WWE MAFIA - Day 14

#1451

Bad lief fake confusion.

#1452

@MP- actually it's not just the posts about me you are being flip floppy about. It's pretty much the majority of the players you are doing it for. It just reads to me like you're waiting for someone to make a case on anyone so you can jump on it and say "oh yeah- I'm suspicious if them too! Look at this big long post I made about them already!!!"

#1453

Working on recap of Lou as we speak. She has almost 100 posts....

Sorsha wrote:@MP- actually it's not just the posts about me you are being flip floppy about. It's pretty much the majority of the players you are doing it for. It just reads to me like you're waiting for someone to make a case on anyone so you can jump on it and say "oh yeah- I'm suspicious if them too! Look at this big long post I made about them already!!!"

And you think that makes me bad?

Let me tell you, if I were bad, I would NOT behave like that. I'm a pretty independent player, regardless of alignment, and I detest jumping on cases that other players make. I much prefer to make them myself.

So your interpretation of my actions is incorrect.

#1454

Also, Sorsha, do you realize just how wrong that is?

Lest we forget, I could have EASILY fit that criteria and jumped on the Mongoose bandwagon. I did not because I thought it was grossly wrong. And lest we forget, I put myself out there explaining my entire thought process in detail as to my vote regarding Russ.

Why don't you start judging me based on the over 100 posts I have made and the actions I have taken instead of interpretations of my actions that have not even occurred?

#1455

Epignosis wrote:Bad lief fake confusion.

Loulou26 wrote:Hey guys, yay the game started. I'm a little confused about what's happening though

"I Red Bishop have BTSC. I'm confused!"

Thoughts?

#1456

Epignosis wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Bad lief fake confusion.

Loulou26 wrote:Hey guys, yay the game started. I'm a little confused about what's happening though
"I Red Bishop have BTSC. I'm confused!"

Thoughts?

Ah-ha! It's SO funny you mention this because I literally have a post typed up regarding this, as I'm reading Lou right now.

Trust me, my thoughts are in the making.

#1457

In fact, Epig, I'm going to post this first part now even though I have plenty more to read -- because I believe it really hits the nail on the head with what you noticed with her as well.

Lou has 93 posts, which is kind of insane because I don't remember many main suspicions or things she's said. So instead of recapping all of her posts, I'll just summarize what I uncover by reading through all of them.

Now I know this is a new site for her, but take note of this. She uses the word confusion or expresses some sort of emotion that exemplifies confusion in all of the following posts:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 172#p44172 Her first post.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 184#p44184 Her second post.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 185#p44185 Her third post. She doesn't know what's "accepted" at this site yet.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 276#p44276 Her fourth post. Having a hard time keeping up.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 309#p44309 Kind of applies, she says this is like her first mafia game all over again.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 310#p44310 This post and the few thereafter are essentially questions regarding how our days/nights work.

She expresses herself as very agreeable in the following posts:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 279#p44279 Her fifth post. Agrees entirely with a sentiment of K4J.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 307#p44307 Her sixth post.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 309#p44309 Her eighth post.

Wow, I'm getting tired of doing this. I thought I said I wouldn't be covering it one by one.

Now I know this is a totally new environment for her so these feelings could be legitimate, but as I was reading through her first however many posts, I could not believe just how often she expresses these two qualities, two I did NOT see from her AT ALL in the KSite game we played together where she flipped civvie. So how much of this is attributable to reality and how much of it is attributable to false exaggeration? That's the question.

Plenty more to follow on Lou.

#1458

More on Lou.

Wow, check out these thoughts on Mongoose, as she slowly backs from an outsider point of view to going along with the suspicion. This is fascinating.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 890#p44890 She is very wary of all the suspicion against Mongoose. (AND MORE CONFUSION)
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 893#p44893 She expresses a similar sentiment here in response to my thoughts on Mongoose. (AND MORE AGREEABLENESS)
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 900#p44900 NOW she changes her tune. She doesn't understand why Mongoose is being defeatist. (I wonder... well, being suspected for something so ridiculous and then having people pound on you for it might do the trick).
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 907#p44907 "Interesting observation" by MR (which even I will admit was as well).
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 920#p44920 Furthering her switcheroo on Mongoose.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 927#p44927 Questions Mongoose about her vote.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 933#p44933
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 940#p44940 Empathizes with Mongoose.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 958#p44958 Starting to wonder if "she was wrong about Mongoose after all".

UGH, so after all of this, she then votes Epig. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 031#p45031

Her reasoning? "I'm going with Epignosis too. Something feels really odd about this whole situation and I don't like it."

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 039#p45039 She says Epig and Mongoose situation seems staged.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 768#p45768 Being more agreeable... TH actually makes a REALLY good point here in this quote pyramid.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 775#p45775 More confusion.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 791#p45791 More asking questions.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 807#p45807 While I am buying all of this confusion may be legit, this kind of seems OOT for me. She asks if K4J was drunk or if this is a game-related mechanic (when K4J is insanified). Now I know they don't have an insanifier over there, but I don't know, just seems OOT.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 810#p45810 This is pretty blendy.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 812#p45812 More agreeing with subtle suspicions against Mongoose.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 821#p45821 LOL complete misinterpretation or misrepresentation of my post.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 825#p45825 OH MY GOD SO BLENDY. Seriously.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 827#p45827 Okay, now she reacts that Mongoose has gotten a ton of votes and now it's too convenient??
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 834#p45834 She just throws a vote onto MR because she NOW doesn't want to touch Epig and Mongoose, hilariously because she's been sort of fueling it this whole time.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 937#p45937 Then she says she "must have had a feeling Mongoose was civvie" and that's why she never felt comfortable voting for her.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 312#p46312 Not so sure about Epig anymore... which makes NO SENSE because she just said before she didn't want to touch Epig and Mongoose anymore. She acts as if she never said that and actually vote for Epig, but she didn't!

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 337#p46337 More confusion

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 347#p46347 Agrees with Bullz that Devin is likely not bad because he's asking to die, though sets up a situation for her to switch her opinion

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 352#p46352 Here she says Lizzy concerns her

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 364#p46364 Hates self-voting, why would a baddie do it, agrees with TH

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 366#p46366 OH MY GOD. She says Vomps looks really suspicious here and that she'll probably vote for him... she hasn't even mentioned all those people she previously mentioned!!! What happened to her MR suspicion? She says he and Mata were very well worth looking after Mongoose flipped, then never explains why, and never really mentions MR again!

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 371#p46371 And THEN she votes Lizzy! Just because she voted Bullz and Bullz is the most civ because "he's doing the most analyzing". And Lizzy can't possibly be wrong?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 383#p46383 And then her most recent post expresses doubt in me which is HILARIOUS because she is way more guilty of what she says here than I am.

Throughout the game she also kind of throws suspicion onto people, then backs off.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 906#p44906 First, FZ., because she's 'playing differently'.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 930#p44930 TH
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 997#p44997 Again, FZ is playing differently. Never explains what that means exactly or how it makes her bad.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 004#p45004 Says she's been thinking about TH.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 006#p45006 Elaborates about FZ, but it doesn't really explain the suspicion at all IMO
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 321#p46321 Latches onto Epig's post about Dom
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 937#p45937 Throws onto being concerned about Mata and MR after Mongoose's flip
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 352#p46352 Now Lizzy
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 355#p46355 A little concerned about K4J
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 383#p46383 Now me

I would love to have others chime in on any of these recaps or any of my thoughts, including my list, since I've seen not much of it. I know it's the holiday season and people are busy, but we actually have a gold mine of possible suspicions, which IMO is what actually makes things difficult right now combined with the fact that players are not discussing enough, not the opposite.

ESPECIALLY any KSiters who want to comment on Lou, given what I highlighted here, that would be great. Would Lou do this as a civvie or baddie or both, taking into account this new environment?

Because I'm starting to think there's a very good chance Lou could be bad. This is so NOT civvie Lou that I saw on KSite and it all seems like such baddie behavior to me. Fake being confused, throw mud around at everyone!! The way she subtly fueled Mongoose and Epig then flip flopped all over the place without even explaining herself strikes me as so scummy. She just appears to be making everything up as she goes along IMO.

In fact, I think I'm going to vote for her today instead of anyone else. This was VERY illuminating. But I want to mull on this and want others to contribute what they think too.

#1459

Alright, phew. That was A LOT over the past few days. All of this list-making and re-reading has actually helped sort my thoughts pretty well though, I think. Frankly, I'm most leaning towards a Lou vote today. I can't see how a civvie would behave like that.

I am tempted to give Dom the BOTD because I think what I found in Lou's behavior is more damning than with Dom, but I still have my eye on him.

I also have my eye on Sorsha, Bass, and Devin even though I previously have written them off due to them being more or less 'normal' behavior or seeming genuine, though I'm far from ready to vote for any of them, for sure. I'm not sure any of them could be bad or civ still, so I don't think that's a worthwhile way to vote today.

Lizzy could very well be bad, and so could DP. Might be worthwhile ways to vote. I'm a bit hesitant still. I'd say DP would be better than Lizzy.

Then there's others. So I guess my likeliness to vote today looks like:
1) Lou
2) DP (unless he shows back up and explains himself, then might switch with Dom)
3) Dom
4) Lizzy

Then there's the clusterfuck that is other candidates but I don't think I can throw a vote on any of them right now.

#1460

Okay, going to let other people breathe. Lol. Please, I want thoughts!!! I'm willing to consider others' perspectives and I want to make sure we snag a baddie today if at all possible.

I have other things to do so I'll be back in the afternoon or evening to discuss more.

#1461

I am not voting Lou. I do not think she is all that scummy, and no I did not read that post...far too long and I don't really think anything can be determined from it, because I don't think you know her very well. I am going to say that I do not think you can compare her to what you saw on KSITE for two reasons, 1. she remarkably caught scum and faced massive suspicion and these things were not exactly her everyday game and 2. these are two completely different environments and she is not going to act the same, you can see her participation level is not exactly where it was on KSITE.
Also, she likes to question people and question things, make points but it does not necessarily mean she is suspicious, just trying to hunt.

#1462

OH MY GOD. You made things a bit bigger than they needed to be, huh?

#1463

Freckles is all very interesting to me.

#1464

kneel4justice wrote:I am not voting Lou. I do not think she is all that scummy, and no I did not read that post...far too long and I don't really think anything can be determined from it, because I don't think you know her very well. I am going to say that I do not think you can compare her to what you saw on KSITE for two reasons, 1. she remarkably caught scum and faced massive suspicion and these things were not exactly her everyday game and 2. these are two completely different environments and she is not going to act the same, you can see her participation level is not exactly where it was on KSITE.
Also, she likes to question people and question things, make points but it does not necessarily mean she is suspicious, just trying to hunt.

Sure, touche, I don't know her that well at all, which is why I asked for other opinions. So thanks for your opinion.

But that being said, I am using what I know to uncover baddies... and I find it interesting you don't see the kind of blendy, mudthrowing behavior that I do.

You don't have any other thoughts about anything else I've said? Who are your main suspects right now?

kneel4justice wrote:OH MY GOD. You made things a bit bigger than they needed to be, huh?

I'm sorry, what does this mean exactly? I don't understand.

#1465

Heh, I added an avatar for you, MR. It seemed appropriate for Mafia.

Also, excuse me for thinking that Christmas would have slowed down the pace of the game! Seems like antagonism is growing between people, especially with Dom and Devin. I think going for Epig while insanified would be a really low blow, however.

Not really sure how to take the Vomps kill. If anything, my only read is to be less suspicious of Sorsha, because I doubt her team would NK someone she voted for. I'm feeling more suspicious of the FZ kill. She was doing a lot of digging around in her last few posts before dying, and seems like someone may have taken offense.

#1466

Boomslang wrote:Heh, I added an avatar for you, MR. It seemed appropriate for Mafia.

Also, excuse me for thinking that Christmas would have slowed down the pace of the game! Seems like antagonism is growing between people, especially with Dom and Devin. I think going for Epig while insanified would be a really low blow, however.

Not really sure how to take the Vomps kill. If anything, my only read is to be less suspicious of Sorsha, because I doubt her team would NK someone she voted for. I'm feeling more suspicious of the FZ kill. She was doing a lot of digging around in her last few posts before dying, and seems like someone may have taken offense.

Nice avatar, Boomslang!

Very interesting interpretation of the two kills. I wasn't sure how I felt about the Vomps kill, but maybe you're right. There were more than a few players who were feeling aggravated at Vomps but who didn't vote for him; do you think they would have been so brave as to kill him or do you think this is a chaos move?

FZ kill -- I agree there. In fact, I'll look at her list post again, see what she had to say. I do remember some of it, but it wouldn't hurt to re-read.

What are you thinking regarding suspects today? Did you see anything of note in my Dom or Lou in my recap posts or any of the other points I made?

#1467

That is not bravery. Vompatti would never have been Dream Walker.

#1468

Epignosis wrote:That is not bravery. Vompatti would never have been Dream Walker.

What are you saying? He wasn't a threat? If so, I agree, you're right that "bravery" is not the right word. Perhaps more like... I don't know, stubbornness. Because it seems obvious to me Vomps wasn't killed for being a threat but for being an annoyance -- or to frame someone who found him an annoyance. The former seems more likely to me, but what do I know? It's probably overanalyzation.

#1469

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:That is not bravery. Vompatti would never have been Dream Walker.
What are you saying? He wasn't a threat? If so, I agree, you're right that "bravery" is not the right word. Perhaps more like... I don't know, stubbornness. Because it seems obvious to me Vomps wasn't killed for being a threat but for being an annoyance -- or to frame someone who found him an annoyance. The former seems more likely to me, but what do I know? It's probably overanalyzation.

The person who killed brinded was not being miscite but safe.

Vompatti track never be lynched but Kate not be protected lostaddict12.

#1470

My suspects, it's hard because I feel out of it after suspecting Mata and Russ, but I am wondering about Sorsha, MP and SVS.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:OH MY GOD. You made things a bit bigger than they needed to be, huh?
I'm sorry, what does this mean exactly? I don't understand.

I just feel like you're trying to make things appear bigger than they are.
For example, when you say "OH MY GOD" about her post regarding Vomps, I just do not see it as a big deal, not big enough to say "OH MY GOD" perhaps noteworthy, but it feels very forced to me.

#1471

Epignosis wrote:That is not bravery. Vompatti would never have been Dream Walker.

Do you suspect MP?
Do you suspect SVS?

#1472

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 482#p46482 This is FZ's last post, her list contribution.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 471#p46471 Also a few posts before her last, here she said some people she trusted and suspected:

FZ. wrote: Ah, that will be really hard because I still haven't figured who is who with half the people, but I'll give it a try.
I can tell you that I think I trust Bullzeye, you, K4J, Devin. I guess I'll believe Epi in his trust for Elo, even if I'm not sure he is a civ. Hedge seems OK at the moment.

People I'm worried about: SVS, Epig, Bass (I think that's him), Lizzie, Zany dex, Lou a little...and I can't remember who else is playing.
I'll try going over the list later and sort through my thoughts

Whether someone killed her because she was onto something... good question. She was killed the SK though, not a baddie team, so god only knows.

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:That is not bravery. Vompatti would never have been Dream Walker.
What are you saying? He wasn't a threat? If so, I agree, you're right that "bravery" is not the right word. Perhaps more like... I don't know, stubbornness. Because it seems obvious to me Vomps wasn't killed for being a threat but for being an annoyance -- or to frame someone who found him an annoyance. The former seems more likely to me, but what do I know? It's probably overanalyzation.
The person who killed brinded was not being miscite but safe.

Vompatti track never be lynched but Kate not be protected lostaddict12.

Why did you of all people have to be insanified?

#1473

kneel4justice wrote:My suspects, it's hard because I feel out of it after suspecting Mata and Russ, but I am wondering about Sorsha, MP and SVS.
MovingPictures07 wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:OH MY GOD. You made things a bit bigger than they needed to be, huh?
I'm sorry, what does this mean exactly? I don't understand.
I just feel like you're trying to make things appear bigger than they are.
For example, when you say "OH MY GOD" about her post regarding Vomps, I just do not see it as a big deal, not big enough to say "OH MY GOD" perhaps noteworthy, but it feels very forced to me.

You're wondering about me and S~V~S, that's interesting.

You wonder about me because you feel I'm trying to make things appear bigger than they are? And I presume you don't appreciate my attempts to scumhunt.

I wonder if that's because I am onto something and you don't like it.

Regarding my 'OH MY GOD', yes, she is blendy as hell. If you don't see it as a big deal, fine. But I think Lou's behavior has been really mudslinging, she never even explains most of her suspicions, she just kind of backs onto someone, then back off, then throws it somewhere else, and she has been confused a lot.

If you think it's genuine, that's your prerogative and something I will certainly consider.

But so you disagree that it's not as noteworthy as I do, you therefore think it's forced, and therefore that makes me bad?

I don't think I buy it. I was really thinking you were civvie, and you still could be, but I'm starting to wonder about you now.

#1474

kneel4justice wrote:
Epignosis wrote:That is not bravery. Vompatti would never have been Dream Walker.
Do you suspect MP?
Do you suspect SVS?

hysterical little streetwalker both.

#1475

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Boomslang wrote:Heh, I added an avatar for you, MR. It seemed appropriate for Mafia.

Also, excuse me for thinking that Christmas would have slowed down the pace of the game! Seems like antagonism is growing between people, especially with Dom and Devin. I think going for Epig while insanified would be a really low blow, however.

Not really sure how to take the Vomps kill. If anything, my only read is to be less suspicious of Sorsha, because I doubt her team would NK someone she voted for. I'm feeling more suspicious of the FZ kill. She was doing a lot of digging around in her last few posts before dying, and seems like someone may have taken offense.
Nice avatar, Boomslang!

Very interesting interpretation of the two kills. I wasn't sure how I felt about the Vomps kill, but maybe you're right. There were more than a few players who were feeling aggravated at Vomps but who didn't vote for him; do you think they would have been so brave as to kill him or do you think this is a chaos move?

FZ kill -- I agree there. In fact, I'll look at her list post again, see what she had to say. I do remember some of it, but it wouldn't hurt to re-read.

What are you thinking regarding suspects today? Did you see anything of note in my Dom or Lou in my recap posts or any of the other points I made?

I'm really not sure re: Vomps. My gut is that it wasn't a chaos kill but a kill meant to reduce chaos, eliminate someone who didn't respond predictably. The cop show phrase "loose cannon" applies here :P

About suspects today, skimmed through your post on Lou, and I don't think it's as damming as you're suggesting. The Mongoose posts look like someone trying to grasp a confusing situation rather than an act, at least to me. The Epig and MR votes could be read as her just trying to put off a decision about the Goose. Dom... maybe, but he's needling an awful lot. Lizzy may have the most potential. She's been flying really low, dropping hints about being indie, and analyzed FZ, who made some lengthy posts before dying, as civ.

#1476

I'm sorry that I haven't been around since I got rezzed! Being incredibly busy the last few days, plus developing the flu today, plus being in 3 games has kept me from really even posting in 2 of them. I'm going to do my best to try and catch up though!

#1477

MovingPictures07 wrote: You're wondering about me and S~V~S, that's interesting.

You wonder about me because you feel I'm trying to make things appear bigger than they are? And I presume you don't appreciate my attempts to scumhunt.

I wonder if that's because I am onto something and you don't like it.

Regarding my 'OH MY GOD', yes, she is blendy as hell. If you don't see it as a big deal, fine. But I think Lou's behavior has been really mudslinging, she never even explains most of her suspicions, she just kind of backs onto someone, then back off, then throws it somewhere else, and she has been confused a lot.

If you think it's genuine, that's your prerogative and something I will certainly consider.

But so you disagree that it's not as noteworthy as I do, you therefore think it's forced, and therefore that makes me bad?

I don't think I buy it. I was really thinking you were civvie, and you still could be, but I'm starting to wonder about you now.

Why are you noting those suspicions as interesting, like they're brand new or something. I've said it multiple times, and you knew that. So why now, of all times, do you decide to note them as interesting? I don't find them all that interesting to be honest.

That's not the case. Perhaps I am being defensive of Lou because she is a good friend and I am blind, but not because you are onto something. I will be the first person to take advantage of my scum buddies to make me look better. You don't know that and I am not sure if there is anyone who will comment and verify this, but that's the truth. The one time I defended a scum buddy I tipped people off that they were my godfather, never again.

It is in character for Lou to question things, drop them. It looks like she's suspicious when she's just looking for more information. Sure, she can do it as scum but it's a general trait of hers, I think. I never really understand it, but it's her. That's why I am defending it. It can be blendy but that doesn't mean it's scummy.

I did not disagree that it was noteworthy, I said it may be. However, what I do not like or am curious about is the fact that you added the extra parts like "OH MY GOD" or really the things you put in capitals. It strikes me like you're forcing it and trying to persuade people to see that it is extremely scummy rather than just possibly scummy.

What is weird is that just because of this one post, you're now wondering if I am scum. After I was VERY civvie. Is it not possible that we just disagree with eachother? I don't really like it because it feels like you're trying to discredit me by saying "oh well you might be scum so I might not listen as much as I would have when you were very civvie".

#1478

Epignosis wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
Epignosis wrote:That is not bravery. Vompatti would never have been Dream Walker.
Do you suspect MP?
Do you suspect SVS?

hysterical little streetwalker both.

Does this mean a little bit of both?
Lol you could just say "yes, yeah, ya, yep" It won't change all of them. Repetition is key, LOL.

#1479

Boomslang wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Boomslang wrote:Heh, I added an avatar for you, MR. It seemed appropriate for Mafia.

Also, excuse me for thinking that Christmas would have slowed down the pace of the game! Seems like antagonism is growing between people, especially with Dom and Devin. I think going for Epig while insanified would be a really low blow, however.

Not really sure how to take the Vomps kill. If anything, my only read is to be less suspicious of Sorsha, because I doubt her team would NK someone she voted for. I'm feeling more suspicious of the FZ kill. She was doing a lot of digging around in her last few posts before dying, and seems like someone may have taken offense.
Nice avatar, Boomslang!

Very interesting interpretation of the two kills. I wasn't sure how I felt about the Vomps kill, but maybe you're right. There were more than a few players who were feeling aggravated at Vomps but who didn't vote for him; do you think they would have been so brave as to kill him or do you think this is a chaos move?

FZ kill -- I agree there. In fact, I'll look at her list post again, see what she had to say. I do remember some of it, but it wouldn't hurt to re-read.

What are you thinking regarding suspects today? Did you see anything of note in my Dom or Lou in my recap posts or any of the other points I made?
I'm really not sure re: Vomps. My gut is that it wasn't a chaos kill but a kill meant to reduce chaos, eliminate someone who didn't respond predictably. The cop show phrase "loose cannon" applies here :P

About suspects today, skimmed through your post on Lou, and I don't think it's as damming as you're suggesting. The Mongoose posts look like someone trying to grasp a confusing situation rather than an act, at least to me. The Epig and MR votes could be read as her just trying to put off a decision about the Goose. Dom... maybe, but he's needling an awful lot. Lizzy may have the most potential. She's been flying really low, dropping hints about being indie, and analyzed FZ, who made some lengthy posts before dying, as civ.

Hmmm... thanks for the thoughts, those are insightful.

You think Lizzy is the SK then? The weird thing about the SK is that it did not successfully kill Nights 1 and 2, but finally had on Night 3.

#1480

Oh and MP. It's not that I do not appreciate attempts at scumhunting, it's just that I am wondering if it's coming from a scum.

#1481

MP has a few tells when he is bad and I've seen one of Zelda so far.

But that's not Psionic Ninja for cirrocumulus as pursy.

#1482

kneel4justice wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: You're wondering about me and S~V~S, that's interesting.

You wonder about me because you feel I'm trying to make things appear bigger than they are? And I presume you don't appreciate my attempts to scumhunt.

I wonder if that's because I am onto something and you don't like it.

Regarding my 'OH MY GOD', yes, she is blendy as hell. If you don't see it as a big deal, fine. But I think Lou's behavior has been really mudslinging, she never even explains most of her suspicions, she just kind of backs onto someone, then back off, then throws it somewhere else, and she has been confused a lot.

If you think it's genuine, that's your prerogative and something I will certainly consider.

But so you disagree that it's not as noteworthy as I do, you therefore think it's forced, and therefore that makes me bad?

I don't think I buy it. I was really thinking you were civvie, and you still could be, but I'm starting to wonder about you now.
Why are you noting those suspicions as interesting, like they're brand new or something. I've said it multiple times, and you knew that. So why now, of all times, do you decide to note them as interesting? I don't find them all that interesting to be honest.

That's not the case. Perhaps I am being defensive of Lou because she is a good friend and I am blind, but not because you are onto something. I will be the first person to take advantage of my scum buddies to make me look better. You don't know that and I am not sure if there is anyone who will comment and verify this, but that's the truth. The one time I defended a scum buddy I tipped people off that they were my godfather, never again.

It is in character for Lou to question things, drop them. It looks like she's suspicious when she's just looking for more information. Sure, she can do it as scum but it's a general trait of hers, I think. I never really understand it, but it's her. That's why I am defending it. It can be blendy but that doesn't mean it's scummy.

I did not disagree that it was noteworthy, I said it may be. However, what I do not like or am curious about is the fact that you added the extra parts like "OH MY GOD" or really the things you put in capitals. It strikes me like you're forcing it and trying to persuade people to see that it is extremely scummy rather than just possibly scummy.

What is weird is that just because of this one post, you're now wondering if I am scum. After I was VERY civvie. Is it not possible that we just disagree with eachother? I don't really like it because it feels like you're trying to discredit me by saying "oh well you might be scum so I might not listen as much as I would have when you were very civvie".

I just find it interesting you continue to stick to your gut-based interpretations of mine and S~V~S's actions and you have nothing else to bring to the table. I'm not exactly sure what it means, but yes, it's interesting. Or maybe I just really like that word.

I understand that. I actually have been given serious pause about Lou given your and Boomslang's comments. I just hate flailing around, feeling like I have no idea who's deceiving me. I need something concrete. I had no idea about Dom and Lou but in reading their posts I thought I made observations that were noteworthy, but maybe they're way off the mark. Nowhere have I ever said I am any less infallible than anyone else. In fact, my track record as a civvie typically sucks. But that's not going to stop me from trying.

Thank you for contributing your thoughts on Lou. They do help. They just seem really blendy and suspicious to me -- and combined with the fact that no one has really been talking about Lou at all, I would love to think I actually uncovered something. I still would like to. But I don't know if I did. I still stand by my interpretation of her posts.

I'm not forcing it or trying to persuade anyone about anything. I was merely representing my gut reactions and my thought process as I was reading her posts. If you think it's OOT or forced or suspicious, then whatever, but you don't know me that well either, and I am an incredibly passionate mafia player when I become invested in a game. I'm heavily invested in this game so when I feel I'm finally onto something serious, I get excited, and I represent levels of how strongly I feel about something in terms of how I type it out.

I did/do wonder if you're scum because I still was thinking my Lou post caught a baddie, so my (paranoid) instinct was saying maybe you're trying to get me to doubt myself and look elsewhere, but that would be very risky and ballsy, and maybe it's not your style at all. It's not mine either, so I understand that.

I'm not trying to discredit you. In fact, you know Lou way better than I do, so players can take that as they wish. I NEVER said people have to do what I uncover or that I am always right or that I am the ultimate authority. I'm not. I'm just trying to scumhunt.

After hearing Boomslang's thoughts and sitting back for longer than two seconds, yes, I realize you probably are still civvie and that we disagree, but it's disheartening because I am trying to make sense of everything and I WANT CLARITY. Lol. Or maybe I've been reading your intentions as not genuine. You still are in my 'firmly civvie' category, but I will be the first to admit that my initial response to your response regarding Lou was for me to wonder about your alignment -- because I felt very confident in saying Lou was acting scummy, then you're all just like No, no, no, that's just not right, and I felt I was being shut down.

#1483

kneel4justice wrote:Oh and MP. It's not that I do not appreciate attempts at scumhunting, it's just that I am wondering if it's coming from a scum.

I understand and feel free to consider that. I'm not asking for everyone's trust because that's not right -- I know what role I am, but I recognize that no one else does. I just am frustrated when I spend all this time scumhunting and all it does is attract eyes. I get lynched 9 out of 10 games I play, regardless of alignment.

It's part of why I stopped making cases -- 1) Because no one would ever listen to me and it always got me lynched and 2) Because I realized most of the time I was wrong anyway.

#1484

Epignosis wrote:MP has a few tells when he is bad and I've seen one of Zelda so far.

But that's not Psionic Ninja for cirrocumulus as pursy.

Zelda? Lol.

I'm curious what you have to contribute regarding tells. I personally think my civvie and baddie games are blatantly different, but maybe that's just me.

#1485

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:MP has a few tells when he is bad and I've seen one of Zelda so far.

But that's not Psionic Ninja for cirrocumulus as pursy.
Zelda? Lol.

I'm curious what you have to contribute regarding tells. I personally think my civvie and baddie games are blatantly different, but maybe that's just me.

I'll Folding Raincoat tell you what Will O' The Wisp tells are.

#1486

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:MP has a few tells when he is bad and I've seen one of Zelda so far.

But that's not Psionic Ninja for cirrocumulus as pursy.
Zelda? Lol.

I'm curious what you have to contribute regarding tells. I personally think my civvie and baddie games are blatantly different, but maybe that's just me.
I'll Folding Raincoat tell you what Will O' The Wisp tells are.

LOL, that's your funniest insanified post so far.

#1487

MovingPictures07 wrote:I just find it interesting you continue to stick to your gut-based interpretations of mine and S~V~S's actions and you have nothing else to bring to the table. I'm not exactly sure what it means, but yes, it's interesting. Or maybe I just really like that word.

I think I have brought more than gut-based interpretations? Why exactly do you think I suspect you both? Because it feels like you're saying all I said was it was a feeling when that's not the case. In fact, didn't you agree with me on my suspicion of SVS? How are you now saying all I was doing was having a gut based interpretation. I'm confused by that phrase to begin with, actually.

#1488

MovingPictures07 wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:Oh and MP. It's not that I do not appreciate attempts at scumhunting, it's just that I am wondering if it's coming from a scum.
I understand and feel free to consider that. I'm not asking for everyone's trust because that's not right -- I know what role I am, but I recognize that no one else does. I just am frustrated when I spend all this time scumhunting and all it does is attract eyes. I get lynched 9 out of 10 games I play, regardless of alignment.

It's part of why I stopped making cases -- 1) Because no one would ever listen to me and it always got me lynched and 2) Because I realized most of the time I was wrong anyway.

You may be genuine and I am sure you're not lying but some of these posts come across to me as emotional appeals and I can't tell if they are genuine or not.

#1489

resty going rapparee look Tribunal of Judgment irregularity votes Fictional Moustache I vote Dr. Von Dreszen.

#1490

kneel4justice wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I just find it interesting you continue to stick to your gut-based interpretations of mine and S~V~S's actions and you have nothing else to bring to the table. I'm not exactly sure what it means, but yes, it's interesting. Or maybe I just really like that word.
I think I have brought more than gut-based interpretations? Why exactly do you think I suspect you both? Because it feels like you're saying all I said was it was a feeling when that's not the case. In fact, didn't you agree with me on my suspicion of SVS? How are you now saying all I was doing was having a gut based interpretation. I'm confused by that phrase to begin with, actually.

What you've said about me is that you think I'm trying too hard and there was that other time you said you thought I was "flowing" with your thoughts, but other than that, I really don't know. That sounds like gut-based interpretations of my actions to me.

As to S~V~S, I know we agreed on that. We both doubted her intentions when it came to her behavior and vote regarding Mongoose. But I don't agree with it anymore. Her explanation thereafter seemed genuine and I realize that I never see eye to eye with her, and that there were plenty of others who fed off of the Mongoose suspicion and suspected her when it made NO sense to me. Similar thing.

There's plenty of other players and other things going on, but you haven't really brought anything else to the table, as far as I remember. Like, I don't remember you saying anyone other than me and S~V~S was particularly suspicious in the last couple of cycles. Am I wrong; did I miss anything?

#1491

kneel4justice wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:Oh and MP. It's not that I do not appreciate attempts at scumhunting, it's just that I am wondering if it's coming from a scum.
I understand and feel free to consider that. I'm not asking for everyone's trust because that's not right -- I know what role I am, but I recognize that no one else does. I just am frustrated when I spend all this time scumhunting and all it does is attract eyes. I get lynched 9 out of 10 games I play, regardless of alignment.

It's part of why I stopped making cases -- 1) Because no one would ever listen to me and it always got me lynched and 2) Because I realized most of the time I was wrong anyway.
You may be genuine and I am sure you're not lying but some of these posts come across to me as emotional appeals and I can't tell if they are genuine or not.

I understand, and I realize there's nothing I can say to you convince you other than affirm they are genuine. It all comes down to whether you believe me. That's just the nature of mafia.

Now unfortunately I feel less certain about my prospective voting candidates... but I still feel I likely want to go with one of the four I mentioned earlier.

It still really bothers me there have been some players we haven't heard from AT ALL in the last two days at all. I mean, again, I know it's the holidays... and I am going to be REALLY busy, near absent soon myself (which is maybe why I'm ODing on it now, lol) because I'll be on vacation. But this Day 4 cycle has been like 50% me and 20% you and 20% insanified Epig and Dom.

#1492

YES I KNOW that's 90%. The other 10% is miscellaneous. Actually, maybe not even that much.

#1493

Epignosis wrote:resty going rapparee look Tribunal of Judgment irregularity votes Fictional Moustache I vote Dr. Von Dreszen.

What?

Did you vote for someone?

#1494

MovingPictures07 wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I just find it interesting you continue to stick to your gut-based interpretations of mine and S~V~S's actions and you have nothing else to bring to the table. I'm not exactly sure what it means, but yes, it's interesting. Or maybe I just really like that word.
I think I have brought more than gut-based interpretations? Why exactly do you think I suspect you both? Because it feels like you're saying all I said was it was a feeling when that's not the case. In fact, didn't you agree with me on my suspicion of SVS? How are you now saying all I was doing was having a gut based interpretation. I'm confused by that phrase to begin with, actually.
What you've said about me is that you think I'm trying too hard and there was that other time you said you thought I was "flowing" with your thoughts, but other than that, I really don't know. That sounds like gut-based interpretations of my actions to me.

As to S~V~S, I know we agreed on that. We both doubted her intentions when it came to her behavior and vote regarding Mongoose. But I don't agree with it anymore. Her explanation thereafter seemed genuine and I realize that I never see eye to eye with her, and that there were plenty of others who fed off of the Mongoose suspicion and suspected her when it made NO sense to me. Similar thing.

There's plenty of other players and other things going on, but you haven't really brought anything else to the table, as far as I remember. Like, I don't remember you saying anyone other than me and S~V~S was particularly suspicious in the last couple of cycles. Am I wrong; did I miss anything?

Well I consider my reasons good. Maybe you consider them as gut based interpretations, I guess there is nothing I can say about that. I guess it's just how I scumhunt, I've never had my methods called that before, but if that's what you think, then I guess that's how I play. I read posts and take from that what I will.

Two of my bigger suspects are gone now, Mata and Russ, and obviously I was wrong on at least one. I said FZ was flying under the radar. I said Summer seemed to be taking advantage of the fact I was insanified, I said that MR's drunk vote was a convenient way to not have to make any decisions. I've said that Sorsha's vote for Vomps was way too easy. I said that Hedgie was weird for mixing it up and focusing on the top ten posters. I have brought thoughts to the table, maybe they're not right, maybe I am not confident anymore in some of them and maybe I haven't done enough but I have done more than just gut based interpretations on two players.

#1495

MovingPictures07 wrote:YES I KNOW that's 90%. The other 10% is miscellaneous. Actually, maybe not even that much.

Yeah I am having trouble because honestly I do not remember half of the players and they've given not much for me to work with this day phase, so I don't know what I am going to do. This phase has been way too quiet for me to make progress I hope it changes now that Christmas has passed.

#1496

kneel4justice wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I just find it interesting you continue to stick to your gut-based interpretations of mine and S~V~S's actions and you have nothing else to bring to the table. I'm not exactly sure what it means, but yes, it's interesting. Or maybe I just really like that word.
I think I have brought more than gut-based interpretations? Why exactly do you think I suspect you both? Because it feels like you're saying all I said was it was a feeling when that's not the case. In fact, didn't you agree with me on my suspicion of SVS? How are you now saying all I was doing was having a gut based interpretation. I'm confused by that phrase to begin with, actually.
What you've said about me is that you think I'm trying too hard and there was that other time you said you thought I was "flowing" with your thoughts, but other than that, I really don't know. That sounds like gut-based interpretations of my actions to me.

As to S~V~S, I know we agreed on that. We both doubted her intentions when it came to her behavior and vote regarding Mongoose. But I don't agree with it anymore. Her explanation thereafter seemed genuine and I realize that I never see eye to eye with her, and that there were plenty of others who fed off of the Mongoose suspicion and suspected her when it made NO sense to me. Similar thing.

There's plenty of other players and other things going on, but you haven't really brought anything else to the table, as far as I remember. Like, I don't remember you saying anyone other than me and S~V~S was particularly suspicious in the last couple of cycles. Am I wrong; did I miss anything?
Well I consider my reasons good. Maybe you consider them as gut based interpretations, I guess there is nothing I can say about that. I guess it's just how I scumhunt, I've never had my methods called that before, but if that's what you think, then I guess that's how I play. I read posts and take from that what I will.

Two of my bigger suspects are gone now, Mata and Russ, and obviously I was wrong on at least one. I said FZ was flying under the radar. I said Summer seemed to be taking advantage of the fact I was insanified, I said that MR's drunk vote was a convenient way to not have to make any decisions. I've said that Sorsha's vote for Vomps was way too easy. I said that Hedgie was weird for mixing it up and focusing on the top ten posters. I have brought thoughts to the table, maybe they're not right, maybe I am not confident anymore in some of them and maybe I haven't done enough but I have done more than just gut based interpretations on two players.

What do you think of Summer now?

I remember the others. I know you've thrown those out, but I guess I was thinking of more recent, more pronounced suspicions, and wasn't really thinking of those.

And I'm sorry, I am NOT by any means trying to downplay your contributions. You'll just have to excuse me for feeling a little bit persecuted, whether it's logical or not (even I will admit it's not logical at all), and I feel as though the thread has been SO focused around me, S~V~S, and Epig and I just think it's convenient. You don't really know though since this is your first game with all of us, but it's so 'easy' to just throw a suspicion at any of us, and I know for a fact that scum love throwing suspicion at any of us when any or all of us are civvie (I will even admit to doing it to S~V~S), especially after playing a game over on RM recently where no one would shut up about Epig for DAYS and DAYS because he was "controlling" the thread. I stood by my assessment he was civvie there, and since he was NKed and that game still isn't over, I don't know if that's the case, but I still stand by my assessment that the scum were using him as a target (and scum that have flipped were indeed doing so). So you'll have to excuse me if I feel a bit passionate about the subject -- because players who put themselves out there by actually trying to scumhunt always attract the attention and it gets old.

And now after all of the scumhunting I and others (including yourself and FZ and Epig and SVS, and others) been trying to do, I still feel like most people are operating at a 'Day 1'-esque phase, and it bothers me that you just are questioning my intentions so much.

#1497

kneel4justice wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:YES I KNOW that's 90%. The other 10% is miscellaneous. Actually, maybe not even that much.
Yeah I am having trouble because honestly I do not remember half of the players and they've given not much for me to work with this day phase, so I don't know what I am going to do. This phase has been way too quiet for me to make progress I hope it changes now that Christmas has passed.

Well, what do you think of a Lizzy vote? Or a DP vote? Or a Bass vote? Or a Sorsha vote? Or a Dom vote? Or a Zany Dex vote? Or a Devin vote?

I know what you think about Lou, me, and S~V~S already. I disagree on all three, lol, but I'm willing to reconsider my interpretation of Lou and think it over some more before rushing into a hasty vote.

#1498

I imprecation many will miss the vote.

#1499

Epignosis wrote:I imprecation many will miss the vote.

Yeah... I'm afraid of that too.

Too many people missed the last vote as it was.

I vote DFaraday should kill off everyone who miss both D3 and D4 votes.

#1500

MovingPictures07 wrote: What do you think of Summer now?

I remember the others. I know you've thrown those out, but I guess I was thinking of more recent, more pronounced suspicions, and wasn't really thinking of those.

And I'm sorry, I am NOT by any means trying to downplay your contributions. You'll just have to excuse me for feeling a little bit persecuted, whether it's logical or not (even I will admit it's not logical at all), and I feel as though the thread has been SO focused around me, S~V~S, and Epig and I just think it's convenient. You don't really know though since this is your first game with all of us, but it's so 'easy' to just throw a suspicion at any of us, and I know for a fact that scum love throwing suspicion at any of us when any or all of us are civvie (I will even admit to doing it to S~V~S), especially after playing a game over on RM recently where no one would shut up about Epig for DAYS and DAYS because he was "controlling" the thread. I stood by my assessment he was civvie there, and since he was NKed and that game still isn't over, I don't know if that's the case, but I still stand by my assessment that the scum were using him as a target (and scum that have flipped were indeed doing so). So you'll have to excuse me if I feel a bit passionate about the subject -- because players who put themselves out there by actually trying to scumhunt always attract the attention and it gets old.

And now after all of the scumhunting I and others (including yourself and FZ and Epig and SVS, and others) been trying to do, I still feel like most people are operating at a 'Day 1'-esque phase, and it bothers me that you just are questioning my intentions so much.

Right now I find it incredibly hard to read Summer because she is not here enough for me to read. All I can say is I initially started out thinking she was a townie or playing one of her solid scum games because sometimes I can see her as scum right off the bat and sometimes she can fool me the entire game. She's pretty great. The one thing I am worried about is her posts regarding me being insanified, it felt like she was placing the blame on me, like I was doing something wrong, I was not making it easy enough for people to read what I was saying and that was suspicious to me because at the time I had no way of defending myself. Then she defended Lou against MR and I thought maybe she wouldn't take advantage of her KSITE buddies and that she would take on a motherly role and the fact that I am co-modding with her on KSITE I just felt we grew as friends over the course, I realize it's foolish and possibly clouding my vision so for that reason I am really having a hard time taking a stance on this thought.

As for talking a lot that it's easy to throw suspicion at people, it used to happen to me in my very early games. But just because you are easy to suspect does not mean you are a townie (it doesn't mean that for any of you). So I will keep it in mind but honestly I have not paid attention (which is probably error on my part) to people's thoughts on you and SVS, I just cared about my own opinions and went with those. I have no idea who suspects you and who doesn't, honestly.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Well, what do you think of a Lizzy vote? Or a DP vote? Or a Bass vote? Or a Sorsha vote? Or a Dom vote? Or a Zany Dex vote? Or a Devin vote?

I know what you think about Lou, me, and S~V~S already. I disagree on all three, lol, but I'm willing to reconsider my interpretation of Lou and think it over some more before rushing into a hasty vote.

I don't feel confident on Lizzy, but if it came down to it, I would consider doing it to secure a lynch over someone I trust.
I don't know who DP is.
I have no opinion on Bass.
I would consider a Sorsha vote, yes.
Dom seemed like a townie to me (though I do not like the suspicion of Epi)
I have not paid attention to Dex or Devin. Sorry about the lack of opinions on people, some I don't remember them posting and some I just remember reading but have no memory of what their post contained.

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