Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:01 am
This isn't a matter of "trust." This is a matter of 100% confidence. If you are 100% confident in someone, you two should facilitate a lynch.
You two haven't done that at all that I've seen.
Why?
I have no idea why you and Scotty haven't done so.
No. Why would we do that?
Why would we not just each make the cases in our own heads. Why would we ‘work together to facilitate a case’
You keep saying we should. You can’t answer the question of why we should.
There’s nothing town-leaning about acting as a hive mind.
I didn't say anything about a hive mind. I never said you two had to vote together.
I said
"make a transparent effort to get on the same page together."
So you’re excused from doing it with svs because you’re different, but I have to do it with Scotty. Got it.
I’m not into your hypocrisy. I had no time in the thread this phase because of my father and you’re so butt hurt that I can use that as an excuse when it’s not, it’s just a fact.
If I wanted to play town like vompatti I would be entirely entitled to do that.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:01 am
This isn't a matter of "trust." This is a matter of 100% confidence. If you are 100% confident in someone, you two should facilitate a lynch.
You two haven't done that at all that I've seen.
Why?
I have no idea why you and Scotty haven't done so.
No. Why would we do that?
Why would we not just each make the cases in our own heads. Why would we ‘work together to facilitate a case’
You keep saying we should. You can’t answer the question of why we should.
There’s nothing town-leaning about acting as a hive mind.
I didn't say anything about a hive mind. I never said you two had to vote together.
I said
"make a transparent effort to get on the same page together."
And I explained to you why I didn’t have time for effort.
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:10 am
So you’re excused from doing it with svs because you’re different, but I have to do it with Scotty. Got it.
I’m not into your hypocrisy. I had no time in the thread this phase because of my father and you’re so butt hurt that I can use that as an excuse when it’s not, it’s just a fact.
If I wanted to play town like vompatti I would be entirely entitled to do that.
Don't pretend Epignosis and S~V~S can get on the same page as easily as Golden and Scotty could. That's not even close, and you know it.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:01 am
This isn't a matter of "trust." This is a matter of 100% confidence. If you are 100% confident in someone, you two should facilitate a lynch.
You two haven't done that at all that I've seen.
Why?
I have no idea why you and Scotty haven't done so.
No. Why would we do that?
Why would we not just each make the cases in our own heads. Why would we ‘work together to facilitate a case’
You keep saying we should. You can’t answer the question of why we should.
There’s nothing town-leaning about acting as a hive mind.
I didn't say anything about a hive mind. I never said you two had to vote together.
I said
"make a transparent effort to get on the same page together."
And I explained to you why I didn’t have time for effort.
No, I'm done in this thread. I can't participate because any avenue I wish to explore can't be explored, so I feel as though I'm wasting my time. Golden wants to clear Scotty, but I'm never permitted to explore the possibility that the two of them are bad together.
This game is impossible to play. I'm going to come in, vote, and that's all you will get from me.
Like honestly epi if you come at me about my ‘effirt’ in mafia... it’s the most hypocritical thing you can do.
You give no effort to be transparent. You give no effort to ever try to appear town. You avoid town cores. You piss around with people. People ask you questions and you make no real attempt to answer them.
This is the thing I hate most about playing mafia - that others think THEIR expectations of how I should play drives how I should play.
I don’t give a shit about how you think I should play. But attacking for lack of effort under the circumstances is just shitty.
(And yes, I am a bit sensitive about ‘effort’ right now since I nearly lost my job for ‘lack of effort’ who’s working 60 hour weeks).
I won’t stand for your hypocrisy. Why don’t you try making genuine efforts to be transparent and then maybe I’ll take advice from you. In the mean time, how much effort I put in to a game is my call and mine exclusively.
In this game I’ve put in substantial effort. Check out the post count.
I will not be bullied into forcing Scotty, daisy or Mac to have ‘transparent effort about getting on the same page’ with me. I’ll talk about my views in the thread, they will talk about theirs, and in the end each person will vote as they choose.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:20 am
No, I'm done in this thread. I can't participate because any avenue I wish to explore can't be explored, so I feel as though I'm wasting my time. Golden wants to clear Scotty, but I'm never permitted to explore the possibility that the two of them are bad together.
This game is impossible to play. I'm going to come in, vote, and that's all you will get from me.
Sure you can explore the idea we are bad together.
You could start by answering either of the two questions I put to you about your suspicion.
Or are you the only one allowed to ask the questions?
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:17 am
lets not forget to keep it classy yall
Sprit, I stumble into every one of these games drunk as a skunk at 2:30 a.m. on a weekend and make enough typos that Epignosis personally should call my alma mater and have my English degree recalled. I abandoned class long ago.
When I get the "OMG SCOTTY AND SPACEDAISY AND MACDOUGALL ARE 100% CIVILIANS" role I'll be sure to put forth some effort in a game with zero flips and nothing for me to advance on but everybody's word.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:34 am
When I get the "OMG SCOTTY AND SPACEDAISY AND MACDOUGALL ARE 100% CIVILIANS" role I'll be sure to put forth some effort in a game with zero flips and nothing for me to advance on but everybody's word.
Only scotty was cleared by my role as I’ve made clear multiple times.
Mac and Daisy were cleared through their own actions. They aren’t 100%, but I struggle to make sense of certain actions if they are bad.
Are you telling me I’m not putting in effort? Is that what you’re saying? I mean, even still, your posts aren’t actually enlightening me about what it is exactly you find odd or suspicious.
Imagine you survive a night kill attempt because the doctor saved you, and you know there was a night kill attempt and you know that doctor was me. What percentage would you put on trusting me at that point?
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:34 am
When I get the "OMG SCOTTY AND SPACEDAISY AND MACDOUGALL ARE 100% CIVILIANS" role I'll be sure to put forth some effort in a game with zero flips and nothing for me to advance on but everybody's word.
Only scotty was cleared by my role as I’ve made clear multiple times.
Mac and Daisy were cleared through their own actions. They aren’t 100%, but I struggle to make sense of certain actions if they are bad.
Are you telling me I’m not putting in effort? Is that what you’re saying? I mean, even still, your posts aren’t actually enlightening me about what it is exactly you find odd or suspicious.
I accused you of not putting forth effort in one area of this game: Getting on the same page with Scotty- the one person you claim to be 100% sure is a civilian.
I have a problem with that. I have no problem with your effort otherwise. Stop making it about anything else.
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:39 am
I just want to give a hypothetical here epi
Imagine you survive a night kill attempt because the doctor saved you, and you know there was a night kill attempt and you know that doctor was me. What percentage would you put on trusting me at that point?
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:34 am
When I get the "OMG SCOTTY AND SPACEDAISY AND MACDOUGALL ARE 100% CIVILIANS" role I'll be sure to put forth some effort in a game with zero flips and nothing for me to advance on but everybody's word.
Only scotty was cleared by my role as I’ve made clear multiple times.
Mac and Daisy were cleared through their own actions. They aren’t 100%, but I struggle to make sense of certain actions if they are bad.
Are you telling me I’m not putting in effort? Is that what you’re saying? I mean, even still, your posts aren’t actually enlightening me about what it is exactly you find odd or suspicious.
I accused you of not putting forth effort in one area of this game: Getting on the same page with Scotty- the one person you claim to be 100% sure is a civilian.
I have a problem with that. I have no problem with your effort otherwise. Stop making it about anything else.
Ok well:
Exactly what instances were scotty and I not on the same page?
Exactly how little effort did we put in?
Exactly what effort do you expect?
Why do you expect that effort? What do you think is townie about it? What do you think is bad about the opposite?
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:34 am
When I get the "OMG SCOTTY AND SPACEDAISY AND MACDOUGALL ARE 100% CIVILIANS" role I'll be sure to put forth some effort in a game with zero flips and nothing for me to advance on but everybody's word.
Only scotty was cleared by my role as I’ve made clear multiple times.
Mac and Daisy were cleared through their own actions. They aren’t 100%, but I struggle to make sense of certain actions if they are bad.
Are you telling me I’m not putting in effort? Is that what you’re saying? I mean, even still, your posts aren’t actually enlightening me about what it is exactly you find odd or suspicious.
I accused you of not putting forth effort in one area of this game: Getting on the same page with Scotty- the one person you claim to be 100% sure is a civilian.
I have a problem with that. I have no problem with your effort otherwise. Stop making it about anything else.
Ok well:
Exactly what instances were scotty and I not on the same page?
Exactly how little effort did we put in?
Exactly what effort do you expect?
Why do you expect that effort? What do you think is townie about it? What do you think is bad about the opposite?
I said I'm done, Golden. I meant that. You can run this game. You're already doing it.
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:39 am
I just want to give a hypothetical here epi
Imagine you survive a night kill attempt because the doctor saved you, and you know there was a night kill attempt and you know that doctor was me. What percentage would you put on trusting me at that point?
Something like that happened once and I lost.
Simple request.
If you genuinely want an engaged conversation, stop with the cute answers. You are making out like you’re so put on by me here, but you won’t answer a single thing straight.
You are coming at me over semantics but making no effort to transparently engage yourself.
If you want a real conversation about whether I’m bad, engage in it properly and earnestly.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:34 am
When I get the "OMG SCOTTY AND SPACEDAISY AND MACDOUGALL ARE 100% CIVILIANS" role I'll be sure to put forth some effort in a game with zero flips and nothing for me to advance on but everybody's word.
Only scotty was cleared by my role as I’ve made clear multiple times.
Mac and Daisy were cleared through their own actions. They aren’t 100%, but I struggle to make sense of certain actions if they are bad.
Are you telling me I’m not putting in effort? Is that what you’re saying? I mean, even still, your posts aren’t actually enlightening me about what it is exactly you find odd or suspicious.
I accused you of not putting forth effort in one area of this game: Getting on the same page with Scotty- the one person you claim to be 100% sure is a civilian.
I have a problem with that. I have no problem with your effort otherwise. Stop making it about anything else.
Ok well:
Exactly what instances were scotty and I not on the same page?
Exactly how little effort did we put in?
Exactly what effort do you expect?
Why do you expect that effort? What do you think is townie about it? What do you think is bad about the opposite?
I said I'm done, Golden. I meant that. You can run this game. You're already doing it.
I didn’t run the last phase and you’re coming at me for NOT doing it.
But ok then. If you won’t actually engage in your suspicion, I can’t engage back.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:34 am
When I get the "OMG SCOTTY AND SPACEDAISY AND MACDOUGALL ARE 100% CIVILIANS" role I'll be sure to put forth some effort in a game with zero flips and nothing for me to advance on but everybody's word.
Only scotty was cleared by my role as I’ve made clear multiple times.
Mac and Daisy were cleared through their own actions. They aren’t 100%, but I struggle to make sense of certain actions if they are bad.
Are you telling me I’m not putting in effort? Is that what you’re saying? I mean, even still, your posts aren’t actually enlightening me about what it is exactly you find odd or suspicious.
I accused you of not putting forth effort in one area of this game: Getting on the same page with Scotty- the one person you claim to be 100% sure is a civilian.
I have a problem with that. I have no problem with your effort otherwise. Stop making it about anything else.
Ok well:
Exactly what instances were scotty and I not on the same page?
Exactly how little effort did we put in?
Exactly what effort do you expect?
Why do you expect that effort? What do you think is townie about it? What do you think is bad about the opposite?
I said I'm done, Golden. I meant that. You can run this game. You're already doing it.
I didn’t run the last phase and you’re coming at me for NOT doing it.
But ok then. If you won’t actually engage in your suspicion, I can’t engage back.
I said I'll leave you be. Isn't that good enough for you? Get the win, Golden!
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:58 pm
If Golden and Scotty are "a pair" why aren't they voting together?
What kind of question is this? We still have our own opinions.
If you are both utterly convinced that the other one is a civ then why are you not making more of an effort in the thread to unify your vote to achieve what you need?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:58 pm
If Golden and Scotty are "a pair" why aren't they voting together?
What kind of question is this? We still have our own opinions.
If you are both utterly convinced that the other one is a civ then why are you not making more of an effort in the thread to unify your vote to achieve what you need?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:58 pm
If Golden and Scotty are "a pair" why aren't they voting together?
What kind of question is this? We still have our own opinions.
If you are both utterly convinced that the other one is a civ then why are you not making more of an effort in the thread to unify your vote to achieve what you need?
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:58 pm
If Golden and Scotty are "a pair" why aren't they voting together?
What kind of question is this? We still have our own opinions.
If you are both utterly convinced that the other one is a civ then why are you not making more of an effort in the thread to unify your vote to achieve what you need?
Seems fishy to me.
Don't question him.
He'll get mad.
You’re the one who refused to answer questions, while also shutting your ears to the answers I was trying to give.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:20 am
No, I'm done in this thread. I can't participate because any avenue I wish to explore can't be explored, so I feel as though I'm wasting my time. Golden wants to clear Scotty, but I'm never permitted to explore the possibility that the two of them are bad together.
This game is impossible to play. I'm going to come in, vote, and that's all you will get from me.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:58 pm
If Golden and Scotty are "a pair" why aren't they voting together?
What kind of question is this? We still have our own opinions.
If you are both utterly convinced that the other one is a civ then why are you not making more of an effort in the thread to unify your vote to achieve what you need?
Seems fishy to me.
Don't question him.
He'll get mad.
You’re the one who refused to answer questions, while also shutting your ears to the answers I was trying to give.
You tried to turn this into a hypocrisy issue while equating S~V~S with Scotty. Nah.
It’s not my fault I got my role description that I did. It’s not Daisy’s fault she got the one she did, read my town on day one, and gave me a token of trust.
But I hate that you oppose the idea that I could have knowledge so strenuously to the point it affects your ability to enjoy the game because you don’t have the same.
If you want me to seek a replacement I’ll seek a replacement. But this is not fair to speed or anyone else. This is a game that enables infogathering and infodumping. It is what it is. I can’t help it. I can’t help that I don’t play it the way you think I should play it. I’m sorry if it causes you to be frustrated at me or the game.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:58 pm
If Golden and Scotty are "a pair" why aren't they voting together?
What kind of question is this? We still have our own opinions.
If you are both utterly convinced that the other one is a civ then why are you not making more of an effort in the thread to unify your vote to achieve what you need?
Seems fishy to me.
Don't question him.
He'll get mad.
You’re the one who refused to answer questions, while also shutting your ears to the answers I was trying to give.
You tried to turn this into a hypocrisy issue while equating S~V~S with Scotty. Nah.
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:21 am
Like honestly epi if you come at me about my ‘effirt’ in mafia... it’s the most hypocritical thing you can do.
You give no effort to be transparent. You give no effort to ever try to appear town. You avoid town cores. You piss around with people. People ask you questions and you make no real attempt to answer them.
This is the thing I hate most about playing mafia - that others think THEIR expectations of how I should play drives how I should play.
I don’t give a shit about how you think I should play. But attacking for lack of effort under the circumstances is just shitty.
(And yes, I am a bit sensitive about ‘effort’ right now since I nearly lost my job for ‘lack of effort’ who’s working 60 hour weeks).
I won’t stand for your hypocrisy. Why don’t you try making genuine efforts to be transparent and then maybe I’ll take advice from you. In the mean time, how much effort I put in to a game is my call and mine exclusively.
In this game I’ve put in substantial effort. Check out the post count.
I will not be bullied into forcing Scotty, daisy or Mac to have ‘transparent effort about getting on the same page’ with me. I’ll talk about my views in the thread, they will talk about theirs, and in the end each person will vote as they choose.
Golden I think you are overreacting man. You should try to see it from our perspective here. What's the use of having a public town bloc if you don't coordinate them as a voting bloc? This is your bloc so it's your responsibility imo. Nobody begrudges you being away from the thread because of personal reasons but you were posting and here as much as anyone even though you didn't realise it so a simple effort towards getting your town bloc voting together would have made a lot of sense given how adamant you were about sig's alignment.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:58 pm
If Golden and Scotty are "a pair" why aren't they voting together?
What kind of question is this? We still have our own opinions.
If you are both utterly convinced that the other one is a civ then why are you not making more of an effort in the thread to unify your vote to achieve what you need?
Seems fishy to me.
Don't question him.
He'll get mad.
You’re the one who refused to answer questions, while also shutting your ears to the answers I was trying to give.
You tried to turn this into a hypocrisy issue while equating S~V~S with Scotty. Nah.
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:21 am
Like honestly epi if you come at me about my ‘effirt’ in mafia... it’s the most hypocritical thing you can do.
You give no effort to be transparent. You give no effort to ever try to appear town. You avoid town cores. You piss around with people. People ask you questions and you make no real attempt to answer them.
This is the thing I hate most about playing mafia - that others think THEIR expectations of how I should play drives how I should play.
I don’t give a shit about how you think I should play. But attacking for lack of effort under the circumstances is just shitty.
(And yes, I am a bit sensitive about ‘effort’ right now since I nearly lost my job for ‘lack of effort’ who’s working 60 hour weeks).
I won’t stand for your hypocrisy. Why don’t you try making genuine efforts to be transparent and then maybe I’ll take advice from you. In the mean time, how much effort I put in to a game is my call and mine exclusively.
In this game I’ve put in substantial effort. Check out the post count.
I will not be bullied into forcing Scotty, daisy or Mac to have ‘transparent effort about getting on the same page’ with me. I’ll talk about my views in the thread, they will talk about theirs, and in the end each person will vote as they choose.
Golden I think you are overreacting man. You should try to see it from our perspective here. What's the use of having a public town bloc if you don't coordinate them as a voting bloc? This is your bloc so it's your responsibility imo. Nobody begrudges you being away from the thread because of personal reasons but you were posting and here as much as anyone even though you didn't realise it so a simple effort towards getting your town bloc voting together would have made a lot of sense given how adamant you were about sig's alignment.
Mac
Understand this well.
This is a game. It is not real life. I have no responsibility to any of you. You come after all of the things I have actual responsibilities to.
I made what effort I could to convince you to vote sig. you wouldn’t. I don’t know who Scotty did vote or who he suspected. Zero idea. I expected he would vote sig. I’m not sure I even read a post from him in the last phase.
I engage with people that are there with me. Any perceived responsibility others think I have is their burden. I always give the best effort I can, but I feel no burden or responsibility to do that. I do it because it’s what I expect of myself.
It’s not my fault I got my role description that I did. It’s not Daisy’s fault she got the one she did, read my town on day one, and gave me a token of trust.
But I hate that you oppose the idea that I could have knowledge so strenuously to the point it affects your ability to enjoy the game because you don’t have the same.
If you want me to seek a replacement I’ll seek a replacement. But this is not fair to speed or anyone else. This is a game that enables infogathering and infodumping. It is what it is. I can’t help it. I can’t help that I don’t play it the way you think I should play it. I’m sorry if it causes you to be frustrated at me or the game.
Please stop overreacting so much Golden. I do not have the benefit of information so you need to just deal with the fact that I remain sceptical and stop throwing your toys out of the pram every time I ask a question when something unusual occurs. I don't want to "just accept it" or whatever it is that you expect of me because I'd feel like a complete fool if I just did that and then we lost.
Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:21 am
Like honestly epi if you come at me about my ‘effirt’ in mafia... it’s the most hypocritical thing you can do.
You give no effort to be transparent. You give no effort to ever try to appear town. You avoid town cores. You piss around with people. People ask you questions and you make no real attempt to answer them.
This is the thing I hate most about playing mafia - that others think THEIR expectations of how I should play drives how I should play.
I don’t give a shit about how you think I should play. But attacking for lack of effort under the circumstances is just shitty.
(And yes, I am a bit sensitive about ‘effort’ right now since I nearly lost my job for ‘lack of effort’ who’s working 60 hour weeks).
I won’t stand for your hypocrisy. Why don’t you try making genuine efforts to be transparent and then maybe I’ll take advice from you. In the mean time, how much effort I put in to a game is my call and mine exclusively.
In this game I’ve put in substantial effort. Check out the post count.
I will not be bullied into forcing Scotty, daisy or Mac to have ‘transparent effort about getting on the same page’ with me. I’ll talk about my views in the thread, they will talk about theirs, and in the end each person will vote as they choose.
Golden I think you are overreacting man. You should try to see it from our perspective here. What's the use of having a public town bloc if you don't coordinate them as a voting bloc? This is your bloc so it's your responsibility imo. Nobody begrudges you being away from the thread because of personal reasons but you were posting and here as much as anyone even though you didn't realise it so a simple effort towards getting your town bloc voting together would have made a lot of sense given how adamant you were about sig's alignment.
