DFS Mafia [ENDGAME]

[MacDougall]

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Nice job on the chart, Mac!

*thinks*

MacDougall:
- Can you talk more about the Alien town read?
- Why do you have so many scum reads?
- What is your POE today exactly?

sprityo:
- Talk to me more about Colin.

I need to figure out why exactly I flipped on TH and DH.

Why do players in general have so many scum reads? That's strange to me. I feel like the thread state is way more conducive to finding everyone town. What gives?

Having played scum with Colin, I know he’s a tough nut to crack. Good at contributing while not garnering suspicion. I hadn’t a solid opinion on him, as I had said before the gth started, so my past experience is what made me choose one or the other.

I'm not sure Colin as scum would have the cajones to come into the thread near end of day when he has zero vote pressure on him and just randomly decide to provoke me when I have been in OMGUS mode all game.

[Infected_alien8_]

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Assuming Mafia has a day chat, I want to say that aby and sprit aren't a team. Aby asks him "which of these two options is it, 1 or 2? If it's 1, we'll disagree." Sprit says 2. The part where aby kind of warns him about her disagreeing is something I imagine she'd say in Mafia chat to him rather than out in the open because it could look suspicious (personally I think it's probably not alignment indicative so much as just a style of hunting)

I don't totally understand?

Also I mean I think this is a neat observation but why is this what you are choosing to focus on with less than an hour until EOD?

Whom do you want to lynch Alien? What's your POE?

WHY IS YOUR VOTE STILL ON ME?

I'm catching up, not focusing on it in particular

My vote's still on you because I haven't decide where to change it yet because I'm not caught up

This isn't good enough. What are your reads right now? Surely you have them even if you aren't fully caught up. Whom do you want to lynch right now?

I'm giving you a gun, Alien. Whom do you shoot and why?

Isn't good enough? Why is me catching up not good enough?

My reads right now - luna/mac I'd be happy lynching. You I think I want to get off you for now. Kyle/Colin/Jay/Aby seem Town. Uhhh, no strong feelings about anyone else right now I don't think?

Player salad.

Also this is the part where you manage to justify your self preservation vote on me right?

OH MY GOD IT IS PLAYER SALAD HOLY FUCK

Dammit I haven't used that tell in too long. Game 9 shook my confidence in it a bit.

You asked me for my reads and I gave you names. I'm baffled at what's going on right now lol

[Tangrowth]

I'm taking over for King of Fuck Mountain now in Jay's absence.

Let's kill Alien. I think we've made the best decision that I could come up with. And that's all we could ask for.

(Sorry, Jay, had to.)

[MacDougall]

You gave select reads on random players in randomised groups with very little structure to the post it's a known scum tell.

[Infected_alien8_]

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I don't totally understand?

Also I mean I think this is a neat observation but why is this what you are choosing to focus on with less than an hour until EOD?

Whom do you want to lynch Alien? What's your POE?

WHY IS YOUR VOTE STILL ON ME?

I'm catching up, not focusing on it in particular

My vote's still on you because I haven't decide where to change it yet because I'm not caught up

This isn't good enough. What are your reads right now? Surely you have them even if you aren't fully caught up. Whom do you want to lynch right now?

I'm giving you a gun, Alien. Whom do you shoot and why?

Isn't good enough? Why is me catching up not good enough?

My reads right now - luna/mac I'd be happy lynching. You I think I want to get off you for now. Kyle/Colin/Jay/Aby seem Town. Uhhh, no strong feelings about anyone else right now I don't think?

If this is true, why have you not been spending any time moving your vote off of me, discussing these suspicions/thoughts with anyone else, etc.? Instead you've just been responding to posts.

Because I don't know where to put it, I'm not caught up, I don't feel like I can make that decision yet. I'm happy to discuss things, my comments I expect to have answers to, some of them are questions. I'm not sure why you get the impression I'm not wanting to discuss.

Holy shit man, I get being unsure, trust me (you've seen me play so you know!). But dude.. there have been over 2,500 posts of content. Surely at some point you feel you need to switch over to *VOTING MODE* right? Especially since you're town and might die?

How do you see catching up as a remotely productive use of your time as town?

It's busy work.

How is it busy work? I form reads by reading what people saying. Catching up I'm forming reads. I've decided aby is town, from catching up.

I have no idea what you mean about it being busy work. "What else do you want from me"

I'll go to voting mode at like 15 minutes before deadline probably

[MacDougall]

Hey where are my signature quotes?

[abyssum]

what the hell is player salad

[Lunalee]

I don't like that Mac is still Top 3, or really even that there's a one-vote separation in the top 3 tbh. Lunalee, remind me why you're voting Mac? Who else do you suspect currently?

JJJ presented a convincing case on Mac being scum and trying to get TH lynched. I thought it was convincing, and put my vote on Mac. I don't feel like changing my vote because it looks like Infected_Alien is getting lynched anyways, and I'm willing to bet they flip town.

[Tangrowth]

I'm low key worried about Russ actually being scum right now. Someone either engage me on that or slap me in the face quickly please.

That “how many scum are there?” question sure pinged me hard

Yeah that did seem a bit weird but it could go either way.

[Infected_alien8_]

You gave select reads on random players in randomised groups with very little structure to the post it's a known scum tell.

What? They're not random players they're the ones I have strong feelings about, and they're not random groups they're 'would lynch vs town'

[MacDougall]

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I'm catching up, not focusing on it in particular

My vote's still on you because I haven't decide where to change it yet because I'm not caught up

This isn't good enough. What are your reads right now? Surely you have them even if you aren't fully caught up. Whom do you want to lynch right now?

I'm giving you a gun, Alien. Whom do you shoot and why?

Isn't good enough? Why is me catching up not good enough?

My reads right now - luna/mac I'd be happy lynching. You I think I want to get off you for now. Kyle/Colin/Jay/Aby seem Town. Uhhh, no strong feelings about anyone else right now I don't think?

If this is true, why have you not been spending any time moving your vote off of me, discussing these suspicions/thoughts with anyone else, etc.? Instead you've just been responding to posts.

Because I don't know where to put it, I'm not caught up, I don't feel like I can make that decision yet. I'm happy to discuss things, my comments I expect to have answers to, some of them are questions. I'm not sure why you get the impression I'm not wanting to discuss.

Holy shit man, I get being unsure, trust me (you've seen me play so you know!). But dude.. there have been over 2,500 posts of content. Surely at some point you feel you need to switch over to *VOTING MODE* right? Especially since you're town and might die?

How do you see catching up as a remotely productive use of your time as town?

It's busy work.

How is it busy work? I form reads by reading what people saying. Catching up I'm forming reads. I've decided aby is town, from catching up.

I have no idea what you mean about it being busy work. "What else do you want from me"

I'll go to voting mode at like 15 minutes before deadline probably

Just put your vote on me like you were always planning to please. I'd like to know where I stand so I can fend off the inevitable CFD attempt to lynch me as best I can.

[Tsaiah]

[mention]Infected_alien8_[/mention]

I never got to talk to you about your responses to me--if you're still here, engage me about this super fast please:

I read both of your champs isos, trying to compare them to here. What i came out with was like, some kind of hybrid + new animal, somewhere between the two. You came into game nine with a lot of reads, not this narrow focus you have here. But you also sound less, not appeasy maybe but wantonly agreeable than you did in wcs. You didn't seem this x but y but maybe x in either one that i could tell.

What bothers me the most, in this game so far, is that i keep feeling like your Input slot is connected directly to your Garbage bin, bypassing your Consideration drawer entirely, if that awful analogy makes any sense. Like, people keep shoving their input at you, their povs and sometimes entirely new data you wouldn't know otherwise (like i offered for example), and it feels like it just impacts on the surface?

Like "I see your perspective, i get that, but... " over and over and then it just feels like to me you aren't considering it at all. Like your mind is set where you want it to be, and you aren't gonna budge it. In game 9 i can tell you most certainly have your own mind, but it looked like you were doing more actual thinking about and considering things even when you disagreed. And not setting a bar of some kind of nebulous give me x or i don't buy it. And i don't get that.

Why is your uhhh for lack of a better word and time to think of one, stubbornness so much more in evidence here? And why do the back and forth's i've read (caveat i havent read anything at all since around page 39/40), the interacrions feel like you take so little to nothing away from the other person's input? What's different here, to your mind?

[Tangrowth]

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I'm catching up, not focusing on it in particular

My vote's still on you because I haven't decide where to change it yet because I'm not caught up

This isn't good enough. What are your reads right now? Surely you have them even if you aren't fully caught up. Whom do you want to lynch right now?

I'm giving you a gun, Alien. Whom do you shoot and why?

Isn't good enough? Why is me catching up not good enough?

My reads right now - luna/mac I'd be happy lynching. You I think I want to get off you for now. Kyle/Colin/Jay/Aby seem Town. Uhhh, no strong feelings about anyone else right now I don't think?

If this is true, why have you not been spending any time moving your vote off of me, discussing these suspicions/thoughts with anyone else, etc.? Instead you've just been responding to posts.

Because I don't know where to put it, I'm not caught up, I don't feel like I can make that decision yet. I'm happy to discuss things, my comments I expect to have answers to, some of them are questions. I'm not sure why you get the impression I'm not wanting to discuss.

Holy shit man, I get being unsure, trust me (you've seen me play so you know!). But dude.. there have been over 2,500 posts of content. Surely at some point you feel you need to switch over to *VOTING MODE* right? Especially since you're town and might die?

How do you see catching up as a remotely productive use of your time as town?

It's busy work.

How is it busy work? I form reads by reading what people saying. Catching up I'm forming reads. I've decided aby is town, from catching up.

I have no idea what you mean about it being busy work. "What else do you want from me"

I'll go to voting mode at like 15 minutes before deadline probably

And I thought I had analysis paralysis.

[abyssum]

oh robot and tsaiah showed up one second

[Infected_alien8_]

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This isn't good enough. What are your reads right now? Surely you have them even if you aren't fully caught up. Whom do you want to lynch right now?

I'm giving you a gun, Alien. Whom do you shoot and why?

Isn't good enough? Why is me catching up not good enough?

My reads right now - luna/mac I'd be happy lynching. You I think I want to get off you for now. Kyle/Colin/Jay/Aby seem Town. Uhhh, no strong feelings about anyone else right now I don't think?

If this is true, why have you not been spending any time moving your vote off of me, discussing these suspicions/thoughts with anyone else, etc.? Instead you've just been responding to posts.

Because I don't know where to put it, I'm not caught up, I don't feel like I can make that decision yet. I'm happy to discuss things, my comments I expect to have answers to, some of them are questions. I'm not sure why you get the impression I'm not wanting to discuss.

Holy shit man, I get being unsure, trust me (you've seen me play so you know!). But dude.. there have been over 2,500 posts of content. Surely at some point you feel you need to switch over to *VOTING MODE* right? Especially since you're town and might die?

How do you see catching up as a remotely productive use of your time as town?

It's busy work.

How is it busy work? I form reads by reading what people saying. Catching up I'm forming reads. I've decided aby is town, from catching up.

I have no idea what you mean about it being busy work. "What else do you want from me"

I'll go to voting mode at like 15 minutes before deadline probably

Just put your vote on me like you were always planning to please. I'd like to know where I stand so I can fend off the inevitable CFD attempt to lynch me as best I can.

I'm not sure I want to vote you yet since I still haven't read the case on sprit.
If someone would summarize now though that'd be great

[Kylemii]

Mp7 can u briefly summarize your reasons for confidence in scum alien? I was gonna go through your posts and look but there's 900 of them, and there's only like 20 minute left

@[mention]M Plus 7[/mention]

[MacDougall]

I don't like that Mac is still Top 3, or really even that there's a one-vote separation in the top 3 tbh. Lunalee, remind me why you're voting Mac? Who else do you suspect currently?

JJJ presented a convincing case on Mac being scum and trying to get TH lynched. I thought it was convincing, and put my vote on Mac. I don't feel like changing my vote because it looks like Infected_Alien is getting lynched anyways, and I'm willing to bet they flip town.

Jay himself changed his vote. Jay's case wasn't even convincing it was just Jay being his charismatic team leader self that people can't help but sheep. His case was actually insane. Like literally insane.

This has been the toughest day of Mafia I have faced as a townie that's for sure.

[Tangrowth]

what the hell is player salad

It's a scum tell.

It's when scum talk about anywhere from a few to a handful or so of players in one post saying little blurbs about them when they're completely unrelated reads, essentially.

[abyssum]

being consensus town is so great, it makes it so easy to read everybody in this thread, i love it

[Kylemii]

or just link me a quote or s/t plz?

[ColinIsCool]

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Nice job on the chart, Mac!

*thinks*

MacDougall:
- Can you talk more about the Alien town read?
- Why do you have so many scum reads?
- What is your POE today exactly?

sprityo:
- Talk to me more about Colin.

I need to figure out why exactly I flipped on TH and DH.

Why do players in general have so many scum reads? That's strange to me. I feel like the thread state is way more conducive to finding everyone town. What gives?

Having played scum with Colin, I know he’s a tough nut to crack. Good at contributing while not garnering suspicion. I hadn’t a solid opinion on him, as I had said before the gth started, so my past experience is what made me choose one or the other.

I'm not sure Colin as scum would have the cajones to come into the thread near end of day when he has zero vote pressure on him and just randomly decide to provoke me when I have been in OMGUS mode all game.

[MacDougall]

Lunalee the other people voting for me are memelord trollbot one and two and not even the guy who made the case. Please be rational.

[Tangrowth]

@Infected_alien8_

I never got to talk to you about your responses to me--if you're still here, engage me about this super fast please:

I read both of your champs isos, trying to compare them to here. What i came out with was like, some kind of hybrid + new animal, somewhere between the two. You came into game nine with a lot of reads, not this narrow focus you have here. But you also sound less, not appeasy maybe but wantonly agreeable than you did in wcs. You didn't seem this x but y but maybe x in either one that i could tell.

What bothers me the most, in this game so far, is that i keep feeling like your Input slot is connected directly to your Garbage bin, bypassing your Consideration drawer entirely, if that awful analogy makes any sense. Like, people keep shoving their input at you, their povs and sometimes entirely new data you wouldn't know otherwise (like i offered for example), and it feels like it just impacts on the surface?

Like "I see your perspective, i get that, but... " over and over and then it just feels like to me you aren't considering it at all. Like your mind is set where you want it to be, and you aren't gonna budge it. In game 9 i can tell you most certainly have your own mind, but it looked like you were doing more actual thinking about and considering things even when you disagreed. And not setting a bar of some kind of nebulous give me x or i don't buy it. And i don't get that.

Why is your uhhh for lack of a better word and time to think of one, stubbornness so much more in evidence here? And why do the back and forth's i've read (caveat i havent read anything at all since around page 39/40), the interacrions feel like you take so little to nothing away from the other person's input? What's different here, to your mind?

I really love this post. I would have loved it a lot more if it happened earlier, but yeah. I feel the same way.

[MacDougall]

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Nice job on the chart, Mac!

*thinks*

MacDougall:
- Can you talk more about the Alien town read?
- Why do you have so many scum reads?
- What is your POE today exactly?

sprityo:
- Talk to me more about Colin.

I need to figure out why exactly I flipped on TH and DH.

Why do players in general have so many scum reads? That's strange to me. I feel like the thread state is way more conducive to finding everyone town. What gives?

Having played scum with Colin, I know he’s a tough nut to crack. Good at contributing while not garnering suspicion. I hadn’t a solid opinion on him, as I had said before the gth started, so my past experience is what made me choose one or the other.

I'm not sure Colin as scum would have the cajones to come into the thread near end of day when he has zero vote pressure on him and just randomly decide to provoke me when I have been in OMGUS mode all game.

Colin you are making me very nervous with your vote being totally off wagon on a player nobody is going to vote for and having recently said you want to lynch me. What is going on in your head?

[MacDougall]

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] why do you think Alien will flip town?

[Kylemii]

nevermind found it!!! Don't worky MP7

[abyssum]

Mac my guy what happened that made you jump on alien

when i left off you still thought he was town

[MacDougall]

or just link me a quote or s/t plz?

I like Kyle here. More than the other people who've randomly returned to the thread just before EOD anyway.

[Tangrowth]

[mention]Kylemii[/mention]

Follow that link below and read the paragraph on Alien.

@Tsaiah

Alien is my #1 preferred lynch; Robot is my #2.

Despite my fluctuating reads I don't feel like my reasons on them have changed really from my list about 7 hours ago. Here is the link.

What do you think of Alien and Robot?

[MacDougall]

Mac my guy what happened that made you jump on alien

when i left off you still thought he was town

I would like to not die primarily.

[Tangrowth]

Lunalee the other people voting for me are memelord trollbot one and two and not even the guy who made the case. Please be rational.

[ColinIsCool]

I finally got caught up. I feel gross doing this to a new member, but it’s the best case, imo. The parallels MP has drawn between here and champs shit are too much to ignore.

[VOTE: ALIEN] aubergine

[Tangrowth]

or just link me a quote or s/t plz?

I like Kyle here. More than the other people who've randomly returned to the thread just before EOD anyway.

Agree. Kyle is town.

[Infected_alien8_]

I don't feel as though that's been the case @Tsaiah, other than with M Plus 7, in which case my read isn't based on 'I don't understand why you did this', it's based on 'I don't believe you', and he could explain it away all he wanted, I just wasn't believing him, so I asked him instead to just show me his town feathers to prove his towniness because his explanations weren't doing anything to me

[Tangrowth]

Mac my guy what happened that made you jump on alien

when i left off you still thought he was town

I would like to not die primarily.

You just don't want to give me any credit for influencing you.

[Infected_alien8_]

I finally got caught up. I feel gross doing this to a new member, but it’s the best case, imo. The parallels MP has drawn between here and champs shit are too much to ignore.

[VOTE: ALIEN] aubergine

What parallels are you talking about?

Because if it's the 'you didn't admit you were scummy here but did as town' then that argument holds no weight because that time they were correct, this time they weren't

[MacDougall]

Alien can you please give us a complete list of your reads. It does look like you will be getting lynched here and we will need your legacy.

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee why do you think Alien will flip town?

Gut read says they aren't scum. But I haven't read the past few pages, so there may be something I've missed.

[MacDougall]

Mac my guy what happened that made you jump on alien

when i left off you still thought he was town

I would like to not die primarily.

You just don't want to give me any credit for influencing you.

I switched my vote before I even read your post.

[Tangrowth]

[mention]Infected_alien8_[/mention]

The best thing you can do right now is leave legacy reads and thoughts.

I apologize if I'm wrong about you. Either way it'll be sad to see you go assuming that's what happens. But it's been a pleasure and I look forward to playing many more games with you.

[MacDougall]

@Lunalee why do you think Alien will flip town?

Gut read says they aren't scum. But I haven't read the past few pages, so there may be something I've missed.

And you still gut read me Mafia?

[Tangrowth]

Mac my guy what happened that made you jump on alien

when i left off you still thought he was town

I would like to not die primarily.

You just don't want to give me any credit for influencing you.

I switched my vote before I even read your post.

I'm just messing with you.

[Tsaiah]

@Tsaiah

Alien is my #1 preferred lynch; Robot is my #2.

Despite my fluctuating reads I don't feel like my reasons on them have changed really from my list about 7 hours ago. Here is the link.

What do you think of Alien and Robot?

I was getting pretty concerned about alien when i left off, and reading Robot slight town

I feel like i'm missing a LOT of relevant data now ><

[Infected_alien8_]

I'm gonna stop catching up now because I'm in panic mode now because I feel like I'm being piled on and nothing's going into my brain anymore because of it

Can someone just summarize the arguments of the top wagons for me

[MacDougall]

[mention]RobotNerd277[/mention] [mention]Russtifinko[/mention] [mention]sprityo[/mention]
more thoughts please. We still have 17 minutes.

[MacDougall]

I'm gonna stop catching up now because I'm in panic mode now because I feel like I'm being piled on and nothing's going into my brain anymore because of it

Can someone just summarize the arguments of the top wagons for me

If you are town just give us your reads on every single player first please.

[Tangrowth]

I am going to feel like an ass if this is an ML, but god dammit, you know what, we really have exhausted the fuck out of these Day 0 and Day 1 cycles. Thanks so much for the incredible effort, everyone. It really is appreciated. You all are an absolute pleasure.

As far as Day 1 lynches go, I'm feeling pretty good right now. Here's hoping.

[sprityo]

@RobotNerd277 @Russtifinko @sprityo
more thoughts please. We still have 17 minutes.

Errrrr on?

[ColinIsCool]

I finally got caught up. I feel gross doing this to a new member, but it’s the best case, imo. The parallels MP has drawn between here and champs shit are too much to ignore.

[VOTE: ALIEN] aubergine

What parallels are you talking about?

Because if it's the 'you didn't admit you were scummy here but did as town' then that argument holds no weight because that time they were correct, this time they weren't

About 5000 posts ago MP found a scum quote from you which was basically exactly like what you were saying in here. It’s hard to explain but it’s somewhere in my ISO.

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee why do you think Alien will flip town?

Gut read says they aren't scum. But I haven't read the past few pages, so there may be something I've missed.

Well yeah, I am voting for you.