DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Tangrowth]

One game thing I will say: I can all bit guarantee there is a mafioso, maybe more than one, who is just dipping their toes in and not butting heads. If I had to pick it’d be Sprit.

Any other names come to mind with this description?

[sprityo]

Im off lads, be back in a couple hours

[Tangrowth]

Okay sprityo is town. He’s town.

[sprityo]

One game thing I will say: I can all bit guarantee there is a mafioso, maybe more than one, who is just dipping their toes in and not butting heads. If I had to pick it’d be Sprit.

Any other names come to mind with this description?

"not butting head" colin are we reading the same thread?

[sprityo]

MP I need some kind of positive reinforcement this game.

can you tell me where im right and wrong about mac please?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Okay sprityo is town. He’s town.

Who isn't?

[ColinIsCool]

Ok I lied lol I barely have any work to do

I think Mac's reads are a good look primarily because they are very similar to my own (in a way he could not have manipulated intentionally). I am less confident than he is in Kyle or Turnip Head, but I understand the reads anyway.

I agree somewhat, and Mac FEELS sincere ... but am I the only one who thinks it’s weird he’s assigning you and MP townreads? I mean, he addresses this in the post even so maybe I’m tinfoiling, but I’m used to a no gods, no masters ethos from Mac, whereas that’s just ... unusual reluctance to poke the bear. Mixing metaphors is cool and fun.

[Tangrowth]

You mean, explain what was going through my mind at the time of that game?

Sure but I need to actually do that when I’m less caffeine-deprived lol.



I promise I’ll get to it. I’m a bit overloaded right now.

No, I mean this game -- your brief attack and retreat against me.

Oh. Well that takes less work.

I don’t really know what else there is to explain though? I laid it all out there. I hated your post because it felt not like something you would say as town at all and totally vague and opportunistic. Then I actually sat there and thought about it as I continued to engage you on it and I can already start realizing “oh...” and then by the time you responded the content of your response obliterated any initial harsh reaction I had to the post.

I still don’t particularly like the post but I was then able to easily see the universe in which you made it as town so I dropped it.

Then your second post really sealed that possible universe for me and I wanted to emphasize that.

[sprityo]

i'd rather not devolve myself into a hate filled gameplay, it's taxing

i want to say my piece about mac and move on as soon as possible

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I still don’t particularly like the post but I was then able to easily see the universe in which you made it as town so I dropped it.

Then your second post really sealed that possible universe for me and I wanted to emphasize that.

This is what I'm not clear on. How did those posts sway you for the better?

[Tangrowth]

MP I need some kind of positive reinforcement this game.

can you tell me where im right and wrong about mac please?

I’m sorry for not giving it to you more expressly.

I’m trying to figure Mac out. I initially really liked his reads list and just him in general yesterday, but now I’m starting to wonder... it seems pretty consensusy. And he isn’t really trying to solve me at all which is really just strange regardless of alignment?

So reading some of your points like the convolution of he Russ read and just seeing that maybe he’s being too consensusy is making me wonder more about him.

Regardless of that I felt that your most recent post when you came in and picked apart the rainbow list was classic town sprityo. I don’t know that you would have been come back into the thread and done that as scum. And the fact that you keep saying you have to go and sticking around bodes well.

[Tangrowth]

Okay sprityo is town. He’s town.

Who isn't?

I don’t know yet. I’m getting there.

[Tangrowth]

Ok I lied lol I barely have any work to do

I think Mac's reads are a good look primarily because they are very similar to my own (in a way he could not have manipulated intentionally). I am less confident than he is in Kyle or Turnip Head, but I understand the reads anyway.

I agree somewhat, and Mac FEELS sincere ... but am I the only one who thinks it’s weird he’s assigning you and MP townreads? I mean, he addresses this in the post even so maybe I’m tinfoiling, but I’m used to a no gods, no masters ethos from Mac, whereas that’s just ... unusual reluctance to poke the bear. Mixing metaphors is cool and fun.

It’s weird regardless of alignment.

[Tangrowth]

i'd rather not devolve myself into a hate filled gameplay, it's taxing

i want to say my piece about mac and move on as soon as possible

Alright let’s talk about something else, but if you need to go then we can do it later. I should probably not stick around here myself lol.

[Tangrowth]

I still don’t particularly like the post but I was then able to easily see the universe in which you made it as town so I dropped it.

Then your second post really sealed that possible universe for me and I wanted to emphasize that.

This is what I'm not clear on. How did those posts sway you for the better?

I already felt like I started to see a universe where you were coming from as town before you even made those and then they helped me jump in your brain a bit more (and point out that my point about you made no sense if you’re scum obviously you would know that you are a deep... I mean mole).

I don’t know how else to explain it sorry.

[Tangrowth]

Dammit guys I’m going to need your help to avoid 15 posts in a row. It’s like speed. If my speed drops below so much I EXPLODE. Let’s not let me post too much in a row. That means I need you all in here and kicking ass.

No one wants to pick up pieces of exploded sock everywhere.

I don’t think I could have a better note to exit again than this, so here we are. BBL.

[sprityo]

i'd rather not devolve myself into a hate filled gameplay, it's taxing

i want to say my piece about mac and move on as soon as possible

Alright let’s talk about something else, but if you need to go then we can do it later. I should probably not stick around here myself lol.

i've got group PT at the gym at 5, then i gotta eat dinner so it's gonna be at least 2-3 hours before im back. then i gotta finish my watching seminar video sometime today at the minimum for class, but ill check back of course

[ColinIsCool]

I think Alien may have been grasping at straws with that slip talk and has now found themselves in the (unenviable) position of defending and debating a suspicion they knew was bunk. On notice.

[ColinIsCool]

I don’t feel comfortable being a third vote on sprityo anymore regardless of not really knowing how to interpret that.

@ColinIsCool

At your earliest convenience I need to hear about your reads.

[VOTE: COLINISCOOL] aubergine

Reminder to self to do this whilst done with catch-up

[ColinIsCool]

*uponst

[ColinIsCool]

One game thing I will say: I can all bit guarantee there is a mafioso, maybe more than one, who is just dipping their toes in and not butting heads. If I had to pick it’d be Sprit.

Any other names come to mind with this description?

Marmot, possibly even TH but he is an enigma, to a lesser extent Luna. I think the new people get a sliiiight pass for hanging back some.

[ColinIsCool]

One game thing I will say: I can all bit guarantee there is a mafioso, maybe more than one, who is just dipping their toes in and not butting heads. If I had to pick it’d be Sprit.

Any other names come to mind with this description?

"not butting head" colin are we reading the same thread?

I didn’t see you do anything in that fashion until yoir posts against Mac which I had not read at that point in time, so for all relevant purposes they had not yet taken place. I’m not sure whether you genuinely think Mac is bad or if you’re just dialing up heat on him because he’s pressing you.

[ColinIsCool]

Goodie two-shoes: Jay, MP, Russ

Unsure, have points in both: Mac, Luna (tone-read), RobotNerd (tone-read)

Null: TH, Kyle, Marmot, Tsaiah and I guess DH. My only experience was in FWWM where DH was much less combative (literally building a coalition on D1 to try to solve/win) but that appears to not be the norm.

Could be bad: abyssum, Alien, Sprit

[Tangrowth]

Thanks Colin.

I have too many town reads. Something is wrong.

[Tangrowth]

Why do people still think sprityo is bad? Maybe I'm an idiot and giving him towncred too easily. Probably am. But still.

I really need to see more from him either way but I can lately much more easily envision a universe where he's a frustrated townie.

[Tangrowth]

I'll move to [mention]Turnip Head[/mention].

I know you prefer to play *super casual* these days on purpose for good reason, but I need you to engage further in this. Show me what you got.

[VOTE: TURNIP HEAD] aubergine

[Tangrowth]

Someone handcuff me *away* from the computer.

Oh wait I need it for work.

I need more self-control.

[ColinIsCool]

Why do people still think sprityo is bad? Maybe I'm an idiot and giving him towncred too easily. Probably am. But still.

I really need to see more from him either way but I can lately much more easily envision a universe where he's a frustrated townie.

Can you requote the points you’ve made/posts you saw to give him towncred? For me, in a world where Mac mostly appears genuine, Sprit doesn’t or can’t.

[Tangrowth]

Why do people still think sprityo is bad? Maybe I'm an idiot and giving him towncred too easily. Probably am. But still.

I really need to see more from him either way but I can lately much more easily envision a universe where he's a frustrated townie.

Can you requote the points you’ve made/posts you saw to give him towncred? For me, in a world where Mac mostly appears genuine, Sprit doesn’t or can’t.

It's stuff that just happened this morning really, so it should be on the past page or so.

I just started to wonder when he came in here all frustrated, but I wasn't willing to earn him townie points for that. Just threw my hands up in the air.

But then he stuck around and picked at Mac's rainbow list this morning. You'll find it very recently. I thought that seemed like town sprityo -- specifically assuming he just pulled up Mac's rainbow list and started critically evaluating it in real time -- I don't know that he could or would do that as scum.

Minor points too for him keep saying "I need to go" and then posting with me.

I've seen scum sprityo get frustrated and just leave the thread for hours at a time. I think the fact that he stuck around a bit longer and wanted to engage me on what he is seeing in Mac re: wrong/right is a good sign.

I also like that he told me bluntly "I need positive reinforcement". maybe I'm a sucker but that read super genuine to me.

[Tangrowth]

This is me:



I DON'T KNOW HOW TO STOP
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO STOP

Seriously, someone fucking yell at me if I come back in here... any time within the next few hours. I'll be back this afternoon at the earliest?

[ColinIsCool]

Does picking apart Mac’s rainbow list look like scumhunting, or an attempt to discredit? Others should weigh in.

[Lunalee]

Oh hey it's day one now!

[ColinIsCool]

This is me:



I DON'T KNOW HOW TO STOP
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO STOP

Seriously, someone fucking yell at me if I come back in here... any time within the next few hours. I'll be back this afternoon at the earliest?

This is me:

[DharmaHelper]

I look forward to hearing what you find, DH.

As for myself, I clearly need to take a break from this game most of tomorrow, so we'll see how long I can accomplish that.

Such a fucking lie.

What's the lie?

Guarantee you post 15 times in a row at least twice tomorrow in a 2 hour period.

Nostradumbass.

[RobotNerd277]

I think my giant catchup posts are proving detrimental to actually catching up so I'm gonna not do that and instead skim the last several pages and hopefully eventually get back to the beginning of the thread and have time to iso colin and mac. I haven't read anything since daystart and I should fix that immediately.

[abyssum]

Spoiler: show

Luna is bad, anyone wanna fight me?

Hi Turnip Head, what makes you say that?

Idk k ask me later

I will. I'm trying to decide if you're town, and attempting to scum-hunt, or if you're mafia and trying to stir up interest on an easy townie lynch. The "Idk k ask me later" answer makes me think it's the latter.

linki MP of course

I get a bad vibe from this post. It feels like a bit of a forced read? Like, it's so easy to find what Turnip did as suspicious but gut-wise I just don't see it as suspicious at all because it's so obviously suspicious, yet Luna is sinking her teeth into it a bit here. This combined with her saying I have a commentary vibe to my posts with little opinions, which I disagree with and makes me wonder if her read there is genuine too, makes me suspicious of her.

what, you think what Turnip Head is doing is too suspicious to even be suspicious? what's your thought process here? why can't Lunalee view this as a legitimate suspicion and comment on it? this almost reads like you're not really suspecting this post but are instead trying to disagree with Luna's read on you without actually just quoting it and saying "no you're wrong."

i should hope you disagree with Luna's less-than-favorable read on you (you know if you have opinions, you know if you've been in commentary mode), but why doesn't THAT read genuine to you? you can't just say that nothing seems genuine without giving any reasons as to why. if you disagree, OK, but lay out why you think that instead of just saying that you're suspicious of Luna. disagreeing with a read doesn't mean that that read came from scum, and not thinking a read is right doesn't mean it's insincere

I think what Turnip head is doing, if he's Mafia, would so obviously make him appear suspicious that I doubt he'd do that on purpose as Mafia, and Luna was implying he was. She can view it as legitimate, I just don't think I buy it, because it feels like a really easy read to make that 9 times out of 10 would not actually be suspicious. It's like going after somebody that seems really obviously low-hanging fruit just because what they're doing is sort of 'scummy' but it's clear they're just new or in their Town meta. Not that that's what's happening here but that's sort of the type of thing I mean.

It doesn't read genuine because it's wrong and I don't understand how they can come to that conclusion if they've been reading my posts because I feel like I've been pretty clear about my opinions and not commenting at all.

point 1: i don't agree. mafia will do plenty of things that look suspicious, because they're mafia. essentially what you're saying here is that you and Lunalee are both viewing an action as suspicious, but you're genuine because you think it wouldn't come from mafia and Lunalee is not genuine because she thinks it could potentially be from mafia. i don't think it's like going after really obvious low-hanging fruit either.

point 2: will wait for Lunalee to comment before i respond to that.

what i'm getting from you rn is that, because you disagree with Lunalee's conclusions (TH could potentially be mafia, alien is in commentary mode), Lunalee is not genuine--her thought process is fake and couldn't come from town.

i can understand more selfish reads. what i don't get the one on the situation with TH. how strong is your townread on Turnip Head, would you say?

[abyssum]

Okay I'm caught up now.

How do I vote?

I'm satisfied with russ' answer about what he meant with the revenge lynch, that makes sense to me now

M Plus 7 said to me that his meta is that as Mafia he struggles to make authentic dogpees and I'm convinced that's what I just saw

Aby seems off to me and I'm not sure why, and I don't understand where the town-reads are coming from for her

Luna hasn't posted since so my read on her is the same

Sort of confused as to what to think about GH so I want to wait for him to actually read the thread before making a judgement, the most compelling thing I can remember is the point I think Jay made about him going for the weakest point in his ISO

Everyone else I don't have anything to say about in my memory

How do I vote by the way?

is this off feeling something that came about when i started questioning you about Lunalee/TH?

i know you mean DH but lol

[abyssum]

Dammit guys I’m going to need your help to avoid 15 posts in a row. It’s like speed. If my speed drops below so much I EXPLODE. Let’s not let me post too much in a row. That means I need you all in here and kicking ass.

No one wants to pick up pieces of exploded sock everywhere.

I don’t think I could have a better note to exit again than this, so here we are. BBL.

it would help if you just stopped doing speed

[abyssum]

the formatting of the way that sprityo is dissecting mac's rainbow list is going to give me a lovely headache this here Wednesday morning

[DharmaHelper]

Can I get some more thoughts on this thing from those who've not already provided them?

sure.

Q: the idea behind pointing out the challenge post from DH to MP7 was just to rule out them being mafia together, right? that's what i'm getting out of it

actual response: it's weird that DH is responding to specific parts of the thread (like MP7's promise of a rainbow list), but then attempting to appear disengaged from the thread as a whole. i can understand only wanting to respond to certain things (e.g., whatever is happening on the most recent page), but he seems to be making a point to tell everybody that he's not around and not involved. it reads a bit self-conscious and like he needs to post something. counterpoint is that it's D0 and he could actually just not care that much, but that'll probably make itself evident one way or the other by the time D1 actually rolls around.

Q again: i don't really see how DH's "i haven't read anything" post is an AtE attempt. who is he trying to appeal to here, exactly? you're saying "in this community," but if if it doesn't apply to somebody who is actually currently in the game, i won't put much/any stock into it.

Doing Ab's ISO. The Bold/underline point I'd like to address:

Jay knows its not an appeal to emotion. He knows that words mean things. He just said a fun mafia buzzword to make his dumb pile of shit smell less like shit.

Anyway back to reading.

[abyssum]

i know you're probably doing mine because i'm first alphabetically but i'm going to pretend it's because you just find me that compelling

[RobotNerd277]

I think my giant catchup posts are proving detrimental to actually catching up so I'm gonna not do that and instead skim the last several pages and hopefully eventually get back to the beginning of the thread and have time to iso colin and mac. I haven't read anything since daystart and I should fix that immediately.

whoops damn my notes file is just turning into another catchup post. I'll try to catch up faster.

Spoiler: show

Also my sister and dad want me cooking with them. I've got maybe 5 minutes until they make me come back.

[ColinIsCool]

[VOTE: SPRIT] aubergine for now

[RobotNerd277]

here have my notes sheet that I decided like halfway through that I would post

Spoiler: show

#1065 - http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 22#p474422
DH keeps commenting on how he hasn't read the thread. This is annoying. I do agree that calling someone a pussy or a coward isn't the same as calling them mafia. That being said, I think JaggedJimmyJay is anything but that.

I'm not liking the JJJ + DH interactions? It reads as both townies, but being really distracting. I'm mostly just annoyed about that, but it doesn't read as scummy from either party.

#1094 - http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 55#p474455

ooooh spirityo has an iso wall of macdougall. Saves me the trouble for now!

Wait, has macdougall not actually posted a bunch of solid argument stuff? I figured it was somewhere in the 7 pages I hadn't read.

I'm not liking this "only person I have a negative read on" bit from spirityo but I'm still not a fan of mac. There's a lot to pick at in this thread. MP's willingness to throw "town" at people, DH's unwillingness to read the thread etc. Anyways, the end of spirityo's post is a bit yelly but he makes a point against Mac that I agree with. I still want to do my own iso because ~bad vibes~

#1104 - http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 7b#p474465

Agree with Kylemii. I hope there's an explanatino for how on eart you get a townread on DH.

pseudo-random-neuron-firing -> where's tsaiah?

#1114 - http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 80#p474480

wonderful, mac responded to spirityo's post. I should also answer those questions when I get around to it, because idk who I believe less tbh, spirityo or mac.

I feel like I should address the "melted like butter on a hot plate" thing but idk what to really say. I intend to take more of a look at Mac later? I probably should have done this last night instead of getting distracted but also whatever the past is in the past.

I... keep skimming over MP's posts. Sorry! I'll probably read what you have to say... eventually!

[RobotNerd277]

[mention]Lunalee[/mention]

I wanna hear more from you! Specifically, how do you feel about the spirityo v Mac thing? This is a good generic question for anyone to answer, but I've got N O T H I N G on Lunalee so I wanna specifically hear what you have to say.

[sprityo]

One game thing I will say: I can all bit guarantee there is a mafioso, maybe more than one, who is just dipping their toes in and not butting heads. If I had to pick it’d be Sprit.

Any other names come to mind with this description?

"not butting head" colin are we reading the same thread?

I didn’t see you do anything in that fashion until yoir posts against Mac which I had not read at that point in time, so for all relevant purposes they had not yet taken place. I’m not sure whether you genuinely think Mac is bad or if you’re just dialing up heat on him because he’s pressing you.

fair enough, i think he's pushing what he would assume is someone he can easily harrass, but with nothing to gain out of it and that in turn means he is bad

[Tangrowth]

I WANT TO SHOOT THIS AIRBNB’S WIFI RIGHT IN THE FACE

[sprityo]

RE: [mention]RobotNerd277[/mention] about my "one negative read."

I haven't sufficiently looked into anyone to make a read other than mac. im not gonna go placing a vote where im not able to defend myself.

[sprityo]

I WANT TO SHOOT THIS AIRBNB’S WIFI RIGHT IN THE FACE

[Tangrowth]

I WANT TO SHOOT THIS AIRBNB’S WIFI RIGHT IN THE FACE

Seriously HOLY FUCK

What happens is like it’s SLOW ASS internet either way but okay that I can handle it’s not that bad

I’ll be like doing work on my laptop for 10 minutes then try to refresh the browser or go to a new page or whatever then

Loading loading loading

*waits for like 5 minutes until it finally loads*

I’ve tried disconnecting and reconnecting to the internet plenty, I’ve tried restarting my computer, you name it

Works just fine on my phone for some reason

If anyone has any suggestions

And this is partly why I’ve been *here* so much yesterday and this morning because while I’m waiting I LOG ON HERE