MacDougall]

Golden, my guy, I am doing nothing but trying to UNDERSTAND you. I would love nothing more than for you to be right about both of them to the point where I accept it.

[Quin]

counterpoint?

it's weird as hell to put an indie and civ randomly in btsc together, like the btsc isn't even what my role is about, it doesn't have anything to do with TH's role either apparently, it seems to just be a thing that happened cus our characters are both grumpy dudes.

but like,.... if turnip head is telling the truth about his role and wincon then this is an odd choice for a masonic group, it's not as helpful as a true masonry but it's not as dangerous as a true mixmason either, it's just me kinda using Turniphead as a sounding board for ideas and crazy theories like about how maybe everyone else is paired off into masons too and talking about our favorite breakfast cereals.

it's kinda great actually

No. I am lonely.

Were you and nutella Masoned?

no actually

Do you have a rational explanation aside from coincidence that explains why you and her seemed so aligned in this game?

Not really. I like to think that nutella and I have the capacity to be on a similar wavelength at least. So probably that. I might just be talking out of my ass though.

[Spacedaisy]

Kyle, I find the claim questionable. 1. It's a really easy win con. 2. It's weird to put a civ into BTSC with an indy who's only win con is to predict a couple night poll outcomes. Seems more likely a set up to use you for credibility to me. What happens if TH predicts two outcomes and then suddenly gains an extra power or becomes like Lynch immune or something of that nature? There is a danger in just sitting back and watching if he goes away, it may be that he is wanting us to wait until it's too late. This concerns me.

I really don't understand why claims get so readily accepted by some. This is closed set up with no flips. frankly a sacrifice of a single baddie with a false claim can easily lead to multiple civ mislynches. Because we can't prove or disapprove a damn thing. Mac is basing his reads of who is scum upon sig. While I agree that I think sig looked bad, sig frequently looks bad and isn't. The point here is that we don't know anything. I think sig was probably bad too, but I don't know it and I'm not about to go lynch people just because they voted him in a stupid night poll.

Mac, I proved myself to him. It had nothing to do with his role.

Golden, I was starting to worry about you.

In case you can't tell, I don't believe most of the stuff people are saying.

[Golden]

Also why is it that you were so liberal with townfirming Scotty who according to you the townconfirming of is your explicit and only function but withholding the revelations pertaining to Spacedaisy? Why the inconsistency?

Why the inconsistency in that you suspect me no matter which way I choose to handle information?

So you chose to be inconsistent strictly because I will suspect you either way?

What kind of bullshit ...

If you have found evidence of Spacedaisy's towniness, just reveal it and you have yourself a public three player town bloc. The scum are pretty cooked from there on in.

I'm not going to bow to your pressure, Mac. I always think through my decisions around info and have good reasons for taking the decisions I choose. None of them are about you.

I have a three player town bloc from my perspective. I don't need your permission for it, although I'd beseech Scotty and Daisy to trust each other on the strength of how accurate I've been about them individually. You, Mac, can choose to trust me or not.

[Quin]

I have a one person town block. That person isn't me. I've learned not to trust even myself.

[Golden]

Golden, my guy, I am doing nothing but trying to UNDERSTAND you. I would love nothing more than for you to be right about both of them to the point where I accept it.

I think your choice about whether or not you accept it needs to be based on whether you think I am town or not.

I'll do everything I can to prove that but I can't say anything more about the Daisy thing.

[Golden]

I have a one person town block. That person isn't me. I've learned not to trust even myself.

Is it TH?

[Quin]

I have a one person town block. That person isn't me. I've learned not to trust even myself.

Is it TH?

I don't know. I prioritised the joke over the follow-up.

[Golden]

Golden, when you say “only I would be able to interpret it” ... what does that mean?

Not answering this one either.

[Epignosis]

@MacDougall Can you check your DM's from me on discord? I need to know if I have your approval before I upload the banners

Shit like this bothers me.

If you're bad, you have a chat room to pass this message along.

If you are not bad (or even if you are not), you have the private message function.

So why does it bother you?

Putting shit like that in a game thread makes it look like you aren't teammates.

[ColinIsCool]

I reread Daisy’s ISO and I just have more questions than answers, but fine, y’all play in your special club

[Epignosis]

@MacDougall Can you check your DM's from me on discord? I need to know if I have your approval before I upload the banners

Shit like this bothers me.

If you're bad, you have a chat room to pass this message along.

If you are not bad (or even if you are not), you have the private message function.

Just like you have the private message function to send me one asking me to not put OT messages in the game if you don’t fucking like it. Idgaf. It doesn’t hurt you or anyone else to scroll past a fucking post. Get over it. Or take it to a mod.

Moving on.

Don't tell me to take something to the mod. If you put something in this thread, and I think it's relevant, I'll comment on it.

[Golden]

@MacDougall Can you check your DM's from me on discord? I need to know if I have your approval before I upload the banners

Shit like this bothers me.

If you're bad, you have a chat room to pass this message along.

If you are not bad (or even if you are not), you have the private message function.

So why does it bother you?

Putting shit like that in a game thread makes it look like you aren't teammates.

Tactics like that are so 2015. Most likely answer is that it's simply easy to put it in a place where Mac and Daisy both currently are.

And, like, there's soooo much evidence daisy and mac aren't teammates that it would sink the titanic.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

[Spacedaisy]

Also, I already set aside my suspicion of Scotty on your say so, so don't sweat over me. It's Scotty you might have to convince, lol.

I want to move my vote off Kyle, but I'm unsure where I want to put it.

Epi, it's insulting to me that you think I would utilize the OT color for a game strategy. That is an out of bounds move imo. Whether I am bad or good I would never ever put game strategy into OT green. It's a shitty accusation.

[Golden]

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Get your votes of Daisy, y'all. [mention]Scotty[/mention] especially.

[ColinIsCool]

Anybody else wanna half-roleclaim or say some cryptic shit before I go to bed? I’m sure somebody out there can confuse me even more

[Quin]

Kyle, I find the claim questionable. 1. It's a really easy win con. 2. It's weird to put a civ into BTSC with an indy who's only win con is to predict a couple night poll outcomes. Seems more likely a set up to use you for credibility to me. What happens if TH predicts two outcomes and then suddenly gains an extra power or becomes like Lynch immune or something of that nature? There is a danger in just sitting back and watching if he goes away, it may be that he is wanting us to wait until it's too late. This concerns me.

I really don't understand why claims get so readily accepted by some. This is closed set up with no flips. frankly a sacrifice of a single baddie with a false claim can easily lead to multiple civ mislynches. Because we can't prove or disapprove a damn thing. Mac is basing his reads of who is scum upon sig. While I agree that I think sig looked bad, sig frequently looks bad and isn't. The point here is that we don't know anything. I think sig was probably bad too, but I don't know it and I'm not about to go lynch people just because they voted him in a stupid night poll.

Mac, I proved myself to him. It had nothing to do with his role.

Golden, I was starting to worry about you.

In case you can't tell, I don't believe most of the stuff people are saying.

You thought sig was bad but you would vote for me if both sig and INH were gone. You think sig was my teammate?

[Golden]

Whether I am bad or good I would never ever put game strategy into OT green. It's a shitty accusation.

Epi hasn't made a single accusation with merit in the entire game in my opinion.

It's why this is the second day in a row I'm voting for him. He feels more like a parody of himself to me. It could just be a function of time.

[Spacedaisy]

Quin, if I wanted to vote you, i would. My point is that there is no way for me to be sure of anything. We don't even know for sure sig WAS bad. The reason I'm not voting you is because I lean toward the idea that sig probably was.

[Quin]

Quin, if I wanted to vote you, i would. My point is that there is no way for me to be sure of anything. We don't even know for sure sig WAS bad. The reason I'm not voting you is because I lean toward the idea that sig probably was.

But you'd lynch me if sig wasn't on the poll. So you'd lynch me before sig just because he wasn't on the poll.

[Golden]

You shouldn't worry until after I read the thread, daisy. I don't have time to read every post as it happens any more, isos are necessary for me to see everything.