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Who is Big and Sexy and Failing Tonight?

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abyssum
0
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ColinIsCool
1
6%
DharmaHelper
0
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JaggedJimmyJay
0
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Kylemii
0
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Lunalee
0
No votes
MacDougall
0
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Marmot
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M Plus 7
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Russtifinko
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sprityo
10
59%
Tsaiah
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Turnip Head
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6%
Big Sexy (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:04 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:00 pm Just realizing now anyway you’ve looked at everyone except me, yourself, and Russ by the time you finish aby right?
I'm also missing sprityo and Kyle.
Oh! Noted. I haven’t had a chance to peruse them yet except the Robot one.
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:54 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:52 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:24 pm I have time for one more. Make your requests.
Do me. :feb:

Just kidding, I don’t know. Someone other than the top 4 in my list if possible, otherwise aby is fine.
I'm already doing abyssum.
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

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abyssum wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:10 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:54 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:52 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:24 pm I have time for one more. Make your requests.
Do me. :feb:

Just kidding, I don’t know. Someone other than the top 4 in my list if possible, otherwise aby is fine.
I'm already doing abyssum.
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

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did anyone record the votal order? i need it for my Walking Dead fanfic
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

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plz
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

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kyle i love your fanfic but unfortunately i am stupid
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

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abyssum wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:20 pm kyle i love your fanfic but unfortunately i am stupid
thanks but also why are you stupid
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

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Kylemii wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:22 pm
abyssum wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:20 pm kyle i love your fanfic but unfortunately i am stupid
thanks but also why are you stupid
wow i'm good at completing my thoughts

what do you mean by recording the votal order? does that have to be recorded manually here or smth
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

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the poll doesn't keep the votes in chronological order so i can't tell without digging who voted alien first, i was just hoping to find out who the earliest voters for him were

do you remember what order you voted for alien in, abyssum?
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

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Kylemii wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:27 pm the poll doesn't keep the votes in chronological order so i can't tell without digging who voted alien first, i was just hoping to find out who the earliest voters for him were

do you remember what order you voted for alien in, abyssum?
no, but i think i was 5th on the wagon?
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

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it may have been 6th even
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

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kyle you said early on (when you did your big post) that there was one of my posts in particular that seemed informative

do you remember off the top of your head what that post was?
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

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Interactions of alien and abyssum

Things alien said to/about abyssum

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:39 pm
abyssum wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:06 pm also, hello Alien! good to see you again, hopefully under better circumstances
Hello! Yes hopefully haha, hopefully we can interact more this game too

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abyssum wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:26 pm my not-so-hot early reads: alien, tsaiah, jay likely to be town

alien for that Interesting wall post that i'm not going to respond to until i see MP7 do so. this may have an element of being biased to recent games, since alien was scum in WC1 and he was notably sort of timid. Infected_alien8_ this is your first game here, right? (can't say i agree about the slip, though)

jay for lines of questioning; i like the stankbutt accusation/thread because it tickles my funny bone and also makes some sort of sense. super liable to change but being a fan of my avatar is a bonus anyway

tsaiah is the one of the weaker reads outta these, because she has no problems faking tone as scum, but i like her read on MP7 even though i don't fully agree with it yet. not only do i think MP7 would be excitable as scum or town in this playerlist, i think that his posting comes off as sort of pressured and a lot of the content so far isn't really dealing with This Game, which makes excitability/thoughts/etc easier to fake. TBD
Yeah this is my first game here.

I agree that I think M Plus 7 would be excited regardless of alignment.

What about the slip do you disagree with?

Also, have you had any mindmelds with M Plus 7 yet? I'm assuming not since you haven't said so but just in case?

abyssum's initial perspective of alien was incorrect. Not necessarily a big deal. The second highlighted bit made me laugh a bit. This was very early in the game, and to ask someone whether they've mindmelded already is a question just begging a "no" answer (I know of the abyssum/MP connection from the WC game).

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 2:00 pm
abyssum wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:59 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:56 pm Also despite her reasonable explanation for it, aby's kind of reluctance to have much of an opinion on M Plus 7 is pinging me
i'll have an opinion soon enough ya impatient extraterrestrial
lol

alien expressed this suspicion, and neither of them seemed to take it seriously at all. :shrug2:


They discuss their disagreement over MP at length here. The dialogue is entirely about what MP is doing, and they don't seem to draw immediate reads on each other from it (other than the half-suspicion alien voiced previously).

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:11 pm Can you talk about tsaiah's meta please abyssum ?

"Hey abyssum, here's a post you can make!" Meh.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:25 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:22 pm If there's a deepwolf it's definitely Alien. I'm fine with everyone else.
I have some mild concern that abyssum's content to this point wouldn't pose a terrible challenge for a mafioso to generate, even if a few isolated moments seemed organic.
Which moments do you think seemed organic, could you quote them?

alien prodded me to expand on a gut read that abyssum seemed organic at points. I don't care about this really. If there's a follow-up maybe it'll be more interesting.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:52 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:50 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:25 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:22 pm If there's a deepwolf it's definitely Alien. I'm fine with everyone else.
I have some mild concern that abyssum's content to this point wouldn't pose a terrible challenge for a mafioso to generate, even if a few isolated moments seemed organic.
Which moments do you think seemed organic, could you quote them?
Many of the posts abyssum made on this page rubbed me the right way, at the level of a gut read. They seemed to be going with the flow and inserting commentary as desired in a way that looked good to me. It's a small point, but it's something.
Alright. I don't agree for what it's worth, but thanks

Okay, there is a follow-up. It's still nothing. Okay. At the least alien said "I don't agree", which should imply he was voicing suspicion of (or the absence of trust for) abyssum on the specific points I raised. It's barely a stance.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:01 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:53 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:52 pm Alright. I don't agree for what it's worth, but thanks
Are you saying you view abyssum as a suspect?
No, I just don't share your gut feeling of those posts being Townie, I'd say she's fairly neutral right now, her reluctance to give me an opinion with M Plus 7 pinged me but I'm waiting on more content to make a decision about her

Also I'm struggling to find when he flipped on me sorry, I'm still looking though

I don't much care for alien's hesitance to move on this psuedo-suspicion he keeps voicing for abyssum. That sort of thing is distancing-compatible.

They discuss another disagreement, this time regarding Luna and her handling of TH. I'd like this more if I could find a read in it. I see questions that seem to angle in the direction of suspicion, but it isn't actually stated.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:19 am Aby seems off to me and I'm not sure why, and I don't understand where the town-reads are coming from for her

alien isn't sure why abyssum seems off, and he also doesn't understand why they are getting town reads. Those two things don't fit together. It's awkward. I don't know that it means anything re: abyssum though.

The theme seems to be that alien wants to suspect abyssum but cannot find the words to make it happen. That'd be nice for abyssum. If you want to make up shit about your teammate, it shouldn't be this difficult.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:26 pm Also aby I had a follow-up explanation of what I meant about the easy read thing, but it seems like you understand it now anyway, but basically a as a quick summary for anyone else, since it's so glaringly suspicious, Mafia making that post as a genuine attempt to achieve their objective is a stretch for me, and I think at best it would be a mafia trying to WIFOM to get people like me to say 'why would they do that as Mafia though' and how that's possible but there's nothing to say it was that vs him just doing it as a Townie who didn't care about how they came across, which is why I think it's a null post overall, and I think it's pretty likely that Luna is trying to force reads on things like this and suggesting it was the Mafia genuinely trying to achieve their objective with posts like that because she's struggling to make actual reads as a Mafia member

I'm having a hell of a time figuring out what alien is talking about here. He addressed the post to abyssum though. So okay.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:53 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:47 pm Alien, what are your reads right now? Are you still TKing me?
Yes :p

You and Luna are my top suspects as of right now
Aby feels off but I still feel like I need to see more from her
Waiting on robot's response to my question but her meta seems a bit different at least though I'm not sure whether that's significant for her
I don't understand Russ' argument on me because it feels like he's ignoring what I initially said but I'm not sure if I think it seems agendary or not but I'm waiting to watch him some more
Tsiah and Jay are still my town-reads
Everyone else is fairly neutral I think

Same vague half-suspicion continues.

Alien's large reads list came in direct response to abyssum's large reads list. The most interesting material to emerge relevant to this review are:

1. alien began to express some doubt in his anti-MP convinctions because of points made by abyssum.
2. alien's read on abyssum was positive, with another bad waffle to prevent them from elevating to the Tsaiah/JJJ tier.

I think this whole thing looks vaguely teammate-compatible, but it doesn't scream at me as a red flag. It's a lot of stuff that exists, and the fact that it's abyssum and alien seems more incidental than critical. The dialogue extended here. I don't care for the waffle read though.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:48 pm
abyssum wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:09 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:00 pm
Kylemii wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:43 am colin...... are those really things that you believe?
This also pings me because it's like asking a question for the sake of it. I don't understand what answer he'd get from that that would be useful.
i think there are pretty obvious reasons why you would ask something like this.
What reasons?

This is a decent little look for abyssum. alien's "ping" was silly, and aby didn't screw around in their effort to say as much. alien tried to explain it away.

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Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:59 pm
abyssum wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:04 pm Jay i'm digging into the past couple pages of your ISO to remind myself who you suspected and like

this may not be a topic for right now, this very second, but there are several things that you accuse Alien of that you don't accuse me of even though they also apply to me. is there are any specific reason for this/did you notice that some things (having only two strong civilian reads, having conditions attached to reads lists, etc.) apply to both of us? and if so, what made you decide that the circumstances were any different?
Town-read aby for this

alien might have seen a glimmer of hope here that an ally could be had as abyssum shifted her interrogative eyes in my direction. That'd be nice for them.

Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:35 pm Assuming Mafia has a day chat, I want to say that aby and sprit aren't a team. Aby asks him "which of these two options is it, 1 or 2? If it's 1, we'll disagree." Sprit says 2. The part where aby kind of warns him about her disagreeing is something I imagine she'd say in Mafia chat to him rather than out in the open because it could look suspicious (personally I think it's probably not alignment indicative so much as just a style of hunting)

I think this is decent for both aby and sprityo. alien gains little by severing potential team dynamics when one of his teammates is actually included. Those false links are important.

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abyssum wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:20 pm
Infected_alien8_ wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:19 pm One day I will be town with you aby, I promise
the weakest of WIFOMs

sorry about your rand dude

aby is right that this thing is WIFOM, and yet I am still tempted to award civilian credit. That almost looks slippy to me. :grin:

I'll resist and forget about it.

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Things abyssum said to/about alien not already covered

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abyssum wrote: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:22 pm also MP7 plz let's both shut up about alien's Lunalee comments til he weighs in on them himself

i know i asked you, just from this point onward

It's good that abyssum practices what they preach with regard to blabbing too much before a player answers for him or herself. aby's made it clear though that this is a part of her conceptualization of the game of Mafia, so I am forced to award only three points instead of ten.

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abyssum wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:57 pm Infected_alien8_ - ok, so i'm assigning alien the color i chose for "slight scum," but it's mostly because i'm being pulled in a few different directions with him and i don't wanna slap the neutral color down on him bc he's done scummy+towny stuff (not just Nothing). i could see him as either town or scum as of right now, and i'm worried that i'm having some difficulty reading him because of how recently we played together where he was scum, but whatever. he's absolutely the towniest of the 'slight scum' and could probably do with his own color or tier, but eh.

i've already stated that i think alien's entrance to thread is towny. it's a lot more solid and less hedge-y than Alien was in wildcards (where he was scum), and even though i disagree with his points on MP7, i can sort of understand where it's coming from: Alien played two games with a town MP7, and the last game Alien was scum while MP7 was town; if Alien is town in this game, then his last experience of MP7 was seeing him post in a very town-like manner (because Alien knows he is town), and now he can't see his posts at the same level of towniness because he doesn't have that confirmation. i have zero difficulty seeing that post/its proximal follow-up as coming from town.

where i'm not following is where he does things like accuse Lunalee of not being genuine before he ever tries to engage her on where he thinks she's wrong. he says that she is wrong about him being in commentary mode/not having opinions: fine. he says that her thoughts about not only him, but about Turnip Head, are not genuine and make her scummy: not fine. it doesn't feel like he's trying to solve there, it feels like he's trying to shade.

points in favor: seems to be posting more loosely now than in wildcards, seems to want follow-up on his thoughts, invites thread to participate in his thoughts, tone might be good? (i have decent vibes off of his posts but i'm not sure if this is tone or just me being stupid)
points against: strayed a bit more toward overexplaining as the game has gone on, seems laser-focused on MP7 without a lot of willingness to reassess (it feels like every few pages that MP7 posts, Alien pops up to say it's scummy without considering town possibilities), suspicion on Lunalee seems odd, has an "off" feeling about me that he can't seem to get a grasp on even when i engage him about it.

The bit I highlighted in yellow is so refreshing to see from a player that hasn't already heard me shout and moan about it over and over. Whenever possible, don't rely on neutral reads. Don't do yellow in your rainbow. Never ever.

I appreciate that abyssum's specific suspicions of alien are uniquely her own. alien took a lot of crap from a lot of people on Days 0 and 1, but I don't think anyone else focused on the matter of TH and Lunalee quite like aby did, for example.

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abyssum wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:45 pm COLINISCOOL
INFECTED_ALIEN8
town
mafia

aby earns brownie points for being eager to participate in the live GTH exercise, and also for tagging the mafioso with the mafia sticker. It's not a huge thing, but I like it a bit.

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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 1]

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Chapter 1: Into the Abyss(um)
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Rick pulled a laminated list "here's my laminated list of all the people who might have been infected, all the people who we've been playing baseball or maybe other sports with, but probably mostly baseball(?). the first on the list is one of the new people..... Abyssum. what can you tell me about abyssum?"

"well... there's a little bit of.... hmmm..... infected questions a person early on mentioning they townread abyssum asking them to explain why and then disagreeing with them, there's a lot of dialogue here between them, like a LOT a lot, and none of it really seems non organic, and as far as i can tell abyssum was one of the first to accuse Alien in the first place. Abyssum was already one of my top town reads, i don't think there's any reason to start suspecting her yet, and as far i can tell, nothing about the results of this lynch has changed that, if anything it's been strengthened"

"alright so this is going to be a pretty short chapter then? abyssum probably isn't infected?" asked Rick

"yeah i don't think so" replied Kyle

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abyssum wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:32 pm kyle you said early on (when you did your big post) that there was one of my posts in particular that seemed informative

do you remember off the top of your head what that post was?
it was this one:
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abyssum wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:57 pm some reads/impressions on the game so far:

ColinIsCool - encouraged people to give extra meta for specifically scum play, which is a +1 in my opinion. the post itself is pretty open-ended and inclusive, which i think indicates more town behavior (attempting to assess a wide range of people in the game + generate content about those players). i feel conflicted about him spelling out that he isn't willing to vote for new players on exactly D1; i think it's a good policy that avoids some of the easier mislynches of the game, but the need to spell it out more than once is so-so. liked his progression on alien.

he's done a couple things that i'm not a fan of: he asks the thread-at-large if sprityo picking apart Mac's reads list was hunting or discrediting without offering his own opinion til prompted, but i'm holding off on really evaluating him on that point since it's the dead end of his ISO.

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DharmaHelper - will not stop talking about the fact that he hasn't read the game, which got annoying about the third time he mentioned it. unfortunately, not reading the game isn't technically AI. he started my ISO but i think he dropped it because i haven't seen anything else. he makes me laugh but unfortunately that isn't AI either. idk call me when he starts playing the game for real and i'll reassess.

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Infected_alien8_ - ok, so i'm assigning alien the color i chose for "slight scum," but it's mostly because i'm being pulled in a few different directions with him and i don't wanna slap the neutral color down on him bc he's done scummy+towny stuff (not just Nothing). i could see him as either town or scum as of right now, and i'm worried that i'm having some difficulty reading him because of how recently we played together where he was scum, but whatever. he's absolutely the towniest of the 'slight scum' and could probably do with his own color or tier, but eh.

i've already stated that i think alien's entrance to thread is towny. it's a lot more solid and less hedge-y than Alien was in wildcards (where he was scum), and even though i disagree with his points on MP7, i can sort of understand where it's coming from: Alien played two games with a town MP7, and the last game Alien was scum while MP7 was town; if Alien is town in this game, then his last experience of MP7 was seeing him post in a very town-like manner (because Alien knows he is town), and now he can't see his posts at the same level of towniness because he doesn't have that confirmation. i have zero difficulty seeing that post/its proximal follow-up as coming from town.

where i'm not following is where he does things like accuse Lunalee of not being genuine before he ever tries to engage her on where he thinks she's wrong. he says that she is wrong about him being in commentary mode/not having opinions: fine. he says that her thoughts about not only him, but about Turnip Head, are not genuine and make her scummy: not fine. it doesn't feel like he's trying to solve there, it feels like he's trying to shade.

points in favor: seems to be posting more loosely now than in wildcards, seems to want follow-up on his thoughts, invites thread to participate in his thoughts, tone might be good? (i have decent vibes off of his posts but i'm not sure if this is tone or just me being stupid)
points against: strayed a bit more toward overexplaining as the game has gone on, seems laser-focused on MP7 without a lot of willingness to reassess (it feels like every few pages that MP7 posts, Alien pops up to say it's scummy without considering town possibilities), suspicion on Lunalee seems odd, has an "off" feeling about me that he can't seem to get a grasp on even when i engage him about it.

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JaggedJimmyJay - i had a townread form on Jay somewhat early, which is sometimes a bit worrisome for me but i think is probably fine here. he came out of his cage giving opinions on everything, which i like a lot. he seems like he's in Takes Everything Seriously mod & also seems to be encouraging content on a similar level to MP7, but not in the same places (if it was in the same places, i'd feel like Jay might be just following MP7 around and echoing him or vice versa, so that's a bonus). i liked that he suspected me at first and later gave some sensible light aby-could-be-town reasoning; his posting on MP7 has been pretty solid as well.

there are some things i really love in the way he posts, too. like letting people respond to things before responding to them himself/giving his own take, even though he clearly has one--it's a minor thing but i think it reflects a townie's mindset pretty well and also indicates valuing process over appearance IMO. maybe it's a little too minor, but it's something that i really like seeing.

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Kylemii - seems to be posting in a lighthearted way that could probably easily veer into detached, but i don't think it has yet. he posted asking people about their histories, and when Jay responded saying that he thought it reflected poorly on kyle, kyle turned that on its head with a question that i liked. generally a good look. he called me soft good which is better than normal good because it's softer and therefore better fight me. (actual impression: i think his reads list makes sense and doesn't feel like he's padding it or unnecessarily shading anyone).

overall doesn't feel like he's feeling a lot of pressure in particular, but is keeping up and doing his thing anyway. he's not posting in a high-volume/wordcount way but there's thoughts there that i don't have to fight for.

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Lunalee - her first notable post is a reads list that i like the formatting of (i'm a sucker for things that jump out at my face, ok?) and is in reverse alphabetical order, which is fun. there are some sort of empty reads there, though idk if i can fault her for it considering it was D0 and she didn't seem to indicate reading the entire thread. her interaction with Robot on sprityo/Mac is kind of weird; i think it's a worse look for Robot than it is for Luna (obviously it could be bad for both of them). i think her take on it is a little bit too summary-like, but has an interesting take on it that i like (and iirc is not actually in line with the thread consensus).

she doesn't seem to have any issues with her opinions and doesn't seem interested in changing them without a good reason to do so (can be seen pretty easily in alien engaging her on sprityo). she has a couple of things that are a little immediately off-putting to me (like saying "you should trust me, I have been nothing but my usual town self this game" to MP7), but i've seen similar things from MP7, so it may be a cultural difference...? would appreciate somebody who's used to this forum weighing in on that.

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MacDougall - a bit aggressive at times/in directions that i don't always fully understand. a lot of his posts seem like he's just reacting to things that happen in the thread (especially-to-almost-exclusively the ones that pertain to him) instead of producing much of his own content, but it's early so that may be a shit take. i don't like him admitting to trying to adhere to his town meta; i don't intimately know his play history so the context may change that, but i kind of just want to automatically lynch people who make admissions like this.

i like him telling Jay to go back to suspecting him. it's funny and probably comes from town more often than not. i liked his conduct with MP7 post-mutual outburst, too. i'm leaning on the side of him being town that plays in a self-centered way (i really don't know how to word this in a way that doesn't sound rude; i think it's a legitimate way to play for a lot of people) and expresses frustration easily.

some more points in favor: i like him appearing to engage people genuinely once he's calmed down a bit (appears to do this without calling somebody town/giving credit to them, but engages them anyway). if his statements about viewing meticulousness being a mafia trait are accurate (anyone w/ experience with Mac that wants to weigh in on that?), i don't think his posting matches up to that.

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Marmot - i was frankly surprised Marmot had even 8 posts, so i guess my memory sucks.

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M Plus 7 - i am not ISOing MP7 as a whole. bite me. i like his enthusiasm and his eagerness to both post and get other people to post alongside of him (the latter in particular, more strongly than the first point). more recently i like the way he pounced on Mac but then backed off and apologized for his behavior in a way that seemed sorta sheepish (in the sense of "i jumped the gun" not "oops Mac has teeth" since he'd know the latter).

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RobotNerd277 - Robot seems to be in perpetual catch-up mode so far, which isn't AI, but is a good mode to be in if you want to avoid potential scumslips. says they're trying to get a read particularly on Mac, but i'm not certain as to why; they then ping Mac to ask for a reason to not be at the bottom of their reads list. their worry with MP7 and subsequent clearing-up of that worry is an interesting progression, but i'm not sure if i think it's town or not. like i mentioned briefly in Lunalee's section, Robot leveling a question about sprityo/Mac to Lunalee is weird and almost like they're expecting to be questioned on why they're asking Luna specifically. i might feel better once Robot real-times some more.

some points in their favor: says that strong townreads are good to have early on as long as you reevaluate (caveat: robot/tsaiah could be partners, but their other interactions don't make this the likeliest in my brain). read on Jay seems good and not necessarily conventional (gives a point about liking Jay's read on me specifically; Robot doesn't have a strong townread on me so it's likely not buddying, and w/ Jay being consensus town, they didn't have to give a reason that specific). rather minor points in the long run but i want to keep them in mind.

this read is really one more about conflicting pieces of evidence than anything, and me wanting to keep my eyeballs on Robot because of it. has Robot played here before or something?

they posted this while i was ISOing Russ and i hate it:
Wait why the sudden flip onto Kylemii? I'm willing to join the wagon, but I just don't understand why.
if you don't understand why the wagon is happening, why are you willing to join it?

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Russtifinko - kinda started off with a decent and reasonable analysis of Mac and alien re: the scumslip situation. i like his interactions overall with alien, actually; Russ comes off like he's grilling him, but the logic isn't thin there. him questioning Colin on why he's high up in the reads list is a good look, and he again comes in with reasonable words with Mac and MP7-this-time. seems self-assured and willing to follow his own thoughts and he just seems really nice!

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sprityo - i hate, hate, hate the way that the Mac ISO is formatted. it's hard to read. that's not AI, i just wanted to complain about it.

what i'm getting from reading sprityo's ISO is that it's largely reactionary, which by default makes him hard to read for me. he said that Mac is attempting to distance from Jay, at the same time that Mac is giving Jay a townread--does 'distancing' mean something different in this forum than in mine? because to me, distancing implies that two scumbuddies are attempting to appear like they don't have knowledge of each other's alignment or are putting light suspicion on one another to seem like they aren't teamed. sprityo went into that ISO with the express purpose of dismantling Mac's arguments, regardless of alignment.

points in favor: good ISO of Jay, seems to be going all-out w/ Mac, sprit/Mac are an unlikely team*
points against: quickly dismissive of Mac's posting, apparent bias in assessing Mac (probably 65/35 on this coming from scum though), has two very consensus townreads (and no other townreads)

*this doesn't really matter for D1, it only matters for potential reference later on

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Tsaiah - she's posting pretty easy-breezy this game, and seems to be evaluating and poking in the places that i'd expect her to evaluate/poke. while i like that she was able to give reasoning for me 'getting townier' and the progression makes sense to me, that's only moderate confidence for me on her being town. i think for the most part, the safest way for me to go with Tsaiah is just to gaze at her warily for most of D1 and pick apart what she says and see if any of it rings false/distracting. atm she's following the flow of the thread well and seems authentic and like she's enjoying herself.

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Turnip Head - first really game-relevant post is just asking if Colin is bad without offering any of his own opinions. does the same thing later on with Lunalee. he's clearly been around and has said almost nothing that could be construed as solving or trying to progress the game forward. i don't really care if it's "too suspicious to be suspicious" or whatever logic is supposed to apply here, he's just not really moving the thread forward or showing off his shiny thoughts and i don't like it.

this is a sad read for me to have to make because i really like TH's name.

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wait no, that was a different time, i don't remember what post the big post was talking about
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I'm off for now, and will likely not be back before the night is over. If I end up dead, use my analyses as my legacy. Robot is my top suspect. DharmaHelper looks shitty again too. Talk everything over thoroughly, find the civilians amongst one another, and never let this thread fall into a state of complacency or inactivity. I will be watching from heaven, and if that happens I will absolutely scold each and everyone one of you, and you will feel so small and so bad.

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What's up my scrotums?
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Russtifinko wrote: Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:17 pm #freeMac #justMacthings
Team Mac

MacDougall (QB)
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Looking for some more offensive linemen.
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Kylemii wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:27 pm the poll doesn't keep the votes in chronological order so i can't tell without digging who voted alien first, i was just hoping to find out who the earliest voters for him were

do you remember what order you voted for alien in, abyssum?
You may unfortunately have to aubergine your way through it but I’m pretty sure I was last.
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i like the chapter about me but i should get a girlfriend in it
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ColinIsCool wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:39 pm
Kylemii wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:27 pm the poll doesn't keep the votes in chronological order so i can't tell without digging who voted alien first, i was just hoping to find out who the earliest voters for him were

do you remember what order you voted for alien in, abyssum?
You may unfortunately have to aubergine your way through it but I’m pretty sure I was last.
You weren't last. You were like 6th at worst. Kyle, Tsaiah and I think sprityo all came after you.

I am pretty sure it was like

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I might have been 6th actually. I think the votes were 5 to 3 when I voted for him and made it 6 to 3. Either you or Sprityo voted before me I think Colin.
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i definitely wasn't second

i remember being on robot and then switching specifically because there were...at least 3 people on the alien wagon and i was the only person on robot, and i wanted to prevent the mac lynch from being A Thing
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kylemii is towne
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Hmm, ok. I just felt like I got on there pretty late.
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i'll redo my pretty reads list format when the wind moves me but i think my poe for D2 is, in no particular order:

Robot
Turnip Head
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sprityo
DharmaHelper

folks may jump in and they may jump out but it's a good starting point IMO
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I am checking the timestamps. I think I mixed up abyssum and Tsaiah. [mention]Tsaiah[/mention] can you confirm when you voted in amongst your post history roughly?
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oh yeah, i know i wasn't /later/ than 6th

i said 5th or 6th because i checked the VC and there were 3 on Mac, 6 on alien
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also hello Mac

how are you doing
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Good sir

Russ Thu 8.37am
Tsaiah (guess)
Jay Fri 8.09am
M Plus 7 (guess)
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Mac 12.36pm
Colin Fri 12.59pm
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kyle 1.17pm

I think this is how it played out but I can only confirm the ones with times.
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abyssum wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:50 pm oh yeah, i know i wasn't /later/ than 6th

i said 5th or 6th because i checked the VC and there were 3 on Mac, 6 on alien
You were actually the 8th vote.
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huh

maybe i remembered wrong

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today on Abyssum Is Bad At Numbers
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Colin's vote was the one that really ended the chances of me being lynched so I am giving him big points for the timing of it.
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i voted last
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i always vote last cus doing so charges up my special fighting moves
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Kylemii wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:02 pm Prologue: The Infection
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It was a warm day in the sports stadium, where sports are played, you know the one. The group had decided to blow off steam by playing baseball cus that seems like as good of a reason for this as any. During their game however, it was discovered that one of the new members of the baseball team was an alien, but..... upon their death it turns out there was a much more sinister secret they were hiding...

"He's infected. :\" said Rick Grimes, "Also, my name is Rick Grimes, and i'm here with all my friends."

"Infected? What does that mean?" Kyle asked, inquisitively, ignoring the very obvious comment about the cast of walking dead being present in this.

"It means he got bit, by a walker, and that made him sick :\" Rick Grimes drawled

"what no, that's not what i mean. i mean... what does it mean, in the context of this narrative? the one that i'm using as a backdrop for what is basic player proximity analysis in the shape of bad walking dead fanfiction?" Kyle asked.

Rick Grimes, wiped some sweat off his eyebrow "it means we gotta find out who else in this group might be infected, find out who Alien might have been friends with, who he hung out with, who he acted shady around. that sorta thing. we gotta find anyone else who might be infected before they can do any damage.

"yes that sounds good, and more importantly it sounds like a valid backdrop for this series of walking dead fanfic/game analysis posts"

"isn't that a little bit too self-aware?" Rick Grimes asked

"no" said Kyle

"Alright so where do we start?" asked Rick Grimes

"At the top."
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I hope there will be more baseball featured in later chapters
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Chapter 2: Did Colin Call-In Sick? You Know? Cus His Name is Colin and It Sounds like CALL IN. Get it? haha (:
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"alien gives him townpoints early on, later doesn't really mention colin much, retains colin's status as a townread a couple times, but in a 'i don't remember why' way. hmmm..... the thing about aliens iso is that he seems to get involved in discussing a lot of other players opinions, any time colin is involved he seems to take the side of whoever isn't against colin, he called colin and my discussion town v town, after having previously taken issue with a couple of my anti-colin posts and mentioning a townread on colin a few times, he never wavers from his townread on colin even after colin votes for him and i guess..... is that a teammate strategy that's ever been done? just townreading a teammate and never wavering on it?

colin also townreads alien early on, takes issue with some of alien's posts early on. i think in general colin's progression of suspecting alien seems organic, the main concern here is that infected alien became a hot topic fairly early on, it wouldn't be detrimental for colin as a mafioso to throw out the comments directed at alien if they were mafia, none of them actually push much suspicion towards him and could be a gentle distancing tactic depending mostly on the timing. townreading a teammate at all so early would be pretty bold especially when that wasn't a popular opinion to have

the other issue with a colin alien pair up is that if they are teammates then they didn't seem to coordinate on how they'd interact with each other in the thread much, a mafia!colin would have realized a need to distance from alien but alien doesn't seem to distance from colin at all, unless the distancing is in the form of 'there's no way alien would consistently townread his teammate like that' or maybe he thought that it would look weird if he turned around and started going after colin,

i guess in short i don't think there's enough here to outright clear or condemn colin, i think colin's interactions with alien should be kept in mind for the future but i don't think that colin should be an immediate lynch priority or anything"

"what the fuck don't i get relevant dialogue in this one?" rock grimes, complained "and how come you abandoned the zombie infection motif"

"cus i forgot how tiring this is to do and this format is gonna get tiring if i keep framing it as a conversation between two people, this is more streamlined, also it looks like jay literally already did the same thing i'm doing now except better and i kinda just want to just like read his analysis and then.... go watch the deadpool2 movie or something and then do more of these later on if there's specific players who i'm curious about, or if i get bored"

"alright then do you wanna kiss"

"no rick............ not yet. ;)"

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i want to call this ship

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I hope kyle makes it to second base with rick, those are the kind of fantasy points you can hold on to for life
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i can't keep going cus i can't think of a good pun for dharmahelper's name :\
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"Hello. I'm Charlie Blackmon, center fielder for the Colorado Rockies.

I'm also bizarrely the face of some campaign for a bake sale or something.

Anyway, tonight against the Braves in Atlanta I have three runs, three hits, one double, one triple, and two RBIs.

That's a great night. Epignosis is looking pretty dumb right now for not picking me tonight.

You know who else is having a great night? The civilians. You know who else is looking pretty dumb right now? The mafia.

Because no one has died, and it's Day 2. You have 48 hours to lynch someone."

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Lmaoooooooooo get rekt mafia
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S/o to the doctor for allowing MP to get to 3000 posts
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Voting DharmaHelper. It's gonna take some serious effort to get deez hands from around dat throat.
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Chatper 3: DharmaHelper or DharmaHarmer?
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"DH doesn't mention alien in a meaningful way other than to mention that he's a new player and sort of do a 'man are we really gonna lynch a new player on their first day here? what a nice welcome, sarcasm' thing,

alien specifically provides several questions and counterpoints to an iso post jay made about dharmahelper, he consistently seems to want MP7 lycned over DH, had DH as slight mafia in his rainbow, with counterpoints to his own points, 'why would he post the way he is if he were bad instead of putting effort into looking like a townie'

i could see this being potential teammate interractions, DH's 'do we really want to lynch new people' could be an attempt to defend without really defending, via a plea to morals and community health, and i could see alien's comments about DH being a sort of 'hey my teammate is acting in a way that's not conducive to our victory in my opinion and i don't really understand it, but at least i can use it as a defense of why he couldn't be mafia' way, on the other hand going out of his way to pick apart Jay's iso on DH is almost too obvious of a move to be an action of a scummate, like it's weird, who would do that? DH wasn't even in any real danger"

"cool, nice, time for kiss now?!" Rick asked

"no not yet, sorry, Rick Grimes, from AMC's the walking dead. it's too early in the narrative still, and also you should think about what that might do to your wife, Lori Grimes, you know, emotionally and stuff."

"hi, i'm here now" said Lori Grimes who was also there btw
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DharmaHurter?
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Re: DFS Mafia [Day 2]

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Post by ColinIsCool »

MacDougall wrote: Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:09 pm Voting DharmaHelper. It's gonna take some serious effort to get deez hands from around dat throat.
What do you make of Jay’s case on RobotNerd?
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