DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[MacDougall]

In that post I quoted.

I couldn't find the overreaction anywhere in that mild-mannered and level-headed post.

It was the word "pushed".

Hey, sometimes a reaction is an overreaction. Doesn't have to be a significant one.

[abyssum]

live GTH reads are my new favorite thing thank you folks @ the syndicate. my life has been enriched

[Tangrowth]

i'm willing to listen to scumreads on tsaiah, actually

my initial assessment of her is always wary because her tone-faking early on is almost always good as far as i'm concerned. it's the degradation of it that worries me most. it's not something that i would judge her on very heavily at the moment but it's a good thing to keep in mind

...talkin 2 u mp7

Sigh I just can’t even, I don’t even want to think about Tsaiah being scum, and I realize that’s a problem

I’m slowly getting there myself on seriously questioning my town read which is why I keep pinging her with all this stuff

I’m trying to make sure she isn’t a drowning townie but I definitely have increasing doubts

At this moment I don’t have any solid reason to believe she’s anything but town though — everything she has done seems pretty town and understandable for me so I don’t want to let the fact that she’s been busy or something negate that necessarily

I do need in her brain real soon though or her read can drop pretty quickly

[Marmot]

[mention]abyssum[/mention], why do you like them?

[Tangrowth]

Okay brb then I will be at a computer and able to compile the GTH results so don’t worry about doing them

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

[abyssum]

i'm willing to listen to scumreads on tsaiah, actually

my initial assessment of her is always wary because her tone-faking early on is almost always good as far as i'm concerned. it's the degradation of it that worries me most. it's not something that i would judge her on very heavily at the moment but it's a good thing to keep in mind

...talkin 2 u mp7

Sigh I just can’t even, I don’t even want to think about Tsaiah being scum, and I realize that’s a problem

I’m slowly getting there myself on seriously questioning my town read which is why I keep pinging her with all this stuff

I’m trying to make sure she isn’t a drowning townie but I definitely have increasing doubts

At this moment I don’t have any solid reason to believe she’s anything but town though — everything she has done seems pretty town and understandable for me so I don’t want to let the fact that she’s been busy or something negate that necessarily

I do need in her brain real soon though or her read can drop pretty quickly

let me be clear:

anyone who tries to lynch tsaiah at this stage is being either somewhat dumb or very opportunistic

she has a lot of legitimate reasons for posting the way she has been, and her start in the thread was good

but being open-minded is a good thing (and also i want people to tell me about their scumreads so i can see if they're complete horse shit)

[MacDougall]

Okay brb then I will be at a computer and able to compile the GTH results so don’t worry about doing them

@JaggedJimmyJay
@MacDougall

Nah I am doing it.

[abyssum]

abyssum, why do you like them?

they seem like a really good and quick way to force people to nakedly offer their opinions. it's like generating information/forcing potential associatives in a really efficient manner. i'm just enjoying it a lot.

[Tangrowth]

Okay, back.

I am feeling much better about Mac being town now

why?

He just seems really genuine to me again, and that little back and forth we just had felt like town Mac trying to sort me.

[Tangrowth]

live GTH reads are my new favorite thing thank you folks @ the syndicate. my life has been enriched

Aren't they just fucking great? Really great to do too when you feel like you're getting inside your own head or you have too many null reads or whatever.

[Tangrowth]

i'm willing to listen to scumreads on tsaiah, actually

my initial assessment of her is always wary because her tone-faking early on is almost always good as far as i'm concerned. it's the degradation of it that worries me most. it's not something that i would judge her on very heavily at the moment but it's a good thing to keep in mind

...talkin 2 u mp7

Sigh I just can’t even, I don’t even want to think about Tsaiah being scum, and I realize that’s a problem

I’m slowly getting there myself on seriously questioning my town read which is why I keep pinging her with all this stuff

I’m trying to make sure she isn’t a drowning townie but I definitely have increasing doubts

At this moment I don’t have any solid reason to believe she’s anything but town though — everything she has done seems pretty town and understandable for me so I don’t want to let the fact that she’s been busy or something negate that necessarily

I do need in her brain real soon though or her read can drop pretty quickly

let me be clear:

anyone who tries to lynch tsaiah at this stage is being either somewhat dumb or very opportunistic

she has a lot of legitimate reasons for posting the way she has been, and her start in the thread was good

but being open-minded is a good thing (and also i want people to tell me about their scumreads so i can see if they're complete horse shit)

No, I agree totally. She's still 98% town to me right now. I'm just really worried.

[Tangrowth]

Okay brb then I will be at a computer and able to compile the GTH results so don’t worry about doing them

@JaggedJimmyJay
@MacDougall

Nah I am doing it.

Okay cool thanks man!

[abyssum]

live GTH reads are my new favorite thing thank you folks @ the syndicate. my life has been enriched

Aren't they just fucking great? Really great to do too when you feel like you're getting inside your own head or you have too many null reads or whatever.

it reminds me of something i've done in a few games when i can't figure out a situation (especially when trying to draw connections between two players), but much broader and more efficient

i'll stop my enthusing before it gets too...enthusiastic but i like it

[Tangrowth]

Also was listening to this during GTH reads and it felt perfect:



I fucking love this band.

[Tangrowth]

abyssum, why do you like them?

they seem like a really good and quick way to force people to nakedly offer their opinions. it's like generating information/forcing potential associatives in a really efficient manner. i'm just enjoying it a lot.

That's well said.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] has some really interesting statistics regarding it too that hopefully he can share. I don't know how conclusive they are but they're definitely worth consideration.

[Tangrowth]

I'm a bit... perturbed at sprityo voting Alien. Not sure what to do with that.

[Tangrowth]

*collapses on desk*

This posting rate will kill me.

[Tangrowth]

Maybe we should just make Alien and sprityo the wagons after all. I don't even fucking know re: sprityo and I should just give up trying to read him forever.

[MacDougall]

[mention]Marmot[/mention] you didn't GTH Lunalee

[MacDougall]

I'm a bit... perturbed at sprityo voting Alien. Not sure what to do with that.

You don't want to lynch sprityo and think he is town and he is voting your number one guy. What's the problem?

[Tangrowth]

Mac, what do your reads look like now?

Maybe I'll post a new rainbow myself at some point although I don't know how much has changed

[Tangrowth]

I'm a bit... perturbed at sprityo voting Alien. Not sure what to do with that.

You don't want to lynch sprityo and think he is town and he is voting your number one guy. What's the problem?

He's totally doing it for like... sheeping reasons? I just *brain explodes*

[Tangrowth]

I probably need another break. Be back soon though because I'm not missing any EOD stuff.

[MacDougall]

Mac, what do your reads look like now?

Maybe I'll post a new rainbow myself at some point although I don't know how much has changed

Busy doing the chart.

[sprityo]

I'm a bit... perturbed at sprityo voting Alien. Not sure what to do with that.

Pray tell, why?

I just read the ISO Russ did and it’s solid enough. His introductory segment wasn’t really related to the overall content, more so like a presenter catching the audience into listening with a good personal story. I got the general idea of his back and forth self countering color dealio. And it makes sense, but I didn’t but personally find it convincing. What I did find convincing was the statistics he used when showing when alien “buddies” jay. (Another good presenting strategy, I’m studying this rn in school). 23 sounds like a lot but i’d Also like to know what it is in comparison to someone else in the game. I find the “scum asking questions to stay relevant” strategy a very common one at that so it’s a good lead to follow. What really sold me however was the waffling. Particularly the statement of why would you back down on someone who you think slipped? I want to read it again to make sure but from how it was given by russ, there wasn’t a super good reason not to pursue the line of thinking.

[abyssum]

abyssum, why do you like them?

they seem like a really good and quick way to force people to nakedly offer their opinions. it's like generating information/forcing potential associatives in a really efficient manner. i'm just enjoying it a lot.

That's well said.

@JaggedJimmyJay has some really interesting statistics regarding it too that hopefully he can share. I don't know how conclusive they are but they're definitely worth consideration.

aaaaaaa i want them postgame. pretend i'm posting heart emojis. ok i'm done

[sprityo]

“If it were truly a slip, someone would've pointed it out, which is why I keep saying if you don't believe it's a slip, it makes no sense to mention it. Even if you don't, if a slip exists it will be brought up. You were the only person to push this, and you did it in a way designed to give you as littel exposure as possible to blowback no matter the outcome.”

This essentially is the money

[Russtifinko]

Man, I gotta say - the GTH's are very helpful from a reading/catch-up perspective as well.

I liked Marmot's entrance to the thread; I kinda thought he was gonna slink through D1 all quiet-like. It's a good look; keep it up dude!

I haven't heard much from Luna, Robot, Tsaiah, or TH today. The weirdest one of those imo is Robot since she is actually in some danger of being lynched - I guess she's busy/away? Not sure about Luna and Tsaiah, and I've seen posts from TH today but nothing very substantial.

Linki: I appreciate sprit's complimenting of my presentation style. If your vote stays on Alien I'll be happy, but if "Russ made a good case" is the only reason I'll be because bandwagon . You voting Alien almost has to be partially some self-preservation, as well, right? If you had to give a % to self-preservation as a factor in your vote, where would you land approximately?

Linki2: Yay someone follows/agrees with my slip logic!

[Russtifinko]

I am not Mafia for being hair brained Jay. Hair brained logic and whacky strategies are not part of my mafia meta.

Mac has written 'whacky' rather than 'wacky' in this sentence. as you all know, 'whack' is often used colloquially to mean to murder or kill (i.e., "He got whacked by the mob"). this is yet another example of a slip in Mac's posting, and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is mafia.

pack it up boys, this one's a done deal

hahahaha abyssum you need to use sarcastic orange for this kinda stuff, you're gonna get Mac killed!

@Infected_alien8_
Yo Alien

Why is your vote still on me

Alien is nothing if not consistent.

so i've thought for a while and i've decided that i'm doubling down on my Mac townread, potentially strengthening it, and don't want this lynch to go through. i'll figure out what this means for everyone else's alignments later but my points for townreading him stand and a lot of the reasoning for him being scum is tenuous at best IMO. i'm not following the line of logic in "Mac knows [Jay's] civilian meta so let's be wary and lynch him" because it means essentially nothing for his rand either

You're now on Team Mac

Team Mac:

MacDougall (Captain)
abyssum

Who else wants to be on Team Mac?

I demand my credit for this right now! I'm the FOUNDER of Team Mac, and you left me off the roster?? For shame!

Also yeah I mean Marmot can be inactive relatively but when he wants to be he is fucking clutch as fuck and I will hear no arguments to the contrary

I'm the Andy Dalton of mafia. Absolutely not clutch, and I rely on other players playing their brains out to look good.

This makes me so sad because the truth hurts.

A SCUMREAD ON TSAIAH

Jay talk to me later

I'm more shocked by this than the Marmot's hot takes, tbh. Is your suspicion coasting-related, or something more?

[MacDougall]

[MacDougall]

So let's lynch Robotnerd then?

[MacDougall]

Interesting that the consensus appears to be what abyssum's reads were.

[MacDougall]

Oh so now everybody is quiet. Nice.

[MacDougall]

[mention]Russtifinko[/mention] Abyssum is already on Team Mac. Come join us. Apparently somehow I am a consensus town read among a list of players including Jay, MP and sprityo my loudest detractors. How great.

[sprityo]

Man, I gotta say - the GTH's are very helpful from a reading/catch-up perspective as well.

I liked Marmot's entrance to the thread; I kinda thought he was gonna slink through D1 all quiet-like. It's a good look; keep it up dude!

I haven't heard much from Luna, Robot, Tsaiah, or TH today. The weirdest one of those imo is Robot since she is actually in some danger of being lynched - I guess she's busy/away? Not sure about Luna and Tsaiah, and I've seen posts from TH today but nothing very substantial.

Linki: I appreciate sprit's complimenting of my presentation style. If your vote stays on Alien I'll be happy, but if "Russ made a good case" is the only reason I'll be because bandwagon . You voting Alien almost has to be partially some self-preservation, as well, right? If you had to give a % to self-preservation as a factor in your vote, where would you land approximately?

Linki2: Yay someone follows/agrees with my slip logic!

40/60 case vs self pres.

Given the time I would want to see, like I said a comparison on your number of questions against another’s player. Preferably of similar stature/playstyle

[Infected_alien8_]

I'm back o/

Kyle and Colin feel like town vs town

@Infected_alien8_ can you elaborate on this

It just feels like two town because I believe both of them believe the other is scummy but I don't agree with either of them. It reads like two Town misinterpreting each other

[Infected_alien8_]

Can we also talk about Robot? Please? What does everyone think of her?

I thought their 'I'll sheep the wagon' post was a pretty good look for them, though I bear in mind they said that after I called them out on their change in meta

[MacDougall]

[mention]Infected_alien8_[/mention] and [mention]RobotNerd277[/mention] the gun to head has revealed that you two are the most suspicious amongst the group who did it.

Can you please re-affirm your positions and make a read on one another?

[MacDougall]

Can we also talk about Robot? Please? What does everyone think of her?

I thought their 'I'll sheep the wagon' post was a pretty good look for them, though I bear in mind they said that after I called them out on their change in meta

You just did the thing again

[Infected_alien8_]

DharmaHelper good job highlighting random parts of sentences, taking them out of context and using them to push a mislynch of me. I thank you. Feels good. Such town.

[abyssum]

Interesting that the consensus appears to be what abyssum's reads were.

i'm...actually surprised/confused by that. i was the only voter on Robot (MP7 hopped on and off) and i think at least the reads on you and kyle weren't very consensus at the time that they were made, and now you're consensus town & Robot is mafia to everyone.

[Infected_alien8_]

Can we also talk about Robot? Please? What does everyone think of her?

I thought their 'I'll sheep the wagon' post was a pretty good look for them, though I bear in mind they said that after I called them out on their change in meta

You just did the thing again

I know

I'm trying to say it's a good look but instead of +10 points I'd give +5, not saying +5 but -5, if that makes sense

[sprityo]

So let's lynch Robotnerd then?

I mean the results speak for themselves.

[sprityo]

The hangup I have voting robot over alien is that I can’t remember for the life of me a big case made against them

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei's voice is the fucking best.

[abyssum]

actually i want to look at how everyone's progressions on Mac went

[Infected_alien8_]

Jay i'm digging into the past couple pages of your ISO to remind myself who you suspected and like

this may not be a topic for right now, this very second, but there are several things that you accuse Alien of that you don't accuse me of even though they also apply to me. is there are any specific reason for this/did you notice that some things (having only two strong civilian reads, having conditions attached to reads lists, etc.) apply to both of us? and if so, what made you decide that the circumstances were any different?

Town-read aby for this

[Infected_alien8_]

Dear town. I don't care to engage Jay on the subject of my alignment any further. I have tried and he has a meta based argument so there is no point.

If you are reading this it means that I am ded. Plz give my kids to Dunya. Make sure she doesn't feed them to her cats.

I will leave my leather squishy cowboy hat to DrWilgy.

DharmaHelper may have my cadaver to do with what he pleases.

Golden you may have my collection of wire coat hangers.

MP and Daisy you can have the rest of my belongings but only if you promise to fashion projectile weaponry out of all of it.

[abyssum]

Jay i'm digging into the past couple pages of your ISO to remind myself who you suspected and like

this may not be a topic for right now, this very second, but there are several things that you accuse Alien of that you don't accuse me of even though they also apply to me. is there are any specific reason for this/did you notice that some things (having only two strong civilian reads, having conditions attached to reads lists, etc.) apply to both of us? and if so, what made you decide that the circumstances were any different?

Town-read aby for this

(let me know what you think of Jay's response when you get to it, if you will)

[Turnip Head]

MACDOUGALL