DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[DharmaHelper]

Longest Day 0 of all time.

[Russtifinko]

Russ - Light Town because their posts accusing me felt genuine actually

I am inclined to disagree on this one. I found Russ's take on your proposed Mac slip to be convoluted, in that the variables he introduced (primarily the relationship/experience you've had or not had with MacDougall) to be of shaky relevance, and I struggled to follow the thread of thought he was putting to paper.

!

This reminds me of something important.

There was a game where Russ was scum and caught by I believe it was even MacDougall with similar logic.

@MacDougall do you remember this? What game was it? You and I even argued about it didn't we?

Fuck why can't I remember what game it was

Hmm, could be MeatBoy? Maybe Mario, too. I'm pretty sure in one of those, Mac and me were baddie teammates and bussed each other hard, though. So if that's the one you're thinking of, Mac didn't catch me on logic, me caught me cuz he was my baddie teammate, knew I was bad, and was looking for any little thing to pin on me.

[MacDougall]

Sometimes I phone post and I just post hot takes generally.

[RobotNerd277]

Spoiler: show

Robot's giant catchup post part 1 (pages 1-4)

This site is a lot more heavy on NP interaction with the thread than any other site I've seen. That's kinda neat.

And of course MP is interacting with everyone all the time. You seem a lot more in your element here than d1 of g9.

I wonder what the beef between DH and MP is? It looks to me like a joke.

So, I'm trying to figure out how to read most of the people here. I vaguely remember Tsaiah being a particularly excitable friend, and I feel like I have a reasonable grip on MP's playstyle after g9 (that is, make ALL THE POSTS, (even when scum because I did a little research during that game)), but I don't really know much about how others play, though I have spent time with abyssum on the flight rising mafia discord.

After what point do the beginning-of-game jokes end? In particular, I'm trying to get a read on MacDougall, but maybe they're just too hard because they're A Jokester TM.

I think I like Kylemii. Not sure why. (Apparently MP agrees)

I... am really skeeved by post #89 from MP, except that it's in character? What I specifically don't like is that it positions him as "A Very Useful Person That You Implicitly Should Not Lynch," which idk, is a strategy I employed a bunch as scum on flight rising, but I think that's just How MP Is.

Spoiler: show

So I’m the only player to have experience and/or history with every other player here. I can provide meta and such if necessary. I prefer not to rely on it much though. But feel free to ask me and I will provide opinions on whatever assuming I haven’t already.

oh god that was only page 2. I gotta skim faster

okay phew the beef with MP and DH was just A Joke. Very agree with the Tsaiah love. Tsaiah is purer than snow generated from distilled water.

okay the reason I like kylemmi is because they're also a robot from the future sent to play mafia. high five! o/

@kylemii but actually, my history is that I've been playing mafia across many different sites since 2012, most recently of which was mafiauniverse, but like, I was one of the founding members of flightrising's mafia community, and I play a bunch at my school. I know a bunch of mafia players scattered around the web I think.

whoop tsaiah stole my lightning :<

Spoiler: show

Now tell me about you!

no one's ever asked me this before!

i'm kylemii, and this account is actually run by a forum bot created by long con in 20010 as a programming challenge to create the ultimate mafia playing bot. i am barely able to play mafia, but i do my best.

xD

Robotnerd's gonna like you

I rescind my previous comment on MP7 acting "too valuable to lynch." He actually posted meta thoughts on every player, nullifying that argument. I'm keeping it in this post though because that's how stream of conciousness works.

I'm gonna keep reading forward through the thread immediately but this file is getting too long already.

What about M Plus 7 posting his meta reads nullified your argument about him making himself seem too valuable to lynch?

Forgot to answer this. there's a thing that scum sometimes do of making themselves integral to town, integral to its gameplay, so that if they're lynched, then the game kind of grinds to a halt. Something like withholding meta reads to be queried at any time could seem "good and helpful" but that implies that he needs to continue to be alive. Which means "don't lynch me"

So when he just, gave all the meta reads he could, without needing a sort of query-and-response at all, that came across as a major subversion of the trope, which looks pretty good for MP7.

[abyssum]

Luna is bad, anyone wanna fight me?

Hi Turnip Head, what makes you say that?

Idk k ask me later

I will. I'm trying to decide if you're town, and attempting to scum-hunt, or if you're mafia and trying to stir up interest on an easy townie lynch. The "Idk k ask me later" answer makes me think it's the latter.

linki MP of course

I get a bad vibe from this post. It feels like a bit of a forced read? Like, it's so easy to find what Turnip did as suspicious but gut-wise I just don't see it as suspicious at all because it's so obviously suspicious, yet Luna is sinking her teeth into it a bit here. This combined with her saying I have a commentary vibe to my posts with little opinions, which I disagree with and makes me wonder if her read there is genuine too, makes me suspicious of her.

what, you think what Turnip Head is doing is too suspicious to even be suspicious? what's your thought process here? why can't Lunalee view this as a legitimate suspicion and comment on it? this almost reads like you're not really suspecting this post but are instead trying to disagree with Luna's read on you without actually just quoting it and saying "no you're wrong."

i should hope you disagree with Luna's less-than-favorable read on you (you know if you have opinions, you know if you've been in commentary mode), but why doesn't THAT read genuine to you? you can't just say that nothing seems genuine without giving any reasons as to why. if you disagree, OK, but lay out why you think that instead of just saying that you're suspicious of Luna. disagreeing with a read doesn't mean that that read came from scum, and not thinking a read is right doesn't mean it's insincere

[abyssum]

also hi i'm sort of here, sort of making dinner

getting caught up on the thread in the meantime

[abyssum]

i can do my best to explain tsaiah's meta if REALLY pressed on it, but i haven't played with her as scum in a long while and i'm not particularly good at explaining people's meta "in general." if i give meta, it's usually a very specific point (like discussing off-topic stuff at EOD being more indicative of her scum game), not an overall take on it

it's not a tool i personally heavily utilize, so it would be a bad idea for you to consider tsaiah's play based on my clumsy explanations of her meta.

[abyssum]

Look at Tsaiah asking questions and shit.

TSAIAH IS PURE AS FUCK

I WILL CUT ANYONE THAT KILLS HER

Again the confidence in her purity even though you've never played a full game with her so presumably don't know her that well pings me. I agree she looks like she's genuinely solving but I also think she could be faking it, and I don't share your confidence in her being so pure to that degree, which is why it pings me

we just got out of a game where you saw town!MP7 do this exact thing with me, and we had never even come close to playing a game together--we talked for a couple days pre-game and that's literally it. can you explain what makes the circumstances with tsaiah look different here? what, if anything, makes MP7 look more like he's pocketing or talking to a buddy than him being town?

[abyssum]

i see a request to analyze some players, and i'm gonna honor it but...later. several of those players haven't posted anything that i can really remember atm

will probably just naked reread the thread since it's not very long and post my opinions then

[abyssum]

Luna is bad, anyone wanna fight me?

Hi Turnip Head, what makes you say that?

Idk k ask me later

I will. I'm trying to decide if you're town, and attempting to scum-hunt, or if you're mafia and trying to stir up interest on an easy townie lynch. The "Idk k ask me later" answer makes me think it's the latter.

linki MP of course

I get a bad vibe from this post. It feels like a bit of a forced read? Like, it's so easy to find what Turnip did as suspicious but gut-wise I just don't see it as suspicious at all because it's so obviously suspicious, yet Luna is sinking her teeth into it a bit here. This combined with her saying I have a commentary vibe to my posts with little opinions, which I disagree with and makes me wonder if her read there is genuine too, makes me suspicious of her.

Well I can see this perspective too.

I’ve led many an ML on Luna so now is the time I throw my hands up in the air lol.

MP7, please explain to me what perspective you were seeing here from alien. there was nothing in here i could really get anything useful out of, so what made sense to you?

[abyssum]

One note: given the generally positive vibes I am getting from the most active core of play so far, I am finding the "null" players to be, by default, more suspicious than null. At this point if I have no concrete reason to see someone as a civilian or a mafioso, that's a bad thing.

cool. who would fit the description as of this post?

[abyssum]

brb for a bit to do a dinner

[Kylemii]

@abyssum -- ISO
@Infected_alien8_
@JaggedJimmyJay
@RobotNerd277
@Russtifinko

plz also tell me ur history?

I changed my mind on Kyle again. I don’t like this post. Even if he receives thorough responses from each of these people about their “history”, I have my doubts that he’d be likely to apply it to his hunting. It’s a question being asked for the sake of asking a question.

not everything is about hunting, jay. this question has never been about hunting, it's about getting new players into the game and making friends and having a good time, which is why we're all here in the first place.

[Kylemii]

were you under the impression that my regularly asking people about their past mafia experiences was some kind of scum-hunting tactic? [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

[Kylemii]

also? fuck, page 18? jesus. time to ketchup i guess

[Kylemii]

were you under the impression that my regularly asking people about their past mafia experiences was some kind of scum-hunting tactic? JaggedJimmyJay

this is a real question I want answered btw

[RobotNerd277]

Robot's giant catchup post part 2 (pages 5-halfway thru 8)

Okay, I do actually want to hear whatever JaggedJimmyJay has to say, but I'm certain that none of the ego deflation is gonna shut him up so

Lunalee's avatar is forcing me to trust her. Cannot resist! But actually, her comments on MP7 are pretty neutral.

I cannot penetrate MacDougall's icy veneer at all. Dayum

Spoiler: show

quotes and memes and pointless things

I don’t care if it’s the not playing option. I’m picking ESports

Also baseball is ok I guess

valid, and also, same

I have to confess I haven't read a word of the game yet 100% because its two pages of game and 4 pages of MP

lol. very valid.

I like JaggedJimmyJay's reads (in and around this post) but I personally don't think there's enough in the thread to peg DH as scum. He seems pretty resistant to posting in force until Day 1 properly starts. That's a viewpoint I personally dislike, but I don't think it necessarily reflects on DH's alignment, just his character.

Alien's doing the same kinda catch-up postwall as I am. Here's the link. It's the first longpost I've seen in this game, so let's break it down.

I disagree with Alien about how MP feels about Tsaiah (in particular, a lock-town read is a Really Good thing to get early on so long as you do allow yourself to reassess and distrust that person later on, and also Tsaiah's ISO screams Good Bean to me). I do agree about Mac though. I am confused as hell about Mac.

Actually, you know what, MP7's eagerness to townread so many people is making me feel not great. Like he said he wants a solid town circle and then a POE, but I agree with Alien that he's just handing out townreads like, everywhere.

Can I give a read on Dragon D. Luffy? They're locktown whether or not they're playing okbye

okay, ColinisCool has the same feeling about MP, so it's not just Alien.

hmm, I feel like at this point I should have a stronger read on JaggedJimmyJay. He's questioning Colin, hard, which is a good and reasonable thing to do. I think I'm just tinfoiling against him.

Hmm, I had a sentence typed out about liking abyssum's reads and tone, but don't have specific evidence to point to what exactly I like and I don't care enough to hunt it down.

Spoiler: show

Allow me to show each of you who aren't already aware the true genesis of "dogpee", from the beginning, before the old times, when your grandpappy's mafia team was in diapers.

MP right now reminds me of a dog who is so excited he is just peeing all over everything.

omg

oh boy mp is gonna respond to everything levied against him in Alien's post. God I don't really want to read this, but I'm gonna have to eventually.

I like JaggedJimmyJay's take on abyssum in post #333. And his response in #342 to MP7 asking him about asking about Colin. I think I have a good townread on him.

Hello Turnip Head. If you posted before #355, I didn't see it. I'm gonna look into ColinIsCool once I catch up, I think (which at this rate will be night phase). I just made a todolist for this game. It just has "finish catchup" and "ISO Colin" on it.

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Okay, my eyes are glazing over post #369 and I think I'm going to stop there for now. There's a lot of content, but this game isn't moving so fast that I can't catch up being a day behind, just I'm being a bit slow. Walls of text make me disengage, both when writing and reading them. But I evidently just straight up said something false about MacDougall because I didn't thoroughly pore over the thread and I don't really want to do that, so here I am. fwiw, I haven't seen anything to really change my opinion on MacDougall before like, my own interaction with him (which did change my opinion).

[Tangrowth]

Okay, I'm limiting my posting. Promise. I'll be in and out all evening.

[RobotNerd277]

@abyssum -- ISO
@Infected_alien8_
@JaggedJimmyJay
@RobotNerd277
@Russtifinko

plz also tell me ur history?

I changed my mind on Kyle again. I don’t like this post. Even if he receives thorough responses from each of these people about their “history”, I have my doubts that he’d be likely to apply it to his hunting. It’s a question being asked for the sake of asking a question.

not everything is about hunting, jay. this question has never been about hunting, it's about getting new players into the game and making friends and having a good time, which is why we're all here in the first place.

Okay, not only are you a time-traveling robot sent to play mafia, you're a really excellent one who gets the point of playing mafia altogether. You're a treasure!

Spoiler: show

Am I using the OT tags right?

[Tangrowth]

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention]

Also, earlier when I was going through old games for Tsaiah, I found this in the Frisky Dingo game: (over 3 years ago now!)

Spoiler: show

Totally stoked to start playing this game! I’m pretty sure I’ve played at least one game with most of you, but if I haven’t, hello new guys! My strategy this game is going to be a little fast and loose, but I’m ready to wreck face.

Does anyone have any questions for me? Really nervous since I haven’t even seen a single episode of this show… Anybody know who Brent/Trent are? Killing one of them is gonna be an interesting decision, and I feel like I’d make a better choice if I knew more about them. Every Day 0 Poll is almost always nerve wracking.

Who wants to take bets on the first person to ask if anyone has poll info? At least there are only two options. Seems less likely there would be too much oddness with just two options to go off of.
The one problem I can see us running into pretty early is the lack of activity from some of the newer folks, but I’ll hold off judgement on that until more people start to trickle in or the days start to tick by, whichever comes first. Having inactive players (however intentionally) is only going to hurt the civs as the game goes on; having just won a game based on that, I don’t plan on tolerating it if I can help it. Everyone needs to pitch in.

This post is getting a little long but it’s late so it will probably be my only post of the night, better to make it count. Happy to be playing a full game again! I don’t think I could handle a 24/24 game again so soon after Watchmen. Ready to take my time and read everything carefully. Don’t expect me to fuck around with ISO’s or rainbow lists or whatever though.

Rainbow lists, as (inexplicably) popular as they’ve gotten, piss me off because they are annoying and serve no real legitimate purpose. Others obviously disagree, but I figure I’d best get my thoughts on the matter out early; I won’t hold it against anyone who wants to make one, but I won’t really hold those lists in a high regard either. But that’s probably my stubbornness influencing my game. I don’t adapt well to change. Now before I get too ramble-heavy, I’m gonna bounce outta here; bye guys!

Hello, DH!

Rainbow lists aren't popular.

This game is 48/24, right?

Agreed on nonparticipants, here's hoping we don't have any.

[Tangrowth]

I also just checked and didn't realize DH was playing Firefly AND mega-posting there. Over 200 posts.

Alright, I somewhat understand the reluctance a bit more now.

[Tangrowth]

I really shouldn't say more than that, and I maybe even shouldn't have said that upon reflection (oops), because it's ongoing though.

[MacDougall]

Why am I the focal point of so many people's attempts to read the game yet everybody is on the fence with it? If you have suspicions of me voice them, if you don't then go look at others and find someone you do. We'll be voting for people soon.

[DharmaHelper]

@DharmaHelper

Also, earlier when I was going through old games for Tsaiah, I found this in the Frisky Dingo game: (over 3 years ago now!)

Spoiler: show

Totally stoked to start playing this game! I’m pretty sure I’ve played at least one game with most of you, but if I haven’t, hello new guys! My strategy this game is going to be a little fast and loose, but I’m ready to wreck face.

Does anyone have any questions for me? Really nervous since I haven’t even seen a single episode of this show… Anybody know who Brent/Trent are? Killing one of them is gonna be an interesting decision, and I feel like I’d make a better choice if I knew more about them. Every Day 0 Poll is almost always nerve wracking.

Who wants to take bets on the first person to ask if anyone has poll info? At least there are only two options. Seems less likely there would be too much oddness with just two options to go off of.
The one problem I can see us running into pretty early is the lack of activity from some of the newer folks, but I’ll hold off judgement on that until more people start to trickle in or the days start to tick by, whichever comes first. Having inactive players (however intentionally) is only going to hurt the civs as the game goes on; having just won a game based on that, I don’t plan on tolerating it if I can help it. Everyone needs to pitch in.

This post is getting a little long but it’s late so it will probably be my only post of the night, better to make it count. Happy to be playing a full game again! I don’t think I could handle a 24/24 game again so soon after Watchmen. Ready to take my time and read everything carefully. Don’t expect me to fuck around with ISO’s or rainbow lists or whatever though.

Rainbow lists, as (inexplicably) popular as they’ve gotten, piss me off because they are annoying and serve no real legitimate purpose. Others obviously disagree, but I figure I’d best get my thoughts on the matter out early; I won’t hold it against anyone who wants to make one, but I won’t really hold those lists in a high regard either. But that’s probably my stubbornness influencing my game. I don’t adapt well to change. Now before I get too ramble-heavy, I’m gonna bounce outta here; bye guys!

Hello, DH!

Rainbow lists aren't popular.

This game is 48/24, right?

Agreed on nonparticipants, here's hoping we don't have any.

I'm nothing if not irritatingly consistent

[Tangrowth]

Russ - Light Town because their posts accusing me felt genuine actually

I am inclined to disagree on this one. I found Russ's take on your proposed Mac slip to be convoluted, in that the variables he introduced (primarily the relationship/experience you've had or not had with MacDougall) to be of shaky relevance, and I struggled to follow the thread of thought he was putting to paper.

!

This reminds me of something important.

There was a game where Russ was scum and caught by I believe it was even MacDougall with similar logic.

@MacDougall do you remember this? What game was it? You and I even argued about it didn't we?

Fuck why can't I remember what game it was

Ask the Syndicate historian

Dammit, I'll have to just do some research later tonight then or something. I swear this has happened before in a game where Russ was scum and you and I were town, but maybe I'm mistaken.

[Tangrowth]

@DharmaHelper

Also, earlier when I was going through old games for Tsaiah, I found this in the Frisky Dingo game: (over 3 years ago now!)

Spoiler: show

Totally stoked to start playing this game! I’m pretty sure I’ve played at least one game with most of you, but if I haven’t, hello new guys! My strategy this game is going to be a little fast and loose, but I’m ready to wreck face.

Does anyone have any questions for me? Really nervous since I haven’t even seen a single episode of this show… Anybody know who Brent/Trent are? Killing one of them is gonna be an interesting decision, and I feel like I’d make a better choice if I knew more about them. Every Day 0 Poll is almost always nerve wracking.

Who wants to take bets on the first person to ask if anyone has poll info? At least there are only two options. Seems less likely there would be too much oddness with just two options to go off of.
The one problem I can see us running into pretty early is the lack of activity from some of the newer folks, but I’ll hold off judgement on that until more people start to trickle in or the days start to tick by, whichever comes first. Having inactive players (however intentionally) is only going to hurt the civs as the game goes on; having just won a game based on that, I don’t plan on tolerating it if I can help it. Everyone needs to pitch in.

This post is getting a little long but it’s late so it will probably be my only post of the night, better to make it count. Happy to be playing a full game again! I don’t think I could handle a 24/24 game again so soon after Watchmen. Ready to take my time and read everything carefully. Don’t expect me to fuck around with ISO’s or rainbow lists or whatever though.

Rainbow lists, as (inexplicably) popular as they’ve gotten, piss me off because they are annoying and serve no real legitimate purpose. Others obviously disagree, but I figure I’d best get my thoughts on the matter out early; I won’t hold it against anyone who wants to make one, but I won’t really hold those lists in a high regard either. But that’s probably my stubbornness influencing my game. I don’t adapt well to change. Now before I get too ramble-heavy, I’m gonna bounce outta here; bye guys!

Hello, DH!

Rainbow lists aren't popular.

This game is 48/24, right?

Agreed on nonparticipants, here's hoping we don't have any.

I'm nothing if not irritatingly consistent

And I love you for who you are man, despite the constant shit we give each other. Don't forget it.

[Tangrowth]

MP for what reason does RobotNerd277 have a moderate town read? In my skim I saw one post that said "sorry I'm late" basically.

I liked her first catch-up post, but in reality I probably should have waited to see more from her before committing to such a strong read, but you know what? Fuck it. My gut quite liked it. Seemed like a genuine attempt to orient herself in the game.

[Tangrowth]

By harder I mean, with evidence and serious reads and stuff. Much of my difficulty in reading people originates with you.

Robot, I don't understand what this means. Can you elaborate for me?

[Tangrowth]

I am currently working on the assumption that the scum team is sprityo, Infected_alien8_ and russtifinko.

Why is that exactly? I could see that, but I'm terrible at calling out teams this early... unlike you.

[Russtifinko]

@abyssum -- ISO
@Infected_alien8_
@JaggedJimmyJay
@RobotNerd277
@Russtifinko

plz also tell me ur history?

I changed my mind on Kyle again. I don’t like this post. Even if he receives thorough responses from each of these people about their “history”, I have my doubts that he’d be likely to apply it to his hunting. It’s a question being asked for the sake of asking a question.

not everything is about hunting, jay. this question has never been about hunting, it's about getting new players into the game and making friends and having a good time, which is why we're all here in the first place.

Oh right, I forgot!

I'm an irl friend of MP. I started playing here around 2013, and probably haven't played since 2016 at least. I think I vaguely remember you from before, but not enough to recall specifics about games we've played or your playstyle. I've dabbled in hosting, too. I sometimes win, but more often than not I lose. Hmm...I'm not really sure what else to say about myself. But feel free to ask if there's anything specific you want to know about me.

Linki: Robot, I had never thought of referring to posts by number. You've opened up my eyes - that is going to save me a LOT of tabbing.
Double Linki: I like rainbow lists!
Triple Linki: MP, it's possible - I'm a very forgetful person. I just don't remember it.
Quadruple Linki: MP LET ME POST!!
Quintuple Linki: Holy moly you typed a multi-line, game-related post in the time it took me to write my quadruple linki. You're a machine.
Sextuple Linki: MP STAAAAAHP! In the name of all that is good in this world
Septuple Linki: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

[MacDougall]

Google searching for "russtifinko macdougall" only shows Talking Heads. We were scum teammates in that game. Russ was our last survivor.

[Tangrowth]

Longest Day 0 of all time.

Lol, alright, I'll give you that; it has felt like we've played this game longer than 48 hours in a way, doesn't it?

[Russtifinko]

Oh good, my kamehameha on the septuple linki worked.

How is this happening? We're not even near a voting deadline. :haha

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Russ - Light Town because their posts accusing me felt genuine actually

I am inclined to disagree on this one. I found Russ's take on your proposed Mac slip to be convoluted, in that the variables he introduced (primarily the relationship/experience you've had or not had with MacDougall) to be of shaky relevance, and I struggled to follow the thread of thought he was putting to paper.

!

This reminds me of something important.

There was a game where Russ was scum and caught by I believe it was even MacDougall with similar logic.

@MacDougall do you remember this? What game was it? You and I even argued about it didn't we?

Fuck why can't I remember what game it was

Hmm, could be MeatBoy? Maybe Mario, too. I'm pretty sure in one of those, Mac and me were baddie teammates and bussed each other hard, though. So if that's the one you're thinking of, Mac didn't catch me on logic, me caught me cuz he was my baddie teammate, knew I was bad, and was looking for any little thing to pin on me.

No, can't be either of those. You were bad in Meat Boy, but that was before Mac's time here I believe. So was Mario; and I was bad there so it can't be that one.

I think maybe you're referring to Talking Heads? You and Mac were both bad in that one, but I hosted, so that's not it either.

I will figure this out.

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Robot's giant catchup post part 1 (pages 1-4)

This site is a lot more heavy on NP interaction with the thread than any other site I've seen. That's kinda neat.

And of course MP is interacting with everyone all the time. You seem a lot more in your element here than d1 of g9.

I wonder what the beef between DH and MP is? It looks to me like a joke.

So, I'm trying to figure out how to read most of the people here. I vaguely remember Tsaiah being a particularly excitable friend, and I feel like I have a reasonable grip on MP's playstyle after g9 (that is, make ALL THE POSTS, (even when scum because I did a little research during that game)), but I don't really know much about how others play, though I have spent time with abyssum on the flight rising mafia discord.

After what point do the beginning-of-game jokes end? In particular, I'm trying to get a read on MacDougall, but maybe they're just too hard because they're A Jokester TM.

I think I like Kylemii. Not sure why. (Apparently MP agrees)

I... am really skeeved by post #89 from MP, except that it's in character? What I specifically don't like is that it positions him as "A Very Useful Person That You Implicitly Should Not Lynch," which idk, is a strategy I employed a bunch as scum on flight rising, but I think that's just How MP Is.

Spoiler: show

So I’m the only player to have experience and/or history with every other player here. I can provide meta and such if necessary. I prefer not to rely on it much though. But feel free to ask me and I will provide opinions on whatever assuming I haven’t already.

oh god that was only page 2. I gotta skim faster

okay phew the beef with MP and DH was just A Joke. Very agree with the Tsaiah love. Tsaiah is purer than snow generated from distilled water.

okay the reason I like kylemmi is because they're also a robot from the future sent to play mafia. high five! o/

@kylemii but actually, my history is that I've been playing mafia across many different sites since 2012, most recently of which was mafiauniverse, but like, I was one of the founding members of flightrising's mafia community, and I play a bunch at my school. I know a bunch of mafia players scattered around the web I think.

whoop tsaiah stole my lightning :<

Spoiler: show

Now tell me about you!

no one's ever asked me this before!

i'm kylemii, and this account is actually run by a forum bot created by long con in 20010 as a programming challenge to create the ultimate mafia playing bot. i am barely able to play mafia, but i do my best.

xD

Robotnerd's gonna like you

I rescind my previous comment on MP7 acting "too valuable to lynch." He actually posted meta thoughts on every player, nullifying that argument. I'm keeping it in this post though because that's how stream of conciousness works.

I'm gonna keep reading forward through the thread immediately but this file is getting too long already.

What about M Plus 7 posting his meta reads nullified your argument about him making himself seem too valuable to lynch?

Forgot to answer this. there's a thing that scum sometimes do of making themselves integral to town, integral to its gameplay, so that if they're lynched, then the game kind of grinds to a halt. Something like withholding meta reads to be queried at any time could seem "good and helpful" but that implies that he needs to continue to be alive. Which means "don't lynch me"

So when he just, gave all the meta reads he could, without needing a sort of query-and-response at all, that came across as a major subversion of the trope, which looks pretty good for MP7.

I don't understand; do you think it's null or town of me overall?

[abyssum]

Why am I the focal point of so many people's attempts to read the game yet everybody is on the fence with it? If you have suspicions of me voice them, if you don't then go look at others and find someone you do. We'll be voting for people soon.

who are you the focal point for? wouldn't define most people's play so far as being Solely Focused On MacDougall; maybe at some point that was true, but i think it's progressed and there are plenty of other topics that people are throwing around

is there somebody particular you're targeting w this, or just a sense you have?

[Tangrowth]

i can do my best to explain tsaiah's meta if REALLY pressed on it, but i haven't played with her as scum in a long while and i'm not particularly good at explaining people's meta "in general." if i give meta, it's usually a very specific point (like discussing off-topic stuff at EOD being more indicative of her scum game), not an overall take on it

it's not a tool i personally heavily utilize, so it would be a bad idea for you to consider tsaiah's play based on my clumsy explanations of her meta.

I really think she'd be less present and more fluffy if she was scum here. What do you think of that?

It also helps that I feel like I can genuinely understand how she's arrived at pretty much every conclusion or question she's posted so far.

[abyssum]

wtf is a linki

[Tangrowth]

Look at Tsaiah asking questions and shit.

TSAIAH IS PURE AS FUCK

I WILL CUT ANYONE THAT KILLS HER

Again the confidence in her purity even though you've never played a full game with her so presumably don't know her that well pings me. I agree she looks like she's genuinely solving but I also think she could be faking it, and I don't share your confidence in her being so pure to that degree, which is why it pings me

we just got out of a game where you saw town!MP7 do this exact thing with me, and we had never even come close to playing a game together--we talked for a couple days pre-game and that's literally it. can you explain what makes the circumstances with tsaiah look different here? what, if anything, makes MP7 look more like he's pocketing or talking to a buddy than him being town?

LOL, this is a good point.

[Tangrowth]

wtf is a linki

Long story. It actually is from BEFORE my time at Lostpedia.

Refers to a guy named Link McCloud; I never got the pleasure of playing with him. Basically in a lot of games he was perpetually behind so he'd make a post but the content of his post would be nullified by posts made in real time while he was making it -- specifically in the context of that post review function we have (I believe all of Lostpedia, The Piano, and RevolutionMafia had that same function, the latter two being mafia-specific sites that were off-shoots of the Lostpedia mafia subcommunity).

Became sort of a joke, sometimes ended up calling it "linkitis" as in a disease.

What it actually means thus is when you can't post because you keep getting caught with the post review function, or you're specifically addressing something that someone else is saying that you saw only because of that post review function.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

wtf is a linki

A chocolate treat we mail out to the 812th poster in every game phase of Syndicate play. It's a lot of fun, but frankly we need to start weighing the costs.

[Tangrowth]

Spoiler: show

Luna is bad, anyone wanna fight me?

Hi Turnip Head, what makes you say that?

Idk k ask me later

I will. I'm trying to decide if you're town, and attempting to scum-hunt, or if you're mafia and trying to stir up interest on an easy townie lynch. The "Idk k ask me later" answer makes me think it's the latter.

linki MP of course

I get a bad vibe from this post. It feels like a bit of a forced read? Like, it's so easy to find what Turnip did as suspicious but gut-wise I just don't see it as suspicious at all because it's so obviously suspicious, yet Luna is sinking her teeth into it a bit here. This combined with her saying I have a commentary vibe to my posts with little opinions, which I disagree with and makes me wonder if her read there is genuine too, makes me suspicious of her.

Well I can see this perspective too.

I’ve led many an ML on Luna so now is the time I throw my hands up in the air lol.

MP7, please explain to me what perspective you were seeing here from alien. there was nothing in here i could really get anything useful out of, so what made sense to you?

Well maybe I was projecting my own doubts of Luna onto what Alien said here, but I took it as Alien trying to say that Luna was hedging her bets and forcing the "if you're mafia" side of it in a fashion that didn't seem genuine. He can correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what I got out of it.

[Tangrowth]

wtf is a linki

Long story. It actually is from BEFORE my time at Lostpedia.

Refers to a guy named Link McCloud; I never got the pleasure of playing with him. Basically in a lot of games he was perpetually behind so he'd make a post but the content of his post would be nullified by posts made in real time while he was making it -- specifically in the context of that post review function we have (I believe all of Lostpedia, The Piano, and RevolutionMafia had that same function, the latter two being mafia-specific sites that were off-shoots of the Lostpedia mafia subcommunity).

Became sort of a joke, sometimes ended up calling it "linkitis" as in a disease.

What it actually means thus is when you can't post because you keep getting caught with the post review function, or you're specifically addressing something that someone else is saying that you saw only because of that post review function.

And "linki" became short for "linkitis".

Forgot that part. Lol.

This probably should have been in OT green.

[RobotNerd277]

Why am I the focal point of so many people's attempts to read the game yet everybody is on the fence with it? If you have suspicions of me voice them, if you don't then go look at others and find someone you do. We'll be voting for people soon.

who are you the focal point for? wouldn't define most people's play so far as being Solely Focused On MacDougall; maybe at some point that was true, but i think it's progressed and there are plenty of other topics that people are throwing around

is there somebody particular you're targeting w this, or just a sense you have?

I think I pointed more of a finger at MacDougall than I did at most people, and the resolution to our interaction was "robot probably is just straight-up wrong and should read the whole gotdamn thread before posting"

ISOing MacDougall is definitely something I plan on doing in the night though.

[Tangrowth]

@abyssum -- ISO
@Infected_alien8_
@JaggedJimmyJay
@RobotNerd277
@Russtifinko

plz also tell me ur history?

I changed my mind on Kyle again. I don’t like this post. Even if he receives thorough responses from each of these people about their “history”, I have my doubts that he’d be likely to apply it to his hunting. It’s a question being asked for the sake of asking a question.

not everything is about hunting, jay. this question has never been about hunting, it's about getting new players into the game and making friends and having a good time, which is why we're all here in the first place.

You're the best, Kyle.

Yes, this is true. Winning the game is obviously the goal, but perhaps a secondary one if all truth is to be told, despite how competitive I am. That truly is the primary goal.

[Kylemii]

not everything is about hunting, jay. this question has never been about hunting, it's about getting new players into the game and making friends and having a good time, which is why we're all here in the first place.

Okay, not only are you a time-traveling robot sent to play mafia, you're a really excellent one who gets the point of playing mafia altogether. You're a treasure!

Am I using the OT tags right?

OT tags are only supposed to be used for things that aren't important and relevant but those things you said are very true and important :/

[abyssum]

i can do my best to explain tsaiah's meta if REALLY pressed on it, but i haven't played with her as scum in a long while and i'm not particularly good at explaining people's meta "in general." if i give meta, it's usually a very specific point (like discussing off-topic stuff at EOD being more indicative of her scum game), not an overall take on it

it's not a tool i personally heavily utilize, so it would be a bad idea for you to consider tsaiah's play based on my clumsy explanations of her meta.

I really think she'd be less present and more fluffy if she was scum here. What do you think of that?

It also helps that I feel like I can genuinely understand how she's arrived at pretty much every conclusion or question she's posted so far.

i think that Tsaiah is likely town here based on what i've seen from her so far (caveat: want to see her words on why i'm becoming townier to her). i don't think she's incapable of faking this presence or fluffiness as scum, especially this early in the game, but i do think it's something that would degrade more as the game went on

unless, of course, you're both scum together, in which case she could probably do this forever

[JaggedJimmyJay]

were you under the impression that my regularly asking people about their past mafia experiences was some kind of scum-hunting tactic? JaggedJimmyJay

I don't really recall seeing that specific question before, though I could be forgetting. I remember you asking vague things like "so, what do you do". I don't know what fun is, so yes my assumption was hunting-relevant.

Have you done anything beyond the realm of fun yet in this game?

[Tangrowth]

Robot, if you want to talk regarding my town read stuff, let me know. Otherwise I feel I've already discussed it plenty with Alien, and my time is better spent elsewhere.

Spoiler: show

@abyssum -- ISO
@Infected_alien8_
@JaggedJimmyJay
@RobotNerd277
@Russtifinko

plz also tell me ur history?

I changed my mind on Kyle again. I don’t like this post. Even if he receives thorough responses from each of these people about their “history”, I have my doubts that he’d be likely to apply it to his hunting. It’s a question being asked for the sake of asking a question.

not everything is about hunting, jay. this question has never been about hunting, it's about getting new players into the game and making friends and having a good time, which is why we're all here in the first place.

Okay, not only are you a time-traveling robot sent to play mafia, you're a really excellent one who gets the point of playing mafia altogether. You're a treasure!

Spoiler: show

Am I using the OT tags right?

HUGS ALL AROUND.

And yes, you absolutely are. They're not mandatory anyway. Just a culture thing. A leftover from Lostpedia days that carried over here as well. Specifically some people started using it as a way to assist others when catching up quickly so that players could completely skip green posts if they wanted to. Lostpedia and similar communities (except for The Piano to an extent because it was the most "hardcore"/competitive of the group but even still) had a TON of off-topic and non-player posting in its games, so that's how this came about in a way.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

One note: given the generally positive vibes I am getting from the most active core of play so far, I am finding the "null" players to be, by default, more suspicious than null. At this point if I have no concrete reason to see someone as a civilian or a mafioso, that's a bad thing.

cool. who would fit the description as of this post?

Marmot, Turnip Head, and Kylemii come to mind. When I think of them as being entities which exist in this game, I cannot generate any meaningful lean without really squeezing. And I think that's a bad thing in a thread which seems to be building toward process of elimination.