DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Lunalee]

I don't feel good about an Infected Alien lynch today. He has been engaging the thread and seems to be trying to learn the tone of this site while attempting to figure out who may be bad. And I don't blame him for it. M Plus 7 , JaggedJimmyJay Russtifinko do you have any suspicions other than Alien?

I do. Add MacDougall to the red pile here and tell me what you think of these red folks.

I'm leaning heavily toward Mac now, but from your list here's my thoughts:
Kylemii - I like his input so far. Don't want to lynch him yet
Infected_alien8 - new person, so I want to let them pass on day 1
Marmot - Is marmot a fan of WIFOM? If he were actually mafia would he joke about night-killing MP? I might be okay with a Marmot lynch
RobotNerd277 - new person, so I want to let them pass on day 1
Turnip Head - based on the case you just laid out about why Mac wants TH lynched, I don't want to lynch him either.
sprityo - If Mac is bad then sprityo is not (in my opinion)

So pending further information, I would support a Mac or Marmot lynch today.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

On the one hand my dudes:

InfectedAlien is bad and despite the Mercy Rule, should be lynched.


On the other hand, my dudes:

InfectedAlien is good, and the mafia are foregoing the Mercy Rule to fuck him out of a game.

Which is it?

Thank goodness for that 50/50 lifeline.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Even without tinfoil, his plan for TH sucks.

[DharmaHelper]

I will joyously hop aboard the Mac Train because if he's actually bad I plan on taking 100% of the credit. Voting Mac

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Marmot - Is marmot a fan of WIFOM? If he were actually mafia would he joke about night-killing MP? I might be okay with a Marmot lynch

Marmot is the world's biggest fan of WIFOM. I award him no credit for this, but nor do I think it's an especially interesting reason to lynch him. Some of his greatest WIFOM hits have come in the form of interacting with his teammates in the thread as opposed to broadcasting a kill or the like. He's capable of it. Meh.

[Kylemii]

gtg to work will respond when i get back, but in the meantime do your recent posts to me really represent your approach to and motivation behind making reads as a civ?

Are you asking if I'm asking these questions as a civ? Because if so, the answer's yes ... because I'm a civ. I'm not sure what in my posts even has the potential to look false, other than perhaps projecting my behavior onto you — I admit it's dangerous, but patterns in play exist for a reason.

no, it's actually the "townier than thou" attitude that i don't trust

the "everyone should be as civ as possible to avoid being lynched day 1 or 2 thing and the "your behavior doesn't give you townie points" thing.

those are things someone says when they're trying to find and justify lynching someone. they are not things someone says while they're trying to find and lynch mafia.

I don't understand a thing you're trying to say here.

I know I am town. I don't know you are town. Am I supposed to assume that you're more town than I am?

Furthermore, I never said "everyone should be as civ as possible," or anything close. And I also don't understand why you feel my line of inquiry is so illegitimate that it means I must have ulterior motives.

Are you focused on finding scum right now, Kyle, or are you just focused on making me look bad?

"townier than thou" as in being all "hey wow you don't think or act this way? i think and act this way but you don't so you must be a bad guy, check out how good I am though, because of the things I do"

colin I am focused on trying to figure out your motivation and determine if you're mafia or not. to me it looks like you're lying about suspecting me because I don't think your behavior lines up with how I think it would if you were legitinately suspecting me of being mafia. It looks fake to me.

Yeah, that's not what I said. In fact, you attacked me earlier for suggesting you were acting similarly to how I act as scum, but this post ("hey wow you don't think or act this way? i think and act this way but you don't so you must be a bad guy, check out how good I am though, because of the things I do") is ... literally the opposite? You're just saying whatever you can to attempt to discredit my questioning of you.

It's U-Pick all over again. My vote is staying right on you today.

"disgusting."

i dislike so much about the way you've chosen to come after me, Colin. giving me a free pass earlier for my birthday even though you said you suspected me for nebulous reasons, now doubling down on it after i said i didn't believe your suspicion was real, accusing me of only suspecting you for the purpose of trying to discredit your suspicion instead of actually responding to it, all the while painting your words with hyperbolic language like "attacking" and "discredit" it's gross. it's manipulative.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Lunalee[/mention], you said earlier that you think the sprityo/Mac kerfuffle looks town/town, and that if one of them is a mafioso you'd bet on sprityo. Now you're willing to call Mac a lynch candidate. Please talk about what changed.

[Turnip Head]

I will joyously hop aboard the Mac Train because if he's actually bad I plan on taking 100% of the credit. Voting Mac

but I'm the live bait, you couldn't have gone fishing without me

[Kylemii]

Can I just emphasize that this is one of the best fucking Day 0/1s ever by the way. I really love you all, and the effort in general so far is pretty awesome to see.

like!

[Tangrowth]

Woah what is going on

I leave for like an hour? LOL

About to go to lunch and I’ll try to catch up on phone when I can

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Woah what is going on

I leave for like an hour? LOL

About to go to lunch and I’ll try to catch up on phone when I can

Let's all vote MP before he gets back.

[Tangrowth]

Fuck yeahhhhh I could lynch Mac

Why didn’t you all just grew with me yesterday

Seriously but yeah let me catch up xD

[Tangrowth]

AGREE with me

Okay I need to drive now I don’t do that drive and mafia shit BBS

[Turnip Head]

bye

[DharmaHelper]

Can I just emphasize that this is one of the best fucking Day 0/1s ever by the way. I really love you all, and the effort in general so far is pretty awesome to see.

like!

Too kind, too kind. I do what I can.

[Tsaiah]

Okay, I slept in two days in a row, which I'm thoroughly akdjskfkj about for the amount of time shortening it's given me

I'm almost at the point of having read the entire thread once, minus the last few newest pages, although out of order, and i'm really not comfortable with only having gotten to close-read a couple of chunks as opposed to quick-reading the rest--hopefully tonight i can get in more close reading and some looking into isos.

The only iso i've read is alien's, along with both of his champs games (during which i fell asleep note to alien, that's not a commentary on them being boring or anything, they weren't! I'm just sleep deprived); i do have some thoughts about that i've been mulling over, but i wanna get back to his responses to me and reread and address those first/concurrently.

tl;dr is i don't have anywhere near as much well-read and thought deeply about as i wanted to by now, don't have the kind of comfortable handle on the game that i'd've liked, and i'm not happy about it :/ (i am loving the game itself and enjoying the players and general feel here so far tho, don't mistake me, i'm just mad at my own time use, and i sure appreciate all the welcomes! This seems like a great place, so far :3)


This seems like as good of a place to jump back in as any:

/kicking Aby even further away from the fence as of page 18 stuffs

/also nudging Robot a bit in that direction as of around there

@Tsaiah

If you don’t get around to it (and again I know you still have a lot to do so this is low priority), can you elaborate on what it was you saw on this page specifically that inspired both of these reactions?

Thank you!

[Mention]M Plus 7[/mention]

Aby - loved Aby's interactions with alien, wrt their questions about alien's take on Lunalee/Turnip Head, and his take on on your read on me wrt the wcs game, and Aby's meta stuffs on me. Those and Aby's other questions around there made me feel like they were getting into the groove of things by that point, and started having that combo of thoughtful takes/gently pulling teeth feels that screams town!Aby to me :3


Robot - i liked the way she tried to jump on in without having read everything, then seemed to realize she wasn't gonna be able to get accurate reads that way, struck me as towny pov; also a good look on the thought process for initial sus on you > take on your big meta post resolving that


and now i'm trying to type with an umbrella jammed in my armpit bc it suddenly started raining, @#$% YOU NATURE

[Lunalee]

Lunalee, you said earlier that you think the sprityo/Mac kerfuffle looks town/town, and that if one of them is a mafioso you'd bet on sprityo. Now you're willing to call Mac a lynch candidate. Please talk about what changed.

I read your stance on Mac pushing for a Turnip Head lynch. It looks convincing, and I had a weak opinion that sprityo was scum to begin with.

[dunya]

About to go to lunch and I’ll try to catch up on phone when I can

no! go and enjoy your lunch with daisy mafia free. i demand it of you!

[DharmaHelper]

Daisy: I have a migraine and I'm real stressed out with the move but thanks for taking me to lunch this is nice.

MP: What? Huh? Sorry, DH Just posted a hilarious joke. I *GOTTA* respond to this with at least four posts in a row. God damn that's funny.

[Kylemii]

“Townier than thou”.

Totally stealing that, thanks Kyle.

thanx

[Tangrowth]

LUNCH TIME BITCHES

[Tangrowth]

Holy fuck this thread is hopping

Hi everyone!!

[DharmaHelper]

Holy fuck this thread is hopping

Hi everyone!!

Bring back the politics thread or I'll NK you.

[Spacedaisy]

Daisy: I have a migraine and I'm real stressed out with the move but thanks for taking me to lunch this is nice.

MP: What? Huh? Sorry, DH Just posted a hilarious joke. I *GOTTA* respond to this with at least four posts in a row. God damn that's funny.

Do you have cameras hidden in our stuff?

[Tangrowth]

Guess I should try to catch up but ehhhhh that might be too difficult here

What’s the TLDR on the switch to Mac

Anyone really but

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

Any posts in particular I should look at?

[Tangrowth]

Daisy: I have a migraine and I'm real stressed out with the move but thanks for taking me to lunch this is nice.

MP: What? Huh? Sorry, DH Just posted a hilarious joke. I *GOTTA* respond to this with at least four posts in a row. God damn that's funny.

Do you have cameras hidden in our stuff?

LMFAO OMG

[DharmaHelper]

Daisy: I have a migraine and I'm real stressed out with the move but thanks for taking me to lunch this is nice.

MP: What? Huh? Sorry, DH Just posted a hilarious joke. I *GOTTA* respond to this with at least four posts in a row. God damn that's funny.

Do you have cameras hidden in our stuff?

I do not have...*a* camera hidden in your stuff. That's legally true.

[Tangrowth]

Hey tsaiah! Thanks for the mention

I’ll read all that in a second

[Lunalee]

I officially [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine because of previous posts.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Guess I should try to catch up but ehhhhh that might be too difficult here

What’s the TLDR on the switch to Mac

Anyone really but

@JaggedJimmyJay

Any posts in particular I should look at?

I described my tinfoily shit in detail here.

The worst of it though independent of tinfoil is his justification for a TH lynch. I don't buy any of the clears he proposes we'd get from that red, or his believe that it'd be a red flip, or that a civilian Mac would engage in this kind of turnaround without saying why TH is suspicious.

[Tsaiah]

And now i get to head to work, and haphazardly get my thoughts in/try to keep up from there!

WHEEEE

[ColinIsCool]

gtg to work will respond when i get back, but in the meantime do your recent posts to me really represent your approach to and motivation behind making reads as a civ?

Are you asking if I'm asking these questions as a civ? Because if so, the answer's yes ... because I'm a civ. I'm not sure what in my posts even has the potential to look false, other than perhaps projecting my behavior onto you — I admit it's dangerous, but patterns in play exist for a reason.

no, it's actually the "townier than thou" attitude that i don't trust

the "everyone should be as civ as possible to avoid being lynched day 1 or 2 thing and the "your behavior doesn't give you townie points" thing.

those are things someone says when they're trying to find and justify lynching someone. they are not things someone says while they're trying to find and lynch mafia.

I don't understand a thing you're trying to say here.

I know I am town. I don't know you are town. Am I supposed to assume that you're more town than I am?

Furthermore, I never said "everyone should be as civ as possible," or anything close. And I also don't understand why you feel my line of inquiry is so illegitimate that it means I must have ulterior motives.

Are you focused on finding scum right now, Kyle, or are you just focused on making me look bad?

"townier than thou" as in being all "hey wow you don't think or act this way? i think and act this way but you don't so you must be a bad guy, check out how good I am though, because of the things I do"

colin I am focused on trying to figure out your motivation and determine if you're mafia or not. to me it looks like you're lying about suspecting me because I don't think your behavior lines up with how I think it would if you were legitinately suspecting me of being mafia. It looks fake to me.

Yeah, that's not what I said. In fact, you attacked me earlier for suggesting you were acting similarly to how I act as scum, but this post ("hey wow you don't think or act this way? i think and act this way but you don't so you must be a bad guy, check out how good I am though, because of the things I do") is ... literally the opposite? You're just saying whatever you can to attempt to discredit my questioning of you.

It's U-Pick all over again. My vote is staying right on you today.

"disgusting."

i dislike so much about the way you've chosen to come after me, Colin. giving me a free pass earlier for my birthday even though you said you suspected me for nebulous reasons, now doubling down on it after i said i didn't believe your suspicion was real, accusing me of only suspecting you for the purpose of trying to discredit your suspicion instead of actually responding to it, all the while painting your words with hyperbolic language like "attacking" and "discredit" it's gross. it's manipulative.

Ok

[Tangrowth]

[mention]Tsaiah[/mention]

Thanks I find both of those takes totally agreeable

Looking forward to your other thoughts

And this is a general comment but yeah everyone is right we do have some pretty active games here but this one is definitely way more active than usual LOL

So hopefully doesn’t scare any of you away because I really love having you here

[Tangrowth]

Guess I should try to catch up but ehhhhh that might be too difficult here

What’s the TLDR on the switch to Mac

Anyone really but

@JaggedJimmyJay

Any posts in particular I should look at?

I described my tinfoily shit in detail here.

The worst of it though independent of tinfoil is his justification for a TH lynch. I don't buy any of the clears he proposes we'd get from that red, or his believe that it'd be a red flip, or that a civilian Mac would engage in this kind of turnaround without saying why TH is suspicious.

Thanks man I’ll take a look at this now

Did you say something about this at the time? I don’t remember

[Tangrowth]

Ahhhhh Jay that takes me to a 404 error what are you trying to do to me

[Kylemii]

I think it's possible Kyle is town, although his argument right now reminds me most of his last-lynch offensive against juliets in U-Pick. It was based on a confirmed-false possibility of her having been recruited that most people didn't pick up on as confirmed false, but Kyle used Olympic-level mental gymnastics to try and get her to look bad ... I feel the same way right now because I truly don't understand what he's accusing me of.

how are those situations even remotely similar?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Did you say something about this at the time? I don’t remember

I didn't say anything specifically about his desire to lynch TH to my memory apart from asking him what information he'd glean from TH flipping civilian.

[Tangrowth]

I have had my own thoughts on Mac’s flip to TH that you can see some of in my giant summary rainbow post and it is one of the scummiest things he’s done I think

[Kylemii]

that makes zero sense. your scum tendencies are not my scum tendencies.

But that's why I said those tendencies are some you may be using.

and questions aren't just a tailored strategy for dampening my civ meta to be achievable as mafia, they're actually a useful tool for understanding shit.

That's true, but their intent is also easily faked. I don't think you would disagree with that.

i also don't care about your townie points, it's not important to be town-read until like day 3.

There aren't lynches on days 1 and 2?

I'm not sure what you want from me Kyle. You've said yourself that your meta is to be deliberately hard-to-read, so if you don't want to be looked upon as a suspect ... don't do that I guess?

I forgot I didn't respond to this post earlier. the issue I take with the points you're making here is that everything you say comes to the conclusion that you don't know how to read me and yet your conclusion is "we should lynch kyle." you didn't provide an actual reason to suspect me anywhere, at any point, other than the questions thing, which you admit knowing is semi-enforced NAI.

this is also the "townier than thou" post. the post where you went "what? not prioritizing being townread? that's unheard of. i would never do that cus im just such a town. your meta doesn't match the norm so i shouldn't be faulted for wanting to lynch you for it"

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Ahhhhh Jay that takes me to a 404 error what are you trying to do to me

Let's try again.

[Tangrowth]

Ahhhhh Jay that takes me to a 404 error what are you trying to do to me

Let's try again.

Yay thank you sir!

[ColinIsCool]

I think it's possible Kyle is town, although his argument right now reminds me most of his last-lynch offensive against juliets in U-Pick. It was based on a confirmed-false possibility of her having been recruited that most people didn't pick up on as confirmed false, but Kyle used Olympic-level mental gymnastics to try and get her to look bad ... I feel the same way right now because I truly don't understand what he's accusing me of.

how are those situations even remotely similar?

I have not said the situations are similar. I have said that the feeling I get while reading your posts is similar. This is not a feeling I noticed in Courage, or other games.

[Tangrowth]

I think your post Jay hits on some of the thoughts I’ve had about Mac this game especially earlier today

Add in the way he treated sprityo when I pissed all over his face yesterday and despite feeling embarrassed about that I have been wondering if I had a good point there still

I can see this for sure and I’m for it

I do need to obviously catch up on some stuff Alien has though based on Luna’s mention of me?

So guess I’ll try to do that now

[Tangrowth]

What the actual fuck btw is going on with Kyle and Colin still

[Tangrowth]

Also just wanted to emphasize [mention]Russtifinko[/mention] be sure to tag me in sir because I’m going to be touch and go until close to EOD

Curious what you’re thinking

[ColinIsCool]

that makes zero sense. your scum tendencies are not my scum tendencies.

But that's why I said those tendencies are some you may be using.

and questions aren't just a tailored strategy for dampening my civ meta to be achievable as mafia, they're actually a useful tool for understanding shit.

That's true, but their intent is also easily faked. I don't think you would disagree with that.

i also don't care about your townie points, it's not important to be town-read until like day 3.

There aren't lynches on days 1 and 2?

I'm not sure what you want from me Kyle. You've said yourself that your meta is to be deliberately hard-to-read, so if you don't want to be looked upon as a suspect ... don't do that I guess?

I forgot I didn't respond to this post earlier. the issue I take with the points you're making here is that everything you say comes to the conclusion that you don't know how to read me and yet your conclusion is "we should lynch kyle." you didn't provide an actual reason to suspect me anywhere, at any point, other than the questions thing, which you admit knowing is semi-enforced NAI.

this is also the "townier than thou" post. the post where you went "what? not prioritizing being townread? that's unheard of. i would never do that cus im just such a town. your meta doesn't match the norm so i shouldn't be faulted for wanting to lynch you for it"

Again ... not true.

I ask a question of Kyle.
Kyle responds and I’m not satisfied with the answer. I continue to follow this lead. I feel how I felt watching you be scum in U-Pick, as you continue to distort my arguments, my position, and the words I’m using. Throw in some no u for good measure and accuse me of the same.

Maybe I’m crazy because nobody else reads this the same way ... but I don’t think so.

[nutella]

Turnip Head, please blowfish on your newest vote.

best/worst new mafia slang 2k18

[ColinIsCool]

What the actual fuck btw is going on with Kyle and Colin still

Good question. I’d like other people to weigh in because I’m not in a position to assess Kyle anymore on it, we’re just going to talk past each other.

[Tangrowth]

What the actual fuck btw is going on with Kyle and Colin still

Good question. I’d like other people to weigh in because I’m not in a position to assess Kyle anymore on it, we’re just going to talk past each other.

I’ll definitely try to take a detailed look later for sure don’t let me forget

[nutella]

good lord y'all makin long ass posts