Retrocausality Mafia - ENDGAME: A Reprieve in the Desert

[Golden]

th's prediction getting the pip legassi is pro town at the very least in that i think the recipient would be town

What has he promised you in that infernal sex cave to make you his damn press secretary?

im doing this on my own cus it's the practical and humane way to deal with turnip head's claim

Who did TH predict should win? Did he predict someone sensible, or did he predict himself?

[Golden]

Voted for myself

[ColinIsCool]

You are constantly jumping at the chance to tell everyone how nice Turbup is and why we should line up to give him a big sloppy kiss. You’re more interested in preserving him than you have been in lynching scum.

[Quin]

oh shit i voted for scotty by accident

[Kylemii]

th's prediction getting the pip legassi is pro town at the very least in that i think the recipient would be town

What has he promised you in that infernal sex cave to make you his damn press secretary?

im doing this on my own cus it's the practical and humane way to deal with turnip head's claim

Who did TH predict should win? Did he predict someone sensible, or did he predict himself?

he predicted you actually

[Golden]

Question Quin, since you've claimed to be 'the real cop's message boy'.

Was the sig/inh dilemma real, or did the cop just give you sig's alignment?

[Golden]

PS the real cop should be finding out if I'm aligned with colin tbh.

[ColinIsCool]

PS the real cop should be finding out if I'm aligned with colin tbh.

Make a coherent case on me, champ, and maybe they will.

[Golden]

PS the real cop should be finding out if I'm aligned with colin tbh.

Make a coherent case on me, champ, and maybe they will.

Why waste my effort making a coherent case when the cop could just check the pair of us out and see?

[Quin]

Question Quin, since you've claimed to be 'the real cop's message boy'.

Was the sig/inh dilemma real, or did the cop just give you sig's alignment?

The sig/inh dilemma was real. The message boy bit wasn't.

[ColinIsCool]

PS the real cop should be finding out if I'm aligned with colin tbh.

Make a coherent case on me, champ, and maybe they will.

Why waste my effort making a coherent case when the cop could just check the pair of us out and see?

Because then you’ll realize there isn’t a coherent case against me.

[Kylemii]

You are constantly jumping at the chance to tell everyone how nice Turbup is and why we should line up to give him a big sloppy kiss. You’re more interested in preserving him than you have been in lynching scum.

you're funny

do you expect me to just drop everything the moment you say you think turnip head is mafia? i've been incredibly clear with my views, we can lynch him if his very easily testable claim turns out to be untrue. I don't understand why you're so opposed to just doing it? just testing his claim? it takes 0 effort to do?

[Golden]

PS the real cop should be finding out if I'm aligned with colin tbh.

Make a coherent case on me, champ, and maybe they will.

Why waste my effort making a coherent case when the cop could just check the pair of us out and see?

Because then you’ll realize there isn’t a coherent case against me.

In that case, why are you fighting me when I'm suggesting a cop check?

[ColinIsCool]

You are constantly jumping at the chance to tell everyone how nice Turbup is and why we should line up to give him a big sloppy kiss. You’re more interested in preserving him than you have been in lynching scum.

you're funny

do you expect me to just drop everything the moment you say you think turnip head is mafia? i've been incredibly clear with my views, we can lynch him if his very easily testable claim turns out to be untrue. I don't understand why you're so opposed to just doing it? just testing his claim? it takes 0 effort to do?

We are going around in circles. You don’t understand me. I don’t understand you. The rest of the game apparently doesn’t give a shit. Oh well.

[Epignosis]

You all are funny.

[Kylemii]

essentially, voting to elect golden tonight has the same end result as lynching turnip head tomorrow.

either turniphead is telling the truth and he gets his easy win and vanishes and we know he was indie, or we find out he was lying, we lynch him day 3 and then he vanishes and we know he was mafia.

if you have a better way of dealing with his claim then let me know

[ColinIsCool]

PS the real cop should be finding out if I'm aligned with colin tbh.

Make a coherent case on me, champ, and maybe they will.

Why waste my effort making a coherent case when the cop could just check the pair of us out and see?

Because then you’ll realize there isn’t a coherent case against me.

In that case, why are you fighting me when I'm suggesting a cop check?

I’m not fighting that possibility. I invite it. I’m fighting you on the grounds of being loud and wrong, which are two qualities that bode very, very poorly for us if we’re on the same team.

[Golden]

essentially, voting to elect golden tonight has the same end result as lynching turnip head tomorrow.

either turniphead is telling the truth and he gets his easy win and vanishes and we know he was indie, or we find out he was lying, we lynch him day 3 and then he vanishes and we know he was mafia.

if you have a better way of dealing with his claim then let me know

I am not dealing with TH's claim by letting him win an item.

If he wanted to successfully guess tonight he should have picked someone other than himself. This is like the part that Daisy opposed strongly, and on this I agree. I'm fine testing his claim, but I'm not electing him to have other advantages. I'd sooner have lynched him yesterday and not tested his claim at all than let him win an item, and for him to think he could win an election under current circumstances is his own fault.

[Golden]

two qualities that bode very, very poorly for us if we’re on the same team.

You just did that thing epi said inh did.

And yes, you are fighting me on it. If you're town, you'd go 'oh yeah, great idea'.

You're trying to propose to the cop that they only check you if I give them a valid reason. Just no.

[ColinIsCool]

essentially, voting to elect golden tonight has the same end result as lynching turnip head tomorrow.

either turniphead is telling the truth and he gets his easy win and vanishes and we know he was indie, or we find out he was lying, we lynch him day 3 and then he vanishes and we know he was mafia.

if you have a better way of dealing with his claim then let me know

My concern is that he’s not fighting for a wincon, but something else (read: bad). My preference at this point is to ignore him.

[MacDougall]

I insist that Epi wins

Why?

I'd prefer someone I know I can trust to someone I think I can trust.

It's alcohol and Epi likes alcohol. It's a nice gesture.

[Golden]

I insist that Epi wins

Why?

I'd prefer someone I know I can trust to someone I think I can trust.

It's alcohol and Epi likes alcohol. It's a nice gesture.

If he wants to drink golden nectar, that's on him.

[Turnip Head]

Golden really doesn't want to buy me a drink

[Kylemii]

We are going around in circles. You don’t understand me. I don’t understand you. The rest of the game apparently doesn’t give a shit. Oh well.

i understand you i just think my idea is a more practical solution that's eats up fewer resources.

it seems like sig and/or lunalee might have been mafia so it's not super dire if we do end up using a lynch on turnip head just in case, I just think it'd be cool if we didn't have to do that, without it being necessary.

[MacDougall]

oh shit i voted for scotty by accident

I meant to vote for Epi and it ended up on Golden somehow?

This game is having some uncanny weirdness.

[Golden]

Golden really doesn't want to buy me a drink

I will actively vote to prevent you from winning it.

Why didn't you just guess someone in the town core? What possessed you to predict yourself?

[Golden]

oh shit i voted for scotty by accident

I meant to vote for Epi and it ended up on Golden somehow?

This game is having some uncanny weirdness.

You both voted fine. Speed changed the poll, moving Choutas from the top down to being sprityo below your votes.

[Kylemii]

essentially, voting to elect golden tonight has the same end result as lynching turnip head tomorrow.

either turniphead is telling the truth and he gets his easy win and vanishes and we know he was indie, or we find out he was lying, we lynch him day 3 and then he vanishes and we know he was mafia.

if you have a better way of dealing with his claim then let me know

I am not dealing with TH's claim by letting him win an item.

If he wanted to successfully guess tonight he should have picked someone other than himself. This is like the part that Daisy opposed strongly, and on this I agree. I'm fine testing his claim, but I'm not electing him to have other advantages. I'd sooner have lynched him yesterday and not tested his claim at all than let him win an item, and for him to think he could win an election under current circumstances is his own fault.

he didn't pick himself (Turnip Head), he picked you (Golden)

[ColinIsCool]

two qualities that bode very, very poorly for us if we’re on the same team.

You just did that thing epi said inh did.

And yes, you are fighting me on it. If you're town, you'd go 'oh yeah, great idea'.

You're trying to propose to the cop that they only check you if I give them a valid reason. Just no.

I don’t understand the top allegation.

As far as the rest, ease off the gas big guy. You are seeing only what you want to see right now. I literally just said “look at me, cop.” Shut up.

[MacDougall]

oh shit i voted for scotty by accident

I meant to vote for Epi and it ended up on Golden somehow?

This game is having some uncanny weirdness.

You both voted fine. Speed changed the poll, moving Choutas from the top down to being sprityo below your votes.

When I did that in U-Pick it just reset the poll entirely and forced ppl to revote.

[ColinIsCool]

I’m voting Mac btw because that’s who I predicted.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

[Kylemii]

essentially, voting to elect golden tonight has the same end result as lynching turnip head tomorrow.

either turniphead is telling the truth and he gets his easy win and vanishes and we know he was indie, or we find out he was lying, we lynch him day 3 and then he vanishes and we know he was mafia.

if you have a better way of dealing with his claim then let me know

My concern is that he’s not fighting for a wincon, but something else (read: bad). My preference at this point is to ignore him.

what is "something else"? do you think "something else" is something strong enough that it would be worth him dying immediately

[speedchuck]

oh shit i voted for scotty by accident

I meant to vote for Epi and it ended up on Golden somehow?

This game is having some uncanny weirdness.

You both voted fine. Speed changed the poll, moving Choutas from the top down to being sprityo below your votes.

When I did that in U-Pick it just reset the poll entirely and forced ppl to revote.

I thought that was what it would do.

Knowing that it's fine if I don't change the number is useful. If that's what is happening.

[ColinIsCool]

essentially, voting to elect golden tonight has the same end result as lynching turnip head tomorrow.

either turniphead is telling the truth and he gets his easy win and vanishes and we know he was indie, or we find out he was lying, we lynch him day 3 and then he vanishes and we know he was mafia.

if you have a better way of dealing with his claim then let me know

My concern is that he’s not fighting for a wincon, but something else (read: bad). My preference at this point is to ignore him.

what is "something else"? do you think "something else" is something strong enough that it would be worth him dying immediately

I think possibly it could mean not dying immediately somehow.

[Golden]

essentially, voting to elect golden tonight has the same end result as lynching turnip head tomorrow.

either turniphead is telling the truth and he gets his easy win and vanishes and we know he was indie, or we find out he was lying, we lynch him day 3 and then he vanishes and we know he was mafia.

if you have a better way of dealing with his claim then let me know

I am not dealing with TH's claim by letting him win an item.

If he wanted to successfully guess tonight he should have picked someone other than himself. This is like the part that Daisy opposed strongly, and on this I agree. I'm fine testing his claim, but I'm not electing him to have other advantages. I'd sooner have lynched him yesterday and not tested his claim at all than let him win an item, and for him to think he could win an election under current circumstances is his own fault.

he didn't pick himself (Turnip Head), he picked you (Golden)

Oh, well your way of phrasing that was weird.

[Golden]

oh shit i voted for scotty by accident

I meant to vote for Epi and it ended up on Golden somehow?

This game is having some uncanny weirdness.

You both voted fine. Speed changed the poll, moving Choutas from the top down to being sprityo below your votes.

When I did that in U-Pick it just reset the poll entirely and forced ppl to revote.

Is it possible you changed the number of options?

[Kylemii]

Oh, well your way of phrasing that was weird.

i think you just read it wrong lol

[Epignosis]

Hey guys. sorry I've been away. It looks like I'm a gonner, so I'm going to just throw this out there. I have a cop role. I checked sig last night, and saw he was town.

I haven't caught up, but this has to- has to- has to- be bullshit.

[MacDougall]

I’m voting Mac btw because that’s who I predicted.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

What, I never win these things? People get too tinfoily.

[ColinIsCool]

Golden really doesn't want to buy me a drink

I will actively vote to prevent you from winning it.

Why didn't you just guess someone in the town core? What possessed you to predict yourself?

Who is the “town core”?

[MacDougall]

Salty sailor

[Golden]

Golden really doesn't want to buy me a drink

I will actively vote to prevent you from winning it.

Why didn't you just guess someone in the town core? What possessed you to predict yourself?

Who is the “town core”?

Looking for a shopping list?

[ColinIsCool]

I’m voting Mac btw because that’s who I predicted.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

What, I never win these things? People get too tinfoily.

I dunno. Felt like a sensible pick.

[Kylemii]

I think possibly it could mean not dying immediately somehow.

i'm getting kinda tired of arguing this cus turnip head should probably be the one fighting for his own wincon but if you think an indie having a wincon as easy as guessing two elections correctly is unlikely, a mafia member having a crazy game winning power that he only wins after guessing two elections should also seem unlikely.

regardless of whether or not TH is bluffing, giving him his win con takes him off the table as a variable, and gives us the capability to deal with him with confidence.

that's my pitch. Vote Golden for alcohol consumer, 2020.

[ColinIsCool]

Golden really doesn't want to buy me a drink

I will actively vote to prevent you from winning it.

Why didn't you just guess someone in the town core? What possessed you to predict yourself?

Who is the “town core”?

Looking for a shopping list?

I’m more wondering why you think asking TH why he didn’t pick someone you have a good read on is a good question.

[ColinIsCool]

I think possibly it could mean not dying immediately somehow.

i'm getting kinda tired of arguing this cus turnip head should probably be the one fighting for his own wincon but if you think an indie having a wincon as easy as guessing two elections correctly is unlikely, a mafia member having a crazy game winning power that he only wins after guessing two elections should also seem unlikely.

regardless of whether or not TH is bluffing, giving him his win con takes him off the table as a variable, and gives us the capability to deal with him with confidence.

that's my pitch. Vote Golden for alcohol consumer, 2020.

You’re totally putting words in my mouth, but ooookay.

[Golden]

Golden really doesn't want to buy me a drink

I will actively vote to prevent you from winning it.

Why didn't you just guess someone in the town core? What possessed you to predict yourself?

Who is the “town core”?

Looking for a shopping list?

I’m more wondering why you think asking TH why he didn’t pick someone you have a good read on is a good question.

It was a good rhetorical question, at least until such point as it turns out he picked someone I have a 100% read accuracy rate on.

[ColinIsCool]

Was it a good question though?

[ColinIsCool]

And Golden accuses me of adopting “generic” stances and expects me to take it. The gall.

[Kylemii]

You’re totally putting words in my mouth, but ooookay.

i'm really not. mafia turnip head becoming unlynchable after predicting just 2 elections is the only realistic way he lives past the end of day 3. isnt that what you're worried about? what else could go wrong