[ENDGAME] The Shawshank Redemption Mafia

#1001

I am shocked Elo wasn't killed before now to be honest. Incredibly shocked.

As much as I hate to admit, I guess a JJ vote makes the most sense, given what has transpired. Sucks for him, but I'm tempted to believe occam's razor when it comes to Elo's behavior this game.

I find myself wondering about Mongoose and boo as to other baddie candidates as well.

#1002

MovingPictures07 wrote:I CAN TALK!!!!

Thoughts coming as soon as possible.

Why couldn't you before? Answer carefully.

#1003

You might want to consult with the host first.

Also voting boo.

#1004

Ummm... because I couldn't. :P

Why boo over JJ, out of curiosity?

#1005

I have said why more than once. And if you are saying what I think you are saying. Well. not sure how I feel about that.

#1006

S~V~S wrote:I have said why more than once. And if you are saying what I think you are saying. Well. not sure how I feel about that.

Not sure what you're referring to: do you mean about Elo/JJ or about my refusal to talk in here for a few days?

Either way, think what you want.

I'm still thinking on my vote. I could see a good argument for a boo vote though...

What do you think of Mongoose, per chance?

#1007

Also, i think if both boo & John are baddies, boo is is a MUCH more dangerous baddie (no offense John, you may be awesome bad~ but I KNOW boo IS awesome bad)

And she could be bad, my concern is that I really, really, really believe that boo IS bad.

#1008

S~V~S wrote:Also, i think if both boo & John are baddies, boo is is a MUCH more dangerous baddie (no offense John, you may be awesome bad~ but I KNOW boo IS awesome bad)

And she could be bad, my concern is that I really, really, really believe that boo IS bad.

Got it, I understand that.

Well, I'll think about it for now. I have been so consumed by WWE I kind of have to get my mind back in this game; that's my fault.

#1009

I still am not sure why you could not talk.

#1010

S~V~S wrote:I still am not sure why you could not talk.

Are you serious or just trying to tiptoe making an obvious observation?

#1011

Yes, I am serious. There is one role that can silence someone. For one day and one night, not longer than that. One person at a time. That you are specifically told not to say happened to you (as i understand it :whistle: )

So yeah, I am serious.

#1012

S~V~S wrote:Yes, I am serious. There is one role that can silence someone. For one day and one night, not longer than that. One person at a time. That you are specifically told not to say happened to you (as i understand it :whistle: )

So yeah, I am serious.

It says one phase for EACH ITEM confiscated.

Nowhere does it say anything about a limit.

I never even said that happened to me, either. But it should be blatantly obvious I decided not to post for two cycles and now I am deciding to post again, so... there's a reason for that.

#1013

Anyway, that's all I'm saying on that subject. Really, I just got so caught up in WWE, I wanted to see how this game would play out if I went silent for a while. I'm afraid it didn't give me quite the perspective I was hoping for, but I do feel I have some clarity in this game.

S~V~S, how is it that you were willing to trust Elo's assessment of BWT but not JJ?

#1014

OK, missed that one item per thing~ but why so sure that John is bad?

linki~ cause i had my own reasons to trust BWT. I thought i was fairly clear~ read any good books lately?

i had no info, but reading is fundamental. And I have to tell you, civ boo would never in a zillion years say what he said about john. i can guarantee that.

#1015

S~V~S wrote:OK, missed that one item per thing~ but why so sure that John is bad?

linki~ cause i had my own reasons to trust BWT. I thought i was fairly clear~ read any good books lately?

i had no info, but reading is fundamental. And I have to tell you, civ boo would never in a zillion years say what he said about john. i can guarantee that.

I am not 100% sure, but let's just say I'm willing to trust the concept of Occam's Razor and think that Elo might have been onto something with him. Of course, maybe that is off the mark.

Got it. I have not, actually, unfortunately.

I will take what you're saying about boo into consideration. It is especially interesting given you seemed to trust him somewhat in the earlier portion of the game.

#1016

Yes, i did. But I always watch boo very carefully, he is awesome and he is very, very good. ANd no way no how would he say something like he sais about voting John anyhow in a shitty case just to see what happens.

No fucking way.

#1017

S~V~S wrote:Yes, i did. But I always watch boo very carefully, he is awesome and he is very, very good. ANd no way no how would he say something like he sais about voting John anyhow in a shitty case just to see what happens.

No fucking way.

She's dead, so here it is. I believe Eloh was Brooks, and she has voted john. If he is a sister, she would know it as a result. Her NK makes me think that shawshank came to the same conclusion.

Your pushing me for something that obvious (you trusted Eloh earlier in the game, was the Brooks belief not the reason why? It's been my reason for trusting her for days now) makes me seriously doubt you though, and your sudden distrust of Eloh's judgement after trusting her most of the game makes me peg you as john's teammate, casting doubt on Eloh now to save your teammate. Of course, you claim I'm a coniving baddie, but you've played enough with me to know I'm always an easy lynch, so I guess that's today's play from your team. Hopefully your third is dead... or you may actually take this one at the very least.

I'd be happy with a john or SVS lynch. I'll start on john because I feel comfortable trusting Eloh, especially given her death, as it rules her off of being Shawshank, and I think she was preparing to dismantle the sisters.

#1018

I did not trust her, and never said i did. i said i read a good book, and that i reread BWT.

You be bad, boo. Scramble as much as you like, and even kill me. But in the end we both know i will be proven correct.

#1019

I don't know who voted the same as me in the night poll. I'm not even sure I remember what I voted for.... Tarting the roof or making plates I think.. Anyone have it written down?

#1020

There is a poll thread in the same forum as the game thread.

#1021

I know boo did, he said free beer was good, iirc. Since they got beer tarring the roof in the film.

#1022

Oh thats fancy!

Looks like I can't vote for bwt or john and they can't vote for me.

Not sure where I am leaning today. I didn't have the greatest vibes for Eloh or john because they seemed to go along quickly with boo's theory that Rey/me is the SK and I know that he's wrong and seems like trying to take advantage of an inactive player for an easy lynch.

#1023

They went along with BOOs theory. Vote for Boo. He's bad :nod:

#1024

BTW, tomorrow i will pull all the quotes, this is totes based on that one post. I cannot imagine in a million years a civ boo making such a remark, it is illogical and makes no sense. I would say that, yes. Boo, no how.

#1025

ebwop, I would say that ME, i would say that, yes, Boo no how.

#1026

Going boo so that I can try to stay in the game and because svs is giving the best argument for someone that already has a vote.

#1027

I have to admit, as much as S~V~S makes sense regarding boo, boo's post is nonetheless somehow convincing. It actually makes me second guess whether she's telling the truth and maybe boo is instead.

Now I'm not sure if that's a legit feeling, but it's where I'm at right now.

#1028

I feel terrible about voting JJ. No one should have to go out like that in a mafia game, IMO. And if you are indeed bad, good sir, you've played a TERRIFIC first game, it must be said. I greatly look forward to playing with you some more.

Nonetheless, a JJ vote still makes the most sense, I suppose.

I want to see what the other remaining living players have to say.

#1029

MovingPictures07 wrote:I feel terrible about voting JJ. No one should have to go out like that in a mafia game, IMO. And if you are indeed bad, good sir, you've played a TERRIFIC first game, it must be said. I greatly look forward to playing with you some more.

Nonetheless, a JJ vote still makes the most sense, I suppose.

I want to see what the other remaining living players have to say.

I do have to say that if Elo was telling the truth I'll be pretty annoyed/disappointed that she had to resort to such dirty tactics to get someone lynched. I feel so strongly about infodumping that I just can't feel good about voting for someone in that position. At the same time I dunno if I actually believe Elo anyway. The rules clearly state no outing of players, and that's essentially what she did by saying she knows JJ is bad because she has info. I can't see her breaking the rules, especially in Epi's game.

#1030

Bullzeye wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I feel terrible about voting JJ. No one should have to go out like that in a mafia game, IMO. And if you are indeed bad, good sir, you've played a TERRIFIC first game, it must be said. I greatly look forward to playing with you some more.

Nonetheless, a JJ vote still makes the most sense, I suppose.

I want to see what the other remaining living players have to say.
I do have to say that if Elo was telling the truth I'll be pretty annoyed/disappointed that she had to resort to such dirty tactics to get someone lynched. I feel so strongly about infodumping that I just can't feel good about voting for someone in that position. At the same time I dunno if I actually believe Elo anyway. The rules clearly state no outing of players, and that's essentially what she did by saying she knows JJ is bad because she has info. I can't see her breaking the rules, especially in Epi's game.

Hmmmm... that's very true. You think maybe she was just a ballsy Sister trying to claim that role?

My thoughts on infodumping are the same.

#1031

MovingPictures07 wrote:I have to admit, as much as S~V~S makes sense regarding boo, boo's post is nonetheless somehow convincing. It actually makes me second guess whether she's telling the truth and maybe boo is instead.

Now I'm not sure if that's a legit feeling, but it's where I'm at right now.

He isn't telling the truth. Initially he seemed like regular boo, then he started saying questionable things. Boo is probably the only person playing at this time that I tend to agree with most of the time when we are both civvies. He comes to similar conclusions to my own. But the last few days he is starting to make less and less sense to me. And boo ALWAYS makes sense to me.

I am going to reread him and see where he changed. Like I said last night, John could be bad, I can't imagine why Elo would say such a thing if it were not true, although it is also a good point that she has not been modkilled or publicly punished. So

But I am begging you to take me seriously; I feel very, very strongly about this. I have time to reread and post today, and I plan on doing so.

#1032

S~V~S wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I have to admit, as much as S~V~S makes sense regarding boo, boo's post is nonetheless somehow convincing. It actually makes me second guess whether she's telling the truth and maybe boo is instead.

Now I'm not sure if that's a legit feeling, but it's where I'm at right now.
He isn't telling the truth. Initially he seemed like regular boo, then he started saying questionable things. Boo is probably the only person playing at this time that I tend to agree with most of the time when we are both civvies. He comes to similar conclusions to my own. But the last few days he is starting to make less and less sense to me. And boo ALWAYS makes sense to me.

I am going to reread him and see where he changed. Like I said last night, John could be bad, I can't imagine why Elo would say such a thing if it were not true, although it is also a good point that she has not been modkilled or publicly punished. So But I am begging you to take me seriously; I feel very, very strongly about this. I have time to reread and post today, and I plan on doing so.

I understand your POV.

I look forward to seeing what you uncover.

On a COMPLETELY nonrelated point, what do players think of AP and FZ this game?

#1033

@ S~V~S - I am swayed by your argument (you did a really ridiculously good job laying out your rationale on that), but I can't vote tricksy tricksy Boo today because he voted the same option as me in the Night 5 poll. So I need to look elsewhere.

Lizzy was actually a bit pingy-wingy for me when I did my reread last night, so I will pull some quotes from her.

#1034

Lizzy wrote:You know what? Shan't randomise. Although I'm not a big fan of civs (oops! slip! ), I have to comply with the rules. A civ friendly SK (yes, Mr Blatch is one whether dead or alive - laying low or not participating at all) is preferable to baddies since the only people NK-ing at the moment are the latter, wouldn't you agree?

The civ-friendly SK comment was a bit alarming. If I am misinterpreting that, let me know. I know we had a brief back and forth at the time about it, but it was a little creepy-crawly to me.

Lizzy wrote:No-one died?

I guess I'll take care of your filthy laundry then...

I would like more clarification on why you were happy no one died - with people killing on both nights, if we lynch a civ, that is bad news bears, dude.

Lizzy wrote:
four. Hmmm, I was going to vote for SVS again, but boo's pick on an inactive supposed SK does not sit right with me, nor does jj'jjjj's bandwagoing for that matter. I may have to randomise out of the three...

These are all good statements, but a bit safe. She's saying all the right things and nothing controversial that anyone is going to fight her on (at that time). Getting out of the SVS vote was only going to make her appear more civ as was coming down hard on bandwagoning and boo's argument for Rey.

Leaning toward a Lizzy vote at this time, unless one of you sways me in that direction. Can't vote Boo, so Lizzy is looking very appealing.

#1035

boo wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Yes, i did. But I always watch boo very carefully, he is awesome and he is very, very good. ANd no way no how would he say something like he sais about voting John anyhow in a shitty case just to see what happens.

No fucking way.
She's dead, so here it is. I believe Eloh was Brooks, and she has voted john. If he is a sister, she would know it as a result. Her NK makes me think that shawshank came to the same conclusion.

Your pushing me for something that obvious (you trusted Eloh earlier in the game, was the Brooks belief not the reason why? It's been my reason for trusting her for days now) makes me seriously doubt you though, and your sudden distrust of Eloh's judgement after trusting her most of the game makes me peg you as john's teammate, casting doubt on Eloh now to save your teammate. Of course, you claim I'm a coniving baddie, but you've played enough with me to know I'm always an easy lynch, so I guess that's today's play from your team. Hopefully your third is dead... or you may actually take this one at the very least.

I'd be happy with a john or SVS lynch. I'll start on john because I feel comfortable trusting Eloh, especially given her death, as it rules her off of being Shawshank, and I think she was preparing to dismantle the sisters.

I do not think you are an easy lynch, I think you are easy for most people to misunderstand, and i am not one of them and you know this. If i were bad, i would be trying to lynch baddies, not make easy civ lynches of a person I really, really respect as a player; there are some people i would not try to lynch unless I was pretty positive they were bad, and you are one of them. I am not Johns teammate, and like I said, i did not trust Eloh, I trusted BWT. If she came to the same conclusion and is the role you say she was, then my trust for my own reason was well placed. Like i said, John could be bad, but that does not mean you are not. And imo you are probably the most dangerous person in this game to be a baddie. If you and John are both baddies, I would rather lynch you. Consider that a compliment

And you making feints in my general direction, weakly, is also not you, or maybe I should say, not CIV you.

BBL, gotta hit the craft store.

#1036

Gonna go ahead and put my vote on Lizzy in case I am not back in time, but I realize I have the option to switch it around later if I want.

linki - Ooh, what are you getting at the craft store? Modge Podge?

#1037

moss & rocks for some wall planters i am making, maybe some clay. Not sure. And maybe fabric for a dog bed, I got one of those ugly 70's hexagon end tables, took the doors off and am going to upholster the inside and line it with fabric to match the dog bed cushion. Trying to decide between campy (like faux fur) or super srs, like damask. Not sure if I am ready to buy that yet, i just want to look at the options.

#1038

This is the last post Eloh made before being NKed:

Elohcin wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Why do you believe that? People are saying things like this with zero backing it up.

We don't know this for a fact, and the fact that Boo & you are talking as if it were true worries me. TBH, I think boo is as bad as they come. He is saying he thinks it is OK to vote for someone for a shitty reason, and i just was floored by that. I can just imagine how boo would blast anyone who said such a thing were he civ. So it is my opinion that he is not a civ. And the insistence that JJ is a sister makes me think boo is staff.

I have no clue as to JJs affiliation. He might be a sister, the staff may have gotten info from contraband. But so far, I am not seeing a real reason to vote for him.
I am not sure about boo, but you could be right that he is staff. I know about JJ b/c I have info.

Then she was NKed.

@ Epignosis, Hosty with the Mosty, a quick question (or two)~ if someone was to directly break rules, would you modkill them, or would you punish them in some other way for breaking rules? If you did Modkill someone, would you directly say so, or if it was a different punishment, would it be a public punishment?

#1039

Mongoose wrote:
Lizzy wrote:You know what? Shan't randomise. Although I'm not a big fan of civs (oops! slip! ), I have to comply with the rules. A civ friendly SK (yes, Mr Blatch is one whether dead or alive - laying low or not participating at all) is preferable to baddies since the only people NK-ing at the moment are the latter, wouldn't you agree?
The civ-friendly SK comment was a bit alarming. If I am misinterpreting that, let me know. I know we had a brief back and forth at the time about it, but it was a little creepy-crawly to me.

Lizzy wrote:No-one died?

I guess I'll take care of your filthy laundry then...
I would like more clarification on why you were happy no one died - with people killing on both nights, if we lynch a civ, that is bad news bears, dude.
Lizzy wrote:
four. Hmmm, I was going to vote for SVS again, but boo's pick on an inactive supposed SK does not sit right with me, nor does jj'jjjj's bandwagoing for that matter. I may have to randomise out of the three...
These are all good statements, but a bit safe. She's saying all the right things and nothing controversial that anyone is going to fight her on (at that time). Getting out of the SVS vote was only going to make her appear more civ as was coming down hard on bandwagoning and boo's argument for Rey.

Leaning toward a Lizzy vote at this time, unless one of you sways me in that direction. Can't vote Boo, so Lizzy is looking very appealing.

This is by far the worst analysis of my posts yet.

But seriously, there's two types of people that I don't trust when I'm playing in looney mode:

1. those who know my play style and are quick to either agree with me or defend me (except for Matt, knowing his luck, he might never be a baddie in this life time ddks)

2. those who have been with me on a baddie team, who know how I play but decide to jump on my back because my way of acting is making me an easy target.

So which is it, Goosey? Am I making alarming statements or am I too safe? Or both at the same time? Perhaps herr Llama was on to something.

... as for Eloh and her info, isn't this.... you know... book related?

#1040

I forgot to add that this jjjjjj business is indeed fishy. If Elo did have official info in regards to his allegiance, then his game is odd as feck. I'm not sure his team mates would allow him to jump on bandwagons without giving any type of justification and to change his votes as often and suspiciously as he does; unless of course, they're playing the n00b card, hoping he'd be left alone for that very reason.

See, now I am helpful and playing safe(-ish)

#1041

You are always helpful!

I find the abrupt adjustment between the two (safeish and turbulent) the most thought-provoking and/or unsettling.

I agree about the J^4 stuff though. While I personally think a LP vote can fly for Day 2 (and certainly Day 1), I feel there's lots more to go on by Day 6. Everyone's gotta phone in a vote now and then, but it still makes me feel a bit urk.

#1042

FZ. wrote:Russ You wrote in your post regarding the Fat Ass issue that it was a matter of how we are going to view it, which basically pulled the carpet under your SVS suspicion. Why did you still vote for her?

I don't think what I wrote there pulled the carpet from under my S~V~S suspicion (obviously, given my vote). I do still acknowledge that her voting behavior so far is consistent with one pattern we could expect from a cautious Hadley. I felt that the other cases being made at the time were relatively weak, so she still seemed the best option. After the events of last night and the discussion today, however, I'm less sure.

S~V~S wrote:Why do you believe that? People are saying things like this with zero backing it up.

We don't know this for a fact, and the fact that Boo & you are talking as if it were true worries me. TBH, I think boo is as bad as they come. He is saying he thinks it is OK to vote for someone for a shitty reason, and i just was floored by that. I can just imagine how boo would blast anyone who said such a thing were he civ. So it is my opinion that he is not a civ. And the insistence that JJ is a sister makes me think boo is staff.

I do think the boo-Elo conversation before her death was interesting. Boo's theory was basically a meta-theory that Epi did not randomly assign roles, and Elo never built a case of any sort. I still haven't seen any evidence for or against JJJS being civ or bad of any type, besides Elo's supposed info drop. If she did have info, then I can't in good conscience act on that alone without any other evidence, and I'm not even sure I believe that she did. So I will not be voting JJJS today or at any point until I see some actual evidence of evil, and I urge others not to as well.

I was really surprised by this quote from S~V~S. I hadn't thought before about bo's post like that. But what I got from the post (and perhaps this was an error of interpretation on my part) was: "Elo, I suspect JJJS for non-thread related reasons. You suspect him for different non-thread related reasons that I don't necessarily understand or support. However, we both think he is bad and therefore he must be."

Again, boo, forgive me if I'm putting words in your mouth. That was simply the impression I personally got from what you posted.

I also don't claim intimate knowledge of Boo's game like S~V~S does, but I do know that in every game I have played with boo (2 or 3, counting this one) he's been super analytical and hasn't hesitated to call someone out when they say something unsubstantiated or contradictory. I think that's mostly been the case this game except for that one discussion, and it makes me wonder why the campaign against JJJS.

S~V~S wrote: I am going to reread him and see where he changed. Like I said last night, John could be bad, I can't imagine why Elo would say such a thing if it were not true, although it is also a good point that she has not been modkilled or publicly punished. So But I am begging you to take me seriously; I feel very, very strongly about this. I have time to reread and post today, and I plan on doing so.

As S~V~S mentions, Elo was not publicly punished. It could be that she did not actually info dump, or that she happened to be killed anyway, at which point I don't know what else Epi could reasonably have done.

I will add that in my experience, The Syndicate has a TERRIBLE record of lynching new players or players whose behavior they do not understand as civs. Maybe I'm seeing conspiracies, but I don't think it's a coincidence Elo and boo went after JJJS. Boo says he's always an easy lynch candidate, and maybe that's true, but I think JJJS is an even easier one.

I have 2 guesses. Either they are/were Sisters and set up JJJS for an easy kill, thinking they could use tonight's NK to silence anyone who might call them out on the lynch, or Elo, JJJS, and boo are all Sisters. Boggs is really the only role there with any power, and it would be a brilliant baddie play to get the other two killed and give him mad cred for helping find both. If they had Elo lead a lynch on a fellow Sister, either JJJS would be lynched and Elo and boo would look good, or, worst case, Elo would be and boo could throw her under the bus to save face. Either way boo looks good, and if he really thinks he's an easy lynch candidate that could offer him some protection from that and from NKs, because the other baddie team would be trying to get Boggs and not him. I think the NK messed with their plans.

In either scenario, I think it's a very safe bet that Elo was expendable and that boo is Boggs and needs to go. JJJS may or may not be with them.

Sorry for the mega-post. This whole thing really got my wheels spinning.

voting boo

Linki: Lizzy and Mongoose, glad I'm not the only one thinking Elo may have been lying. I'm not yet sure what this says about S~V~S, except that I would now be SHOCKED if she were a sister. I suppose she could be Boggs, Elo and boo Sisters, and JJJS innocent, but that would just be insanely convoluted, and if they pulled that off I wouldn't even mind losing to them because it's so complex and fiendishly brilliant. So S~V~S could be on the Warden team, but I think she's in the right on this point.

Mongoose, what do you mean by LP vote? You lost me there.

#1043

Hmm, so Ello came in and said she had info on JJ. SVS said she read a book. Isn't that sort of saying you got info as well? Judging by the info I got, you could barely get anything from the latter, so how did that help her learn something about BWT or Ello?

And in a way, it makes sense that if Ello broke the rules, the only way to modkill her and not make it obvious that her info is real is if he made it look like she died from Hadely. But if that's what happened, what happened to the real Hadely kill? It would make the baddies know more than us, and it seems unfair. So bottom line is, I think it probably was a real kill. I also see a possibility where the staff killed Ello, to make us believe she was right about jj. But they couldn't have known, right? So maybe they just did it to keep her out of their business.

Now, Boo's reply to SVS pinged me. Although I'm suspicious of SVS, it made me think she is right about Boo. It doesn't clear her though. They can be on opposing teams. And Mongoose analysis of Lizzie, seemed a bit too easy for me.

#1044

FZ. wrote:Hmm, so Ello came in and said she had info on JJ. SVS said she read a book. Isn't that sort of saying you got info as well? Judging by the info I got, you could barely get anything from the latter, so how did that help her learn something about BWT or Ello?

And in a way, it makes sense that if Ello broke the rules, the only way to modkill her and not make it obvious that her info is real is if he made it look like she died from Hadely. But if that's what happened, what happened to the real Hadely kill? It would make the baddies know more than us, and it seems unfair. So bottom line is, I think it probably was a real kill. I also see a possibility where the staff killed Ello, to make us believe she was right about jj. But they couldn't have known, right? So maybe they just did it to keep her out of their business.

Now, Boo's reply to SVS pinged me. Although I'm suspicious of SVS, it made me think she is right about Boo. It doesn't clear her though. They can be on opposing teams. And Mongoose analysis of Lizzie, seemed a bit too easy for me.

I'm not seeing a ton of other cases being made though. And I'm unable to vote Boo he voted the same as me.

Russti - by LP I mean voting a Low Poster.

Also, that was the biggest No U I've ever seen by Lizzybean. I don't think No U's are generally all that indicative of alignment, but I found it funny, nonetheless.

#1045

Mongoose wrote:
FZ. wrote:Hmm, so Ello came in and said she had info on JJ. SVS said she read a book. Isn't that sort of saying you got info as well? Judging by the info I got, you could barely get anything from the latter, so how did that help her learn something about BWT or Ello?

And in a way, it makes sense that if Ello broke the rules, the only way to modkill her and not make it obvious that her info is real is if he made it look like she died from Hadely. But if that's what happened, what happened to the real Hadely kill? It would make the baddies know more than us, and it seems unfair. So bottom line is, I think it probably was a real kill. I also see a possibility where the staff killed Ello, to make us believe she was right about jj. But they couldn't have known, right? So maybe they just did it to keep her out of their business.

Now, Boo's reply to SVS pinged me. Although I'm suspicious of SVS, it made me think she is right about Boo. It doesn't clear her though. They can be on opposing teams. And Mongoose analysis of Lizzie, seemed a bit too easy for me.
I'm not seeing a ton of other cases being made though. And I'm unable to vote Boo he voted the same as me.

Russti - by LP I mean voting a Low Poster.

Also, that was the biggest No U I've ever seen by Lizzybean. I don't think No U's are generally all that indicative of alignment, but I found it funny, nonetheless.

I can't vote for Boo either. I really thought he was right about the beer and we'll get something, lol.
But what worries me about what you did with Lizzie is pick a bit of an easy target at the stage we're at. It is day 6 and there are players who are on the table, Boo, SVS, and jj come to mind. You can't vote for Boo, fine. What do you think of the rest? Do you think they are civvies? What do you think about those thinking they aren't?

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FZ. wrote:Hmm, so Ello came in and said she had info on JJ. SVS said she read a book. Isn't that sort of saying you got info as well? Judging by the info I got, you could barely get anything from the latter, so how did that help her learn something about BWT or Ello?

And in a way, it makes sense that if Ello broke the rules, the only way to modkill her and not make it obvious that her info is real is if he made it look like she died from Hadely. But if that's what happened, what happened to the real Hadely kill? It would make the baddies know more than us, and it seems unfair. So bottom line is, I think it probably was a real kill. I also see a possibility where the staff killed Ello, to make us believe she was right about jj. But they couldn't have known, right? So maybe they just did it to keep her out of their business.

Now, Boo's reply to SVS pinged me. Although I'm suspicious of SVS, it made me think she is right about Boo. It doesn't clear her though. They can be on opposing teams. And Mongoose analysis of Lizzie, seemed a bit too easy for me.

I also do not understand how book info would be helping S~V~S to the degree she is implying it is, based on what I got.

I agree with you that the kill was likely a real one and also likely coincidence.

I haven't even thought much about Mongoose and Lizzy, with the other stuff going on. I haven't seen much weird from Lizzy, except maybe that she's slightly more serious than usual. I don't think the stuff Mongoose brought up is particularly convincing.

I wonder, though, if bringing her up was a baddie play, why make it now? There are plenty of candidates up for consideration, and not all of them can be bad. If Mongoose were picking on an easily-lynched Lizzy, now doesn't seem the time, when she could just subtly steer the lynch toward non-teammates who are already in the public eye.

#1047

FZ. wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
FZ. wrote:Hmm, so Ello came in and said she had info on JJ. SVS said she read a book. Isn't that sort of saying you got info as well? Judging by the info I got, you could barely get anything from the latter, so how did that help her learn something about BWT or Ello?

And in a way, it makes sense that if Ello broke the rules, the only way to modkill her and not make it obvious that her info is real is if he made it look like she died from Hadely. But if that's what happened, what happened to the real Hadely kill? It would make the baddies know more than us, and it seems unfair. So bottom line is, I think it probably was a real kill. I also see a possibility where the staff killed Ello, to make us believe she was right about jj. But they couldn't have known, right? So maybe they just did it to keep her out of their business.

Now, Boo's reply to SVS pinged me. Although I'm suspicious of SVS, it made me think she is right about Boo. It doesn't clear her though. They can be on opposing teams. And Mongoose analysis of Lizzie, seemed a bit too easy for me.
I'm not seeing a ton of other cases being made though. And I'm unable to vote Boo he voted the same as me.

Russti - by LP I mean voting a Low Poster.

Also, that was the biggest No U I've ever seen by Lizzybean. I don't think No U's are generally all that indicative of alignment, but I found it funny, nonetheless.
I can't vote for Boo either. I really thought he was right about the beer and we'll get something, lol.
But what worries me about what you did with Lizzie is pick a bit of an easy target at the stage we're at. It is day 6 and there are players who are on the table, Boo, SVS, and jj come to mind. You can't vote for Boo, fine. What do you think of the rest? Do you think they are civvies? What do you think about those thinking they aren't?

Woah! I've never thought I'd live to see this day: FZ telling Mongoose off for picking on me because I seem like an easy target AND we seem to have the same list of suspects as well.

I added Goosey to mine just now.

Also, I'm not sure that's what a NO U looks like since I've kinda justified that post.

#1048

Okay, kids! Sleepy time in Yurp! I voted for boo yesterday, voting for him today.

#1049

Russtifinko wrote:
FZ. wrote:Hmm, so Ello came in and said she had info on JJ. SVS said she read a book. Isn't that sort of saying you got info as well? Judging by the info I got, you could barely get anything from the latter, so how did that help her learn something about BWT or Ello?

And in a way, it makes sense that if Ello broke the rules, the only way to modkill her and not make it obvious that her info is real is if he made it look like she died from Hadely. But if that's what happened, what happened to the real Hadely kill? It would make the baddies know more than us, and it seems unfair. So bottom line is, I think it probably was a real kill. I also see a possibility where the staff killed Ello, to make us believe she was right about jj. But they couldn't have known, right? So maybe they just did it to keep her out of their business.

Now, Boo's reply to SVS pinged me. Although I'm suspicious of SVS, it made me think she is right about Boo. It doesn't clear her though. They can be on opposing teams. And Mongoose analysis of Lizzie, seemed a bit too easy for me.
I also do not understand how book info would be helping S~V~S to the degree she is implying it is, based on what I got.

I agree with you that the kill was likely a real one and also likely coincidence.

I haven't even thought much about Mongoose and Lizzy, with the other stuff going on. I haven't seen much weird from Lizzy, except maybe that she's slightly more serious than usual. I don't think the stuff Mongoose brought up is particularly convincing.

I wonder, though, if bringing her up was a baddie play, why make it now? There are plenty of candidates up for consideration, and not all of them can be bad. If Mongoose were picking on an easily-lynched Lizzy, now doesn't seem the time, when she could just subtly steer the lynch toward non-teammates who are already in the public eye.

Maybe because it's getting more intense and if you lynch the wrong person, more eyes will be on you. So you bring up someone no one has talked about this day. Makes your suspicions more original, so you're not perceived as bandwagoning, and the chances people will follow you are not high, because there are "hotter" potatoes to deal with.

Lizzy wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
FZ. wrote:Hmm, so Ello came in and said she had info on JJ. SVS said she read a book. Isn't that sort of saying you got info as well? Judging by the info I got, you could barely get anything from the latter, so how did that help her learn something about BWT or Ello?

And in a way, it makes sense that if Ello broke the rules, the only way to modkill her and not make it obvious that her info is real is if he made it look like she died from Hadely. But if that's what happened, what happened to the real Hadely kill? It would make the baddies know more than us, and it seems unfair. So bottom line is, I think it probably was a real kill. I also see a possibility where the staff killed Ello, to make us believe she was right about jj. But they couldn't have known, right? So maybe they just did it to keep her out of their business.

Now, Boo's reply to SVS pinged me. Although I'm suspicious of SVS, it made me think she is right about Boo. It doesn't clear her though. They can be on opposing teams. And Mongoose analysis of Lizzie, seemed a bit too easy for me.
I'm not seeing a ton of other cases being made though. And I'm unable to vote Boo he voted the same as me.

Russti - by LP I mean voting a Low Poster.

Also, that was the biggest No U I've ever seen by Lizzybean. I don't think No U's are generally all that indicative of alignment, but I found it funny, nonetheless.
I can't vote for Boo either. I really thought he was right about the beer and we'll get something, lol.
But what worries me about what you did with Lizzie is pick a bit of an easy target at the stage we're at. It is day 6 and there are players who are on the table, Boo, SVS, and jj come to mind. You can't vote for Boo, fine. What do you think of the rest? Do you think they are civvies? What do you think about those thinking they aren't?
Woah! I've never thought I'd live to see this day: FZ telling Mongoose off for picking on me because I seem like an easy target AND we seem to have the same list of suspects as well. I added Goosey to mine just now.

Also, I'm not sure that's what a NO U looks like since I've kinda justified that post.

Don't worry, you're not off the hook yet

But I get that the reasons I voted you before are not out of the ordinary for you. Also, your replies seem kind of genuine.

Though in your last post, which comes after the one I quoted, I didn't get why you had to share with us that you voted for Boo yesterday and today. I never get those kind of remarks and they make doubt the person saying them. So I'm on the fence with you.

#1050

I need to go to sleep.
I don't get people saying they won't vote for jj because of Elo using that kind of evidence. It's not like we'll be able to forget it. It's in our minds. But since I can't stay and discuss it, I'm willing to talk about him and it next day (if I'm alive).

I can't vote for Boo and I'm torn between SVS and Mongoose. With Mongoose, we have llama voting for her a lot, but we don't know why he did it. I have her kind of avoiding the talked about people and building a weak case on Lizzie.

With SVS, I don't get her trust in Ello because of the book she read, because I didn't get much from it. The way she's dismissing Ello is also bothering me, and I've been suspicious of her already.