Firefly, The Game [GAME OVER]

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok I ISO'd them both.

I am now convinced they are both bad.

DF's posts re: Sokoth look like shit and Marmot is a shadow of his civ self.

Last time I piggybacked on a case by Epi it gave us Wilgy though, so I'm gonna go with [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

See you next phase.

[Enrique]

Hm. I don't like this.

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

[Enrique]

Nobody is seriously talking about Marmot. He's basically not playing. It's more made up bullshit that will give the scum an easy lynch.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If my post looked like this:

Ok I ISO'd them both.

I am now convinced they are both bad.

DF's posts re: Sokoth look like shit and Marmot is a shadow of his civ self.

Something something [VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

Would you have replied with:

Hm. I don't like this.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

?

[Enrique]

Ok I ISO'd them both.

I am now convinced they are both bad.

DF's posts re: Sokoth look like shit and Marmot is a shadow of his civ self.

Last time I piggybacked on a case by Epi it gave us Wilgy though, so I'm gonna go with [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

See you next phase.

I am convinced they are both bath, however, I am voting for the one that has been missing all game.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Contrary to popular belief, civ Marmot is a pretty decent player and can be characterized by his honest attempt at figuring things out and questioning people.

The fact he is not doing this here is what is making me read him as bad.

[Enrique]

If my post looked like this:

Ok I ISO'd them both.

I am now convinced they are both bad.

DF's posts re: Sokoth look like shit and Marmot is a shadow of his civ self.

Something something [VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

Would you have replied with:

Hm. I don't like this.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

?

When you quote me quote me in context.

Nobody is seriously talking about Marmot. He's basically not playing. It's more made up bullshit that will give the scum an easy lynch.

[Enrique]

Your vote was on DF before, right? So clearly I did not have that reaction and clearly there's no reason to assume I would have.

[DharmaHelper]

Golden

Spoiler: show

Unfortunately, my work pc has decided to block the syndicate today. Hopefully it isn’t permanent.

I’ve done what I can, a flick back. Not a deep dive.

I don’t like a DDL lynch
Unless they’re bad together, speeds read of Luna is meaningful to me. It doesn’t matter what his alignment is, he’d want to read her as accurately as possible to avoid suspicion from her. So I don’t love a Luna lynch.

I’d like it to go elsewhere. Wilgy and TH are still my primary choices. Wilgy isn’t really around, but I disliked his day one. His approach to me felt forced and fake. He said he felt I should be collaborating with him to solve the game... but I don’t see that kind of wilgy at all here. But I don’t love voting him in his absence either. TH isn’t really in the starting blocks.

Sokoth engages with both sides of the me/nova argument and I can see the case here. He approached the situation with a mindset that approached assuming it was wolf/town. This makes sense of nova is actually bad; but it also makes sense if he was setting up a false dilemma. But I don’t feel informed here and haven’t found real time to go do the iso.

In the end my vote is a matter of degrees. I’ll use it against someone I have suspicions on... wilgy, Sokoth or TH... but probably just as much in protection of lynches I’m not on board with.

It’s wilgy for now, but even as I was typing I see Sokoth is in the lead, which makes me feel much more relaxed than I was before.

I trust the people on the Wilgy wagon more than the people on my wagon. Should I switch, or would that ruin more things?

Go with your gut. I think wilgy is more likely to be bad, but with each of the other two options we may get decent reads out of the flips. In some ways there are no bad options here.

is sokoth known for writing giant ass 2000 word essays as defenses regularly? is it IA

He doesn’t have a huge mafia history as far as I’m aware. I hosted him in BSG and haven’t played with him before. BSG could be a good reference point for his town behaviour.

A little waffly/hedgey regarding Sok.

Vote for SQ: N/a

Teammate-o-meter: 65%

[Enrique]

I trust the people on the Wilgy wagon more than the people on my wagon. Should I switch, or would that ruin more things?

Go with your gut. I think wilgy is more likely to be bad, but with each of the other two options we may get decent reads out of the flips. In some ways there are no bad options here.

This is a real good one.

[Enrique]

Contrary to popular belief, civ Marmot is a pretty decent player and can be characterized by his honest attempt at figuring things out and questioning people.

The fact he is not doing this here is what is making me read him as bad.

There is nothing to read, just like there was nothing to read in Mac1 and Wilgy before.

[DharmaHelper]

I'll go ahead and pause it there since my evening is going to be busy and I doubt anyone gives a shit at this point.

[DharmaHelper]

Anyway spoilers:

I don't think Nova is going to score high on the Teammate-o-meter.

[Epignosis]

Last time I piggybacked on a case by Epi it gave us Wilgy though, so I'm gonna go with [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I love recency bias in DFS, because it means the field will take or avoid players based solely on their last game or two without considering context.

I do not love recency bias in Mafia.

[novaselinenever]

Anyway spoilers:

I don't think Nova is going to score high on the Teammate-o-meter.

0 or riot.

[novaselinenever]

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] Why are you on DFaraday if you've been saying that no one bussed?

[Turnip Head]

Nobody is seriously talking about Marmot. He's basically not playing. It's more made up bullshit that will give the scum an easy lynch.

"made up bullshit" is a pretty strong reaction, who are you referring to?

[Turnip Head]

Wonder if one of the off-wagon voters will attempt to break this tie

[nutella]

Hm. I don't like this.

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

Ya cause marmot's your teammate eh

Nobody is seriously talking about Marmot. He's basically not playing. It's more made up bullshit that will give the scum an easy lynch.

False. Nova made a very good case based on sokoth's comments about/toward marmot.

[nutella]

I think at this particular moment I am more convinced that Enrique is bad than that DDL is. It will be interesting to see what happens next phase though.

[nutella]

Holy fuck I just noticed something. DH thank you for quoting this post:

I trust the people on the Wilgy wagon more than the people on my wagon. Should I switch, or would that ruin more things?

Go with your gut. I think wilgy is more likely to be bad, but with each of the other two options we may get decent reads out of the flips. In some ways there are no bad options here.

IIRC Golden said the exact same thing when his teammate LC was up for lynch in courage.


Bam.

[Turnip Head]

I think at this particular moment I am more convinced that Enrique is bad than that DDL is. It will be interesting to see what happens next phase though.

samesies

[nutella]

Holy fuck I just noticed something. DH thank you for quoting this post:

I trust the people on the Wilgy wagon more than the people on my wagon. Should I switch, or would that ruin more things?

Go with your gut. I think wilgy is more likely to be bad, but with each of the other two options we may get decent reads out of the flips. In some ways there are no bad options here.

IIRC Golden said the exact same thing when his teammate LC was up for lynch in courage.


Bam.

Fuck never mind I just looked and I must be misremembering something. oh well

[Turnip Head]

Holy fuck I just noticed something. DH thank you for quoting this post:

I trust the people on the Wilgy wagon more than the people on my wagon. Should I switch, or would that ruin more things?

Go with your gut. I think wilgy is more likely to be bad, but with each of the other two options we may get decent reads out of the flips. In some ways there are no bad options here.

IIRC Golden said the exact same thing when his teammate LC was up for lynch in courage.


Bam.

hmmmmmmmmz

[Enrique]

Marmot - No real substance to posts until somewhat recently. The vote for Mac without reason kind of through me. I would be interested to

I think Sokoth is talking about the scum chat in this post, because I'm struggling to find these "substance" posts from Marmot he's referring to. The "somewhat recently" seals it for me.

Case closed. Marmot is bad

This is it. This is the case. This isn't even better than Wilgy.

[nutella]

Marmot - No real substance to posts until somewhat recently. The vote for Mac without reason kind of through me. I would be interested to

I think Sokoth is talking about the scum chat in this post, because I'm struggling to find these "substance" posts from Marmot he's referring to. The "somewhat recently" seals it for me.

Case closed. Marmot is bad

This is it. This is the case. This isn't even better than Wilgy.

You're missing (a) the part where he shows how it's different from how he treats Wilgy and Luna and (b) the post right after this where he talks about the part that was cut off in this quote where Sokoth asks Marmot directly and it feels awkward. Don't misrepresent the case, it's more than this.

[Enrique]

Holy fuck I just noticed something. DH thank you for quoting this post:

I trust the people on the Wilgy wagon more than the people on my wagon. Should I switch, or would that ruin more things?

Go with your gut. I think wilgy is more likely to be bad, but with each of the other two options we may get decent reads out of the flips. In some ways there are no bad options here.

IIRC Golden said the exact same thing when his teammate LC was up for lynch in courage.


Bam.

Fuck never mind I just looked and I must be misremembering something. oh well

It's still a bad as hell post. Sounds like he knows exactly how it's gonna flip and is preparing for it without having to join the wagon.

linki: eh

[Golden]

Holy fuck I just noticed something. DH thank you for quoting this post:

I trust the people on the Wilgy wagon more than the people on my wagon. Should I switch, or would that ruin more things?

Go with your gut. I think wilgy is more likely to be bad, but with each of the other two options we may get decent reads out of the flips. In some ways there are no bad options here.

IIRC Golden said the exact same thing when his teammate LC was up for lynch in courage.


Bam.

Pretty sure I didn’t.

In the LC lynch it’s possible I said there are no GOOD options. Or that LC was the best of two bad options. I never saw your lynch as a good option.

Besides that, it’s bad logic to compare a line to when I’m bad and treat it as a slam dunk. When I do say stuff like that when bad, it’s because it’s how I’d feel if town. In that game you were a bad vote option for me because I knew town golden would read you town. I was deliberately recreating the way I’d feel as town there.

[nutella]

Holy fuck I just noticed something. DH thank you for quoting this post:

I trust the people on the Wilgy wagon more than the people on my wagon. Should I switch, or would that ruin more things?

Go with your gut. I think wilgy is more likely to be bad, but with each of the other two options we may get decent reads out of the flips. In some ways there are no bad options here.

IIRC Golden said the exact same thing when his teammate LC was up for lynch in courage.


Bam.

Pretty sure I didn’t.

In the LC lynch it’s possible I said there are no GOOD options. Or that LC was the best of two bad options. I never saw your lynch as a good option.

Besides that, it’s bad logic to compare a line to when I’m bad and treat it as a slam dunk. When I do say stuff like that when bad, it’s because it’s how I’d feel if town. In that game you were a bad vote option for me because I knew town golden would read you town. I was deliberately recreating the way I’d feel as town there.

Yeah, you're right I looked back and it was kind of the opposite.

[Golden]

FFS guys I say stuff like ‘there’s no bad options here’ all the time a little research would divest you of that idea pretty fast.

It just meant that I had no horse in the race. Often I’ll defend someone I have a strong townread on. When I don’t have a strong townread on any major candidate I’ll say a variation of that post more often than not.

[DharmaHelper]

nice

[Enrique]

We're gonna keep focusing on individual sentences that don't lead anywhere but each day we'll have a different way to read them. "Well, his treating Wilgy and Marmot in specific separate ways didn't work out, but surely this third instance will." It's not that there's nothing to his post (he defends DDL in the same post and that's concrete and out there), but we probably shouldn't just focus on awkward phrasing and use it as evidence of, I mean, nothing in particular? It is different from Wilgy only in that it literally says something different and is shorter / less involved.

I prefer DH's method of focusing on people's dialogue around Sokoth. That Golden post was golden.

[novaselinenever]

What is Linki? Feel like I'm missing on an inside thing

[DharmaHelper]

We're gonna keep focusing on individual sentences that don't lead anywhere but each day we'll have a different way to read them. "Well, his treating Wilgy and Marmot in specific separate ways didn't work out, but surely this third instance will." It's not that there's nothing to his post (he defends DDL in the same post and that's concrete and out there), but we probably shouldn't just focus on awkward phrasing and use it as evidence of, I mean, nothing in particular? It is different from Wilgy only in that it literally says something different and is shorter / less involved.

I prefer DH's method of focusing on people's dialogue around Sokoth. That Golden post was golden.

I'm beginning to feel like a rap god.

[DharmaHelper]

What is Linki? Feel like I'm missing on an inside thing

Linki or Linkitis refers to the experience of trying to post something only to have someone's post interrupt yours.

[Enrique]

So its time for me to weigh in I guess. I've been going over everyones that's on the Vote's posts. Here is my two cents:

Glorf - While I had initial suspicions of him initially, which was primarily founded on this focus of his meta. I do believe that he very well is a good player and not a baddie. He's been defensive of players, and his Captain and has only really lashed out when one of those was put in the hot seat. So I've swung this vote from red to green.

DDL - Though most people seem to think DDL is a baddie, I'm not entirely convinced. I've seen it swing either way so I am on the ropes with DDL but the way that DDL has reacted even despite his being ejected from his crew. This does not scream bad to me. So I'm again swinging my thoughts from Badish to good.

DrWilgy - Lurking in the shadows. Very low activity from what I've seen but most of what they have posted has not really carried much substance. I suppose the real life reason for inactivity should be considered. I'm on the ropes here. Earlier on they were pretty aggresive with some comments. One thing that stood out to me and still rings is "My Votes have gone to preventing a cowered from being Captain, I'll hold my 4th". This still resonates with me and has pushed my vote over to the bad side. I'm still curious why Wilgy would label Golden a Cowered as I Believe that is where that comment was directed. So... Yeah. And Silence for a long period from the 9th up until...?

DFaraday - Not very active. Mostly responsive to post but nothing that really stands out to me.

Kylemii - Wizard Stuff? Is this some kind of misdirect and avoidance of the Topics at hand? Has not really been helpful but has not hurt. Someone I'm watching to see where this goes as we move on. Leaning Bad.

Luna - Reading through your posts I didn't honestly see anything that stood out as bad up until you ejected DDL from your crew. I'm still not sure I understand why. I thought your handling of your crew pointed to good, but your comments to take in "Jaded" crew. Then when Challenged on it, you 180'ed and said it was a joke. Kind of Strange to me. Those two points combined have me thinking you hail from the dark side of things.

Lapluie... ? Not really here? LOL

Marmot - No real substance to posts until somewhat recently. The vote for Mac without reason kind of through me. I would be interested to know why you threw Mac Under the bus.

SpeedChuck - This suggestion to Lynch ships that have more crew while a good tactic for a win, I'm not sure if I can tell if it was a "Bad' or "Good" Suggestion. It could be both. Mostly seems to play devils advocate between posts.

This is all I've got so far from reading through things and following. Some of the most recent posts are not really analyized here. But yeah. Observations.

So I'm leaning on DrWilgy, and Luna to be honest. I would like other opinions on why I shouldn't vote for one of them or which one I should over the other?

This is the Sokoth post that the whole game is revolving around. The Wilgy portion was focused on because Epi pulled it out of his ass, Marmot because Golden put him on the poll. When they're both dead and town tomorrow, somebody's gonna grab the speedchuck portion which doesn't say anything at all and be like "oh hey look the content of this is different from the other two, surely that means he's bad?" (conveniently ignoring the defense of DDL, again).

[novaselinenever]

So its time for me to weigh in I guess. I've been going over everyones that's on the Vote's posts. Here is my two cents:

Glorf - While I had initial suspicions of him initially, which was primarily founded on this focus of his meta. I do believe that he very well is a good player and not a baddie. He's been defensive of players, and his Captain and has only really lashed out when one of those was put in the hot seat. So I've swung this vote from red to green.

DDL - Though most people seem to think DDL is a baddie, I'm not entirely convinced. I've seen it swing either way so I am on the ropes with DDL but the way that DDL has reacted even despite his being ejected from his crew. This does not scream bad to me. So I'm again swinging my thoughts from Badish to good.

DrWilgy - Lurking in the shadows. Very low activity from what I've seen but most of what they have posted has not really carried much substance. I suppose the real life reason for inactivity should be considered. I'm on the ropes here. Earlier on they were pretty aggresive with some comments. One thing that stood out to me and still rings is "My Votes have gone to preventing a cowered from being Captain, I'll hold my 4th". This still resonates with me and has pushed my vote over to the bad side. I'm still curious why Wilgy would label Golden a Cowered as I Believe that is where that comment was directed. So... Yeah. And Silence for a long period from the 9th up until...?

DFaraday - Not very active. Mostly responsive to post but nothing that really stands out to me.

Kylemii - Wizard Stuff? Is this some kind of misdirect and avoidance of the Topics at hand? Has not really been helpful but has not hurt. Someone I'm watching to see where this goes as we move on. Leaning Bad.

Luna - Reading through your posts I didn't honestly see anything that stood out as bad up until you ejected DDL from your crew. I'm still not sure I understand why. I thought your handling of your crew pointed to good, but your comments to take in "Jaded" crew. Then when Challenged on it, you 180'ed and said it was a joke. Kind of Strange to me. Those two points combined have me thinking you hail from the dark side of things.

Lapluie... ? Not really here? LOL

Marmot - No real substance to posts until somewhat recently. The vote for Mac without reason kind of through me. I would be interested to know why you threw Mac Under the bus.

SpeedChuck - This suggestion to Lynch ships that have more crew while a good tactic for a win, I'm not sure if I can tell if it was a "Bad' or "Good" Suggestion. It could be both. Mostly seems to play devils advocate between posts.

This is all I've got so far from reading through things and following. Some of the most recent posts are not really analyized here. But yeah. Observations.

So I'm leaning on DrWilgy, and Luna to be honest. I would like other opinions on why I shouldn't vote for one of them or which one I should over the other?

This is the Sokoth post that the whole game is revolving around. The Wilgy portion was focused on because Epi pulled it out of his ass, Marmot because Golden put him on the poll. When they're both dead and town tomorrow, somebody's gonna grab the speedchuck portion which doesn't say anything at all and be like "oh hey look the content of this is different from the other two, surely that means he's bad?" (conveniently ignoring the defense of DDL, again).

>conveniently ignoring the defense of DDL

Did you see DDL on the poll last phase? Do you see him now?

[novaselinenever]

Saying that anyone is ignoring DDL when he's been pinged bad by most people, but has been noticeably absent of the lynch poll since, is dishonest.

[Golden]

We're gonna keep focusing on individual sentences that don't lead anywhere but each day we'll have a different way to read them. "Well, his treating Wilgy and Marmot in specific separate ways didn't work out, but surely this third instance will." It's not that there's nothing to his post (he defends DDL in the same post and that's concrete and out there), but we probably shouldn't just focus on awkward phrasing and use it as evidence of, I mean, nothing in particular? It is different from Wilgy only in that it literally says something different and is shorter / less involved.

I prefer DH's method of focusing on people's dialogue around Sokoth. That Golden post was golden.

It really wasn’t.

[Epignosis]

So its time for me to weigh in I guess. I've been going over everyones that's on the Vote's posts. Here is my two cents:

Glorf - While I had initial suspicions of him initially, which was primarily founded on this focus of his meta. I do believe that he very well is a good player and not a baddie. He's been defensive of players, and his Captain and has only really lashed out when one of those was put in the hot seat. So I've swung this vote from red to green.

DDL - Though most people seem to think DDL is a baddie, I'm not entirely convinced. I've seen it swing either way so I am on the ropes with DDL but the way that DDL has reacted even despite his being ejected from his crew. This does not scream bad to me. So I'm again swinging my thoughts from Badish to good.

DrWilgy - Lurking in the shadows. Very low activity from what I've seen but most of what they have posted has not really carried much substance. I suppose the real life reason for inactivity should be considered. I'm on the ropes here. Earlier on they were pretty aggresive with some comments. One thing that stood out to me and still rings is "My Votes have gone to preventing a cowered from being Captain, I'll hold my 4th". This still resonates with me and has pushed my vote over to the bad side. I'm still curious why Wilgy would label Golden a Cowered as I Believe that is where that comment was directed. So... Yeah. And Silence for a long period from the 9th up until...?

DFaraday - Not very active. Mostly responsive to post but nothing that really stands out to me.

Kylemii - Wizard Stuff? Is this some kind of misdirect and avoidance of the Topics at hand? Has not really been helpful but has not hurt. Someone I'm watching to see where this goes as we move on. Leaning Bad.

Luna - Reading through your posts I didn't honestly see anything that stood out as bad up until you ejected DDL from your crew. I'm still not sure I understand why. I thought your handling of your crew pointed to good, but your comments to take in "Jaded" crew. Then when Challenged on it, you 180'ed and said it was a joke. Kind of Strange to me. Those two points combined have me thinking you hail from the dark side of things.

Lapluie... ? Not really here? LOL

Marmot - No real substance to posts until somewhat recently. The vote for Mac without reason kind of through me. I would be interested to know why you threw Mac Under the bus.

SpeedChuck - This suggestion to Lynch ships that have more crew while a good tactic for a win, I'm not sure if I can tell if it was a "Bad' or "Good" Suggestion. It could be both. Mostly seems to play devils advocate between posts.

This is all I've got so far from reading through things and following. Some of the most recent posts are not really analyized here. But yeah. Observations.

So I'm leaning on DrWilgy, and Luna to be honest. I would like other opinions on why I shouldn't vote for one of them or which one I should over the other?

This is the Sokoth post that the whole game is revolving around. The Wilgy portion was focused on because Epi pulled it out of his ass, Marmot because Golden put him on the poll. When they're both dead and town tomorrow, somebody's gonna grab the speedchuck portion which doesn't say anything at all and be like "oh hey look the content of this is different from the other two, surely that means he's bad?" (conveniently ignoring the defense of DDL, again).

That wasn't the post that I found the most damning regarding Wilgy.

[Golden]

This is not the first time nutella has said something about me and Enrique has just sheeped it.

How much of Enrique’s content is sheeping?

[Enrique]

I know Epi, that's not what I meant, but you were still the reason people were focusing on Wilgy to begin with.

[Enrique]

There's no lack of posts where I'm theorizing why Golden was shielding him and pressuring him to get added so yeah, I'm aware, nova. That's besides the point. The point is the Marmot section doesn't say anything on its own while others do. The three people he had as bad turned out to be town, the person he's defending is someone a bunch of us think was his teammate, and then there's a bunch of people he's completely neutral on. It's arbitrary to focus on Marmot, and if he does get lynched today I hope we'll be done with those fake deep reads tomorrow.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Actually scratch what I said before, I want to have my 1v1 showdown against Enrique.

Bring it on.

[Enrique]

This is not the first time nutella has said something about me and Enrique has just sheeped it.

How much of Enrique’s content is sheeping?

I pulled the quote from DH first, said it was bad, then nutella agreed for a moment and took it back and then I made a post to tell her that it actually is bad. Cool narrative, though.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

It's not arbitrary. I'm doing a meta read.

It could be wrong, but I'm being anything but arbitrary.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Actually scratch what I said before, I want to have my 1v1 showdown against Enrique.

Bring it on.

I mean on day 5, in case it aint obvious.

[Golden]

This is not the first time nutella has said something about me and Enrique has just sheeped it.

How much of Enrique’s content is sheeping?

I pulled the quote from DH first, said it was bad, then nutella agreed for a moment and took it back and then I made a post to tell her that it actually is bad. Cool narrative, though.

Fair enough, sheeping DH then. It makes no odds to my “narrative”.

DH didn’t treat it like a silver bullet. Nutella briefly did for a justified reason - she thought it was identical to other baddie behaviour she’d seen from me. You’re acting like it’s a silver bullet just... because?

[novaselinenever]

There's no lack of posts where I'm theorizing why Golden was shielding him and pressuring him to get added so yeah, I'm aware, nova. That's besides the point. The point is the Marmot section doesn't say anything on its own while others do. The three people he had as bad turned out to be town, the person he's defending is someone a bunch of us think was his teammate, and then there's a bunch of people he's completely neutral on. It's arbitrary to focus on Marmot, and if he does get lynched today I hope we'll be done with those fake deep reads tomorrow.

If you're aware, then why are you saying that people are ignoring the content on DDL when the dude isn't even on the poll, and even without that content, he's still read as bad?

It's not arbitrary to focus on Marmot when he's on the poll, and most of the others aren't. The section on Marmot does say something. Do you see the "substance posts" he saw from Marmot leading to that post? What do you make of Marmot throwing Mac under the bus? Also, Marmot is the only one from the neutral takes where he awkwardly tries to engage him with a direct question. That's not something you do when you're just giving reads out, especially not to someone who hasn't been posting and also not immediately (like at the start of the day) but instead more than 36 hours in the day. That tells something.

[Enrique]

This is not the first time nutella has said something about me and Enrique has just sheeped it.

How much of Enrique’s content is sheeping?

I pulled the quote from DH first, said it was bad, then nutella agreed for a moment and took it back and then I made a post to tell her that it actually is bad. Cool narrative, though.

Fair enough, sheeping DH then. It makes no odds to my “narrative”.

DH didn’t treat it like a silver bullet. Nutella briefly did for a justified reason - she thought it was identical to other baddie behaviour she’d seen from me. You’re acting like it’s a silver bullet just... because?

Because it reads like you're intentionally playing it safe. Preemptively absolving yourself for not voting SQ even though you know he will turn bad. I'm not asking you to tell me I'm right and out yourself right now, but surely you can see why it looks terrible.

linki: there's the fact that Marmot made like one on topic post among a sea of shitposts. The rest literally doesn't say anything. "That tells something" is not worth anything if you can't tell what that something is.