MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:42 am
You keep telling me that you've read my points. That they're compelling. You haven't given me your perspective in anything other than surface level thumbs up.
Yeah, I’m trying not to emotionally invest right now. I really do need to walk away. But I’ll come back to it in more depth later.
As for clearing out my crew - I will put glorf up again if I think you’re trying to make my life harder. I can fire anyone I actually think is bad, I’ve said this before. If you can’t convince me with words, you won’t convince me by trying to use mechanics against me.
You have a strong town read on me. You think my points are salient. Why are you against putting DDL on the poll to the point where you would put Glorfindel and Marmot on it? If you are town this is bad play and not democratic. You are not a bad player. You are a strategic and very sensible townie. Town you would give in and give us this. This is why I am suspicious of you.
I may well give in.
I nearly used my check on DDL. It’s all my gut, and I know there’s only a certain length of time I can rely on my gut over strong town feelings.
You don’t have to tell me how to play. If you advocate stupid shit like lynching marmot just to force me to do what you want, I’ll not trust your motives and do stupid shit to stop you. You should lynch who you think is bad, not who you think punished me the most.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:13 am
It's my opinion. You were on the only bad team in the game. You were not genuinely hunting mafia. That's my view. It isn't changing. I modded the game. The previous game has been raised as a something to discuss, so I will discuss it, and I don't disagree with TH. I disagree with you. Get over it.
Sorry but I have to side with Golden here. You don't get to disagree on someone's feelings or mental state.
I can disagree if someone calls himself "genuine."
Sure, as long as you understand that means you are calling me a liar outside of the context of an in game situation.
It isn't outside the context of an in-game situation.
I don't even understand how this is an issue.
I don't suspect you.
My entire point is that I don't suspect Turnip Head either, even though you said he was "shading you" (whatever that means) for something that happened in another game.
I am entitled to my opinion, even if nutella thinks I'm not, and that opinion leads me to believe that this avenue against TH is a poor avenue.
I don't understand how this is so complicated, or why this exchanges even evolve into issues like this the way that they do.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:42 am
You keep telling me that you've read my points. That they're compelling. You haven't given me your perspective in anything other than surface level thumbs up.
Yeah, I’m trying not to emotionally invest right now. I really do need to walk away. But I’ll come back to it in more depth later.
As for clearing out my crew - I will put glorf up again if I think you’re trying to make my life harder. I can fire anyone I actually think is bad, I’ve said this before. If you can’t convince me with words, you won’t convince me by trying to use mechanics against me.
Then your crew has the obligation to mutiny you. You should go take that breather and come back later to argue but in the game this is true.
No it’s not, it’s bullshit. And it’s stuff like this that makes me feel I’m making the right call.
Town should remember that if I’m right, I’m making life incredibly hard for the mafia. NOT letting them get their mislynch candidates on the board is valuable.
Perhaps you felt you were genuinely hunting the third party, but if you hit a civilian and won, you wouldn't care. My point is you were not genuinely hunting mafia without care for losing a civilian.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:28 pm[VOTE:
Enrique] aubergine
Let's do this.
That's one way to turn me off
I had the same reaction
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:31 pm
Ok reverse psychology then.
I vote for Wilgy/TH.
You vote for Enrique to avoid me.
LOL
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:32 pm
Enrique CFD let's do this
There was so much desire to lynch Enrique. He ended with 0 votes and Wilgy with 10.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:33 pm[VOTE:
WIlgy] aubergine
Somehow everyone bounced off the Luffy led wagon when it was Enrique. But when it was Wilgy it ended in a Wilgy lynch that DDL claimed was an attempt at reverse psychology.
Luffy's reverse psychology ended up being.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:34 pm
Wilgy says I'm scum and then sheeps my ENrique vote in the same post.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:13 am
It's my opinion. You were on the only bad team in the game. You were not genuinely hunting mafia. That's my view. It isn't changing. I modded the game. The previous game has been raised as a something to discuss, so I will discuss it, and I don't disagree with TH. I disagree with you. Get over it.
Sorry but I have to side with Golden here. You don't get to disagree on someone's feelings or mental state.
I can disagree if someone calls himself "genuine."
No?? By genuine he meant that he truly believed what he was saying. You can't decide what someone else believes.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:42 am
You keep telling me that you've read my points. That they're compelling. You haven't given me your perspective in anything other than surface level thumbs up.
Yeah, I’m trying not to emotionally invest right now. I really do need to walk away. But I’ll come back to it in more depth later.
As for clearing out my crew - I will put glorf up again if I think you’re trying to make my life harder. I can fire anyone I actually think is bad, I’ve said this before. If you can’t convince me with words, you won’t convince me by trying to use mechanics against me.
Then your crew has the obligation to mutiny you. You should go take that breather and come back later to argue but in the game this is true.
No it’s not, it’s bullshit. And it’s stuff like this that makes me feel I’m making the right call.
Town should remember that if I’m right, I’m making life incredibly hard for the mafia. NOT letting them get their mislynch candidates on the board is valuable.
You are preventing town from getting the Mafia we want on the board actually. There will always be mislynch candidates on the board no matter what.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:13 am
It's my opinion. You were on the only bad team in the game. You were not genuinely hunting mafia. That's my view. It isn't changing. I modded the game. The previous game has been raised as a something to discuss, so I will discuss it, and I don't disagree with TH. I disagree with you. Get over it.
Sorry but I have to side with Golden here. You don't get to disagree on someone's feelings or mental state.
I can disagree if someone calls himself "genuine."
Sure, as long as you understand that means you are calling me a liar outside of the context of an in game situation.
It isn't outside the context of an in-game situation.
I don't even understand how this is an issue.
I don't suspect you.
My entire point is that I don't suspect Turnip Head either, even though you said he was "shading you" (whatever that means) for something that happened in another game.
I am entitled to my opinion, even if nutella thinks I'm not, and that opinion leads me to believe that this avenue against TH is a poor avenue.
I don't understand how this is so complicated, or why this exchanges even evolve into issues like this the way that they do.
Well I dunno, maybe it’s because you tell me I don’t know what words mean when I do know what they mean. Have you ever considered that might be incredibly condescending?
You are arguing it’s a poor avenue against TH? That’s strange, since the avenue you are talking about is THS ANGLE AGAINST ME.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:13 am
It's my opinion. You were on the only bad team in the game. You were not genuinely hunting mafia. That's my view. It isn't changing. I modded the game. The previous game has been raised as a something to discuss, so I will discuss it, and I don't disagree with TH. I disagree with you. Get over it.
Sorry but I have to side with Golden here. You don't get to disagree on someone's feelings or mental state.
I can disagree if someone calls himself "genuine."
No?? By genuine he meant that he truly believed what he was saying. You can't decide what someone else believes.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:42 am
You keep telling me that you've read my points. That they're compelling. You haven't given me your perspective in anything other than surface level thumbs up.
Yeah, I’m trying not to emotionally invest right now. I really do need to walk away. But I’ll come back to it in more depth later.
As for clearing out my crew - I will put glorf up again if I think you’re trying to make my life harder. I can fire anyone I actually think is bad, I’ve said this before. If you can’t convince me with words, you won’t convince me by trying to use mechanics against me.
Then your crew has the obligation to mutiny you. You should go take that breather and come back later to argue but in the game this is true.
No it’s not, it’s bullshit. And it’s stuff like this that makes me feel I’m making the right call.
Town should remember that if I’m right, I’m making life incredibly hard for the mafia. NOT letting them get their mislynch candidates on the board is valuable.
You are preventing town from getting the Mafia we want on the board actually. There will always be mislynch candidates on the board no matter what.
You don’t know what I’m doing actually until people get lynched. Neither do I. That’s the point.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:42 am
You keep telling me that you've read my points. That they're compelling. You haven't given me your perspective in anything other than surface level thumbs up.
Yeah, I’m trying not to emotionally invest right now. I really do need to walk away. But I’ll come back to it in more depth later.
As for clearing out my crew - I will put glorf up again if I think you’re trying to make my life harder. I can fire anyone I actually think is bad, I’ve said this before. If you can’t convince me with words, you won’t convince me by trying to use mechanics against me.
Then your crew has the obligation to mutiny you. You should go take that breather and come back later to argue but in the game this is true.
No it’s not, it’s bullshit. And it’s stuff like this that makes me feel I’m making the right call.
Town should remember that if I’m right, I’m making life incredibly hard for the mafia. NOT letting them get their mislynch candidates on the board is valuable.
You are preventing town from getting the Mafia we want on the board actually. There will always be mislynch candidates on the board no matter what.
You don’t know what I’m doing actually until people get lynched. Neither do I. That’s the point.
You are putting up weak candidates to protect crew you have a town read on.
You are wrong about your read on DDL. He is easily the most obvious Mafia player in the game.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:13 am
It's my opinion. You were on the only bad team in the game. You were not genuinely hunting mafia. That's my view. It isn't changing. I modded the game. The previous game has been raised as a something to discuss, so I will discuss it, and I don't disagree with TH. I disagree with you. Get over it.
Sorry but I have to side with Golden here. You don't get to disagree on someone's feelings or mental state.
I can disagree if someone calls himself "genuine."
Sure, as long as you understand that means you are calling me a liar outside of the context of an in game situation.
It isn't outside the context of an in-game situation.
I don't even understand how this is an issue.
I don't suspect you.
My entire point is that I don't suspect Turnip Head either, even though you said he was "shading you" (whatever that means) for something that happened in another game.
I am entitled to my opinion, even if nutella thinks I'm not, and that opinion leads me to believe that this avenue against TH is a poor avenue.
I don't understand how this is so complicated, or why this exchanges even evolve into issues like this the way that they do.
Well I dunno, maybe it’s because you tell me I don’t know what words mean when I do know what they mean. Have you ever considered that might be incredibly condescending?
You are arguing it’s a poor avenue against TH? That’s strange, since the avenue you are talking about is THS ANGLE AGAINST ME.
You know what?
Carry on.
This isn't worth my time. If you're bad and you win, okay. Excuse me for giving this shit my all.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:56 am
Let me (perhaps?) clear this up:
Perhaps you felt you were genuinely hunting the third party, but if you hit a civilian and won, you wouldn't care. My point is you were not genuinely hunting mafia without care for losing a civilian.
Does that help any?
Ramses could not be nked. Knowing the identity and getting them lynched felt absolutely critical to us winning. God dammit did I absolutely care. I wouldn’t have done so much work if I didn’t.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:42 am
You keep telling me that you've read my points. That they're compelling. You haven't given me your perspective in anything other than surface level thumbs up.
Yeah, I’m trying not to emotionally invest right now. I really do need to walk away. But I’ll come back to it in more depth later.
As for clearing out my crew - I will put glorf up again if I think you’re trying to make my life harder. I can fire anyone I actually think is bad, I’ve said this before. If you can’t convince me with words, you won’t convince me by trying to use mechanics against me.
Then your crew has the obligation to mutiny you. You should go take that breather and come back later to argue but in the game this is true.
No it’s not, it’s bullshit. And it’s stuff like this that makes me feel I’m making the right call.
Town should remember that if I’m right, I’m making life incredibly hard for the mafia. NOT letting them get their mislynch candidates on the board is valuable.
You are preventing town from getting the Mafia we want on the board actually. There will always be mislynch candidates on the board no matter what.
^This. Like I get that you're stubborn about your town reads but if you're wrong you're straight up just handing the mafia the win on a platter.
So far we have lynched on Mafia (who only got lynched by 2 votes over a confirmed civilian).
This poll limitation mechanism makes it super difficult for the town.
The town need to play like a team here. We need a block.
I am strongly town reading:
Nutella
Turnip Head
Epignosis
Nova
Glorfindel
DharmaHelper
I also think speedchuck is a civ but I am more null.
DharmaHelper and Turnip Head you are captains. Golden is not using his captaincy abilities properly. You guys can. Turnip Head you are harbouring nobody I want to lynch. DharmaHelper you are harbouring two. I know putting up your boys is putting your captaincy at risk but it is for the health of the game.
Turnip Head. If I can convince DH to leave his own ship will you take us both?
[mention]Glorfindel[/mention] [mention]speedchuck[/mention] regardless of how you are reading golden, his continued protection of DDL is to the detriment of the town. If you are civs you are obliged to play to the town benefit. You need to mutiny or leave his ship.
[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] and [mention]Turnip Head[/mention] can you extend invites to these two please.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 12:13 am
It's my opinion. You were on the only bad team in the game. You were not genuinely hunting mafia. That's my view. It isn't changing. I modded the game. The previous game has been raised as a something to discuss, so I will discuss it, and I don't disagree with TH. I disagree with you. Get over it.
Sorry but I have to side with Golden here. You don't get to disagree on someone's feelings or mental state.
I can disagree if someone calls himself "genuine."
Sure, as long as you understand that means you are calling me a liar outside of the context of an in game situation.
It isn't outside the context of an in-game situation.
I don't even understand how this is an issue.
I don't suspect you.
My entire point is that I don't suspect Turnip Head either, even though you said he was "shading you" (whatever that means) for something that happened in another game.
I am entitled to my opinion, even if nutella thinks I'm not, and that opinion leads me to believe that this avenue against TH is a poor avenue.
I don't understand how this is so complicated, or why this exchanges even evolve into issues like this the way that they do.
Well I dunno, maybe it’s because you tell me I don’t know what words mean when I do know what they mean. Have you ever considered that might be incredibly condescending?
You are arguing it’s a poor avenue against TH? That’s strange, since the avenue you are talking about is THS ANGLE AGAINST ME.
You know what?
Carry on.
This isn't worth my time. If you're bad and you win, okay. Excuse me for giving this shit my all.
But really it has nothing to do with whether I’m bad or not, right?
You say you’re town reading me but you’re going out of your way to argue I’m lying about something that happened in another game. How do those two things connect together?
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:06 am
I don’t get your angle, epi
You say you’re town reading me but you’re going out of your way to argue I’m lying about something that happened in another game. How do those two things connect together?
I don't think TH is bad and trying to get you lynched.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:04 am
So far we have lynched on Mafia (who only got lynched by 2 votes over a confirmed civilian).
This poll limitation mechanism makes it super difficult for the town.
The town need to play like a team here. We need a block.
I am strongly town reading:
Nutella
Turnip Head
Epignosis
Nova
Glorfindel
DharmaHelper
I also think speedchuck is a civ but I am more null.
DharmaHelper and Turnip Head you are captains. Golden is not using his captaincy abilities properly. You guys can. Turnip Head you are harbouring nobody I want to lynch. DharmaHelper you are harbouring two. I know putting up your boys is putting your captaincy at risk but it is for the health of the game.
Turnip Head. If I can convince DH to leave his own ship will you take us both?
@Glorfindel @speedchuck regardless of how you are reading golden, his continued protection of DDL is to the detriment of the town. If you are civs you are obliged to play to the town benefit. You need to mutiny or leave his ship.
@DharmaHelper and @Turnip Head can you extend invites to these two please.
If you think I'm gonna leave my ship you can suck a whole fart.
As for invites, I've had an open invite to these scrubs for days nobody takes me up on it.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:04 am
@Glorfindel @speedchuck regardless of how you are reading golden, his continued protection of DDL is to the detriment of the town. If you are civs you are obliged to play to the town benefit. You need to mutiny or leave his ship.
[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] I am strongly considering leaving to go to your ship. I see that you made me an offer but I do think DharmaHelper is town captain by virtue of him having put Sokolth up on the poll. If DharmaHelper doesn't put one of them on the poll I will definitely take you up on your offer.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:04 am
So far we have lynched on Mafia (who only got lynched by 2 votes over a confirmed civilian).
This poll limitation mechanism makes it super difficult for the town.
The town need to play like a team here. We need a block.
I am strongly town reading:
Nutella
Turnip Head
Epignosis
Nova
Glorfindel
DharmaHelper
I also think speedchuck is a civ but I am more null.
DharmaHelper and Turnip Head you are captains. Golden is not using his captaincy abilities properly. You guys can. Turnip Head you are harbouring nobody I want to lynch. DharmaHelper you are harbouring two. I know putting up your boys is putting your captaincy at risk but it is for the health of the game.
Turnip Head. If I can convince DH to leave his own ship will you take us both?
@Glorfindel @speedchuck regardless of how you are reading golden, his continued protection of DDL is to the detriment of the town. If you are civs you are obliged to play to the town benefit. You need to mutiny or leave his ship.
@DharmaHelper and @Turnip Head can you extend invites to these two please.
If you think I'm gonna leave my ship you can suck a whole fart.
As for invites, I've had an open invite to these scrubs for days nobody takes me up on it.
How does what you are doing assist the civilian cause?
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:06 am
I don’t get your angle, epi
You say you’re town reading me but you’re going out of your way to argue I’m lying about something that happened in another game. How do those two things connect together?
I have Glorfindel as a civilian, but do you see me refraining from tearing into him?
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:06 am
I don’t get your angle, epi
You say you’re town reading me but you’re going out of your way to argue I’m lying about something that happened in another game. How do those two things connect together?
I have Glorfindel as a civilian, but do you see me refraining from tearing into him?
No, no you don't.
Well, maybe you should reconsider that approach since all it’s got you is his vote.
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:06 am
I don’t get your angle, epi
You say you’re town reading me but you’re going out of your way to argue I’m lying about something that happened in another game. How do those two things connect together?
I have Glorfindel as a civilian, but do you see me refraining from tearing into him?
No, no you don't.
Well, maybe you should reconsider that approach since all it’s got you is his vote.
‘We should do what Mac thinks is in the best interests of the town. This means telling golden he doesn’t know what’s in the best interests of the town.’
I may be one of the kings of fuck mountain around here, but I never disrespect the instincts of the others. Perhaps you should take ten seconds out and wonder why I might gut and tone read DDL as town instead of assuming I’m wrong because you disagree.
Glorfindel refusing to participate in the polls was bad and encouraging him to is good and helpful. I'm staying out of the Courage debate because I neither understand it nor care, but Epi is right about this.
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:13 am
‘We should do what Mac thinks is in the best interests of the town. This means telling golden he doesn’t know what’s in the best interests of the town.’
I may be one of the kings of fuck mountain around here, but I never disrespect the instincts of the others. Perhaps you should take ten seconds out and wonder why I might gut and tone read DDL as town instead of assuming I’m wrong because you disagree.
So you want me to just ignore all my own opinions because you have different ones even though I've documented them and several people agree with them?
Golden if you think that putting up candidates like Marmot and Glorfindel poll after poll is in the best interests of the town I just totally have to disagree. It is in the best interests of Golden and Golden feels that what is good for Golden is good for town. I appreciate that is how you feel. But my feelings about the alignment of one of the people you are protecting means I cannot agree with you this time.
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:13 am
‘We should do what Mac thinks is in the best interests of the town. This means telling golden he doesn’t know what’s in the best interests of the town.’
I may be one of the kings of fuck mountain around here, but I never disrespect the instincts of the others. Perhaps you should take ten seconds out and wonder why I might gut and tone read DDL as town instead of assuming I’m wrong because you disagree.
So you want me to just ignore all my own opinions because you have different ones even though I've documented them and several people agree with them?
No. I think everyone should be allowed to have their own opinions and play accordingly.
I think that telling me I’m playing the game ‘wrong’ is disrespectful.
But whatever. Maybe you just have a better grip on the game than I do.
Golden wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 1:13 am
‘We should do what Mac thinks is in the best interests of the town. This means telling golden he doesn’t know what’s in the best interests of the town.’
I may be one of the kings of fuck mountain around here, but I never disrespect the instincts of the others. Perhaps you should take ten seconds out and wonder why I might gut and tone read DDL as town instead of assuming I’m wrong because you disagree.
So you want me to just ignore all my own opinions because you have different ones even though I've documented them and several people agree with them?
No. I think everyone should be allowed to have their own opinions and play accordingly.
I think that telling me I’m playing the game ‘wrong’ is disrespectful.
But whatever. Maybe you just have a better grip on the game than I do.
Feeling like another player in the game of Mafia is incorrect is not disrespecting them. It is part of the nature of the game.
Saying you're wrong and encouraging you to do what I think is right is not disrespecting you. Nor would you telling me to suck a fart and continuing to do what you think is best. Again, this is the nature of this game.
