WWE MAFIA - Day 14

#2101

I'm not a liar. I just voted bird.

#2102

Epig what do you think of K4j's voting so far?

#2103

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Epig what do you think of K4j's voting so far?

Day 1 he voted Eloh. I don't like that, but I understand it.

Day 2 he voted Summer. No opinion.

Day 3 he voted Russtifinko right after me. Not good, but I endorsed it.

Day 4 he voted wrathofgod. Still a good lynch candidate in my opinion.

Let me sum it up this way. If I ever vote for kneel4justice, it will be because I am forced to do that.

#2104

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Epig what do you think of K4j's voting so far?

What do you think of it?

#2105

Hedgeowl wrote:reywaS is the most likely option given that he was also replaced Day 3, by BWT, right as the killing began by Triple H. He also had a total of 5 posts up to that time.

I had honestly forgotten rey was ever in this game. And then I forgot BWT was back in the game. Have we heard much from BWT since he subbed in? The last thing I remember from him, he was dead and accidentally made a post as if he was still playing. And then he replaced in and I have no idea where he went. I don't think his name was even mentioned by anyone until now.

#2106

I'm not sure yet. I just really don't understand how you play yet I guess. I think thats the issue I'm having with you. I didn't understand why you wanted to save MP after saying you weren't sure about him.

#2107

Does anyone have a screen shot of the last poll or have something showing where and when people voted?

#2108

Hedgeowl wrote: Now I am off to eat ice cream and watch more Doctor Who, so I am all caught up for BWT's game next year.

How far along are you?

#2109

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I'm not sure yet. I just really don't understand how you play yet I guess. I think thats the issue I'm having with you. I didn't understand why you wanted to save MP after saying you weren't sure about him.

At the time, MP was able to use my one weakness against me and that was emotion. I really do like MP, he’s the one player I really know outside of my fellow KSITE members, he invited me here and he was very nice and welcoming. When I saw how passionate he was, how much he was participating, and had people telling me that the things I was specifically suspicious of were not necessarily scummy on this site, I let the doubt sink in and wanted to save him. I don’t know if that makes sense to you, but that’s the truth.

#2110

I smell a deflection with Hedge (and Epig) voting for me.

Votes Hedge

#2111

*votes BWT*

#2112

I made it to page 36. I have to stop for today. I'm trying to process everything and i'm only mid-way through. I'll get through the rest of it and post and vote before work, that said - I have to be at work by 4 pm my time (AZ time) and (for those that don't know) I work in a pizza joint, tomorrow is NYE. So yea - early vote will be early.

#2113

Jeez, I wish that the Hedgie voters would actually discuss things before voting.

#2114

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I smell a deflection with Hedge (and Epig) voting for me.

Votes Hedge

I really do not like this vote. I am not sure I trust Hedgie but this vote is way to fast and without real effort.

#2115

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Does anyone have a screen shot of the last poll or have something showing where and when people voted?

Epignosis wrote:Day 1
Day 2
Day 3
Day 4

#2116

You guys are really trying to make it impossible for me to keep up.

Can someone give me a BRIEF summary of the suspicion on both Hedge and BWT?

#2117

Devin the Omniscient wrote: You guys are really trying to make it impossible for me to keep up.

Can someone give me a BRIEF summary of the suspicion on both Hedge and BWT?

Hedgeowl wrote:Hedgeowl's hunt for the SK:

The theory I am operating under is this is someone who was absent or not very active the first two nights. Therefore I started by looking at voting record as an indication of participation.

Missed Day 1: Bass, Dom, FZ, LouLou26, ReywaS, Russtifinko, WOG, and Zany Dex.

Missed Day 2: Dom, FWvidchick, ReywaS, TH, and WOG.

Dom, ReywaS, and WOG are the only 3 who missed both days, but Dom was killed by Triple H instead of Epi and WOG is absent. reywaS is the most likely option given that he was also replaced Day 3, by BWT, right as the killing began by Triple H. He also had a total of 5 posts up to that time.

Since then Triple H has killed FZ, Bullz, and Dom instead of Epi.

I do apologize BWT if this is not the case, but if you were civ before it's not a problem replacing an SK.

Linki so much

This was my case on BWT. I am surprised he didn't address it at all, when he came in and voted me.

Epi has two longer posts about the case on me, to which BwT did a 180 after feeling ok about me it seems.

#2118

Hedgeowl wrote:
Devin the Omniscient wrote: You guys are really trying to make it impossible for me to keep up.

Can someone give me a BRIEF summary of the suspicion on both Hedge and BWT?

Hedgeowl wrote:Hedgeowl's hunt for the SK:

The theory I am operating under is this is someone who was absent or not very active the first two nights. Therefore I started by looking at voting record as an indication of participation.

Missed Day 1: Bass, Dom, FZ, LouLou26, ReywaS, Russtifinko, WOG, and Zany Dex.

Missed Day 2: Dom, FWvidchick, ReywaS, TH, and WOG.

Dom, ReywaS, and WOG are the only 3 who missed both days, but Dom was killed by Triple H instead of Epi and WOG is absent. reywaS is the most likely option given that he was also replaced Day 3, by BWT, right as the killing began by Triple H. He also had a total of 5 posts up to that time.

Since then Triple H has killed FZ, Bullz, and Dom instead of Epi.

I do apologize BWT if this is not the case, but if you were civ before it's not a problem replacing an SK.

Linki so much
This was my case on BWT. I am surprised he didn't address it at all, when he came in and voted me.

Epi has two longer posts about the case on me, to which BwT did a 180 after feeling ok about me it seems.

Thank you, Hedgey! This makes sense to me. To be fair, with regards to bwt's not responding to this, you posted this on this page.
There are probably well over 7 or 8 pages that I need to catch up on, but I can't take the time to do so now. This is the only page I have scrolled through, thus far.

#2119

Also, I haven't read Epi's case against you yet, but I tend to look in the other direction after he coaxed me into a Mongoose lynch. That and he lead the lynch against Russti

#2120

bea wrote:I made it to page 36. I have to stop for today. I'm trying to process everything and i'm only mid-way through. I'll get through the rest of it and post and vote before work, that said - I have to be at work by 4 pm my time (AZ time) and (for those that don't know) I work in a pizza joint, tomorrow is NYE. So yea - early vote will be early.

BEEEAAA!!!!! When did you get here!?

#2121

Honestly, I was just making a vote for the heck of it. For whatever reason, I've been completely unable to mentally absorb anything in this game (or in Shawshank). I feel like everytime I come back to read, I missed either a lynch or a night period ending. I'm not sure what's going on with me, but I just haven't been able to get my mind into this game at all. I'll keep trying, but I would possibly be willing to be replaced because of it. Although if I get lynched today, I guess that solves that problem as well.

#2122

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Honestly, I was just making a vote for the heck of it. For whatever reason, I've been completely unable to mentally absorb anything in this game (or in Shawshank). I feel like everytime I come back to read, I missed either a lynch or a night period ending. I'm not sure what's going on with me, but I just haven't been able to get my mind into this game at all. I'll keep trying, but I would possibly be willing to be replaced because of it. Although if I get lynched today, I guess that solves that problem as well.

You voted Day 1, were killed Night 1, voted host/dead option Day 2, replaced in Day 3 and did miss that lynch, but I wouldn't hold that against you, and then voted Day 4 for Lizzy in your replaced role, after saying you would prefer to vote MR I believe.

I know that you are busy and don't fault you there, but you arent missing lynches in this game that I see.

If you wanted to vote just for the heck of it may I suggest WOG next time instead of a civ working really hard not to get lynched, k thanks!

#2123

Apparently, no one feels compelled to give reasons before they vote. I see Sorsha swept in and voted me too without posting. Maybe she was actually silenced unlike some of my other voters.

#2124

kneel4justice wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:I smell a deflection with Hedge (and Epig) voting for me.

Votes Hedge

I really do not like this vote. I am not sure I trust Hedgie but this vote is way to fast and without real effort.

Absolutely seconded. This whole thing smells very fishy to me, especially after Hedge made a legitimate contribution to the hunt for the SK. Still not sure where my vote's going, but it's not going anywhere yet.

#2125

kneel4justice wrote:
Bass_the_Clever wrote:I'm not sure yet. I just really don't understand how you play yet I guess. I think thats the issue I'm having with you. I didn't understand why you wanted to save MP after saying you weren't sure about him.
At the time, MP was able to use my one weakness against me and that was emotion. I really do like MP, he’s the one player I really know outside of my fellow KSITE members, he invited me here and he was very nice and welcoming. When I saw how passionate he was, how much he was participating, and had people telling me that the things I was specifically suspicious of were not necessarily scummy on this site, I let the doubt sink in and wanted to save him. I don’t know if that makes sense to you, but that’s the truth.

I understand what you are saying.

#2126

I am having trouble posting today. The site is either very slow or will not load at all. It seems to be okay for the time being but last time this happened, it stopped working properly in a few minutes.

#2127

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Also, I haven't read Epi's case against you yet, but I tend to look in the other direction after he coaxed me into a Mongoose lynch. That and he lead the lynch against Russti

Are you blaming your vote on Epi? Yes or No?
I don't think he lead a lynch against Russti. And how is it his fault if people follow? Seems to me they are responsible for their own votes. I am certainly responsible for my own vote against Russti and did not vote because Epi did.

#2128

We were having server issues for a few hours; not sure if they self resolved, or if Alex was able to do something about it from VacationLand [/ot

#2129

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Honestly, I was just making a vote for the heck of it. For whatever reason, I've been completely unable to mentally absorb anything in this game (or in Shawshank). I feel like everytime I come back to read, I missed either a lynch or a night period ending. I'm not sure what's going on with me, but I just haven't been able to get my mind into this game at all. I'll keep trying, but I would possibly be willing to be replaced because of it. Although if I get lynched today, I guess that solves that problem as well.

To me it seems like you died a civvie and came back to play for a different alignment, thus you can't invest yourself into the game. I can't fault you for that, but unfortunately for you, that's how I am feeling.

Thoughts on this anyone?

#2130

IT LIVES. k4j, I don't think you were alone in having problems with the site, I did too. Let us hope the lords of the interwebs keep the site up from here on out, as we've got important work to do today.

It's possible that Hedge is bad, I don't have a full read on her, but I don't think she is the SK. However, after she brought BWT up as a likely suspect, due partially to when he entered the game, I read back on his posts and I'm almost certain he's our guy.

First of all, BWT agreed to come back to the game on December 23, as evidenced in this post:

DFaraday wrote:Also, BWT has agreed to come back, and is replacing reywaS.

These are all of his posts since then. All of them, in their entirety. These quotes are worth reading, as I think the content is revealing.
Dec 26

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't have a lot to go on because I'm still trying to absorb a lot of info, but I'm most likely going to end up voting for MR. Something about him throwing away 2 votes in a row bothers me.

Dec 27

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Well, I don't feel comfortable voting for MP or SVS because I don't feel I have a good handle on it so far this game. And in the interest of not spreading the vote out even more, I'm not going to go with MR. Instead I'll go with Lizzy. She's one of the few players I could see being brazen enough to hint at being the SK and subtly mention it at some point in the thread.

Votes Lizzy

He started the day heading toward an MR vote, but ended up voting Lizzy. Why did he vote Lizzy? Check out the sentence I underlined above.

Dec 29

birdwithteeth11 wrote:RIP Bullz!
WB Mongoose!

Interesting that there was no NK last night. Maybe the Heels were blocked?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote: Thank you to whoever protected me. I do not know how I survived.
Why do you think that you were protected and that Hulk wasn't blocked?
Well, I was including someone blocking Hulk as protecting me even if unintentional.

I could have said, "Thank you to whoever blocked Hulk, protected me, or in any other way prevented my death." However, I thought a simple thank you would be enough.
I'm always a bit wary when people survive a NK and claim to not know how they survived. But I'm willing to give you a pass because I feel you're a civvie anyway.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:John Cena – No matter the odds, Cena always makes a comeback. He will survive the first attempt on his life. (SECRET)

Edge – One of the most underhanded, devious wrestlers of all time. Edge will slip out of the first attempt on his life. He sends in the kill for his team every even night.

Triple H – Triple H is the Cerebral Assassin, and strives to be the best in the world…at any cost. HHH will kill a player every night. He will survive the first lynch and night kill attempt on him. HHH must be the last man standing to win.

Odds are you're one of these three. I don't like those odds for you, no.
Nice observation there! I might have to reassess my feeling on Hedge.

So December 29 was his most prolific day of posting. He starts by acknowledging a lack of a baddie kill. My working theory here is that the baddies may have tried to kill him last night, but he, being HHH, survived the first NK attempt on him. So he brings it up, saying maybe the baddies were blocked. He is diverting suspicion away from his protection being related to his own role. After that, he comments on Hedge, saying he thinks it's suspicious when people claim to not know how they survive NK attempts. But he ultimately says he feels good about Hedge. But in his next post after that he quotes Epi. All these quotes are above. This is really the only thing of import that BWT has commented on all game. right when Hedge is starting to gain momentum as possibly being the SK.

Dec 30

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
kneel4justice wrote: I'm sorry, I don't understand why you're not talking at night? I'd prefer to talk incise it is the last opportunity I have. Now my last post looks rude, because I did not follow your advice, and sorry if it is, it's not intentional. It is just not my style and I am not used to it. I believe if we have the opportunity to talk we should not waste time. I guess I just don't understand. I would feel comfortable answering anything, night or day, as townie.
The bolded is a realization I eventually came to after playing for awhile. I would much rather get all my thoughts and feelings out on the table. That way they can be examined if I end up getting killed that night.

A very strange post by BWT. He says he would much rather get his thoughts out before the end of the night, in case he ends up getting killed. But he has not done that this game. Is it because he doesn't fear being killed? As HHH, he would have a lot of protection from death, and on top of that he is a killing role himself. If a civvie BWT has learned to post his thoughts at night in case he's killed, then I don't think we're seeing civvie BWT this game.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I smell a deflection with Hedge (and Epig) voting for me.

Votes Hedge

And then his Hedge vote. He never commented on any of the points brought against him in between. Hedge called him out as being a good NK suspect based on when he entered the game and he said nothing to this.

Dec 31

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Honestly, I was just making a vote for the heck of it. For whatever reason, I've been completely unable to mentally absorb anything in this game (or in Shawshank). I feel like everytime I come back to read, I missed either a lynch or a night period ending. I'm not sure what's going on with me, but I just haven't been able to get my mind into this game at all. I'll keep trying, but I would possibly be willing to be replaced because of it. Although if I get lynched today, I guess that solves that problem as well.

He says he just voted Hedge "for the heck of it". After it being the only major thing he's commented on all game. Then he says he feels like every time he comes back to read he's missed a lynch of night period ending. But you've only missed one vote I think. I think you're trying to imply here that you missed lynches and nights, meaning you didn't send your PM in. I don't think this is the case. I think you've been following along. I think you just don't have any thoughts because you're an SK with a lot of protection.

This, in tandem with the evidence that Hedge presented us with regarding when HHH started killing and when BWT came back to the game, makes me pretty certain that BWT is the droids we're looking for.

#2131

And I hope you read my post above, Devin. It may look long but it's all clear, concise points by me and it will show you all of BWT's posts in one fell swoop. And it's still shorter than the average MovingPictures novel.

#2132

I appreciate you taking the time to analyze that, TH. I kind of see what you're saying but I am not saying that all of BWT's behavior is suspicious. If I vote, which I think I just may do, I will be voting because of his vote and his last post where he says he is not into the game, because I think that means he's now of a different alignment and is not as motivated. Though as a SK how wouldn't you be motivated? LOL!

I am curious to go back and reread Hedgies case against BWT. I want to know when Hedgie game back/when the SK started killing.

#2133

Hedgeowl wrote: Yeah, that might not have been your fault, but Dom is still dead.

Why are you so upset Dom is dead? I ma just confused lol

#2134

Hedgeowl wrote:Hedgeowl's hunt for the SK:

The theory I am operating under is this is someone who was absent or not very active the first two nights. Therefore I started by looking at voting record as an indication of participation.

Missed Day 1: Bass, Dom, FZ, LouLou26, ReywaS, Russtifinko, WOG, and Zany Dex.

Missed Day 2: Dom, FWvidchick, ReywaS, TH, and WOG.

Dom, ReywaS, and WOG are the only 3 who missed both days, but Dom was killed by Triple H instead of Epi and WOG is absent. reywaS is the most likely option given that he was also replaced Day 3, by BWT, right as the killing began by Triple H. He also had a total of 5 posts up to that time.

Since then Triple H has killed FZ, Bullz, and Dom instead of Epi.

I do apologize BWT if this is not the case, but if you were civ before it's not a problem replacing an SK.

Linki so much

It is not impossible that Jenny/FWvidchick missed Night 1 and Night 2. So you are potentially suspect. You came in Day 3, and the SK started killing Night 3? So kind of the same boat as BWT. But BWT is now acting like a townie IMO, just want to get all the facts out there.

#2135

Ooh twelve mins to new years guys

I'll be here after that.

#2136

kneel4justice wrote:I kind of see what you're saying but I am not saying that all of BWT's behavior is suspicious. If I vote, which I think I just may do, I will be voting because of his vote and his last post where he says he is not into the game, because I think that means he's now of a different alignment and is not as motivated. Though as a SK how wouldn't you be motivated? LOL!

Agreed on all counts. My case on BWT is largely based on events that happened and my interpretation of those events in regards to what BWT has posted. But at least we can agree that he's not acting like a civ. His vote for Hedgie is what sealed the deal for me on voting for him (as you can see, I voted immediately after), and his post after that explaining his behavior felt like a last ditch attempt to go the pity route instead of actually mounting a defense. I think a civ would have fought off some of the accusations, instead of saying "I should be replaced". It's not like he wasn't following along, in fact before his name was brought up, he posted more during this lynch period than any before it. It just happens that all those posts were about the SK.

#2137

Loulou26 wrote:Ooh twelve mins to new years guys I'll be here after that.

Happy New Year Lou

#2138

Yeah, my votes going to go to BWT.

My suspects of SVS and Devin still remain.

#2139

I am however alarmed that Sorsha voted for Hedgie AFTER BWT voted. I saw speculation that she is silenced. In a sense I do understand the idea that a hunt of the SK is deflecting but BWT tried to deflect attention too.

#2140

The site went down right when I was starting my read through. I tries freshing. For hours. I'm already out and don't feel comfortable blind voting. Id die if I voted the person who voted me and I have some concerns about the hedge case that I wasn't abke to reoncile with the site being down all dang day so I shall abstain. I set several hours reserved for mafia today and. It was doomed. I did really try to get on here seeveral times. I'm already singing auld lang syne so happy new year!

#2141

#2142

kneel4justice wrote:
Loulou26 wrote:Ooh twelve mins to new years guys I'll be here after that.
Happy New Year Lou

Happy New Year Kitty!!!

And to everyone else too

#2143

kneel4justice wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:Hedgeowl's hunt for the SK:

The theory I am operating under is this is someone who was absent or not very active the first two nights. Therefore I started by looking at voting record as an indication of participation.

Missed Day 1: Bass, Dom, FZ, LouLou26, ReywaS, Russtifinko, WOG, and Zany Dex.

Missed Day 2: Dom, FWvidchick, ReywaS, TH, and WOG.

Dom, ReywaS, and WOG are the only 3 who missed both days, but Dom was killed by Triple H instead of Epi and WOG is absent. reywaS is the most likely option given that he was also replaced Day 3, by BWT, right as the killing began by Triple H. He also had a total of 5 posts up to that time.

Since then Triple H has killed FZ, Bullz, and Dom instead of Epi.

I do apologize BWT if this is not the case, but if you were civ before it's not a problem replacing an SK.

Linki so much
It is not impossible that Jenny/FWvidchick missed Night 1 and Night 2. So you are potentially suspect. You came in Day 3, and the SK started killing Night 3? So kind of the same boat as BWT. But BWT is now acting like a townie IMO, just want to get all the facts out there.

Yes, you're right and in fact you brought this up in the thread earlier.

kneel4justice wrote:I wonder, did Triple H start killing only when Hedgie came in as a replacement? It's possible Jenny (FWVidChick) did not use her kills, but I wouldn't think she'd do that. Hmmmmmm

This was my response to you out of a longer post:

K4j - I subbed in Night 2, but was announced in thread Day 3 yes. Considering that FWchick/Jenny voted and participated through Day 1 I also doubt she'd miss a PM, especially if the role were an SK. While it is a fun idea and I would love to be an SK someday, today is not that day. I think many of us remember SVS subbing in as SK in Homestar and waiting to kill instead of using her ability right away. She stayed alive a lot longer in that game than anyone would have thought given her role.

I think the weak point in the case against BWT is would he also start killing right when he subbed in? It's possible given I had just subbed in that there was some cover. I can't see why an active player would wait two days and then start killing. I think if the kills are protected or blocked they are still in the night posts yes? Looking at the night posts there is no mention of a Triple H kill either Night 1 or 2.

#2144

kneel4justice wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote: Yeah, that might not have been your fault, but Dom is still dead.
Why are you so upset Dom is dead? I ma just confused lol

This was in response to Epi asking where all my defenders were. Dom had stated he didn't think this was my baddie game after being baddies in LOST (also Supernatural), and then he was killed. So yep, I was sad to see him go, although I wasn't 100% warm and fuzzy on his game being civ.

DFaraday wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote: Now I am off to eat ice cream and watch more Doctor Who, so I am all caught up for BWT's game next year.
How far along are you?

I am up to episode 3 in season 6 the Pirate ship and demon Mermaid one. It's taking me a while, but I also don't want to run out so I keep watching other things to slow it down.

#2145

I went with BWT because he said he not into the game and because between him and hedge I trust hedge because I really think we are seeing her civ game.

#2146

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I went with BWT because he said he not into the game and because between him and hedge I trust hedge because I really think we are seeing her civ game.

Seeing her civ game? What precedent do you have to make that claim?

Also, why are people voting bird? I did it to appease Hedgeowl and make a point.

Now here come the votes.

Tell me Devin. Tell me Hedge.

Who is responsible for this bandwagon?

#2147

Epignosis wrote: Also, why are people voting bird? I did it to appease Hedgeowl and make a point.

Now here come the votes.

Tell me Devin. Tell me Hedge.

Who is responsible for this bandwagon?

Everyone who has voted BWT has given their reasons for doing so. Unlike the Hedge
voters.

#2148

Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote: Also, why are people voting bird? I did it to appease Hedgeowl and make a point.

Now here come the votes.

Tell me Devin. Tell me Hedge.

Who is responsible for this bandwagon?
Everyone who has voted BWT has given their reasons for doing so. Unlike the Hedge
voters.

I am suspect of those who pin down specific roles in a 30 man game.

#2149

Epignosis wrote: I am suspect of those who pin down specific roles in a 30 man game.

Really? I am not I think it is a good strategy. Not something to 100% base things off of, but I think smart players do it.

#2150

I think all this is funny as hell.

Who Is Keeping This Game Going?