Firefly, The Game [GAME OVER]

[DharmaHelper]

DharmaHelper is a civilian. That's what I found out.

Which post did you waste your lie detect on so that no one would lie detect you or your partner TH

[Golden]

DharmaHelper is a civilian. That's what I found out.

Why did you choose to detect DH?

[Epignosis]

DharmaHelper is a civilian. That's what I found out.

Which post did you waste your lie detect on so that no one would lie detect you or your partner TH

I was mislead. The item suggested that I could find lies in a whole post, but I was informed that quotes don't count.

I picked a simple little thing:

Define flushed

I don't think I understand this either DH. I know nova flushed out Sokoth and it seems like Mac flushed out Enrique and I didn't attribute any one person to Faraday. But I could be wrong. I'd love to have a reason to clear you so please explain how you flushed out all three.

I suspected SQ and put him on the poll and he got lynched = Bam got 'em
I suspected Enrique and put him on the poll and he got lynched = Bam got 'em
I couldn't safely say which of my crew was bad, so I did the only logical thing and tanked the last Serenity mission on purpose to put both DF and INH on the poll. DF was bad and got lynched. Got 'em.

Facts are facts fam there would be no mafia lynches without me.

This is a fair point, but I also looked back at the polls and you voted for Luna when Sokoth was lynched and for TH when Enrique was lynched.

I don't like mechanical arguments. When people were accusing me as captain of protecting people in my crew by putting Glorfindel up, I said something along the lines of 'if I'm scum I don't protect my scum buddies in this way', which is true, I wouldn't - instead I'd put out whoever was getting the most heat and if it's my teammate so be it. In fact, I'd probably put my teammates on the poll every day because it's good cred later (as in now). Besides that, it looks like half your crew was scum so you had a pretty high chance of putting one of them on the poll in any event.

Sokoth was lynched as one out of twelve and Enrique as one out of seven. In both cases it went down to the wire and there was no guarantee that person was who was going to go at the start of the day.

There's at least one deepwolf somewhere. I have townread everyone left in the game at some point. Who left is bad has to go beyond mechanics.

I'm not saying this makes you bad DH, I'm just saying I don't buy mechanics as the reason you are good. In my mind I still remember the teammate analysis you did for Sokoth and that's a better indicator for me.

Sorry for being mostly absent in the last phase. I'm going to try to be much more active again in this phase.

My point is I'm good.

[Epignosis]

DharmaHelper is a civilian. That's what I found out.

Why did you choose to detect DH?

Because some of us bitches work and cook and have kids and don't have tie to search threads to find good things when they is just happy enough to have bought a fucking lie detector.

[Golden]

I’m not sure if a no lynch is wise, but we should discuss the pros and cons. It forces mafia to make a kill and narrow our field.

It might depend how certain we end up feeling about people.

[DharmaHelper]

Epi I'm proud of you I'm just so sorry you have to die.

[Epignosis]

Epi I'm proud of you I'm just so sorry you have to die.

We all do.

[Golden]

DharmaHelper is a civilian. That's what I found out.

Why did you choose to detect DH?

Because some of us bitches work and cook and have kids and don't have tie to search threads to find good things when they is just happy enough to have bought a fucking lie detector.

Ok lol. When I was the psionic ninja in world reborn I would spend hours scouring threads and it didn’t help. It’s tough to use well, I think underthinking it is fine.

[DharmaHelper]

Epi why u votin' INH tho

[Epignosis]

DharmaHelper is a civilian. That's what I found out.

Why did you choose to detect DH?

Because some of us bitches work and cook and have kids and don't have tie to search threads to find good things when they is just happy enough to have bought a fucking lie detector.

Ok lol. When I was the psionic ninja in world reborn I would spend hours scouring threads and it didn’t help. It’s tough to use well, I think underthinking it is fine.

juliets agreed with my use, so I'm happy.

[Epignosis]

Epi why u votin' INH tho

To move it off you, dipshit.

[DharmaHelper]

Epi why u votin' INH tho

To move it off you, dipshit.

Yeah but he's 3P and TH is mafia and its Myloooooooooooooooo

[Golden]

Good or bad, the only reason epi would lie about town clearing DH is if they’re bad together. So I’m going to limit any thought of DH being bad to that one scenario.

DDL and TH is a pair I thought were linked a while ago. It might be I had nailed this and went off target.

[Epignosis]

Epi why u votin' INH tho

To move it off you, dipshit.

Yeah but he's 3P and TH is mafia and its Myloooooooooooooooo

It also ain't midnight tomorrow or whatever. I'm not concerned where my vote is right now.

[insertnamehere]

Oh btw I'm gonna vote Turnip Head

I'm 28 minutes 22 seconds into S01E01 of Sharp Objects and I plan to watch at least 3 episodes tonight. Got it paused and gonna grab a drink. Fingers Crossed Epi's got some good shit to sift thru when I get back.

That show's some good shit. Gone Girl meets True Detective Season 1 meets Amy Adams acting her fucking heart out.

Voting Turnip Head.

[Epignosis]

Good or bad, the only reason epi would lie about town clearing DH is if they’re bad together. So I’m going to limit any thought of DH being bad to that one scenario.

DDL and TH is a pair I thought were linked a while ago. It might be I had nailed this and went off target.

I asked my crew to find statements for me to check.

Nobody did that but me.

juliets agreed with my submission. TH I don't think was around.

[DharmaHelper]

Good or bad, the only reason epi would lie about town clearing DH is if they’re bad together. So I’m going to limit any thought of DH being bad to that one scenario.

DDL and TH is a pair I thought were linked a while ago. It might be I had nailed this and went off target.

I asked my crew to find statements for me to check.

Nobody did that but me.

juliets agreed with my submission. TH I don't think was around.

Do you think TH honestly tried to shoot DF as you instructed?

[Epignosis]

Good or bad, the only reason epi would lie about town clearing DH is if they’re bad together. So I’m going to limit any thought of DH being bad to that one scenario.

DDL and TH is a pair I thought were linked a while ago. It might be I had nailed this and went off target.

I asked my crew to find statements for me to check.

Nobody did that but me.

juliets agreed with my submission. TH I don't think was around.

Do you think TH honestly tried to shoot DF as you instructed?

I do.

[DharmaHelper]

Good or bad, the only reason epi would lie about town clearing DH is if they’re bad together. So I’m going to limit any thought of DH being bad to that one scenario.

DDL and TH is a pair I thought were linked a while ago. It might be I had nailed this and went off target.

I asked my crew to find statements for me to check.

Nobody did that but me.

juliets agreed with my submission. TH I don't think was around.

Do you think TH honestly tried to shoot DF as you instructed?

I do.

So who are the mafia to the best of your assessment?

[Epignosis]

Good or bad, the only reason epi would lie about town clearing DH is if they’re bad together. So I’m going to limit any thought of DH being bad to that one scenario.

DDL and TH is a pair I thought were linked a while ago. It might be I had nailed this and went off target.

I asked my crew to find statements for me to check.

Nobody did that but me.

juliets agreed with my submission. TH I don't think was around.

Do you think TH honestly tried to shoot DF as you instructed?

I do.

So who are the mafia to the best of your assessment?

I have to think.

[DharmaHelper]

Good or bad, the only reason epi would lie about town clearing DH is if they’re bad together. So I’m going to limit any thought of DH being bad to that one scenario.

DDL and TH is a pair I thought were linked a while ago. It might be I had nailed this and went off target.

I asked my crew to find statements for me to check.

Nobody did that but me.

juliets agreed with my submission. TH I don't think was around.

Do you think TH honestly tried to shoot DF as you instructed?

I do.

So who are the mafia to the best of your assessment?

Me and TH lol

Oof someone should lie detect that.

[Quin]

Anyway I got sun chips and sprite so I'm gonna dive into some Sharp Objects here for an extended period so I'll leave you with this:

Every civ in every game is chasing a singular moment, a phenomenon I like to call the "Nice! ULTIMATE TOWN!" moment, or "NUT".

As far as I'm concerned, with DFS in the books I already got my nut. The only question remaining is do you want to nut with me, civs? Mylo is not the time to play footsie fuckaround games. Nut with me. Lets NUT together.

please don't there are children watching

[Epignosis]

Good or bad, the only reason epi would lie about town clearing DH is if they’re bad together. So I’m going to limit any thought of DH being bad to that one scenario.

DDL and TH is a pair I thought were linked a while ago. It might be I had nailed this and went off target.

I asked my crew to find statements for me to check.

Nobody did that but me.

juliets agreed with my submission. TH I don't think was around.

Do you think TH honestly tried to shoot DF as you instructed?

I do.

So who are the mafia to the best of your assessment?

Me and TH lol

Oof someone should lie detect that.

Lynch me bitch.

[Epignosis]

"My name is DH, and you shouldn't vote for me because I am responsible for three mafia lynches."

"My name is DH, and you should vote for Epi because he actually fucking voted for two of three mafia and got others to vote for them too."

"I'm DH, and even though I'm a civilian, I can be kind of dumb fam."

[DharmaHelper]

I asked my crew to find statements for me to check.

Nobody did that but me.

juliets agreed with my submission. TH I don't think was around.

Do you think TH honestly tried to shoot DF as you instructed?

I do.

So who are the mafia to the best of your assessment?

Me and TH lol

Oof someone should lie detect that.

Lynch me bitch.

I can't its mylo.

[DharmaHelper]

"My name is DH, and you shouldn't vote for me because I am responsible for three mafia lynches."

"My name is DH, and you should vote for Epi because he actually fucking voted for two of three mafia and got others to vote for them too."

"I'm DH, and even though I'm a civilian, I can be kind of dumb fam."

I am responsible for every mafia lynch IIRC.

And you should vote for TH cuz he's bad

An I'm way dumber than you. Nobody is more dumber than me. First place.

[nutella]

Anyway I got sun chips and sprite so I'm gonna dive into some Sharp Objects here for an extended period so I'll leave you with this:

Every civ in every game is chasing a singular moment, a phenomenon I like to call the "Nice! ULTIMATE TOWN!" moment, or "NUT".

As far as I'm concerned, with DFS in the books I already got my nut. The only question remaining is do you want to nut with me, civs? Mylo is not the time to play footsie fuckaround games. Nut with me. Lets NUT together.

good lord

[Golden]

The way I see it, mylo means there’s two baddies and there’s only four possible teams

DDL/TH
DDL/Epi
TH/Epi
Epi/DH

My plan is to turn to each of those in turn and see if any seem particularly likely or unlikely.

[Golden]

This is something I thought back on day 5 before Enrique was lynched. I haven't re-examined it since then. It's my starting point for analysis of TH/DDL

So, I think my case on TH is actually quite compelling. When I get people to do simple exercises like I did with Mac getting him to just read TH's posts on day 5, he suddenly finds he sees TH as suspicious. To me, it's like people are predisposed to like TH's style and just town read him naturally, but when they actually look deeper or consider my points, they see they're there.

I've had a natural predisposition, I think, to town read those people who seem to genuinely consider what I've said about TH rather than just running past it.

This post was quite significant in my continued town read of DDL:

Eh I don't put much stock for or against the nova conspiracy theory. A vote is a vote, it may carry ill intent but it also contains WIFOM.

I kind of not feel so good about nova yesterday. I wanna lynch either him or TH.

I also found both Nova and TH bad at that time. Although I preferred lynching TH to Nova. This post was on Day Three, so by that point you'd expect this suspicion to be fairly well formed and I would have assumed the basis for DDL wanting to lynch these two is that he had read, understood and agreed with (at least enough) my case on TH.

I also forgot that he framed it this way around... Nova preferred to TH. I only noticed this now.

But by day five it's this:

So I get the impression that both Golden and TH are mostly just complaining about how the other doesn't understand/listen to them.

Now, I could understand a turn around on a read of someone. I'm not upset about the inconsistency. What doesn't make sense to me is that he goes from essentially agreeing with my case (it was me pushing the Nova/TH link) to suggesting it lacks substance and is just be complaining.

Most importantly, day three was also the day that Dr Wilgy has lynched when I tried hard to get TH lynched. I've long suspected there is a save going in on TH on that day. The Enrique CFD swapped who was leading that lynch from TH to Wilgy. At the time I suspected Nova primarily. I already had that idea in my head. I could see DDL had done a similar thing, but I already had my town read reinforced in my head.

But actually - DDL was a key part of the CFD on to Enrique and then the move back to Wilgy. And where at the start of that very day he was saying his preferred lynches were Nova or TH, by the end he didn't vote TH at all and was a key part of the end of day actions that saved him.

So, I've been looking for who I think TH's teammates are for ages - and I've just realised that I've been spending a lot of effort saying I don't think it's DDL and I think I've been completely wrong.

I'm going to vote [VOTE: Dragon D Luffy] aubergine. And assuming he comes back bad, I hope that people will be willing to give TH a serious examination tomorrow, because I think there are big signs of teammate compatibility here.

[Golden]

Btw that day was basically Enrique vs TH vs DDL if I remember correctly and if it was a three baddie lynch that's insane.

[Golden]

DDL also flipped off TH to Enrique at the same time I did when he was actually lynched.

Question for all comers - if you were a teammate of Enrique and TH in this particular game, would you favour lynching one over the other? If so, who would you favour?

[Golden]

You know you need a very long break from mafia when people try to lynch you on Day 0 and you feel relieved.

This is ironic.

[Golden]

Rather than a big case post, I'm just posting things mostly as I go that I find notable. I'm mostly trying to focus on the dynamics between living players, but if something jumps out at me regarding dead mafia I'll mention that too.

DDL and TH were the two people strongly defending Nova against my early attacks. DDL did it as someone familiar with Nova, and it made sense to me in the moment. I never made sense of why TH did it. Might make sense as a teammate.

DDL was happy to be on Enrique early and often. Enrique goes after him too. Neither of them actually end up on each other except for DDL's last minute switch when Enrique is lynched. So, if they were bad together, it's definitely strong distancing and bussing but it's feasible I think, there's no signs of a sustained push to get the other out.

After day zero and one, DDL has no mentions or interactions with either Epi or TH that I find notable. Back after dinner.

[Golden]

DDL didn't like the Sokoth train. Once he said that he was probably committed to it if bad, and he did see it through.

Luna and speed are the ones I feel best about out of that lynch.

I don't feel that good about Luna, she was kind of hesitating about voting Sokoth, until I told her it was self-defense, and even then she took ser sweet time.

I think there are a few who look worse though. Namely nova, DH, Colin and maybe you too.

TH also gives me chills because he disappeared from the game right before the Sokoth wagon started.

DDL, explain this. Why would it give you chills that TH disappeared from the thread just before the Sokoth wagon started? Apparently TH was first or second on the train...

This is the point where DDL started agreeing with me on the Nova/TH suspicion.

There's this going on too:

I hope we see you on the poll again soon Luffy. Real soon.

This is cute but explain

and this:

Let's revive my old case

[VOTE: Enrique] aubergine

and this:

I decided I'm tired of waiting for Wilgy to come and play. Voting for him.

I still think Enrique is bad but the little voice in my head tells me I could be full of shit. Wilgy has done shady stuff and is also less valuable based on his contribution so far.

Sorry Wilgy.

That post is almost too self-referential to be true. But it's the kind of thing that would cause lolchat for mafia.

Then there's general stuff provaricating on TH. This is a good microcosm:

TH could be a good lynch but it feels like lynching someone just because he's weird.

Granted Wilgy is the same but he had the Sokoth thing at least.

Then all of the CFD Enrique, CFD Wilgy, taking TH from 8-7 up to 10-5 down stuff.

Day three looks bad on DDL if you take it solely from an interaction basis.

[Golden]

At this point in reading I feel like DDL is calm, measured, funny. I don't see any sign of tension even when he's suspected. That's a factor in his favour, and it's one I let myself look past on nutella in favour of being solely interactions-focussed. Given how much heat DDL has taken, he's remarkably unfussed.

But, to this point... the interactions do look bad if he's on a team with TH, or really just with Enrique. There's still nothing of any particular relevance that I noticed regarding epi.

[Golden]

I think it's worth looking at the Enrique side of the DDL thing. The DDL side isn't spew clearing him as being teammates with DDL but sometimes I see him quote enrique and wonder if the Enrique side does. It seems more acrimonious. Bookmark for later, anyway.

[Golden]

Mac, you're a conspiracy theorist. If you're so sure DDL and I are partners why don't you vote for the one on the poll who has a vote?

linki- pathetic trolling

Hey bro chill.

I haven't decided what I think of this yet.

Then there's a whole incident where TH fires DDL from the Yun Qui for posting something from the ship chat which for me at the time felt petty.

DDL has his day 5 emotional melt down. It feels real. Actually I wasn't around much on day 5 and a whole lot of the content here is new to me.

After day 5 DDL feels so genuine in his reads of TH and basically everything....

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It probably got too late and I rushed the end. But here are my basic conclusions with DDL.

There is no reason he would not be compatible with Epi
Up until day 5 he is very compatible with TH. End of D5, day 6 I think less so. Then he sort of goes back to stuff that is quite wifom around TH.
There's nothing in his iso that indicated incompatability with known baddies but I think in particular it's worth checking Enrique for reverse interactions with him.

His overall tone feels town to me. So I lean good but there's nothing in there which I'd qualify as a hard clear. If bad, I'd say it's more likely with Epi than TH based on that read. TH is more of a wifom/tinfoily teammate, they'd have had to be up to shit. DDL basically ignored Epi all game it feels like, but that just means possible not particularly leaning that way.

[Golden]

And that's me done for tonight. I'll do Epi next and TH last I think. But I can't handle all of them in one go.

[Golden]

Neither DDL nor TH have checked in yet today.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

<checks in>
<leaves>

I have no suspects left and I'm not particularly interested in busting my ass to get one now. Got stuff to do.

Later folks.

[Turnip Head]

Rip sweet jules

[Turnip Head]

DDL and TH were the two people strongly defending Nova against my early attacks. DDL did it as someone familiar with Nova, and it made sense to me in the moment. I never made sense of why TH did it. Might make sense as a teammate.

Nova was on my ship and we shared similar suspicions. If you can't make sense of why we would try to work together then you're not looking hard enough. A townie golden should very much understand this especially since you were also a captain and also tried to surround yourself with people you wanted to work with.

[DharmaHelper]

I'll read that shit later

[DharmaHelper]

Anyway why is it a question who we're lynching today?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Anyway why is it a question who we're lynching today?

Why is TH bad?

[DharmaHelper]

The team is DDL/TH

They killed Juliets because if they'd killed me or Golden or INH, that would have outted DDL.

[DharmaHelper]

Fuckin checkmate goddamn I'm too good at this

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Mafia has to kill juliets because she is fucking Glorf.

Next.

Why is TH bad?

[DharmaHelper]

Mafia has to kill juliets because she is fucking Glorf.

Next.

Why is TH bad?

Who should I vote for instead, DDL? Who do you suspect are the mafia?

[DharmaHelper]

I made a comment in the ship thread about considering buying the lie detector and DDL responded along the lines of "Well, you'll get Nked for saying that"

So like

Who was gonna NK me DDL


Who knew I said that DDL

What was the joke DDL