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Who killed our lovely juliets?

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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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MacDougall wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:10 pm
Turnip Head wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:02 pm I'm a grown ass man I do not need to have pathetic assholes insulting my character because they can't play a game nice and if they want to try then they can deal with the fallout as far as I'm concerned.
If you're a grown ass man you can just shrug it off dude :shrug: Who needs the stress of taking it personally?
This is usually how this goes:

1. Someone insults Mac
2. Mac gets really angry
3. Mac gets really embarrassed about getting really angry
4. Mac goes away
5. Mac comes back and everything is okay again

This time there was a step where I decided to express my anger because I felt like it needed to be said. I am sure that when my blood stops boiling I will feel like a loser as per the usual.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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Yeah I mean I'm suspicious of Enrique but don't have much to say about it, he seems snappy and opportunistic >

DDL has a friendly disposition even as he's slinging crackpot theories which is arguably the coolest way to play as town imo.

INH on the surface feels like he's hiding but then when he does show up I feel like he's exercising real brain muscles to post
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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hey guys, it's me... the mod (who still hasn't been invited to a single crew despite my offer of snacks what the fuck is going on)

On a serious note, please remember that we're all here to have fun. We might not all get along all the time, but that's just because some of us are bad and the rest of us are bad at mafia. Let's celebrate these failures together instead of tearing each other apart :beer: If anyone wants to vent or word vomit or just get their feelings out, come talk to me. I have snacks, after all.


[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] thanks for the mention too.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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Turnip Head wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:23 pm Anyone care to test the waters of a @speedchuck wagon with me? :grin: We can always CFD some random person at the end of the day if he ends up being cool, as is tradition. Right now I feel like he's too cool. He also hasn't been pressured much.

And I spy a lil' Goldenboy on the poll if anyone wants to push that button with me :shifty:
Mmm I'd still vote for speed.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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I think the important thing to remember here is exactly how great I am which is "very".
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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DharmaHelper wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:04 am I think the important thing to remember here is exactly how great I am which is "very".
i can't say it because i'm the mod but can someone tell DH "the biggest failure of all of us is you imo" please?
Lunalee wrote: Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 amQuin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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Quin wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:14 am
DharmaHelper wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:04 am I think the important thing to remember here is exactly how great I am which is "very".
i can't say it because i'm the mod but can someone tell DH "the biggest failure of all of us is you imo" please?
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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Golden wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:00 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:59 pm Spoilers for tomorrow:

I can't immediately recall anything that makes me feel good about Chuck, or TH.
Right now I am in agreement about Turnip Head but if you actually have a look at speedchuck's content it's pretty solid. The only thing that gives me pause about the chuck is that he seems absent from the discourse in an unusual way.
Hot take.

Speed is the third party but is no real threat to the town.
I hear you but like: it's Epi
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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nutella wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:34 am
Golden wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:00 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:59 pm Spoilers for tomorrow:

I can't immediately recall anything that makes me feel good about Chuck, or TH.
Right now I am in agreement about Turnip Head but if you actually have a look at speedchuck's content it's pretty solid. The only thing that gives me pause about the chuck is that he seems absent from the discourse in an unusual way.
Hot take.

Speed is the third party but is no real threat to the town.
I hear you but like: it's Epi
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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Dragon D. Luffy
1 Voters: Enrique


Enrique
0 Voters: None

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2 Voters: Epignosis, MacDougall


nutella
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0 Voters: None

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1 Voters: Golden


This is stupid though. Does anyone have a case on Mac or Golden other than "Meh, screw 'em"?
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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[VOTE: Enrique] aubergine
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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[mention]speedchuck[/mention] my feelings on Golden are about as well documented as I can make them, it feels like he rewrites reality to fit his narrative lol.

speedy who are you looking at the most? Why aren't you more involved? What are you hiding? :smoky:
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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Turnip Head wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 10:26 am @speedchuck my feelings on Golden are about as well documented as I can make them, it feels like he rewrites reality to fit his narrative lol.

speedy who are you looking at the most? Why aren't you more involved? What are you hiding? :smoky:
Oh, you think that's a scum thing. Yes, I have seen you make that argument.
Maybe hindsight is 20-20. I was spectating Courage after I died and screaming at everyone for not following you on Golden, but now I'm not feeling it. :shrug2: I might just be an idiot.

I feel like people have been talking about DDL and Enrique for two in-game days, and we've been stuck with crap lynches that have given us no information instead. That both answers who I'm looking at and why I'm not as involved. Seems like the game has hardly progressed, and it won't progress until we lynch a non-low-poster. Meanwhile people are dying, leaving only the super high posters, no-posters, and strong scumspects alive, which bothers me to no end. I hate arguments like "Epi has survived to day 5, he must be scum" but like... none of them? Not Golden, not Epi, not Mac, not DH?

I've also got RL stuff going on, but you don't want to hear those excuses so I won't deliver them.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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I'm for lynching Enrique over DDL for a few reasons. DDL has been in bad places and said some scummy things, but he seems pretty genuine about what he does. He's one of the highest posters in this game, which is difficult to do as scum.

Check out his last scum game, AssClass:
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Kylemii 397
MacDougall 297
juliets 278
Jackofhearts2005 274
wolbre04 235
Epignosis 216
Dragon D. Luffy 210
Scotty 180
Dyslexicon 166
Long Con 136
Marmot 110
Quin 83
novaselinenever 80
sprityo 57
insertnamehere 46
lapluie 34
sig 24
Pennywise 17
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dunya 14
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DharmaHelper 333
Dragon D. Luffy 313
MacDougall 288
Turnip Head 207
speedchuck 163
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novaselinenever 149
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nutella 111
Lunalee 93
Spacedaisy 85
ColinIsCool 75
Glorfindel 69
Owner of a Lonely Heart 63
Kylemii 53
DrWilgy 43
insertnamehere 40
SokothQultuq 28
Marmot 24
DFaraday 21
sig 20
Quin 9
lapluie 1
Soneji 1
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I don't know. Take JJJ out of the question, and I guess it's not that different. [mention]MacDougall[/mention] was in assclass, I'm curious to whether he sees any parallels.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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. . . Golden probably wouldn't play this game any differently than he is right now. If scum, that is.

A. Focus on the ship mechanics a LOT
B. Become a captain, a position one can gain trust from
C. Pick all townies as crewmates.
D. Make sure all townie crewmates are nice, supatown, trustworthy, and non-mutiny-y
E. Use your 'trust' of your crewmates to make the discussion more about who should be on the poll than scumhunting
F. Use your position as captain to win over your crewmates with money and good BTSC chat
G. Try to get scummy-looking low-posters lynched, like Wilgy
H. When Sokoth becomes an option, don't move to him late. Things are moving fast, and it will look like you know what he is
I. When asked by speedchuck if he should switch to Wilgy rather than SQ, give him a non answer to avoid committing to either side
J. Continue to put Glorf on the poll when winning mission. Protect the townies, earning an odd position
K. When the pressure gets high, quit the captain job as a measure of faith. Would mafia give up power?
L. Use superior arguing skill to shut down TH. Make him one of the targets.
M. Care about the health of the game, so focus early kills on low posters.
N. Be confident in ability to lead town and wiggle out of lynches with emotion or logic. Don't nightkill other high-posters.
O. ???
P. Profit.

This list is not fair to Golden, sure. He'd say that if I didn't. But just off the top of my head, I could see Golden being scum. It's very possible.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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Effective immediately, juliets is replacing sig.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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Juliets, you swan. You beautiful swan.

I owe you a vocaroo post.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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Spacedaisy wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:38 am Effective immediately, juliets is replacing sig.
Terrible shame about having to lynch juliets the moment she subs in.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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hi speed and DH and hi everyone else! I have been reading the very beginning of the game where the captains are picking teams but I don't see any way I can read 58 pages of posts! I'll read the host posts for sure and try to do the rest through iso. Are there any things I should be particularly aware of as I go through them?
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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juliets wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:46 am hi speed and DH and hi everyone else! I have been reading the very beginning of the game where the captains are picking teams but I don't see any way I can read 58 pages of posts! I'll read the host posts for sure and try to do the rest through iso. Are there any things I should be particularly aware of as I go through them?
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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Things to be aware of:

Solo-Qui-Gon-jinn was the only mafia we've managed to lynch so far.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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Turnip Head gives [mention]juliets[/mention] ts a big ole hug and shouts "PLEASE JOIN MY SHIP THE YUN QUI PLEASE "

We have Epignosis, nutella, DDL and myself, we are a fine and fun crew who's a little down on our luck. We lost Colin and Nova RIP but their memory lives on in our ship chat, which you can read because I'm inviting you to our super secret club :shifty:
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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juliets wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:46 am hi speed and DH and hi everyone else! I have been reading the very beginning of the game where the captains are picking teams but I don't see any way I can read 58 pages of posts! I'll read the host posts for sure and try to do the rest through iso. Are there any things I should be particularly aware of as I go through them?
Sokoth got lynched on D2. He was scum. That lynch should be very informative, and you could probably focus some of your reading around that.

The two lynches after that were a little bit garbage-y, mostly because of the poll mechanics in this game.
There are ships with captains, crew, and night missions. If you pass a mission, the captain only has to put one person on the lynch poll the next day. That has caused some problems, both with the poll and with player bickering.

That said, you aren't on a ship and you should get on one so you can have people to talk to at night, when the topic is locked. It'll help you catch up.

Golden and TH are at each other.
Mac is at DDL and Enrique, who are also pitted against each other at the moment.
And the INH suspicion is coming and going in waves.

Oh, and Glorf is locktown, of course.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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Juliets accepts Turnip Heads offer to join the Yun Qui crew.

And thank you guys for the points raised about what's been happening.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 3]

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insertnamehere wrote: Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:29 am This is the requisite mea culpa/self-flagellation about SQ.

There are, to my mind, three reasons why I was resistant to suspect SQ.

1. Lack of familiarity with his gameplay. This was the first game I've been in with him in years. I simply didn't know what to expect, and my instincts were led astray.

2. For the past couple years or so, SQ, Daisy, DH, and I have regularly played together in a Star Trek chatroom game, where SQ plays our captain. I was so used to seeing him in that role, and his posts here highly resembled how he usually posts in that game, and I kinda comfortably conflated the two. Like, SQ's acting like his honorable captain dude in the Star Trek sim, therefore he's probably civilian.

3. He was on the Serenity. After the loss of Mac, (and even before) I wanted to protect my team as much as possible, because it seemed like people were hammering away at it, and our chances of winning missions seemed lower and lower as things progressed. I think that there's an impulse to townread members of your crew in this game. I fell prey to it. I'm a little worried that Golden is falling prey to it right now.

So yeah, I ballsed up. However, I think I had reasonable reasons for doing so.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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[mention]speedchuck[/mention] I can't believe you made it halfway through the alphabet. I can dig it
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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Juliets do you know if sig was mafia or not?
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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Turnip Head wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:08 pm Juliets do you know if sig was mafia or not?
Yes - not mafia.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Sat Aug 21, 2021 3:24 pm Always good to remember that there is no such thing as a Mafia circumstance that is worth real human emotion. Sometimes it will naturally come out, but it can be contained if we just remember that this is a game on a message board forum that 99.99% of the population of the Earth has never heard of before. No matter how successful anyone is, it means just about nothing.

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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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I keep seeing references to Mac - he appears as dead from Daisy's starter posts but he's on the poll? Did he die during the day today?
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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DH Outs SolkothQultuq's Whole Team Part 2:

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insertnamehere wrote: Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:07 pm Going into today, my two top suspects are Luna and Nova.

DDL is shifty, yes, and I don't understand his Enrique case, but the dude is (please don't throw something at me Captain DH) kinda reading possibly genuine for me? I acted smarmy about his non-Luna vote at the end of Day 1, but I understand his reasoning. It's enough for him to slide down a notch on my threat radar.

Nova is just irking me more and more. Super hyper defenses and discrediting other players by insisting that other players are completely discrediting him. Either Nova is correct in that any player who suspects him is living in some other galaxy and that he's the only one with a complete unblinkered view of the reality of this game, or he's the crazy one. (inb4 inh is deliberately misrepresenting me and is therefore bad)

Plus, his SQ case is dumb. DUMB I SAY. His vote switching and unwillingness to go along with me at the end of D1 feels downright malicious IMO.
insertnamehere wrote: Sun Aug 12, 2018 3:00 pm Rainbow list of those on the poll:

Glorfindel - Town read
Golden - Town read
SokothQultuq - Town lean, mainly based on tone
Kylemii - Town lean, mainly based on tone
lapluie - Feel vaguely okay about
Turnip Head - Feel vaguely okay about
DFaraday - Don't know what to think
Marmot - Don't know what to think
DrWilgy - Don't know what to think
speedchuck - Don't know what to think
Dragon D. Luffy - Scum lean, but not super convinced
Lunalee - Scum read

Voted for SQ: N/a
Teammate-o-meter Rating: 45-70%

- Actively called out the case against SQ
- Several pushes to lynch Luna, then Nova which I didn't quote because they don't directly reference SQ
- Townread SQ

Either a massive fuck up on INH's part or a massive baddie Fuck up.
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Glorfindel
Turnip Head
Golden
Dragon D. Luffy

I am more or less indifferent on:
Lunalee
Marmot
lapluie
DFaraday



I am likely to vote one of:
DrWilgy
SokothQultuq
Kylemii
speedchuck
nutella wrote: Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:25 pm Oh, the only people actually voting for DDL are DH, Luna, and Speed. That makes sense. I'm uncomfortable with the lazy jumpers on wilgy and Luna rn. I'm uncomfortable with sokoth's last post for sure.



nutella wrote: Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:28 pm
SokothQultuq wrote: Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:25 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:21 pm
SokothQultuq wrote: Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:54 pm You know after thinking about it further. I can't really drop the hammer on Wilgy just because of lack of Activity and what I have just yet. I think I'll keep him on my list of suspects and : [VOTE: LUNA] for now.

I'll keep an eye on the thread to see if anyone can give me anything that might swing my vote.
So what makes the case on luna better?
For me its substance. She's got more posts to read into. She's kind of been all over the place from the get go in my opinion. But her behavior towards DDL just to dump them mainly based on what I feel is kind of very loose information. I'm not convinced that DDL is bad. And booting them from the crew kind of feels like a gambit to show poise. Get rid of the dead weight, but it also hurts her crew and her chances. So I donno. She's the only one that really stands out other than Wilgy and to me no activity isnt' enough.
"Only one that stands out" oooof that's the most classic bullshit right there.

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juliets wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:23 pm I keep seeing references to Mac - he appears as dead from Daisy's starter posts but he's on the poll? Did he die during the day today?
He replaced Lap, after he originally died D1.
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Oooooh thanks DH.
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Oh btw, I said nutella voted SQ first, she voted him 3rd(ish).

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[[EDITORS NOTE: At some point in D2 TH voted SQ first, then may have switched off him at some point, or may not have.]]
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novaselinenever wrote: Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:27 pm [VOTE: SokothQultuq] aubergine
I mean I really don't want to make this about crews, I'd rather vote based on who I think is suspicious/mafia but I'm 110% not digging the idea of having you guys vote for my guy with no reason behind it given we *just* had the worst possible Day 1 lynch we could have.

But what do I know.
Can you think of a better counterwagon? I assume other people are thinking of voting DDL with you, we should at least have another wagon going or something.
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insertnamehere wrote: Sat Aug 11, 2018 3:07 pmNova is just irking me more and more. Super hyper defenses and discrediting other players by insisting that other players are completely discrediting him.
I think Sokoth's defenses look superer hyperer than Nova's. Nova feels more poised to me.
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DH's analysis numbers so far, in order:

DDL - 80
INH - 45-70%
Golden - 65%
Enrique - 50-65%
Epignosis - 45%-50%
DF - 15-25% (was initially 0%)
nutella - 0-20%
Turnip Head - 15% (probably SK he says)
Glorf - 15% (actually 0% IMO)
Speedchuck - 0-10%

Sig -> Juliets - ???
Lapluie -> Macdougall - ???

Look at his posts if you want deets. Yeet. They aren't hard to find.

I'm actually pretty cool with this list as it stands. DH is substantiating things as he goes, and I agree with most his assessments.
Glorf should be 0%, though, and I dunno how he's quantifying the SK.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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speedchuck wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:41 pm DH's analysis numbers so far, in order:

DDL - 80
INH - 45-70%
Golden - 65%
Enrique - 50-65%
Epignosis - 45%-50%
DF - 15-25% (was initially 0%)
nutella - 0-20%
Turnip Head - 15% (probably SK he says)
Glorf - 15% (actually 0% IMO)
Speedchuck - 0-10%

Sig -> Juliets - ???
Lapluie -> Macdougall - ???

Look at his posts if you want deets. Yeet. They aren't hard to find.

I'm actually pretty cool with this list as it stands. DH is substantiating things as he goes, and I agree with most his assessments.
Glorf should be 0%, though, and I dunno how he's quantifying the SK.
As a note, I haven't done anything RE: Sig or Lap because there's nothing there to do.
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Now to do some score aggregation:

Highest Scores:
DDL - 80%
Golden - 65%
Enrique: 50-65%
Epignosis: 45-50%
INH: 45-70%


23 player game with a SK (22 players left) Means we're comfortably looking at a 4 person Mafia team, yeah?

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INH/GOLDEN/ENRIQUE
Possibly Sig or Lap

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I'd actually lynch INH last out of those, but w/e.
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SQ
DDL
INH/GOLDEN/ENRIQUE
Possibly Sig or Lap

Still allows for enough mislynches (3) to lose everything. We have 2 left I'd guess. Maybe. Depends on exact numbers and 3P.
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Based on interactions with Mac in the ship thread I dunno if Lap is bad. Sig still could be. Between INH/GOLDEN/ENRIQUE I feel much better about lynching Golden, Then Enrique, then INH.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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DharmaHelper wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:53 pm Based on interactions with Mac in the ship thread I dunno if Lap is bad. Sig still could be.
Same. Though I do really like Sig's early posts. His only posts. But that's D1.
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Anyway.
Vote DDL

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Can someone tell me who presented the most comprehensive case on Golden, DDL, and Enrique? I'll then look at the iso of that person or persons. I'm trying to get a feel for why they are in the lead for votes.
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juliets wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:11 pm Can someone tell me who presented the most comprehensive case on Golden, DDL, and Enrique? I'll then look at the iso of that person or persons. I'm trying to get a feel for why they are in the lead for votes.
I dunno about Golden and Enrique but if you want a good idea about (my) DDL suspicion you can feel free to check out this post here

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 94#p477694

- Casually making an excuse for SQ ("He doesn't play very often, that could color how I see his posts"/"If he's a newbie he doesn't look that bad")

- Resisting the SQ lynch ("This is bullshit/Not feeling this SQ Thing")

There's other stuff that I find DDL suspect for but those are the juiciest peaches.
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BT-Dubs fam:

I recognize I'm not going to be able to clinch this thing alone. My analysis was purely "SQ" based, so its not likely I caught anything suspicious that wasn't SQ based. If you guys think anyone slipped up and it didn't hit my analysis because it wasn't directly tied to SQ, hit me up. Lets lynch an actual mafia today.
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DharmaHelper wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:20 pm
juliets wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:11 pm Can someone tell me who presented the most comprehensive case on Golden, DDL, and Enrique? I'll then look at the iso of that person or persons. I'm trying to get a feel for why they are in the lead for votes.
I dunno about Golden and Enrique but if you want a good idea about (my) DDL suspicion you can feel free to check out this post here

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 94#p477694

- Casually making an excuse for SQ ("He doesn't play very often, that could color how I see his posts"/"If he's a newbie he doesn't look that bad")

- Resisting the SQ lynch ("This is bullshit/Not feeling this SQ Thing")

There's other stuff that I find DDL suspect for but those are the juiciest peaches.
Thanks - I will read his iso to see how he replies to yours and maybe other's suspicions.
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It feels like Dfaraday was right about Sokoth and then other than that has been completely absent. That's pretty much why I suspect him :shrug2:
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Turnip Head wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:43 pm It feels like Dfaraday was right about Sokoth and then other than that has been completely absent. That's pretty much why I suspect him :shrug2:
Epi did point out that DF was gone for three days, then came back just to nail down Sokoth. :shrug2:
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 5]

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speedchuck wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:22 am . . . Golden probably wouldn't play this game any differently than he is right now. If scum, that is.

A. Focus on the ship mechanics a LOT
B. Become a captain, a position one can gain trust from
C. Pick all townies as crewmates.
D. Make sure all townie crewmates are nice, supatown, trustworthy, and non-mutiny-y
E. Use your 'trust' of your crewmates to make the discussion more about who should be on the poll than scumhunting
F. Use your position as captain to win over your crewmates with money and good BTSC chat
G. Try to get scummy-looking low-posters lynched, like Wilgy
H. When Sokoth becomes an option, don't move to him late. Things are moving fast, and it will look like you know what he is
I. When asked by speedchuck if he should switch to Wilgy rather than SQ, give him a non answer to avoid committing to either side
J. Continue to put Glorf on the poll when winning mission. Protect the townies, earning an odd position
K. When the pressure gets high, quit the captain job as a measure of faith. Would mafia give up power?
L. Use superior arguing skill to shut down TH. Make him one of the targets.
M. Care about the health of the game, so focus early kills on low posters.
N. Be confident in ability to lead town and wiggle out of lynches with emotion or logic. Don't nightkill other high-posters.
O. ???
P. Profit.

This list is not fair to Golden, sure. He'd say that if I didn't. But just off the top of my head, I could see Golden being scum. It's very possible.
Yes it is unfair, because it plays the hindsight game and ascribes motives to a lot of things where you can do the opposite. There's also plenty here I can't really say whether it's accurate (like, say, C, where I did try to pick all townies but I don't know whether I'm right or not). Lastly there's things (like what I've done with captaincy generally) that I think you're right I would do exactly the same as scum.

But some things that aren't.

E - for people who are in Bonnie Mae, I did try to get scumhunting going, and participate in it. It wasn't overly successful because people didn't engage that deeply in scumhunting at night.
G - I really wasn't 'trying' to get Wilgy lynched, even though I voted there. I was trying to get TH lynched.
I - You didn't ask me, you asked the thread. There was no need for me to say something at all.
K - I definitely didn't do that as a measure of faith, I did it because I was at my wits end. To the extent that I told Daisy I was retiring from mafia after this game. Which I think is mostly true but I might do a DH and play very occasionally.
L - This is an inaccurate representation of the relationship I've had with TH in this game. The one thing that has been most frustrating to me is that people have not pulled on this thread at least enough to understand it - I haven't really argued much with TH at all, his response to my suspicion for the most part was to make fun of me and dismiss my credibility not to engage me. This is, for me, a really critical part of the suspicion. The only time he even started to 'argue' with me or I spent any time using 'superior skills' on this one was yesterday when he decided to say the situation was identical to Courage (and if people think about that one just for a second they'll understand the psychological impact TH gets out of a move like that).
M & N - This is way meta, but I don't and never have cared about the health of the game as scum. In fact I think it's well worth going to the end with people who aren't concentrating at all. I don't think you'd find even one game in which I stay away from killing the high posters, quite the opposite in fact. Having said that, I don't think that's particularly relevant, since you've only provided one possible explanation for those kills and there could be others.

Having said all of this...

I like the angle in which you've broken this down, I think that despite being unfair it's effective, and I'd like to see you keep using it for others. It forces people to defend their actions and motives somewhat.
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I'm not going to be around barely at all this day phase. I have wall to wall meetings today and tomorrow morning as well, with few chances to check in.

If I get lynched such is life. I won't be particularly sad. From now what time I do have I won't be using to address questions aimed at me (at least, I'm going to try to exert that level of self control). I'd rather focus on what I think is bad.
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Re: Firefly, The Game [Day 2]

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DharmaHelper wrote: Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:46 pm Now to do some score aggregation:

Highest Scores:
DDL - 80%
Golden - 65%
Enrique: 50-65%
Epignosis: 45-50%
INH: 45-70%


23 player game with a SK (22 players left) Means we're comfortably looking at a 4 person Mafia team, yeah?

SQ
DDL
INH/GOLDEN/ENRIQUE
Possibly Sig or Lap

Fuckin' case closed lads.
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