WWE MAFIA - Day 14

[Dom]

Heh, I added an avatar for you, MR. It seemed appropriate for Mafia.

Also, excuse me for thinking that Christmas would have slowed down the pace of the game! Seems like antagonism is growing between people, especially with Dom and Devin. I think going for Epig while insanified would be a really low blow, however.

Not really sure how to take the Vomps kill. If anything, my only read is to be less suspicious of Sorsha, because I doubt her team would NK someone she voted for. I'm feeling more suspicious of the FZ kill. She was doing a lot of digging around in her last few posts before dying, and seems like someone may have taken offense.

Interesting choice of words, Boomslang.

*votes SVS*
I never planned on or said I planned on voting Epig while he was insanified.

[Tangrowth]

What do you think of Summer now?

I remember the others. I know you've thrown those out, but I guess I was thinking of more recent, more pronounced suspicions, and wasn't really thinking of those.

And I'm sorry, I am NOT by any means trying to downplay your contributions. You'll just have to excuse me for feeling a little bit persecuted, whether it's logical or not (even I will admit it's not logical at all), and I feel as though the thread has been SO focused around me, S~V~S, and Epig and I just think it's convenient. You don't really know though since this is your first game with all of us, but it's so 'easy' to just throw a suspicion at any of us, and I know for a fact that scum love throwing suspicion at any of us when any or all of us are civvie (I will even admit to doing it to S~V~S), especially after playing a game over on RM recently where no one would shut up about Epig for DAYS and DAYS because he was "controlling" the thread. I stood by my assessment he was civvie there, and since he was NKed and that game still isn't over, I don't know if that's the case, but I still stand by my assessment that the scum were using him as a target (and scum that have flipped were indeed doing so). So you'll have to excuse me if I feel a bit passionate about the subject -- because players who put themselves out there by actually trying to scumhunt always attract the attention and it gets old.

And now after all of the scumhunting I and others (including yourself and FZ and Epig and SVS, and others) been trying to do, I still feel like most people are operating at a 'Day 1'-esque phase, and it bothers me that you just are questioning my intentions so much.

Right now I find it incredibly hard to read Summer because she is not here enough for me to read. All I can say is I initially started out thinking she was a townie or playing one of her solid scum games because sometimes I can see her as scum right off the bat and sometimes she can fool me the entire game. She's pretty great. The one thing I am worried about is her posts regarding me being insanified, it felt like she was placing the blame on me, like I was doing something wrong, I was not making it easy enough for people to read what I was saying and that was suspicious to me because at the time I had no way of defending myself. Then she defended Lou against MR and I thought maybe she wouldn't take advantage of her KSITE buddies and that she would take on a motherly role and the fact that I am co-modding with her on KSITE I just felt we grew as friends over the course, I realize it's foolish and possibly clouding my vision so for that reason I am really having a hard time taking a stance on this thought.

As for talking a lot that it's easy to throw suspicion at people, it used to happen to me in my very early games. But just because you are easy to suspect does not mean you are a townie (it doesn't mean that for any of you). So I will keep it in mind but honestly I have not paid attention (which is probably error on my part) to people's thoughts on you and SVS, I just cared about my own opinions and went with those. I have no idea who suspects you and who doesn't, honestly.

Well, what do you think of a Lizzy vote? Or a DP vote? Or a Bass vote? Or a Sorsha vote? Or a Dom vote? Or a Zany Dex vote? Or a Devin vote?

I know what you think about Lou, me, and S~V~S already. I disagree on all three, lol, but I'm willing to reconsider my interpretation of Lou and think it over some more before rushing into a hasty vote.

I don't feel confident on Lizzy, but if it came down to it, I would consider doing it to secure a lynch over someone I trust.
I don't know who DP is.
I have no opinion on Bass.
I would consider a Sorsha vote, yes.
Dom seemed like a townie to me (though I do not like the suspicion of Epi)
I have not paid attention to Dex or Devin. Sorry about the lack of opinions on people, some I don't remember them posting and some I just remember reading but have no memory of what their post contained.

I understand. Thanks for thoughts on Summer. I've gone back and forth on her a bit myself, I'm not sure about her right now.

You're precisely right. It all comes down to who gets what role. Of course, I'll be the first to recognize that the top posters are just as statistically likely to be bad as anyone else, but at least I know I'm not , and I don't think you, S~V~S, or Epig is right now. I realize I could be wrong though.

Thanks for the thoughts on others. Did you want to discuss any of the ones you haven't paid attention to, like, did you have any questions about them? I'm feeling pretty comfortable with keeping track of what everyone's been up to this game after I compiled my list of players, but naturally that doesn't necessarily mean I feel pretty comfortable with all of my reads on everyone, lol.

[Tangrowth]

Heh, I added an avatar for you, MR. It seemed appropriate for Mafia.

Also, excuse me for thinking that Christmas would have slowed down the pace of the game! Seems like antagonism is growing between people, especially with Dom and Devin. I think going for Epig while insanified would be a really low blow, however.

Not really sure how to take the Vomps kill. If anything, my only read is to be less suspicious of Sorsha, because I doubt her team would NK someone she voted for. I'm feeling more suspicious of the FZ kill. She was doing a lot of digging around in her last few posts before dying, and seems like someone may have taken offense.

Interesting choice of words, Boomslang.

*votes SVS*
I never planned on or said I planned on voting Epig while he was insanified.

I'm not Boomslang, but I didn't read his post that way, personally -- I read it just as him talking about the prospect of going for Epig while insanified would be a low blow, not that he said you were planning on it. He or others can correct me if I'm wrong though.

[Tangrowth]

WHERE IS EVERYONE??????????!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lol.

[kneel4justice]

Thanks for the thoughts on others. Did you want to discuss any of the ones you haven't paid attention to, like, did you have any questions about them? I'm feeling pretty comfortable with keeping track of what everyone's been up to this game after I compiled my list of players, but naturally that doesn't necessarily mean I feel pretty comfortable with all of my reads on everyone, lol.

Honestly, I don't know how I could rely on someone else's interpretation of them fully. I do want to know more about them, but I feel like I personally need to do that. If there is someone you think I should look into specifically, I may do that but going back and reading is never something I enjoy. I don't like reading the first time actually, Lol. Which isn't a good thing considering this is an online Mafia game!

[Tangrowth]

Thanks for the thoughts on others. Did you want to discuss any of the ones you haven't paid attention to, like, did you have any questions about them? I'm feeling pretty comfortable with keeping track of what everyone's been up to this game after I compiled my list of players, but naturally that doesn't necessarily mean I feel pretty comfortable with all of my reads on everyone, lol.

Honestly, I don't know how I could rely on someone else's interpretation of them fully. I do want to know more about them, but I feel like I personally need to do that. If there is someone you think I should look into specifically, I may do that but going back and reading is never something I enjoy. I don't like reading the first time actually, Lol. Which isn't a good thing considering this is an online Mafia game!

Lol! I know what you mean. When I don't have the time, I feel the same way. Conversely, when I have too much time (which almost NEVER happens), I feel the opposite, like I do right now.

Anyway, I'm still contemplating a vote for Lou or Dom, but maybe I am wrong about them.

As to DP, he's hardly said anything at all. He has done this before, but he also can be decently active. Anyway, the thing about DP is that he dropped by to bandwagon on Mongoose, which S~V~S initially noted was out of character for civvie DP, something I have noticed too. DP, especially civvie DP, will often hesitate to bandwagon onto something if he hasn't fully caught up, so it is strange he bandwagoned there. Combined with his complete lack of posting, it's something else I'm considering. Probably wouldn't take you long at all to read his posts, lol.

I'm contemplating a vote for Lizzy, but I feel kind of similarly to you on that matter; I don't feel confident enough to lead a lynch on her as definitively bad.

Hmmmm... then there's Bass, Sorsha, and Devin, all of which have been seemingly suspicious, but I thought seemed genuine after questioned or could be said to be acting normally. Maybe you could re-read Bass or Devin and let me know what you think since you don't recall them.

[Mister Rearranger]

It's the holidays, I'll punch Epi in his jingle bells.

*votes Epignosis*

And I'd also be ok with Lizzy, Devin, Bass, or Lou.

[S~V~S]

What a surprise, Dom voted for me based on his "Me & Epi are opposing baddies theory". And as far as I am concerned, I am opposed to voting for the insanified. I absolutely hate being voted when insanified, or even worse, when silenced. So frustrating. Every one has a right to a defense.

I am not sure why exactly people are lumping me & Epi together, tbh. I do trust him, although he has had some gut issues this game, IMO. And I have no clue what MP is talking about, and don't really want to read all of those linky things. Posts like that tend me make me think people are bad, TBH.

But I said i was gonna vote for Devin, and I hope to, but I see my name being flung about, so I will hold my vote for a while, at least till after dinner

[Mister Rearranger]

Ebwop: MP, duly noted on Piney as well, I'll have to reread some of my LP games that I played with him.

[Turnip Head]

Would it at all be possible to extend the voting period for this lynch? I'm obviously not the only one who found it hard to make time for mafia the past few days. I've definitely seen voting cycles extended for the holidays before and given where we're at in the game currently I think another day or two to talk and get other opinions would be a nice holiday treat.

I just finished getting caught up with the thread but don't have a lot of time to make too many points. I will say that I mostly found myself agreeing with MP's thoughts on Lou, then agreed with k4j's perceived ability to see Lou's style. But it's also possible that k4j is wrong because everyone's wrong. But I find myself trusting MP more today and think it's possible his hard work today will lead to a baddie. I think we need to spend more time discussing options for today and then hearing from those people. For starters, I'd like to see what Lou herself has to say about MP's case.

[Tangrowth]

It's the holidays, I'll punch Epi in his jingle bells.

*votes Epignosis*

And I'd also be ok with Lizzy, Devin, Bass, or Lou.

Why did you vote Epig even though he's insanified?

Although your vote post is pretty funny.

Ebwop: MP, duly noted on Piney as well, I'll have to reread some of my LP games that I played with him.

Sounds good, let me know what you think/find. I don't like voting for DP over other near silent posters, because it's difficult to read any of them right now, but his Mongoose vote does seriously perplex me because it seems out of character.

What a surprise, Dom voted for me based on his "Me & Epi are opposing baddies theory". And as far as I am concerned, I am opposed to voting for the insanified. I absolutely hate being voted when insanified, or even worse, when silenced. So frustrating. Every one has a right to a defense.

I am not sure why exactly people are lumping me & Epi together, tbh. I do trust him, although he has had some gut issues this game, IMO. And I have no clue what MP is talking about, and don't really want to read all of those linky things. Posts like that tend me make me think people are bad, TBH.

But I said i was gonna vote for Devin, and I hope to, but I see my name being flung about, so I will hold my vote for a while, at least till after dinner

I agree with you regarding insanified or silenced players. I mean, a vote for a baddie is a vote for a baddie, but I just think it's bad mafia etiquette to vote for someone while they're insanified or silenced unless they've been done so more than once, it's later in the game, and a significant very flawless case has been made against them.

Well, and I think Epig is civvie anyway.

And no surprise there. But you must admit I make those kind of posts regardless of my alignment. You saw how I flailed my arms around in MOTU and Homestar, for just two examples.

You still feel that strongly about Devin? Why?

[Tangrowth]

Would it at all be possible to extend the voting period for this lynch? I'm obviously not the only one who found it hard to make time for mafia the past few days. I've definitely seen voting cycles extended for the holidays before and given where we're at in the game currently I think another day or two to talk and get other opinions would be a nice holiday treat.

I just finished getting caught up with the thread but don't have a lot of time to make too many points. I will say that I mostly found myself agreeing with MP's thoughts on Lou, then agreed with k4j's perceived ability to see Lou's style. But it's also possible that k4j is wrong because everyone's wrong. But I find myself trusting MP more today and think it's possible his hard work today will lead to a baddie. I think we need to spend more time discussing options for today and then hearing from those people. For starters, I'd like to see what Lou herself has to say about MP's case.

Oh, that'd be great!! I second the request to extend the voting period, even though I have been in the (un)lucky minority who has had the time.

Yay!! Maybe I'm not so crazy then. Lol. I still think I was/am onto something with Lou, but I'm willing to consider every perspective. I agree I would love to hear from Lou though before I vote her; I hate voting someone before they've had a chance to address something I've said against them.

[kneel4justice]

It's the holidays, I'll punch Epi in his jingle bells.

*votes Epignosis*

And I'd also be ok with Lizzy, Devin, Bass, or Lou.

In my opinion this is your second throw away vote this game. The first being me, obviously.
I don't get the feeling from this vote that you are trying to lynch Epi. Just throwing a vote his way that you know will be nothing. You mention being okay with those 4 but I don't see you voting them, I don't understand your thinking. It's not like you can unvote.

Are these kind of votes in character?

[S~V~S]

MP, Devin just pinged me early and often. I still can't get the over the way he just feel into a gushing heap at Epis feet, then contradicted himself about his vote. Then flopped.

OK, Dinner, bbl

And yeah, an extended vote would be awesome, between family festivities, then going right back to work, it would be nice.

[Tangrowth]

It's the holidays, I'll punch Epi in his jingle bells.

*votes Epignosis*

And I'd also be ok with Lizzy, Devin, Bass, or Lou.

In my opinion this is your second throw away vote this game. The first being me, obviously.
I don't get the feeling from this vote that you are trying to lynch Epi. Just throwing a vote his way that you know will be nothing. You mention being okay with those 4 but I don't see you voting them, I don't understand your thinking. It's not like you can unvote.

Are these kind of votes in character?

MR hasn't played mafia in quite a while just until recently... so I'm just now becoming re-acquainted with his style. I'm not sure it's really out of character, but I have to admit I was actually surprised when I saw he voted for Epig, especially since Epig is insanified.

Now I'm not sure if/how this affects my viewpoint that this is probably civvie MR, but it did catch me by surprise.

[Tangrowth]

MP, Devin just pinged me early and often. I still can't get the over the way he just feel into a gushing heap at Epis feet, then contradicted himself about his vote. Then flopped.

OK, Dinner, bbl

And yeah, an extended vote would be awesome, between family festivities, then going right back to work, it would be nice.

Got it. I do admit his actions are bizarre in that he just bandwagoned onto Mongoose with nothing else to add, then flipped right back onto Epig with absolute certainty, etc. I think he seems really distracted. I guess it's possible he's baddie. I just have been reading all of his responses when people have called him out as civvie-like Devin.... Maybe I'm wrong though. I really don't know. Not sure how I feel about a Devin vote to be honest.

[kneel4justice]

It's the holidays, I'll punch Epi in his jingle bells.

*votes Epignosis*

And I'd also be ok with Lizzy, Devin, Bass, or Lou.

In my opinion this is your second throw away vote this game. The first being me, obviously.
I don't get the feeling from this vote that you are trying to lynch Epi. Just throwing a vote his way that you know will be nothing. You mention being okay with those 4 but I don't see you voting them, I don't understand your thinking. It's not like you can unvote.

Are these kind of votes in character?

MR hasn't played mafia in quite a while just until recently... so I'm just now becoming re-acquainted with his style. I'm not sure it's really out of character, but I have to admit I was actually surprised when I saw he voted for Epig, especially since Epig is insanified.

Now I'm not sure if/how this affects my viewpoint that this is probably civvie MR, but it did catch me by surprise.

It seems like I do not agree with people/see differently here. I don't know what to make of that. I'm going to try to do some rereads but I am thinking about voting MR. I am very hesitant though. I know I suspected him when he voted me (because it was during my insanified period) before he said he was drunk, I don't know if somehow that is affecting me.

[Mister Rearranger]

It's the holidays, I'll punch Epi in his jingle bells.

*votes Epignosis*

And I'd also be ok with Lizzy, Devin, Bass, or Lou.

Why did you vote Epig even though he's insanified?

Although your vote post is pretty funny.

Atop my comprehensive all players review, I wouldn't put it past a team to insanify one of their own the day after insanifying a team member is brought up in the thread.

Also, I'm rather blah-zay this evening and Mafia is the last thing on my mind.

If anyone's taking my vote pattern as a guide or barometer for their vote anymore, then idk what to tell 'em. I've had sh*t radar so far.

[Tangrowth]

It's the holidays, I'll punch Epi in his jingle bells.

*votes Epignosis*

And I'd also be ok with Lizzy, Devin, Bass, or Lou.

In my opinion this is your second throw away vote this game. The first being me, obviously.
I don't get the feeling from this vote that you are trying to lynch Epi. Just throwing a vote his way that you know will be nothing. You mention being okay with those 4 but I don't see you voting them, I don't understand your thinking. It's not like you can unvote.

Are these kind of votes in character?

MR hasn't played mafia in quite a while just until recently... so I'm just now becoming re-acquainted with his style. I'm not sure it's really out of character, but I have to admit I was actually surprised when I saw he voted for Epig, especially since Epig is insanified.

Now I'm not sure if/how this affects my viewpoint that this is probably civvie MR, but it did catch me by surprise.

It seems like I do not agree with people/see differently here. I don't know what to make of that. I'm going to try to do some rereads but I am thinking about voting MR. I am very hesitant though. I know I suspected him when he voted me (because it was during my insanified period) before he said he was drunk, I don't know if somehow that is affecting me.

Well, I am willing to admit I know nothing with 100% certainty (except myself), so I guess I technically don't know about MR. BUT He's one of the people I've been reading as firmly civvie since near the start of the game, so I never have thought about him being bad, frankly. His vote is surprising though -- and it is strange. The question is whether it is suspicious or just odd. I do agree it seems like a throwaway, but that vote alone doesn't come close to damning him in my eyes.

That said, let me know what you find in any of your rereads.

[Tangrowth]

It's the holidays, I'll punch Epi in his jingle bells.

*votes Epignosis*

And I'd also be ok with Lizzy, Devin, Bass, or Lou.

Why did you vote Epig even though he's insanified?

Although your vote post is pretty funny.

Atop my comprehensive all players review, I wouldn't put it past a team to insanify one of their own the day after insanifying a team member is brought up in the thread.

Also, I'm rather blah-zay this evening and Mafia is the last thing on my mind.

If anyone's taking my vote pattern as a guide or barometer for their vote anymore, then idk what to tell 'em. I've had sh*t radar so far.

Hm, I suppose I wouldn't either. I guess if that's whom you most feel strongly about, then I get it, but I don't understand why you did so right away, if he's insanified and you had four others you were considering too.

But whatever! It doesn't help I suppose that I just disagree on Epig's intentions.

[Epignosis]

I March Hare I nullity probably going track vote LouLou, but I can wait.

[Mister Rearranger]

It's quite a throwaway, MP, as I've already alluded to.

I'll be away for most of the evening and knowing my family, will not be back before the deadline. Epi was on my list, along with the other 4 players I mentioned. Not comfortable with his lynch? Pick one of the others.

Linki: well, there ya go, haha.

[Tangrowth]

I March Hare I nullity probably going track vote LouLou, but I can wait.

March Hare? Wow, I haven't seen her in like three years.

[Tangrowth]

It's quite a throwaway, MP, as I've already alluded to.

I'll be away for most of the evening and knowing my family, will not be back before the deadline. Epi was on my list, along with the other 4 players I mentioned. Not comfortable with his lynch? Pick one of the others.

Linki: well, there ya go, haha.

Oh, okay, got it.

Well, I know I won't be voting Epig at least.

[Epignosis]

forbearing Queen of Hearts voting records.

[Tangrowth]

forbearing Queen of Hearts voting records.

What? Something about voting records?

[Epignosis]

forbearing Queen of Hearts voting records.

What? Something about voting records?

Miro them.

[Bullzeye]

I'm not quite sure who to vote today, I'll have to catch up (have been really busy) but I may end up sticking with Sorsha or going with DP.

[Tangrowth]

forbearing Queen of Hearts voting records.

What? Something about voting records?

Miro them.

Got it.

I'm not quite sure who to vote today, I'll have to catch up (have been really busy) but I may end up sticking with Sorsha or going with DP.

Let me know what you think when you do catch up.

[Bass_the_Clever]

Does anyone one else feel like MP is a baddie just throwing stuff around seeing if anyone will bite on it? The reason I think this is because almost everyone he has said something about he goes on to say something else that gives him an out if he is wrong.

[Tangrowth]

Does anyone one else feel like MP is a baddie just throwing stuff around seeing if anyone will bite on it? The reason I think this is because almost everyone he has said something about he goes on to say something else that gives him an out if he is wrong.

Right, because flailing in the thread is the perfect way to help give me an out in case someone I think is bad comes up civvie.

In seriousness, I don't know what to tell you. I always play like this, regardless of alignment. In this case, forgive me for not knowing anything with absolute certainty; if you call that leaving myself an "out" if I'm wrong, then so be it. But I do not shrug off anything; I take full responsibility for all of my actions.

Unlike others who blamed their Mongoose votes on Epig and took no responsibility for it, just like someone named Bass, if I remember correctly.

[Tangrowth]

God, that's such an absurd notion -- right, like you and most of the other players in this game have actually been contributing more to discussing suspicions than I have.

Did one of your teammates tell you how easy it is to get me lynched, Bass?

[Bass_the_Clever]

Bass - Again, not a lot to read on him, but he was consistent with his excuse of being sick between here and the other game(s?) he was involved in at the time he posted said message here, iirc. I did crick my brow when he changed his day 1 strategy from voting a low poster to randomizing with 0 mention of it in-between. "I hate saying this but I have to go with Epi on Mongoose today" was another ping in terms of language, since it reeks of distancing and assigning responsibility for your vote to other players. Was on both the Mongoose and Russti wagons. Voted "Other" on Day 1, but icr if he said why? He's also been off-and-on about defending/trusting Epi in the early stages of the game, so . His posts tonight/day are "Let's look at the 10 people who didn't vote", "I'ma eyeball Dom big-time", and "Hedgeowl, what are your thoughts?". Looking forward to how he follows through with those 3 focuses.

Mr I just have a few questions about what you said here ...

First I would like to point out you missed quoted me I just said "I was eyeballing Dom" It makes me wonder if you are trying to make it a bigger deal then it is.
Second I pretty sure I said I dont like voting low poser so I don't know how I changed my strategy.
Thrid I take full responsibility for all my votes I gave my reasons why I voted, which in my mind I thought where good reasons but everyone is wrong sometimes. I haven't played a lot of games so yea I going to be wrong a lot because of the lack of knowledge I have about everyone's game styles and how they differ from civ and baddie.

[Bass_the_Clever]

God, that's such an absurd notion -- right, like you and most of the other players in this game have actually been contributing more to discussing suspicions than I have.

Did one of your teammates tell you how easy it is to get me lynched, Bass?

I am just trying to add thoughts to the game. May not be as much as you but I am contributing. Sorry if you do not find my posts as helpful as your own.

[Bass_the_Clever]

Does anyone one else feel like MP is a baddie just throwing stuff around seeing if anyone will bite on it? The reason I think this is because almost everyone he has said something about he goes on to say something else that gives him an out if he is wrong.

Right, because flailing in the thread is the perfect way to help give me an out in case someone I think is bad comes up civvie.

In seriousness, I don't know what to tell you. I always play like this, regardless of alignment. In this case, forgive me for not knowing anything with absolute certainty; if you call that leaving myself an "out" if I'm wrong, then so be it. But I do not shrug off anything; I take full responsibility for all of my actions.

Unlike others who blamed their Mongoose votes on Epig and took no responsibility for it, just like someone named Bass, if I remember correctly.

I didn't blame Epig at all I had my own reasons why I voted mongoose. We have talked about this before I don't understand why you would bring it up again.

[Bullzeye]

I have played quite a few games with you and can not remember you brining me up like this or agreeing with someone on something like this about me ever. Its possible that you HAVE but it has been so infrequent that I can't think of a time it has ever happened. Your subsequent posts about me have had the same flip floppiness. From the post above to now I feel like you are just waiting for someone to solidly say "I am voting for Sorsha" so that you can be like "Yeah, me too."

If he was, why wouldn't he have voted for you yesterday when I (and maybe someone else) did? You say the same a bit later to K4J, that he(?)'s waiting for someone to get the ball rolling on you and join the bandwagon. There kinda is a ball, people have mentioned you and even voted for you so I'm not sure how that argument makes much sense. Am I missing something? Also your Vomp vote really was, as K4J said, quite easy. When people act like he always does it's easy to vote them and not have to worry when they flip civ because he was drawing so much attention to himself that why wouldn't someone vote for him?

I'm frankly still convinced Dom is likely baddie, even though a couple of others said they are reading it as civ on civ. Well, I'm not, and I would vote but I still don't feel I've received enough commentary (likely due to the holidays) on him or other suspicions/individuals. BUT

However, I do also recognize there are others who are acting in probably just as suspicious of a fashion as him, but I've been writing off considering them for a vote due to conceived notions of their sincerity or due to comparisons of past games.

I would have to do a proper read through of Dom before I formed a strong opinion on the matter but I am beginning to think the case against him might have some merit.

I mentioned feeling bad about Epig earlier in the game but I've begun to change my mind. Not sure if I'd mentioned that yet so thought I'd throw it out in case anyone wondered. Some of his more recent posts make me lean civ for him.

Consequently, my eye is solidly on Lizzy, BUT I'm still not feeling fully comfortable in a vote her way... is there anyone here who can actually read Lizzy? If you do exist and want to contribute your thoughts as to what this all means, that'd be great.

I used to think I could read Lizzy based on having baddie btsc with her in her first game, but I'm pretty sure she's no longer the same as back then. In Thomas she was quiet and tried to avoid drawing too much attention to herself but that's probably no longer the case for her baddie style. I still don't think she's bad here (yet) but at the same time I wouldn't jump off a bridge just because she thought it was a good idea. Ultimately I'm not sure, but when is anyone ever sure about Lizzy, Vomp, or AP?

I am not voting Lou. I do not think she is all that scummy, and no I did not read that post...far too long and I don't really think anything can be determined from it, because I don't think you know her very well. I am going to say that I do not think you can compare her to what you saw on KSITE for two reasons, 1. she remarkably caught scum and faced massive suspicion and these things were not exactly her everyday game and 2. these are two completely different environments and she is not going to act the same, you can see her participation level is not exactly where it was on KSITE.
Also, she likes to question people and question things, make points but it does not necessarily mean she is suspicious, just trying to hunt.

I kinda trust you at the moment, and since you probably know Lou better than the rest of us I'll accept your judgement on her for now.

Not really sure how to take the Vomps kill. If anything, my only read is to be less suspicious of Sorsha, because I doubt her team would NK someone she voted for. I'm feeling more suspicious of the FZ kill. She was doing a lot of digging around in her last few posts before dying, and seems like someone may have taken offense.

There is another baddie team Sorsha could belong to. In fact, the other team is bigger so she's slightly more likely to be on that one Or it could be a setup attempt. Or someone who took issue with Vomp's style. Is there anyone in particular you think FZ might have offended with her suspicions? I agree with you on that point.

Does anyone one else feel like MP is a baddie just throwing stuff around seeing if anyone will bite on it? The reason I think this is because almost everyone he has said something about he goes on to say something else that gives him an out if he is wrong.

I'm fairly confident this is MP's civ game. It reminds me of Homestar (seriously how many times is that game gonna be referenced in this one?) in that he's making BIG posts about EVERYTHING. As I said earlier, in my experience bad MP is not quite so noisy.

Thrid I take full responsibility for all my votes I gave my reasons why I voted, which in my mind I thought where good reasons but everyone is wrong sometimes. I haven't played a lot of games so yea I going to be wrong a lot because of the lack of knowledge I have about everyone's game styles and how they differ from civ and baddie.

You say you gave a reason for voting, that reason was that you agreed with Epi. You also used the crosspost thing but I still fail to see how one could argue that that's something a baddie would set up deliberately.

[Tangrowth]

God, that's such an absurd notion -- right, like you and most of the other players in this game have actually been contributing more to discussing suspicions than I have.

Did one of your teammates tell you how easy it is to get me lynched, Bass?

I am just trying to add thoughts to the game. May not be as much as you but I am contributing. Sorry if you do not find my posts as helpful as your own.

I understand. I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to antagonize you, but you're wrong about me.

Do you have any pertinent thoughts about anyone else right now? You don't think Lou's actions were just throwing stuff around to see if anyone could bite it, yet you think mine were, or what?

[DFaraday]

The poll has been extended by 24 hours. I am a benevolent and wise host.

[Bass_the_Clever]

I have played quite a few games with you and can not remember you brining me up like this or agreeing with someone on something like this about me ever. Its possible that you HAVE but it has been so infrequent that I can't think of a time it has ever happened. Your subsequent posts about me have had the same flip floppiness. From the post above to now I feel like you are just waiting for someone to solidly say "I am voting for Sorsha" so that you can be like "Yeah, me too."

If he was, why wouldn't he have voted for you yesterday when I (and maybe someone else) did? You say the same a bit later to K4J, that he(?)'s waiting for someone to get the ball rolling on you and join the bandwagon. There kinda is a ball, people have mentioned you and even voted for you so I'm not sure how that argument makes much sense. Am I missing something? Also your Vomp vote really was, as K4J said, quite easy. When people act like he always does it's easy to vote them and not have to worry when they flip civ because he was drawing so much attention to himself that why wouldn't someone vote for him?

I'm frankly still convinced Dom is likely baddie, even though a couple of others said they are reading it as civ on civ. Well, I'm not, and I would vote but I still don't feel I've received enough commentary (likely due to the holidays) on him or other suspicions/individuals. BUT

However, I do also recognize there are others who are acting in probably just as suspicious of a fashion as him, but I've been writing off considering them for a vote due to conceived notions of their sincerity or due to comparisons of past games.

I would have to do a proper read through of Dom before I formed a strong opinion on the matter but I am beginning to think the case against him might have some merit.

I mentioned feeling bad about Epig earlier in the game but I've begun to change my mind. Not sure if I'd mentioned that yet so thought I'd throw it out in case anyone wondered. Some of his more recent posts make me lean civ for him.

Consequently, my eye is solidly on Lizzy, BUT I'm still not feeling fully comfortable in a vote her way... is there anyone here who can actually read Lizzy? If you do exist and want to contribute your thoughts as to what this all means, that'd be great.

I used to think I could read Lizzy based on having baddie btsc with her in her first game, but I'm pretty sure she's no longer the same as back then. In Thomas she was quiet and tried to avoid drawing too much attention to herself but that's probably no longer the case for her baddie style. I still don't think she's bad here (yet) but at the same time I wouldn't jump off a bridge just because she thought it was a good idea. Ultimately I'm not sure, but when is anyone ever sure about Lizzy, Vomp, or AP?

I am not voting Lou. I do not think she is all that scummy, and no I did not read that post...far too long and I don't really think anything can be determined from it, because I don't think you know her very well. I am going to say that I do not think you can compare her to what you saw on KSITE for two reasons, 1. she remarkably caught scum and faced massive suspicion and these things were not exactly her everyday game and 2. these are two completely different environments and she is not going to act the same, you can see her participation level is not exactly where it was on KSITE.
Also, she likes to question people and question things, make points but it does not necessarily mean she is suspicious, just trying to hunt.

I kinda trust you at the moment, and since you probably know Lou better than the rest of us I'll accept your judgement on her for now.

Not really sure how to take the Vomps kill. If anything, my only read is to be less suspicious of Sorsha, because I doubt her team would NK someone she voted for. I'm feeling more suspicious of the FZ kill. She was doing a lot of digging around in her last few posts before dying, and seems like someone may have taken offense.

There is another baddie team Sorsha could belong to. In fact, the other team is bigger so she's slightly more likely to be on that one Or it could be a setup attempt. Or someone who took issue with Vomp's style. Is there anyone in particular you think FZ might have offended with her suspicions? I agree with you on that point.

Does anyone one else feel like MP is a baddie just throwing stuff around seeing if anyone will bite on it? The reason I think this is because almost everyone he has said something about he goes on to say something else that gives him an out if he is wrong.

I'm fairly confident this is MP's civ game. It reminds me of Homestar (seriously how many times is that game gonna be referenced in this one?) in that he's making BIG posts about EVERYTHING. As I said earlier, in my experience bad MP is not quite so noisy.

Thrid I take full responsibility for all my votes I gave my reasons why I voted, which in my mind I thought where good reasons but everyone is wrong sometimes. I haven't played a lot of games so yea I going to be wrong a lot because of the lack of knowledge I have about everyone's game styles and how they differ from civ and baddie.

You say you gave a reason for voting, that reason was that you agreed with Epi. You also used the crosspost thing but I still fail to see how one could argue that that's something a baddie would set up deliberately.

I also said that in lost mongoose seemed a lot more cool and collected she also said she was playing three games at that time so her acting like she was made me think she was baddie this game.

[Bullzeye]

The poll has been extended by 24 hours. I am a benevolent and wise host.

Thanks! In that case I'm gonna just go to bed now and see what the next 24 hours bring, rather than rush my vote.

[Bass_the_Clever]

God, that's such an absurd notion -- right, like you and most of the other players in this game have actually been contributing more to discussing suspicions than I have.

Did one of your teammates tell you how easy it is to get me lynched, Bass?

I am just trying to add thoughts to the game. May not be as much as you but I am contributing. Sorry if you do not find my posts as helpful as your own.

I understand. I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to antagonize you, but you're wrong about me.

Do you have any pertinent thoughts about anyone else right now? You don't think Lou's actions were just throwing stuff around to see if anyone could bite it, yet you think mine were, or what?

I have to go back and read a lot of stuff before voting. I just happen to start with you But I will be sure to look at her next.

[kneel4justice]

The poll has been extended by 24 hours. I am a benevolent and wise host.

Thank you!
I just got a really bad headache and don't feel up for the reread MP. But from these few posts from Bass, I kinda like him because I get what he's saying about you (lol sorry) but I also am not a fan of his third point in that post he addresses which he says he's bound to make mistakes. It's true yes, I am in his position but it's also an excuse. I don't know if I'd use it myself as a civvie.

[Loulou26]

Hey guys, I'm kinda here. I think I'm coming down with the flu right now though so Idk how long I'll be here

[Loulou26]

EBWOP: Did I miss a post, or did Loulou never reconcile what seemed to be a misconstruction of her own words?

What was the misconstruction?

[Bass_the_Clever]

Thanks DF

[Loulou26]

Please elaborate if you find the time and the chance, Epi. Always interested to see the thought process on your suspicions. Do you have any evidence of why Lou might fit into your coached theory? Is it certain things she's said or implied in her posts?

Pfft, if I was baddie, I wouldn't need any coaching. Just sayin...I've been scum more than townie on Ksite

[Tangrowth]

Lou, I look forward to hearing what you have to bring to the table and if you can confirm or deny what K4J said regarding your style of play and why you seem so different here than when I played with you on KSite.

Now that we have another 24 hours (Thanks DF!), I don't have to feel pressured to vote tonight either. I have to go to bed soon anyway; I have work tomorrow, but not a full day, thankfully. Then I have to start getting ready for my vacation.

I have played quite a few games with you and can not remember you brining me up like this or agreeing with someone on something like this about me ever. Its possible that you HAVE but it has been so infrequent that I can't think of a time it has ever happened. Your subsequent posts about me have had the same flip floppiness. From the post above to now I feel like you are just waiting for someone to solidly say "I am voting for Sorsha" so that you can be like "Yeah, me too."

If he was, why wouldn't he have voted for you yesterday when I (and maybe someone else) did? You say the same a bit later to K4J, that he(?)'s waiting for someone to get the ball rolling on you and join the bandwagon. There kinda is a ball, people have mentioned you and even voted for you so I'm not sure how that argument makes much sense. Am I missing something? Also your Vomp vote really was, as K4J said, quite easy. When people act like he always does it's easy to vote them and not have to worry when they flip civ because he was drawing so much attention to himself that why wouldn't someone vote for him?

I'm frankly still convinced Dom is likely baddie, even though a couple of others said they are reading it as civ on civ. Well, I'm not, and I would vote but I still don't feel I've received enough commentary (likely due to the holidays) on him or other suspicions/individuals. BUT

However, I do also recognize there are others who are acting in probably just as suspicious of a fashion as him, but I've been writing off considering them for a vote due to conceived notions of their sincerity or due to comparisons of past games.

I would have to do a proper read through of Dom before I formed a strong opinion on the matter but I am beginning to think the case against him might have some merit.

I mentioned feeling bad about Epig earlier in the game but I've begun to change my mind. Not sure if I'd mentioned that yet so thought I'd throw it out in case anyone wondered. Some of his more recent posts make me lean civ for him.

Consequently, my eye is solidly on Lizzy, BUT I'm still not feeling fully comfortable in a vote her way... is there anyone here who can actually read Lizzy? If you do exist and want to contribute your thoughts as to what this all means, that'd be great.

I used to think I could read Lizzy based on having baddie btsc with her in her first game, but I'm pretty sure she's no longer the same as back then. In Thomas she was quiet and tried to avoid drawing too much attention to herself but that's probably no longer the case for her baddie style. I still don't think she's bad here (yet) but at the same time I wouldn't jump off a bridge just because she thought it was a good idea. Ultimately I'm not sure, but when is anyone ever sure about Lizzy, Vomp, or AP?

I am not voting Lou. I do not think she is all that scummy, and no I did not read that post...far too long and I don't really think anything can be determined from it, because I don't think you know her very well. I am going to say that I do not think you can compare her to what you saw on KSITE for two reasons, 1. she remarkably caught scum and faced massive suspicion and these things were not exactly her everyday game and 2. these are two completely different environments and she is not going to act the same, you can see her participation level is not exactly where it was on KSITE.
Also, she likes to question people and question things, make points but it does not necessarily mean she is suspicious, just trying to hunt.

I kinda trust you at the moment, and since you probably know Lou better than the rest of us I'll accept your judgement on her for now.

Not really sure how to take the Vomps kill. If anything, my only read is to be less suspicious of Sorsha, because I doubt her team would NK someone she voted for. I'm feeling more suspicious of the FZ kill. She was doing a lot of digging around in her last few posts before dying, and seems like someone may have taken offense.

There is another baddie team Sorsha could belong to. In fact, the other team is bigger so she's slightly more likely to be on that one Or it could be a setup attempt. Or someone who took issue with Vomp's style. Is there anyone in particular you think FZ might have offended with her suspicions? I agree with you on that point.

Does anyone one else feel like MP is a baddie just throwing stuff around seeing if anyone will bite on it? The reason I think this is because almost everyone he has said something about he goes on to say something else that gives him an out if he is wrong.

I'm fairly confident this is MP's civ game. It reminds me of Homestar (seriously how many times is that game gonna be referenced in this one?) in that he's making BIG posts about EVERYTHING. As I said earlier, in my experience bad MP is not quite so noisy.

Thrid I take full responsibility for all my votes I gave my reasons why I voted, which in my mind I thought where good reasons but everyone is wrong sometimes. I haven't played a lot of games so yea I going to be wrong a lot because of the lack of knowledge I have about everyone's game styles and how they differ from civ and baddie.

You say you gave a reason for voting, that reason was that you agreed with Epi. You also used the crosspost thing but I still fail to see how one could argue that that's something a baddie would set up deliberately.

Bullz, I don't understand Sorsha's suspicion of me either; it makes no sense to me.

Very nice to have your thoughts, so thank you. I'll be interested to see what players say over the next 24 hours and what they think regarding: Lou, Lizzy, Devin, Sorsha, Bass, Dom, etc.

[Hedgeowl]

The poll has been extended by 24 hours. I am a benevolent and wise host.

Wish, I had seen this before. Ok, You will now get an unfinished thought post from me since I will stop my catch up here.

[Loulou26]

In fact, Epig, I'm going to post this first part now even though I have plenty more to read -- because I believe it really hits the nail on the head with what you noticed with her as well.

Lou has 93 posts, which is kind of insane because I don't remember many main suspicions or things she's said. So instead of recapping all of her posts, I'll just summarize what I uncover by reading through all of them.

Now I know this is a new site for her, but take note of this. She uses the word confusion or expresses some sort of emotion that exemplifies confusion in all of the following posts:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 172#p44172 Her first post.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 184#p44184 Her second post.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 185#p44185 Her third post. She doesn't know what's "accepted" at this site yet.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 276#p44276 Her fourth post. Having a hard time keeping up.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 309#p44309 Kind of applies, she says this is like her first mafia game all over again.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 310#p44310 This post and the few thereafter are essentially questions regarding how our days/nights work.


She expresses herself as very agreeable in the following posts:
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 279#p44279 Her fifth post. Agrees entirely with a sentiment of K4J.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 307#p44307 Her sixth post.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 309#p44309 Her eighth post.

Wow, I'm getting tired of doing this. I thought I said I wouldn't be covering it one by one.

Now I know this is a totally new environment for her so these feelings could be legitimate, but as I was reading through her first however many posts, I could not believe just how often she expresses these two qualities, two I did NOT see from her AT ALL in the KSite game we played together where she flipped civvie. So how much of this is attributable to reality and how much of it is attributable to false exaggeration? That's the question.

Plenty more to follow on Lou.

I was wondering when someone would get around to analysing me. This actually makes me feel better about you. Though I have seen people use this kind of thing as a major distraction from any suspicion. Okay so I can see how I look suspicious but in my defence, I have been extremely confused in this game. If you looked at my first game on Ksite you would see how truly lost I was in it. So I don't really see how asking questions about the game is suspicious.

And yes, it's a new site, it's taking me a while to adjust but more than that, it's the fast pace that is really getting to me. I'm not used to it. I'm trying to find things to hunt for but it's not easy when the game moves so quick and I'm used to having a break at nights.

[Hedgeowl]

I got 3 owl ornaments for Christmas. This may have just become a problem.

Is it just my paranoia or is anyone else starting to feel very wary of players continuing to look at Epig and S~V~S (and the occasional me and K4J) and absolutely NO ONE ELSE even though it's Day 4? Yes, let's antagonize the players that are contributing the most for incredibly weak reasons and ignore the points brought up against others. I just don't get it. There's PLENTY of players to talk about.

I have found the lists that people make interesting and helpful, but I find when looking at every single player the list is just too long. SVS made the good point that there are baddies in the low posters, middle posters, and top posters. Really what all these ideas and strategies do, is help narrow down the field to something manageable. Looking at Mongoose voters was Bullz' strategy for example. However, I think it is perfectly reasonable for top posters to be discussed regularly. If you are going to bring that much discussion to the table, then yes you may warrant more scrutiny than others, because you have more to scrutinize. Also, I think if we do find a baddie amongst the more active players there will be more there to examine and follow leads on after their lynch. Hence, I have decided it is a better starting place than starting with low posters, although I do sympathize with the idea that I would rather lynch a low/non-participant civ than a participating one.

MP- what surprises me more is that you don't find SVS, k4j, or Epi suspicious at all. Really not a one? I am finding the people I trust the most are usually bad bad bad ( e.g. Russti *the Baddie* as my biggest defender and "civ" buddy in Meat Boy.) Frankly, I am with LIzzy on suspecting the Bullz trust train. It's weird, as Bullz himself said. Also, interesting was you thinking it odd that Dom was laser-focused on Epi. This reminds me of his annoying continued pursuit of Snow Dog in Bioshock. Very annoying for us baddies at the time.

Bullz- From your impression of Dom, does this feel like his Bioshock game (civ) or his albeit short Supernatural game (baddie)?

MR- I believe you asked why I had listed you MP, k4J, and Epi in particular. I was just pointing out that out of the 5 voters for Russti (Bass was the other), all 4 of you fell into the top 10 posters.

Bass- As for my suspicions, they are ever changing, but I am still looking at my top 10 until I can actually catch up thoroughly on the thread. Turns out with the holidays and these loooong posts, I can just barely keep up with the current pace.

INSTEAD players just pop in and voice an often very weak suspicion of Epig, me, or S~V~S because why not? We've played outstanding baddie games before, we're actually trying to contribute as much as possible (this could be construed as 'controlling' or 'manipulating' the thread), and we always make ourselves incredibly easy targets for suspicion because of how much we put ourselves out there.

Ok, I understand your frustration a bit more here. However, there's always going to be more to base suspicions off of those who post more. It's just how it is unfortunately. I do think that based on the fact that Epi has been largely involvec in lynching two civs is reason to suspect him. Would he prefer they were baddies as a civ or a baddie player? You bet! However, lynching civs is also great for baddies as long as they stay alive, plus if he finally does lynch a baddie, then damn we were all wrong about him, he must really be civ.

I really dont think trusting anyone in this game is a good idea and it's interesting how many people are indicating those they trust. Baddies will seem just as helpful as anyone, because they are just as motivated to lynch a baddie from the other team to get some civvie cred. Since others are creating lists I will do my best to contribute as well.

Hedge's list:
TRUST NO ONE