WWE MAFIA - Day 14

[Loulou26]

But for those of you who prefer I "act like a civ" (whatever that means), I'll show that Dom is speaking from somewhere other than his mouth (or fingertips). Observe:

1. "Epig is probably bad."

Again, the use of the term "probably" is unwarranted.

2. "He has backpedaled on his Mongoose suspicion so hard."

Would anyone like to confirm this? I'm pretty sure I stuck by my Mongoose suspicion. By, you know, actually voting for her. After I had considered several angles for quite some time, asking for clarification, and listening to what others had to say.

3. "He dropped his K4J suspicion."

Dropped it? Show me where. I challenge you.

4. "Civvie epig doesn't do this."

Dom has hosted me once. I was Night killed first. I'm not sure what makes him an authority on my "civvie" game, a claim that is even more astonishing...since I don't have a "civvie" game.

5. "He is throwing things at the wall to see what sticks. His pasta isn't ready yet, I see, though, because you are peeling everything off for him."

If you throw pasta to the wall and it sticks, then you have probably...

Sorry, I already told you this. Good luck with your linguine, Felix.

Interesting, I hadn't paid him much attention till this post. Now I'm thinking I need to go and look at his posts. Cos what you're saying here does make him seem suspicious.

[Loulou26]

^Then you should be lynched early and often until you conform like the rest of us sheeple!

Oh I see. You said something to me in a post about not answering your question, then later I posted some off-topic, and you asked "is Mata OTified?" I took that as a snarky way of prodding me into sharing my game thoughts. (And don't get me wrong, I love snark! It's my kinda language)

I was totally thinking you were posting that random OT message on purpose, which confused the hell out of me, haha.

I did pick out the people I want to analyze further from the Mongoose voters. They are listed in a previous post of mine. If you need further elaboration on any one of those names specifically, don't hesitate to ask.

sorry it wasn't you I should have asked. It was Turnip who said that he hadn't had time to look at the hoppers.

So, I'll try again. TH have you looked yet at the people who voted mongoose without any reasoning behind it?

Have you? I can't remember reading it if you did so if you can direct me to your post that would be helpful.

[Bullzeye]

^Then you should be lynched early and often until you conform like the rest of us sheeple!

Oh I see. You said something to me in a post about not answering your question, then later I posted some off-topic, and you asked "is Mata OTified?" I took that as a snarky way of prodding me into sharing my game thoughts. (And don't get me wrong, I love snark! It's my kinda language)

I was totally thinking you were posting that random OT message on purpose, which confused the hell out of me, haha.

I did pick out the people I want to analyze further from the Mongoose voters. They are listed in a previous post of mine. If you need further elaboration on any one of those names specifically, don't hesitate to ask.

sorry it wasn't you I should have asked. It was Turnip who said that he hadn't had time to look at the hoppers.

So, I'll try again. TH have you looked yet at the people who voted mongoose without any reasoning behind it?

Have you? I can't remember reading it if you did so if you can direct me to your post that would be helpful.

I don't know if TH ever did but I've made several posts looking over the Mongoose voters (with the accidental exception of Epignosis) which you can find by clicking the link to view all my posts in this topic under my avatar

[Tangrowth]

Bullz, I find your posts on the matter have been actually pretty insightful, even if I have been reading some players differently.

What are you currently feeling, a DP vote?

And is there any way you can clarify any further why you're not feeling as strongly about S~V~S?

[Bullzeye]

Bullz, I find your posts on the matter have been actually pretty insightful, even if I have been reading some players differently.

What are you currently feeling, a DP vote?

And is there any way you can clarify any further why you're not feeling as strongly about S~V~S?

DP or Sorsha yeah, both for the same reason of blendiness. Your and SVS' comments that this is Sorsha's normal behaviour make me lean toward the former. I'd really like to clarify my position on SVS but I can't. You know how sometimes you just don't know how you feel about a person? I don't think she's good, but I'm not necessarily suspicious of her. Could you remind me of the main points of the case against her?

[kneel4justice]

A Person: I think you’re just one of the players that are going to be a wait and see for me. You don’t want to be readable, but I think that’s your style.

Bullzeye: Well I am not so sure what to think about you, I liked your posting but now I think I am leaning towards trusting Epig, so I am wondering if that means anything for you, because you haven’t changed your mind. Not sure I like your post referencing the attempt to kill you.

Dom: I really did like your posts when you were battling Epig. But I have kind of come around to see him more likely to be a townie and so I am curious of your current opinion of Epig?

Elochin: Your votes are kind of weird, and you don’t have much to say. Why, can you explain is this your normal way of operating? I think you just pop in and vote. I need more actual material if you are a townie. Do you usually hunt more apparently or just vote?

Epig: While I could disagree with some of the things you’ve done this game, and actually argue for days against you, I do think for the time being that you’re a townie.

Hedgie: Your post rings alarm bells when you mention you’re going to “do something different” by looking at the top ten posters. That is weird to me, please, can you explain why you’re going to do something different? What is motivating you to play differently, I would like to know. Because there has to be scum within those is not good enough for me.

FZ: I was initially suspicious of you, but it seems you’re just not into this game enough. Did you respond to my ‘FOS’ post? I don’t think you did. I said you were under the radar (I’ve looked in at the speed game a few times, and even then you seem to be more into the game but I can’t really say because I haven’t read it). I feel a genuineness that wants to play and hunt, but I am not sure if the efforts are genuine. I don’t see FZ going off of her instincts like she hoped she could with shorter days.

Lizzy: I think you’re similar to AP, you just don’t want to be readable. But your vote for Mongoose caught my eye. You voted first, and it was a very convenient vote.

Lou: I don’t see anything bad from you other than not being as involved in the game, but I myself am not. I just feel that part is due to the different site and our newbie status.

Mister Rearranger: I definitely do not know what to think about you. I still am just weirded our by your vote for me, I just found it very convenient, it got to excuse you from making a real decision. But I liked your response about probably voting Mata, but she’s dead so now I don’t know what to think lol

MovingPictures07: Don’t know what to think about you. My initial impression was that you were trying to look like a townie, you’ve gotten into more meat now, but I am still hesitant. Your interaction with SVS throws me off because I don’t know either of you well enough. Ugh, I hate this!

Russtifinko: I don’t like your vote for Epig because I feel like at the moment he looks like a townie, I could definitely be wrong, and I hope that not to be the case. But yeah, IGMEOY (I got my eye on you) for the time being. Wish I was more confident in this. You may just be getting my vote, I just don’t know if my trust in Epig means you’re scum or not.

Spacedaisy: I like your posts when you do post, I wish you were here more.

Summer: I need to see more from you, it looks like you’re going to miss the day phase, which sucks. You started out so much more involved, but I understand why you might not be posting as much. This is a very different setting for us. I just do not know if you were taking advantage of me or not. I don’t want to say no just because of our friendship. Hm!

SVS: I still don’t like how you dealt with Mongoose, it seemed like you suspected her for being OT and for trying to cause confusion. I understand OT, however it seemed to me that OT came very natural/characteristic for Mongoose, Can anyone verify this? So it did come across to me like you were trying to take advantage of that. It’s very easy for scum to suspect someone for being OT and fluffy. Aside from that, I really do not like the suspicion of how she got the two games confused, seriously what would she benefit by doing that, while in the midst of fire?! Sorry if you’ve responded to that. There’s other stuff going on with you between you and MP but I haven’t paid that enough attention tbh.

Turnip Head: I like your posts.

Vomp: I think you just do not want to be readable. We will have to wait and see, I don’t want to see you lynched now. I think that is a waste of a lynch.

[Tangrowth]

And for the record, TH, Sorsha, and anyone else who is feeling frustrated:

I am by no means saying Vomps's behavior is helpful at all. It isn't. ESPECIALLY the self votes. I at least can understand the randomizing (even though I disagree with it).

In fact, I've actually seen helpful civvie Vomps before (see: Twin Peaks), and this is NOT it. But I've seen him play this way before regardless of alignment. I've been in your shoes before, but I don't feel incredibly compelled to vote for him right now at this point in the game, because I honestly have no idea what alignment he is, and I just have others I feel more strongly about.

But if any of you feel it is best to vote for him, go for it, and sorry you feel frustrated.

Bullz, I find your posts on the matter have been actually pretty insightful, even if I have been reading some players differently.

What are you currently feeling, a DP vote?

And is there any way you can clarify any further why you're not feeling as strongly about S~V~S?

DP or Sorsha yeah, both for the same reason of blendiness. Your and SVS' comments that this is Sorsha's normal behaviour make me lean toward the former. I'd really like to clarify my position on SVS but I can't. You know how sometimes you just don't know how you feel about a person? I don't think she's good, but I'm not necessarily suspicious of her. Could you remind me of the main points of the case against her?

Makes sense. I actually get the arguments of blendiness against both of them, though those are two players I've often seen labeled as blendy, so I hesitate a bit. I do think Sorsha's behavior seems totally just normal Sorsha to me, so IDK what alignment she is right now. DP... same deal, except for the fact that bandwagoned. That is strange. He does bandwagon, but I do notice when he is civvie and very inactive he will throw off to someone else.

I get it, that makes sense.

My main points are:
- She seems to be controlling the thread and contradicting herself (therefore I believe it to be manufactured manipulating)
- She manufactured these ridiculous points against me
- She latched onto the Mongoose suspicion and ran with it, and after Mongoose's death said a post that just really pinged me, AND she didn't vote Mongoose on D1 even though she expressed the case seemed strong against her at that time

You can really see all of those points made here: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 204#p46204.

I do wonder if I'm wrong about her, frankly, since I've been wrong about her so many times before.. but I have been right about her before, and I genuinely believe it's NOT just a matter of us not meeting eye to eye but that she is playing her manipulative baddie game.

Linkitis: Oooooh, big blue listy post!! Reading shortly..

[Bullzeye]

Bullzeye: Well I am not so sure what to think about you, I liked your posting but now I think I am leaning towards trusting Epig, so I am wondering if that means anything for you, because you haven’t changed your mind. Not sure I like your post referencing the attempt to kill you.

I kinda have actually, I said earlier I'm not necessarily suspicious of him any more. I think he may have changed his mind on me as well. Also I know you'd have no way to know this but I often make jokey posts like the one I directed at Hogan. It's just my personality. In Homestar Runner I did a similar one, professing my undying love for whoever had resurrected me and vowing to kill the SK (who had killed me) "right in the face".

[Sorsha]

Voted Vomps. He voted himself too so I am assuming he wants to be lynched.

[kneel4justice]

Voted Vomps. He voted himself too so I am assuming he wants to be lynched.

This is such an easy vote. You do not have to do any kind of scumhunting at all to vote for Vomps. At least TH provided a bit more reasoning than you did.
If you were truly assuming he wanted to be lynched, which I don't think you are (I think you're just trying to show your disapproval for his gameplay), then you'd consider the fact that scum do not want to be lynched.

[Tangrowth]

SVS: I still don’t like how you dealt with Mongoose, it seemed like you suspected her for being OT and for trying to cause confusion. I understand OT, however it seemed to me that OT came very natural/characteristic for Mongoose, Can anyone verify this? So it did come across to me like you were trying to take advantage of that. It’s very easy for scum to suspect someone for being OT and fluffy. Aside from that, I really do not like the suspicion of how she got the two games confused, seriously what would she benefit by doing that, while in the midst of fire?! Sorry if you’ve responded to that. There’s other stuff going on with you between you and MP but I haven’t paid that enough attention tbh.

Truly awesome post. We don't do much of the list thing, but I loved this. I only cut it to avoid too long of quotes for players who are using mobile devices.

And to address the above, yes, Mongoose is just a chatty player who loves to talk about whatever, so it seemed totally in character for me -- and that's why the whole suspicion of her just struck me as SO ridiculous and not right at all in so many ways.

And S~V~S and I have a very long history of playing games together, often while gunning after each other (off and on anyway), especially because we're both notoriously aggressive, so she's trying to write this off as just me falling back into old habits, but that is not what's going on here!! And I have actually not suspected her in a game for a while either... I feel I have grown to read her better over the last half a year, but maybe that;s just wishful thinking.

Hopefully that helps.

Bullzeye: Well I am not so sure what to think about you, I liked your posting but now I think I am leaning towards trusting Epig, so I am wondering if that means anything for you, because you haven’t changed your mind. Not sure I like your post referencing the attempt to kill you.

I kinda have actually, I said earlier I'm not necessarily suspicious of him any more. I think he may have changed his mind on me as well. Also I know you'd have no way to know this but I often make jokey posts like the one I directed at Hogan. It's just my personality. In Homestar Runner I did a similar one, professing my undying love for whoever had resurrected me and vowing to kill the SK (who had killed me) "right in the face".

I am hesitant, but I do think you're civvie-minded, Bullz. I still have my doubts, but you're seeming like your civvie self here to me. I can vouch for what he's saying here as well.

And LMAO, that was so great, good times.

[Loulou26]

1. Of course you think your observations point to me being bad. They don't change probability. Casinos make a fortune on people's observations regarding probability.

2. Doesn't address my response. Your comment shifts to people "latching onto" my case. To be clear: Despite my failure regarding Mongoose, I still hope people latch onto my cases, just as I'm sure you hope people will latch onto yours.

3. Doesn't mean I dropped my suspicion. You even asked me about her.

I voted Mongoose. Rest easy k4j.

Do you still find k4j suspicious?

Little bit, yeah.

My suspicion of Mongoose overshadowed my suspicion of kneel4justice. I only get one vote.

4. I give you permission to say whatever isn't constructive that you need to say. The host or mod might not.

5. I figured you, a theater fan, would appreciate the humor.

I know I'm still catching up but are you still suspicious of K4J? If so, why?

[Loulou26]

Night 2 - On the Edge

J.R.: Survivor Series has been an amazing event so far, King!

King: It sure has, J.R., and we've still got the main event to go!

Indeed, the main event, a 5 on 5 Survivor Series Tag Match, was amazing. Eliminations were happening all over the place. Finally it came down to three: On one side, Matahari and her teammate Funaki, and on the other, Edge, who was the last man remaining on his side. Mata had been injured earlier in the match, but somehow she dug down deep and rallied, blocking every move, finally climbing to the top rope. The crowd was going wild!

Just then, Edge pulled a small pistol out of his boot and shot Mata as she sailed through the air. She was dead by the time she hit the ground.

ANNOUNCER: Edge has been disqualified. Here is your winner, Funaki!!!!

Funaki: INDEED!

*************************************************

Bullzeye, unaware of the murder that just happened in the ring, was walking around backstage for no apparent reason. However, as he turned into a side hallway that was creepy and deserted, he heard an all too familiar voice ring out.

"WHATCHA GONNA DO, BROTHER, WHEN HULKAMANIA KILLS YOU?!?!?!???"

He turned and saw Hulk Hogan, blocking the exit and wielding a sharpened American flag. Hogan threw it javelin style, but it just missed and planted in the floor at Bullzeye's feet. Bullzeye grabbed the javelin and pole vaulted over Hogan, then ran to the catering section, where he would be safe.

**************************************************
Matahari has been killed by the Arrogant Heels.
Bullzeye is not dead.

It is now Day. You have 48 hours to lynch someone.

Hmm so does this mean that Mata was civvie? I'm so confused when you don't reveal their alignment.

[Loulou26]

Guess I am not voting Mata. Lol

Why were you suspicious of Mata in the first place?

[Bullzeye]

Hmm so does this mean that Mata was civvie? I'm so confused when you don't reveal their alignment.

We don't know for sure. That's basically why we don't reveal NK'd players roles, to keep the mystery. The only thing we can say with some certainty is that she probably wasn't an Arrogant Heel unless there's someone I've forgotten about who can switch targets.



Writing an essay and playing mafia at the same time means I keep feeling a need to put citations in my posts.

[Tangrowth]

Voted Vomps. He voted himself too so I am assuming he wants to be lynched.

This is such an easy vote. You do not have to do any kind of scumhunting at all to vote for Vomps. At least TH provided a bit more reasoning than you did.
If you were truly assuming he wanted to be lynched, which I don't think you are (I think you're just trying to show your disapproval for his gameplay), then you'd consider the fact that scum do not want to be lynched.

Agreed here.

I'm torn because I understand the metagaming reasons to vote Vomps out (if you're not being a helpful civvie, why even play?), BUT, wrathofgod still has not even posted once and no one is even talking about her. Why not vote there either? And then add in the reasons you state above; it just removes all accountability.

Vomps is just as statistically likely to be baddie as anyone else playing, but I just get the feeling he hasn't really invested himself (yet) in this game, so he's making himself an easy target. Whether he's doing it to fuck with all of us because he's baddie or whether he's just doing it because he's a lost civvie who loves being zany, I do not know, and it's always so hard to tell with him. I feel he is being especially more elusive this game for some reason, but maybe it's because he's playing two games at once and there's a bunch of people he doesn't know. Now that I think about it, I do notice he tends to come out of his shell and play a bit more traditionally when he knows the players quite well and when it's a smaller group, but... even then, there's sometimes not at all a method to his madness.

Anyway, rambling done. What are you thinking, K4J; where's your vote going for sure, do you know?

I really want to vote S~V~S... honestly, she's still my #1. But I really hate spread out votes because they open votes up to baddie manipulation and we already have a spread vote here AND I like discussing out suspicions with others to see what they are thinking AND I am just now beginning to consider I may be wrong, so... you going to vote S~V~S or someone else?

I think I still will, but I'm trying to consider all of the options. There are a few others that have acted in ways that have proven very possibly worthy of votes, IMO (Russ comes to mind).

[kneel4justice]

I found this post very interesting. Epi argues pretty forcefully that he didn't back off of Mongoose, but my thought reading yesterday was that distancing was exactly what he was doing. After building the entire huge case against her, he voted for her relatively late, and he spent a BUNCH of time talking about how he was sketched out that so many people were following his lead. When he wrote up his vote post, it actually read to me as if he were dragging his feet about it and only voted for Mongoose out of some weird sense of responsibility and had dropped his suspicion of her entriely. I'm starting to think he was setting Devin, me, and others up for lynch, and it seems to be working so far.

tl;dr: I don't see why Epi would call Dom out so hard on a point that seems fairly obvious to me. Maybe others could weigh in on this?

As a relatively minor other note on this post, this: "I don't have a "civvie" game." read as ingenuine to me. It's super cocky, and I know as a civ I personally never ever feel cocky because I don't know what the hell is going on. I've seen Epi be bad a few times now, and I do think that if he has a baddie game, cockiness is probably part of it. So I don't feel good about Epi the tiniest bit this game. I'll probably vote him today, in fact.

I must admit, I do agree with the first paragraph. However, not sure it makes you a townie because I could write an entire post about how he is suspicious and I myself am leaning towards him being a townie at the moment. What Epi has done this game is very easy for scum to do, in my eyes. Yet, it is also very easy for scum to take advantage of. I have to keep that in mind when reading your post.

As for cockiness being a part of Epi's baddie game, it looks to me like this is just his personality and gameplay. So I don't like this part of your post at all, it really feels like you're trying hard. And honestly, I am one of the cockiest townies you will ever meet back on KSITE, lol, so I do not disagree that he should be less cocky or that he should be lost as a townie.

[Tangrowth]

Hmm so does this mean that Mata was civvie? I'm so confused when you don't reveal their alignment.

No, she could have been a member of the opposing mafia team, or even an independent.

We do not know the roles of NKed players until postgame. Only lynched players are revealed. If all of them were revealed, PLUS the fact that we display all the roles, well... then eliminating players down to certain roles would become way too easy at endgame.

[S~V~S]

I am not controlling the thread~ I am not even trying to control the thread, MP. You have seen me control a thread, and this is not it. And I think you know that, too, which is why this whole thing with you blowing up a vote (and i still feel that of all the people who voted for mongoose, i had the best real reason that had nothing to do with anyone else, only my own gut~ and K4J, you seem to be misconstruing what i am saying~ I did not have an issue with Mongooses OT in general; i had a problem with it in the context of i was trying to get a straight answer out of her on a question, and she kept sidestepping my question into OT, this was why I voted for her, ultimately. I thought she was trying to evade telling a lie in a game with an LD)

Maybe I am just irked that we have to keep doing this all the time, MP. It must be me since it is an issue I have had with others, not just you. Maybe it is a perspective issue~ in any case I had an awesome day, and am gonna back off a bit since I want to have an awesome night and don't want to get into any..ah, trouble

[Tangrowth]

AP, I see you're reading. I know you often are so uncertain, but I feel you bring a lot of insight to the game when you do allow it to come through, SO, I ask of you -- what are you thinking right now, anything and everything?

Linki with SVS

Hmm so does this mean that Mata was civvie? I'm so confused when you don't reveal their alignment.

We don't know for sure. That's basically why we don't reveal NK'd players roles, to keep the mystery. The only thing we can say with some certainty is that she probably wasn't an Arrogant Heel unless there's someone I've forgotten about who can switch targets.



Writing an essay and playing mafia at the same time means I keep feeling a need to put citations in my posts.

Somehow I missed that Bullz beat me to this. Lol.

[Bullzeye]

Somehow I missed that Bullz beat me to this. Lol.

Sorry, I'm trying to procrastinate I need literally 100 words to hit my target for today but mafia is sooooo much more appealing than whether or not inclusive education is a good thing.

[Loulou26]

Thanks, whoever protected me/blocked Hogan. I'd have been really sad to die on night 2! Hulk: Try in future not to suck as much as the real Hulk Hogan does I guess you're probably one of the players who've latched on to Epi's thoughts about me. Also, sorry to see you go Mata. It's always good to have you around.

I see Bullz is not dead. I just want to make sure I get how it works here. If the story tells us there was an attempt on his life, does that mean that we can rule out a blocker blocking the killer, right? Because I assume we wouldn't even hear about it. Or am I wrong?
How likely is it that he was saved? Was he that obvious of a civ that someone would save him out of everyone?

When I hosted I wrote all kill attempts in the night post regardless of why they failed (and most of them did). I think that's generally how it works, we see the choice the baddies made and we see if anyone else's choices affected it. My role is not why I survived, something else must have caused that but I'm at a loss as to what. Maybe someone with a protect knows my civ game, or maybe a blocker doesn't trust Hulk Hogan.

Today I intend to have a look at the Mongoose bandwagon, I don't think all of them are bad but a few probably are. Epi in particular I've given up trying to have a direct conversation with after the other night, but I really don't trust him. Devin's asking for a lynch reminds me of Homestar when he did the exact same thing. He was a civ there and I really don't see a baddie asking to get lynched and being serious about it. It'd piss off all their teammates IMO.

I agree, I don't see him asking to be killed as a bad thing. Though it could be reverse psychology.

[kneel4justice]

Guess I am not voting Mata. Lol

Why were you suspicious of Mata in the first place?

Honestly, I forgot. It was her vote for Mongoose and how it didn't make sense to me that she was voting that way.

[Tangrowth]

I am not controlling the thread~ I am not even trying to control the thread, MP. You have seen me control a thread, and this is not it. And I think you know that, too, which is why this whole thing with you blowing up a vote (and i still feel that of all the people who voted for mongoose, i had the best real reason that had nothing to do with anyone else, only my own gut~ and K4J, you seem to be misconstruing what i am saying~ I did not have an issue with Mongooses OT in general; i had a problem with it in the context of i was trying to get a straight answer out of her on a question, and she kept sidestepping my question into OT, this was why I voted for her, ultimately. I thought she was trying to evade telling a lie in a game with an LD)

Maybe I am just irked that we have to keep doing this all the time, MP. It must be me since it is an issue I have had with others, not just you. Maybe it is a perspective issue~ in any case I had an awesome day, and am gonna back off a bit since I want to have an awesome night and don't want to get into any..ah, trouble

Okay, very well-illustrated here, I must admit. And you're right, I have seen you control threads way more intensely before.

I still think you're bad, and I still am considering a vote in your direction, but I'm willing to take a step back and consider here. This reads genuine and seems logical to me. But that still doesn't negate your possible baddieness for me, nor does it take away the fact that you did help lead the bandwagon onto Mongoose IMO.

What are you currently thinking then, SVS? A DP vote? If so, any other players that have your eye or even your trust that you may or may not have already mentioned?

Somehow I missed that Bullz beat me to this. Lol.

Sorry, I'm trying to procrastinate I need literally 100 words to hit my target for today but mafia is sooooo much more appealing than whether or not inclusive education is a good thing.

I feel you there, completely. Lol. Been there done that.

[Sorsha]

Voted Vomps. He voted himself too so I am assuming he wants to be lynched.

This is such an easy vote. You do not have to do any kind of scumhunting at all to vote for Vomps. At least TH provided a bit more reasoning than you did.
If you were truly assuming he wanted to be lynched, which I don't think you are (I think you're just trying to show your disapproval for his gameplay), then you'd consider the fact that scum do not want to be lynched.

So what... its my vote to do with what I want.

[Tangrowth]

Voted Vomps. He voted himself too so I am assuming he wants to be lynched.

This is such an easy vote. You do not have to do any kind of scumhunting at all to vote for Vomps. At least TH provided a bit more reasoning than you did.
If you were truly assuming he wanted to be lynched, which I don't think you are (I think you're just trying to show your disapproval for his gameplay), then you'd consider the fact that scum do not want to be lynched.

So what... its my vote to do with what I want.

So do you think Vomps is bad or not?

And do you have thoughts on anyone else, one way or the other, out of curiosity?

[Loulou26]

So I decided to procrastinate by looking at the people who voted Mongoose and the first thing I notice is that about half of her voters had 10 posts or less: Lizzy (10), Russ (9), Elo (4), Dex (5), DP (7). Just caught my eye because it seems like some of them could just be trying to fly low and throw votes onto an easy target, knowing she was probably going to be lynched no matter what.

Hmm interesting, thanks for this. Out of all those I am looking more at Lizzy than others because while she has ten posts, I don't really recall seeing a whole lot from her. That concerns me.

[kneel4justice]

Voted Vomps. He voted himself too so I am assuming he wants to be lynched.

This is such an easy vote. You do not have to do any kind of scumhunting at all to vote for Vomps. At least TH provided a bit more reasoning than you did.
If you were truly assuming he wanted to be lynched, which I don't think you are (I think you're just trying to show your disapproval for his gameplay), then you'd consider the fact that scum do not want to be lynched.

Agreed here.

I'm torn because I understand the metagaming reasons to vote Vomps out (if you're not being a helpful civvie, why even play?), BUT, wrathofgod still has not even posted once and no one is even talking about her. Why not vote there either? And then add in the reasons you state above; it just removes all accountability.

Vomps is just as statistically likely to be baddie as anyone else playing, but I just get the feeling he hasn't really invested himself (yet) in this game, so he's making himself an easy target. Whether he's doing it to fuck with all of us because he's baddie or whether he's just doing it because he's a lost civvie who loves being zany, I do not know, and it's always so hard to tell with him. I feel he is being especially more elusive this game for some reason, but maybe it's because he's playing two games at once and there's a bunch of people he doesn't know. Now that I think about it, I do notice he tends to come out of his shell and play a bit more traditionally when he knows the players quite well and when it's a smaller group, but... even then, there's sometimes not at all a method to his madness.

Anyway, rambling done. What are you thinking, K4J; where's your vote going for sure, do you know?

I really want to vote S~V~S... honestly, she's still my #1. But I really hate spread out votes because they open votes up to baddie manipulation and we already have a spread vote here AND I like discussing out suspicions with others to see what they are thinking AND I am just now beginning to consider I may be wrong, so... you going to vote S~V~S or someone else?

I think I still will, but I'm trying to consider all of the options. There are a few others that have acted in ways that have proven very possibly worthy of votes, IMO (Russ comes to mind).

I think that I want to vote for Russ. I'm nervous, I like to be a lot more sure but obviously that is not going to happen this game since I do not know the majority of players. I am not sure how people operate and think on the sidelines here, so I can't really dig as deep as I want to with my suspicion. If that makes any sense...probably not.

Sorsha's post makes me think she might be bad, but I don't think it's enough to vote for her.
SVS is someone I am contemplating but her Lie Detector stuff does make sense. I really just do not know because I wasn't paying a lot of attention to Mongoose because I didn't see anything suspicious jumping out at me while others were just going on and on, I was confused and focused elsewhere. So I have no idea if she really did what SVS is saying.

[kneel4justice]

Voted Vomps. He voted himself too so I am assuming he wants to be lynched.

This is such an easy vote. You do not have to do any kind of scumhunting at all to vote for Vomps. At least TH provided a bit more reasoning than you did.
If you were truly assuming he wanted to be lynched, which I don't think you are (I think you're just trying to show your disapproval for his gameplay), then you'd consider the fact that scum do not want to be lynched.

So what... its my vote to do with what I want.

These kind of posts where people don't want to explain themselves make no sense to me. It is a game, it is my job as a player to scumhunt. Why people won't do something simple enough as explain their self or have a conversation about something without being dismissive is beyond me. I don't know how to play when these are the kinds of responses that some players are giving, I truly am trying my hardest to develop myself in this game but I just don't see how I can do so anymore.
And now I don't know if voting for you is because this emotionally triggers me to think you're sucm or if you're truly being scummy (vs. a difficult townie).

[Loulou26]

Jeez.
You people and your statistics!
Have we forgot about scum-hunting and only decided to play this game mathematically?

Believe me, I'm the last person to defend maths, but looking at times of votes and stuff can be pretty helpful in catching baddies trying to fly low and avoid attention. Do they not do that on Ksite?

Lol we have one person that does and he goes into very great detail on people too. So I'm a little concerned with why K4J doesn't want the mathematics part cos normally he likes when statistics are posted.

[Sorsha]

Voted Vomps. He voted himself too so I am assuming he wants to be lynched.

This is such an easy vote. You do not have to do any kind of scumhunting at all to vote for Vomps. At least TH provided a bit more reasoning than you did.
If you were truly assuming he wanted to be lynched, which I don't think you are (I think you're just trying to show your disapproval for his gameplay), then you'd consider the fact that scum do not want to be lynched.

So what... its my vote to do with what I want.

So do you think Vomps is bad or not?

And do you have thoughts on anyone else, one way or the other, out of curiosity?

I have a few that I am keeping an eye on, nothing that I feel like bringing up at this point though.

I am a player that sites back and watches for a while. Its how I have always been and its probably how I wil always be, if you don't like it then vote for me. I don't really care.

[Loulou26]

Rest in peace Matahari, and welcome Hedgeowl! Very weird that the baddies took out Mata, I was definitely going to be looking her way today.

I don't find myself suspicious of Epi or SVS at the moment. I think that might be civvie on civvie. Is it weird that Devin is asking to be lynched? Does he normally do that?

Vompatti has voted for himself (herself?) twice. A Person has done the same thing.

voopvoop is a he k

Curious...you only comment to correct him on a gender yet say nothing about what he's actually saying in the post. Why did you vote for yourself again?

[kneel4justice]

Jeez.
You people and your statistics!
Have we forgot about scum-hunting and only decided to play this game mathematically?

Believe me, I'm the last person to defend maths, but looking at times of votes and stuff can be pretty helpful in catching baddies trying to fly low and avoid attention. Do they not do that on Ksite?

Lol we have one person that does and he goes into very great detail on people too. So I'm a little concerned with why K4J doesn't want the mathematics part cos normally he likes when statistics are posted.

When have I ever liked when someone has said there is a .33 chance that so and so are scum together? Never, and it's never even happened. The two forms of statistics are completely different........

[Bullzeye]

Voted Vomps. He voted himself too so I am assuming he wants to be lynched.

This is such an easy vote. You do not have to do any kind of scumhunting at all to vote for Vomps. At least TH provided a bit more reasoning than you did.
If you were truly assuming he wanted to be lynched, which I don't think you are (I think you're just trying to show your disapproval for his gameplay), then you'd consider the fact that scum do not want to be lynched.

So what... its my vote to do with what I want.

These kind of posts where people don't want to explain themselves make no sense to me. It is a game, it is my job as a player to scumhunt. Why people won't do something simple enough as explain their self or have a conversation about something without being dismissive is beyond me. I don't know how to play when these are the kinds of responses that some players are giving, I truly am trying my hardest to develop myself in this game but I just don't see how I can do so anymore.
And now I don't know if voting for you is because this emotionally triggers me to think you're sucm or if you're truly being scummy (vs. a difficult townie).

I have to agree here. Dismissive attitudes do not help me feel that a person is probably good, unless they're clearly at a point where they've become frustrated with the line of discussion. That probably isn't what's going on here since Sorsha has hardly been mentioned much. At this point my vote is either going to her or DP. I'm kinda hoping for DP to pop up and explain himself but I don't know if that will happen.

[kneel4justice]

Voted Vomps. He voted himself too so I am assuming he wants to be lynched.

This is such an easy vote. You do not have to do any kind of scumhunting at all to vote for Vomps. At least TH provided a bit more reasoning than you did.
If you were truly assuming he wanted to be lynched, which I don't think you are (I think you're just trying to show your disapproval for his gameplay), then you'd consider the fact that scum do not want to be lynched.

So what... its my vote to do with what I want.

So do you think Vomps is bad or not?

And do you have thoughts on anyone else, one way or the other, out of curiosity?

I have a few that I am keeping an eye on, nothing that I feel like bringing up at this point though.

I am a player that sites back and watches for a while. Its how I have always been and its probably how I wil always be, if you don't like it then vote for me. I don't really care.

And if you explained that, then I would have been more understanding. I have no idea how you play because I have never played with you before. I wasn't telling you how to play, I was just expressing my opinion on your vote.

[Epignosis]

Elochin: Your votes are kind of weird, and you don’t have much to say. Why, can you explain is this your normal way of operating? I think you just pop in and vote. I need more actual material if you are a townie. Do you usually hunt more apparently or just vote?

Elohcin isn't bad.

[Turnip Head]

sorry it wasn't you I should have asked. It was Turnip who said that he hadn't had time to look at the hoppers.

So, I'll try again. TH have you looked yet at the people who voted mongoose without any reasoning behind it?

Have you? I can't remember reading it if you did so if you can direct me to your post that would be helpful.

I wasn't sure and I'm still not sure why Mata made that post that was directed at me. I never said that I hadn't had time to look at the "hoppers", I never said anything of the sort because Mata herself was very firmly the Mongoose voter that I was the most suspicious of. And Mata knew that because we had a back-and-forth about it and I voted for her. So I found her post really weird but didn't have time to ask her about it. Then she got killed.

But yeah, with Mata out of the picture I indeed have gone over my thoughts on other Mongoose voters. I gave my thoughts on Sorsha and DP, agreeing that Sorsha was blendy and that DP was playing low-key and bandwagonny. i was one of the first people to mention suspicions of Devin and Russ, they were bigger suspicions for me earlier in the game but I don't find I'm ready to quite suspect either one of them right now.

I am just up to where MP says i am manipulating the thread, and makes one vote into a federal case. Did not want to quote that with this and make Russ' hed asplode. And Russ~ I am not bad, and i don't think Epi is. MP is, you can take THAT to the bank.

SVS, I agree that your vote for Mongoose was the least suspicious, because it did indeed feel that you suspected her for your own reasons and you were steadfast in those suspicions. You were wrong of course, which doesn't make you bad.

Which brings me to MP. You seem pretty confident in the quote above that MP is bad. Can you explain your reasons here? It seems like it's motivated by the confrontation you've had with him in the thread. But is there anything else you can point to? Because right now I'm seeing you vs. MP just as I saw you vs. Mongoose. I know you're a smart player with good instincts. I just need to know whether I can follow you here or not. I don't have much of a read on MP myself. I haven't really gotten to play with him in forever, so I'm not really aware of his style.

[kneel4justice]

Elochin: Your votes are kind of weird, and you don’t have much to say. Why, can you explain is this your normal way of operating? I think you just pop in and vote. I need more actual material if you are a townie. Do you usually hunt more apparently or just vote?

Elohcin isn't bad.

Am I?

[Loulou26]

What's your deal Vomp? You only come in to vote yourself, no participation whatsoever. Are you one of the people asking to be replaced? Because you basically aren't playing :-/

Not impressed overall with the participation for today, very few people have checked in with the thread so far and we only have ~24ish hours left.

I'm looking at Disgruntled Porcupine, Russtifinko, Vompatti or Devin for my vote this lynch. Devin and Russ both followed Epi a little too blindly in my opinion, and made sure to mention that they were following Epi's lead and not thinking for themselves. Now Devin is all like "It's my fault, kill me". It's not really a civvie reaction but then again it's not a baddie reaction either.

Russ has the "busy bein busy" excuse which makes it hard to look at his game objectively, but so far I don't like what I've seen from Russ's posts. He doesn't offer many clear thoughts, just vague possible suspicions. I feel that baddies give these vague thoughts more than civvies do. But I don't know Russ's game.

Vompatti, as stated above, only comes in to vote for himself. It's hard to make a case against him, but it's even harder to make a case for him being civvie. His complete apathy for what we're trying to accomplish in this game of mafia is unsettling.

When I asked what DP's thoughts on the game were, once upon a time, he replied to me "None." And that's been par for the course the whole game so far for DP.

It's not funny anymore you guys. If you're civvies, you need to help catch baddies. Anyone who's not actively trying to do that is probably scum. On a related note, if A Person votes for himself again, my vote might go there instead. Seriously, let's stop clowning around and nab us a baddie.

YES totally agree, the amount of self voting and non-thoughts going on is getting really frustrating. That being said, would a baddie actually vote themselves though? I mean what would be the purpose. I really don't get the whole self voting thing at all.

[Tangrowth]

I think that I want to vote for Russ. I'm nervous, I like to be a lot more sure but obviously that is not going to happen this game since I do not know the majority of players. I am not sure how people operate and think on the sidelines here, so I can't really dig as deep as I want to with my suspicion. If that makes any sense...probably not.

Sorsha's post makes me think she might be bad, but I don't think it's enough to vote for her.
SVS is someone I am contemplating but her Lie Detector stuff does make sense. I really just do not know because I wasn't paying a lot of attention to Mongoose because I didn't see anything suspicious jumping out at me while others were just going on and on, I was confused and focused elsewhere. So I have no idea if she really did what SVS is saying.

I understand that. I know Russ IRL and have hosted or played alongside him pretty much every game he has played. I feel he has been in character, and I do know he's distracted because he's in Sweden visiting his girlfriend (and he almost didn't sign up for any games for that reason), BUT there's no denying he's done some really strange, suspicion things. It is so unlike a civvie Russ to just latch onto a suspicion without adding anything else and even more so to flip against that very person he decided was being logical the very next day... Then the way he threw me out as being maybe bad, then all of a sudden bad along with SVS and Epig, and then with his more recent post not bad at all, just so weird.

I am a bit hesitant that maybe he's just way distracted civvie, but I don't know if that's the case, and he could be bad. His actions are suspect regardless. But if he is baddie, he's playing the most careless Russ baddie I've ever seen...

So you understand my conflict on voting for him, even though I feel he is acting more suspicious than almost anyone else right now.

I know what you mean re: Sorsha on both counts.

See, I really thought SVS was just bullshitting because I can't fathom how she saw everything she stated she did in the Mongoose suspicion, and I really thought it was because she was just manipulating the thread to get it where she wanted it and get a free civvie lynched, but... I'm starting to have doubts. Could just be more of us not seeing things nearly the same way at all. I personally saw just a regular old Mongoose who was doing nothing that could even be constituted as suspicious, but I guess it's possible others legitimately saw something different... especially since I believe Epig when he says he did. Ugh. I'm really torn.

Voted Vomps. He voted himself too so I am assuming he wants to be lynched.

This is such an easy vote. You do not have to do any kind of scumhunting at all to vote for Vomps. At least TH provided a bit more reasoning than you did.
If you were truly assuming he wanted to be lynched, which I don't think you are (I think you're just trying to show your disapproval for his gameplay), then you'd consider the fact that scum do not want to be lynched.

So what... its my vote to do with what I want.

So do you think Vomps is bad or not?

And do you have thoughts on anyone else, one way or the other, out of curiosity?

I have a few that I am keeping an eye on, nothing that I feel like bringing up at this point though.

I am a player that sites back and watches for a while. Its how I have always been and its probably how I wil always be, if you don't like it then vote for me. I don't really care.

Thanks for elaborating!

I know that's how you typically play; I will gladly back you up on that.

I do sense some frustration in your posts, can't tell what it means exactly.

Yay linkitis!!!

[Loulou26]

I really don't see what the problem is. It's not like you're any more likely to catch a baddie by making up arguments than by randomizing or by voting for yourself.

Seriously? First, if you're not a baddie yourself, how is voting yourself going to help catch baddies. Unless you are one, and in that case, why are you playing in the first place? Second, if there's no point in looking for baddies other than randomizing, just go and fill a lottery ticket. Again, why play this game? No offense, of course.
I just don't get your logic

I don't remember if I'm a baddie or not. This has been my strategy from the beginning and I truly believe it will pay out in the end.

Pay out as in you surviving, or as in your team winning?

Both.

This is really suspcious to me. I think I may end up voting you.,

[kneel4justice]

MP, I am slightly confused. You say Ross is in character, but then go onto list things that are suspicious. Isn't that a contradiction? Are you trying to play me? You're even doubting SVS right when I doubt her! It feels like you're watching me and flowing accordingly, which I don't know why you'd find that beneficial since all I am is a new player here and you probably don't need to worry about deceiving me as much as others who know you but still...am I missing things and making this up?

[S~V~S]

Turnip Head~ MP & I tend to misunderstand each other always. He plays a logical, tactical game, and i play a very intuitive off the cuff game, even when i am bad. I don't plan far ahead, i just try to keep everyone alive TODAY.

The fact that he is sporadic in the thread, yet is so sure about me, when his record with me is not stellar since he & I tend to play Mafia on different planets, makes me think he is bad. He is SO SURE, and I think civ MP would do some more hand wringing and soul searching before blurting that out with our past history if he was a civ. I think that i am an easy vote for him to make, and to justify.

But this is just the kind of thinking that I deplore when other people do it, so I am not sure how much this is my gut, and how much is me being annoyed, which is i think the question you are asking.

Lots o'linki

[Boomslang]

Elochin: Your votes are kind of weird, and you don’t have much to say. Why, can you explain is this your normal way of operating? I think you just pop in and vote. I need more actual material if you are a townie. Do you usually hunt more apparently or just vote?

Elohcin isn't bad.

Am I?

NO U

Hmm so does this mean that Mata was civvie? I'm so confused when you don't reveal their alignment.

We don't know for sure. That's basically why we don't reveal NK'd players roles, to keep the mystery. The only thing we can say with some certainty is that she probably wasn't an Arrogant Heel unless there's someone I've forgotten about who can switch targets.

Writing an essay and playing mafia at the same time means I keep feeling a need to put citations in my posts.

This ain't Wikipedia, you can get away with it :P

But I think I'm going Sorsha. Overall blendiness from the past few days, combined with a very casual vote for Vomps, make me very wary.

[Tangrowth]

Elochin: Your votes are kind of weird, and you don’t have much to say. Why, can you explain is this your normal way of operating? I think you just pop in and vote. I need more actual material if you are a townie. Do you usually hunt more apparently or just vote?

Elohcin isn't bad.

I'm willing to trust you on this because your track record of reading your wife when you're civvie is absolutely OUTSTANDING. Seriously out of this world.

YES totally agree, the amount of self voting and non-thoughts going on is getting really frustrating. That being said, would a baddie actually vote themselves though? I mean what would be the purpose. I really don't get the whole self voting thing at all.

Good old WIFOM.

I don't get it either, BUT I will say there's a time and a place. I actually self-voted for myself very recently in a game and I did it one other time this year (well, AND one other, but that time I was an outed baddie creating chaos Lol), but it's something I've only done... actually those are the only times I've ever done it in all of my years of playing. I think there's a very specific time and a place for it, but that's just me.

There are a few who disagree, apparently. I mean, if you're a civvie, at least randomize and not self-vote because you KNOW you're voting a civvie if you vote yourself... at least if you randomize (which I don't get too much either) you have a chance at catching a baddie and even eliciting responses from accidentally caught teammates.

But that being said, people will play how people choose to play, and sometimes it just is what it is. It seems Vomps and AP are playing IMO even a bit more bizarrely than they do at other times, for any number of speculated reasons. It is far from being out of character though.

Man, I'm just loving having some downtime playing mafia!! So sorry for talking everyone's head off. Lol.

Yikes, linki!

[Loulou26]

Okay I'm voting Lizzy. I don't like the fact that she has voted Bull when I think out of everyone he's the most civvie right now because of all the analysing he's doing.

[Tangrowth]

MP, I am slightly confused. You say Ross is in character, but then go onto list things that are suspicious. Isn't that a contradiction? Are you trying to play me? You're even doubting SVS right when I doubt her! It feels like you're watching me and flowing accordingly, which I don't know why you'd find that beneficial since all I am is a new player here and you probably don't need to worry about deceiving me as much as others who know you but still...am I missing things and making this up?

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you. I realize that doesn't make much sense now that you respond to it that way... let me elaborate. It is not a contradiction. He has been in character in the manner in which he has been posting, although a bit quieter (though he is out of town). The tone and general mannerisms of his posts are very normal, and even some of the content is as well.

However, his actions themselves are what are suspicious. He typically puts a lot of thought into his decisions, and even though he may elicit trust and give trust, civvie Russ comes across as more cautious IMO. The way he bandwagoned right onto Epig's supicion of Mongoose and then the way he just plops a vote onto Epig today, as well as the way he shifted viewpoints about me so quickly, THOSE behaviors strike me as quite odd from him, and his normal behaviors nonwithstanding, certainly pingworthy.

The only reason I hesitate is that I'm afraid maybe he's just a really distracted civvie.

I'm not sure I fully understand what you're saying about the second part of your post. I find it weird though you apparently accuse me of flowing with you when I was first doubting an SVS vote and thinking through it, asked you what you thought, and then you said you'd vote Russ, even though you previously explained you thought SVS was suspicious.

[kneel4justice]

Voted Russ. I just realized It's RUSS not ROSS. I think I've said Ross half the time. Lol
Anyways my reasons are apparent, I really just do not like his vote for Epig. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. I'm going to be quiet for the remainder of the night as I'm going to be a bit more busy.

[S~V~S]

Gah, we have 10 votes for 9 people. Of those 9, I don't think Vomp or A Person would do this if they had teammates. The baddies still need all civvies dead to win, so i would prefer not to lynch people I think are civs.

i am gonna go with my Day One suspicion, Devin. One of the points of contention MP & I have is Devin, so clearing that up would be a good thing, especially as i do think he is bad, and i don;'t want to spread it out any further, it's baddie field day as it is with that huge spread.

*Votes Devin*

[kneel4justice]

MP, I am slightly confused. You say Ross is in character, but then go onto list things that are suspicious. Isn't that a contradiction? Are you trying to play me? You're even doubting SVS right when I doubt her! It feels like you're watching me and flowing accordingly, which I don't know why you'd find that beneficial since all I am is a new player here and you probably don't need to worry about deceiving me as much as others who know you but still...am I missing things and making this up?

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you. I realize that doesn't make much sense now that you respond to it that way... let me elaborate. It is not a contradiction. He has been in character in the manner in which he has been posting, although a bit quieter (though he is out of town). The tone and general mannerisms of his posts are very normal, and even some of the content is as well.

However, his actions themselves are what are suspicious. He typically puts a lot of thought into his decisions, and even though he may elicit trust and give trust, civvie Russ comes across as more cautious IMO. The way he bandwagoned right onto Epig's supicion of Mongoose and then the way he just plops a vote onto Epig today, as well as the way he shifted viewpoints about me so quickly, THOSE behaviors strike me as quite odd from him, and his normal behaviors nonwithstanding, certainly pingworthy.

The only reason I hesitate is that I'm afraid maybe he's just a really distracted civvie.

I'm not sure I fully understand what you're saying about the second part of your post. I find it weird though you apparently accuse me of flowing with you when I was first doubting an SVS vote and thinking through it, asked you what you thought, and then you said you'd vote Russ, even though you previously explained you thought SVS was suspicious.

Thanks for explaining.
I honestly don't know how to explain what I am trying to say, sorry. It just came across to me like you were looking at my thoughts and following them. Like when I said SVS's post made me doubt her guilt, you said you were doubting her guilt as well. Things like that. Though, you may have said them before and I just missed it all. If that's the case, I am sorry. I haven't read everything this game. I tend to browse and pick up on what I find suspicious.