Mega Man Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Turnip Head]

I'm sure we could find some time to lynch K-Ness at some point

[DharmaHelper]

Don’t take DH’s tactic as personal Kness. I think he’s just putting his foot where it can fit

I hope its not taken as personal, I just spent like two years climbing out of that rabbit hole and would appreciate a game that doesn't kick me right back down lol

[DharmaHelper]

DH, what do you make of the people voting marmot currently?

Haven't read up on them, don't rightly know. I'm trying to wrap my head around the Marmot case itself since that's the prevailing theory (it seems anyway) I'll get more player-specific at some undetermined point.

[sprityo]

My towncore is Dizzy, TH, and DH

[Jackofhearts2005]

My towncore is Dizzy, TH, and DH

The towncore was always Jack, Mac, Nutella.

[DharmaHelper]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?



So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

My post-to-availability is actually very high thank you very much.

I really like that post from Sloonei more than I like the case against him. Unfortunately, I don't have time to read the link you posted Sloonei.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

No ties please (don't listen to turnipface).

Anyway those are Marmots "interactions with Luna"

1) A very Marmot goof boi post
2) He votes for her based on his understanding of some post Sloonei made.

From those 2 posts, Marmot is a "must-lynch"? Or are you, my children, trippin'.

[sprityo]

So Jack is the Towncore? Just Jacc?

[DharmaHelper]

Step 1 - Night Kill the fuck out of inactive players
Step 2 - Lynch whoever the fuck we want based on whatever the fuck we want because the players we don't Nightkill will be like "yeah that is in the thread therefore it makes sense to do that"

[DharmaHelper]

Step 1 - Night Kill the fuck out of inactive players
Step 2 - Lynch whoever the fuck we want based on whatever the fuck we want because the players we don't Nightkill will be like "yeah that is in the thread therefore it makes sense to do that"

Active players, that should say on #1

[sprityo]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?



So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

My post-to-availability is actually very high thank you very much.

I really like that post from Sloonei more than I like the case against him. Unfortunately, I don't have time to read the link you posted Sloonei.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

No ties please (don't listen to turnipface).

Anyway those are Marmots "interactions with Luna"

1) A very Marmot goof boi post
2) He votes for her based on his understanding of some post Sloonei made.

From those 2 posts, Marmot is a "must-lynch"? Or are you, my children, trippin'.

So you think Marmot is town and in extrapolation, Gemini man, and used his power to save himself?

[Turnip Head]

DH there's really no way we live in a reality where Marmot is civ. The case against him has been repeated and built on for half the game by various sources and he's sort of shrugged it off, then he outright trolled us in the last lynch.

The devil is in the details with how he handled what ended up becoming the Luna lynch and then how he behaved yesterday, which up until the last minute looked like he was going to be the one lynched.

Maybe you had to see it play out in real time to understand it, idk. He's guilty af tho

[sprityo]

Right, you didn’t even quote the part where he tried some weird counter wagon on me?

[speedchuck]

Speed, lay down that Sprityo case you teased.

Yeah okay it'll take a bit

[DharmaHelper]

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Let’s just sort some shit.

Bullzeye - Bad vibes but he appears to be trying the correct townie amount to make things happen if that makes sense. I suspect this is a stylistic clash but it’s hard to tell having not played with him before. Slight townlean. Merits ISO.

ColinIsCool - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance killed by the mafia. Suspected Sloonei in a way that gained him some flack so possible vig hit as well. (Dare I consider a sker on the Syndicate?) Slight scumlean but probably consensus town.

DFaraday - Null. Come on, DF.

Dom - Null. Come on, Dom.

DrWilgy - Null. Come on, Doc.

Infected_alien8_ - Bad vibes. Kinda ignored them cause he’s new to me. Scumlean. Merits ISO.

JaggedJimmyJay - Destroyed Night 1. 50% chance of being the mafia hit. Acting different from normal so there’s a chance he was a vig hit. Few players flat out said Jay was bad, though. Townread.

K-Ness - Need more. Slight townlean.

Kylemii - Null. Come on, Kyle.

Long Con - Feels right. I sense town effort, not scum agenda. Townread.

Lunalee - Her willingness to defend her hubby who is statistically unlikely to be her scum partner feels town motivated but I still need more from her. Townlean.

MacDougall - Initially felt very town for mindmeld and aggression but I’m wavering a bit. Townlean.

Marmot - Null. Come on, Marmot.

novaselinenever - Townlean. Votes poured in on him too quickly and his reaction seemed genuine.

nutella - Townlean. Very loose. A bit swingy but that’s Nutella sometimes.

Quin - Townread. It’s a secret why.

Simon - Null. Come on, Simon. Likely not w/w with Sloonei.

Sloonei - I’ve gone back and forth. Overall, there’s not much in the way of red flags but I consider myself pretty bad at reading Sloonei. I think I may have identified a scumSloonei tendency but I’m keeping it in my back pocket. Slight townlean.

speedchuck - Null. Hasn’t really said much besides naysaying some shit. Come on, Speed.

Soneji - Null. Come on, Soneji.

sprityo - Townlean. It’s a secret from everyone.

Turnip Head - Scumlean. I don’t see the town/neutral TH I’m used to seeing. For someone so excited about this game, he hasn’t been very present.

White - Null. Has this slot posted?



So I’d probably shoot an inactive if it were up to me.

Nice analysis Jack. I would bet there's at least one mafia among the low/lazy-posters. We should look into DFaraday, Dom, Dr. Wilgy, Alien, K-Ness, Kylemii, Marmot, Simon, Speedchuck, Soneji, and sprityo.

(ignoring White for now. they aren't even playing)

That is sort of a long list, but I think it's a good place to start. I'll add my own analyses later.

My post-to-availability is actually very high thank you very much.

I really like that post from Sloonei more than I like the case against him. Unfortunately, I don't have time to read the link you posted Sloonei.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

No ties please (don't listen to turnipface).

Anyway those are Marmots "interactions with Luna"

1) A very Marmot goof boi post
2) He votes for her based on his understanding of some post Sloonei made.

From those 2 posts, Marmot is a "must-lynch"? Or are you, my children, trippin'.

So you think Marmot is town and in extrapolation, Gemini man, and used his power to save himself?

I dunno if he's Gemini and saved himself or if he got saved by a Gemini that voted for Simon. Either way I shake it "Marmot is bad because he's shitposting" and "Marmot is bad because he has 2 total posts that have anything to do with Luna" look to me like the town is getting rooked into voting for a guy the mafia know won't bother to defend himself.

[DharmaHelper]

Right, you didn’t even quote the part where he tried some weird counter wagon on me?

I wasn't asked to. I was asked to look at his Luna interactions.

[Jackofhearts2005]

So Jack is the Towncore? Just Jacc?

Your membership is pending but our printer is out of paper.

[speedchuck]

Right, you didn’t even quote the part where he tried some weird counter wagon on me?

Technically that's not a Luna interaction. (which I vaguely pointed him at)

If you want DH to get the case, SHOW IT TO HIM

[sprityo]

Right, you didn’t even quote the part where he tried some weird counter wagon on me?

I wasn't asked to. I was asked to look at his Luna interactions.

[sprityo]

Right, you didn’t even quote the part where he tried some weird counter wagon on me?

I wasn't asked to. I was asked to look at his Luna interactions.

I suppose someone should’ve asked you to look at the end of day 3 as a whole because that’s part of the suspicion on him

[Jackofhearts2005]

Step 1 - Night Kill the fuck out of inactive players
Step 2 - Lynch whoever the fuck we want based on whatever the fuck we want because the players we don't Nightkill will be like "yeah that is in the thread therefore it makes sense to do that"

Active players, that should say on #1

You aren’t supposed to post this to the thread.

[sprityo]

Right, you didn’t even quote the part where he tried some weird counter wagon on me?

Technically that's not a Luna interaction. (which I vaguely pointed him at)

If you want DH to get the case, SHOW IT TO HIM

(Who made the case again)

[Turnip Head]

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] well I don't recommend ISO'ing Marmot in that way cuz you have to look at his actions within the context of what was happening in the thread at the time. It was 6-5 Sloonei vs Luna and he tried to get a sprityo wagon going, despite apparently being suspicious of Sloonei and then later voting Luna after it was clear she was gonna hang.

[DharmaHelper]

Right, you didn’t even quote the part where he tried some weird counter wagon on me?

I wasn't asked to. I was asked to look at his Luna interactions.

I suppose someone should’ve asked you to look at the end of day 3 as a whole because that’s part of the suspicion on him

It seems like every time I find a part of the Marmot case untenable a new part of the case pops into everyone's heads.

"Hey, I just read here that you guys think Marmot was maybe silenced and that's suspicious? But like, Marmot's always a fart-in-the-wind kind of player tho?"

"Nah DH look at his Luna interactions fam"

"The two posts here? These two posts? He voted for Luna tho..."

"Nah DH, peep that awk counter-wagon."

"...why?"

"Nah DH Check out the end of Day 3. That's the real case."

"Couldn't you have just said that? Why did no one say that?"

[DharmaHelper]

Step 1 - Night Kill the fuck out of inactive players
Step 2 - Lynch whoever the fuck we want based on whatever the fuck we want because the players we don't Nightkill will be like "yeah that is in the thread therefore it makes sense to do that"

Active players, that should say on #1

You aren’t supposed to post this to the thread.

GET IN CHAT BEFORE REY BLOCKS MP AND OUR KILL

A joke that no one here will get but that makes me incredibly happy every time

[DharmaHelper]

@DharmaHelper well I don't recommend ISO'ing Marmot in that way cuz you have to look at his actions within the context of what was happening in the thread at the time. It was 6-5 Sloonei vs Luna and he tried to get a sprityo wagon going, despite apparently being suspicious of Sloonei and then later voting Luna after it was clear she was gonna hang.

Why did no one say this an hour ago when I asked what the fucking deal was.

[sprityo]

We assumed you would find what we know? assumptions are killer I guess

[DharmaHelper]

Yall are wild.

[DharmaHelper]

Anyway gonna go make lunch but thanks for pointing me to Marmot's Sloonei interactions they were very helpful

[Turnip Head]

@DharmaHelper well I don't recommend ISO'ing Marmot in that way cuz you have to look at his actions within the context of what was happening in the thread at the time. It was 6-5 Sloonei vs Luna and he tried to get a sprityo wagon going, despite apparently being suspicious of Sloonei and then later voting Luna after it was clear she was gonna hang.

Why did no one say this an hour ago when I asked what the fucking deal was.

idk dude maybe we were busy talking about other things until we realized we had to hold your hand

[sprityo]

Note to self: give DH instructions barney style

[sprityo]

Luckily we have another day to finalize our vote

I like what we got today

Just want to hear from LC and Dizzy now and I can rest easy

[DharmaHelper]

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Counter-counter wagon engaged!

I like the vote and would be willing to entertain it. But it seems people are not budging from the two established wagon at the moment. Care to expand on why this your vote?

Because his suspicion of you is circumstantial, and his treatment of you henceforth is based on that predetermined idea. This is based on only a few posts as I'm not fully caught up.

As for a Sloonei vote, I'm mildly interested. sprityo's concern was that you're pushing the narrative (which is not uncommon from you), but I haven't seen that in what I;ve read.

What I have not seen yet are reasons for Lunalee votes. Can anyone point me to those? Turnip Head, care to give a reason why I should force a tie with my vote?

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Counter-counter wagon engaged!

I like the vote and would be willing to entertain it. But it seems people are not budging from the two established wagon at the moment. Care to expand on why this your vote?

Because his suspicion of you is circumstantial, and his treatment of you henceforth is based on that predetermined idea. This is based on only a few posts as I'm not fully caught up.

As for a Sloonei vote, I'm mildly interested. sprityo's concern was that you're pushing the narrative (which is not uncommon from you), but I haven't seen that in what I;ve read.

What I have not seen yet are reasons for Lunalee votes. Can anyone point me to those? Turnip Head, care to give a reason why I should force a tie with my vote?

a luna case
I also should look at her posts from this day phase, because I haven't loved her activity again.

I really like that post from Sloonei more than I like the case against him. Unfortunately, I don't have time to read the link you posted Sloonei.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

No ties please (don't listen to turnipface).

Thank you for asking me to read Marmot's posts in context Turnip Head that really put things in perspective for me

1. Marmot's vote for Sprityo, and his "mild interest" in a Sloonei vote although he says "I haven't seen [a reason to suspect you] in what I've read"
2. Sloonei provides Marmot with the Luna case he asked for
3. Marmot votes for Luna based on the case that he was provided

And this is proof that Marmot is bad how?

This Marmot case is primo-garbo fam. This ain't it. Nextorino, Passamundo.

[DharmaHelper]

Wait no, Marmot says he didn't read the link, but he likes the post from Sloonei more than the case against him.

What post
what


See this is more compelling to me than whatever you guys were saying.

[sprityo]

the post from sloonei versus my case that i made against him?

[DharmaHelper]

the post from sloonei versus my case that i made against him?

I still need lunch but I think Marmot was referencing these posts here:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 08#p485208 and the post directly under it

Marmot asked for a compelling reason to vote for Luna, and Sloonei gave it to him?

PRIMO-GARBO fam.

[DharmaHelper]

Grub time.

[sprityo]

Spoiler: show

alright then, I accept your verdict DH. You say Marmot isn't scum because he asked sloonei for a case, agreed with that case, and voted accordingly. Although I still got the heeby jeebies.

Then where are you gonna look next?

[speedchuck]

Spoiler: show

I can’t jusge this impartially right now, so I need others to offer their input:
Mac’s primary activity on Day 1 was to smear me. He did other things and made lots of noise, but I don’t think it’s unfair to say that I was his #1 suspect.

Mac was subsequently nightkilled. My instinct was to look out for people who would then turn that kill against me. I expressed this early in the day.

sprityo, who hadn’t touched me all game, then comes along to declare me his top suspect because I had expressed my theory about potentially being framed by Mac’s death. I don’t think it was at all unreasonable for me to feel that way, and I’d have no reason not to share that opinion with the thread. sprityo, however, suggests that there’s “no reason” for me to share it if I’m town. I don’t buy that part especially.

What’s more, he hasn’t identified anything in Mac’s suspicion against me that he agrees with. I’d like to see him at least try to do that. But for now I get the sense of a baddie making a concerted effort to spin a case against an established suspect (me). I do not get the sense that sprit has carefully considered my position in any of my posts. Instead it feels to me like he just seized onto a suspicion that already existed and is using that as his authority to suspect me.

Can anyone else see that, or am I just being too defenice here?

Does he need to carefully consider all angles? His accusation is pretty clear and simple. Didn't you also say that Mac had no real reason to suspect you? How would Sprit agree with something that isn't really there? (If you didn't say this, then my mistake, but I seem to remember something like that, you complaining that Mac didn't really have a reason). You're setting up tasks to players who suspect you. Who do you believe is mafia?

Holy crap on a crap sandwich, how had I not noticed that?

Sloondawg trying to tear apart the case, taking full advantage of Mac's absence and unsupported intuition. Nobody can suspect him based on Mac, because mac died before substantiating. Killing Mac early would be super beneficial because of that, and clever as heckll. Now if we point to the Mac read, he can just ask "Why though?" Genius (If he did it).

Find this odd because i KNOW i said something about mac not having any suspicions when i first talked to sloonei. idk why chuck made a big deal about it then.

Side note: Hope this isn't part of your case against me, Sprit, because you MAJOR misinterpreted this post.

[sprityo]

I dont have a case against you speed, i have gut suspicions, but no case

[speedchuck]

I dont have a case against you speed, i have gut suspicions, but no case

Oh.

Right back atcha fam. But yeah, I'll accept gut suspicions. Makes sense. I've been pretty slimy for the past few days.

[sprityo]

I dont have a case against you speed, i have gut suspicions, but no case

Oh.

Right back atcha fam. But yeah, I'll accept gut suspicions. Makes sense. I've been pretty slimy for the past few days.

[speedchuck]

Okay, I might have a little more. Just a tiny bit.

SPRITYO READ TIME

Starting on D3 after Sprit stopped being like "hey buddy have some flowers", and also after the Luna lynch (which might be a mistake, but I added some notes at the bottom based on my memory.) Why start here? It was when I first got pinged.

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

So, looking through sprityo's ISO, he's being ridiculously friendly, and really sticking to the schtick so far. I don't like it, it might be designed to disarm us and view him as a friend. Is that far-fetched?

Friend sloonei, I want to believe in you, but im also having a hard time understanding how you go from defending yourself, to ISO walls, to text walls defending yourself again. The ISOs just cluttered my head trying to read through and I didnt necessarily see any congruent pattern/reason to them. But it looks like your hard work has paid off, your persistence on the truth has prevailed! It would appear though that the three voting you havent returned/wont return. I should see why theyre voting you, although i remember you saying yourself "nutella has provided why shes voting me" or something close to that. People are also talking about Eloh being suspicious but i cant recall anything shes said to be present really! Can someone just point to me exactly the post where Eloh is looking bad?

Just, this whole post... what the hell even is it? Read it through, and decide how much says absolutely nothing. And, for a single paragraph, it really jumps around in context, despite the confusing "But it looks like your hard work has paid off, your persistence on the truth has prevailed!" Like, is this a joke that I just am not getting?

Spoiler: show

I assumed Mac was just doing his usual antagonistic thing with me at first but now he seems to be sincerely riding the "everything Sloonei does is bad" train, I assume because it worked in Greece. But here it's all just fart butter and I wouldn't care about it one bit if it wasn't directed at me.

I'd prefer not to spend the rest of the phase defending myself though. Haters can hate. I'm a player, and players play.

There are several other people suspicious of you. You have been suspicious. Fart butter is a better description of your play than mine.

I refer only to your suspicion as fart butter. I’m not sure what its origins are or even what the main points are. You’ve just been highlighting posts of mine and saying “bad” because that worked in Ancient Greece. Nutella substantiated her read. LC did as well, even though I think part of that is a misunderstanding. Colin is bad. Jack’s a wildcard. You’re jusr dragging suspicion out of everything I say and it’s exhausting to try to address that at every point.

I stopped my analysis because i’m in school now and I have work to do and should also probably go to sleep at some point.

Nutella and LC substantiated their reads?

How much substantiation does a day 1 case require to not be fart butter?

Let's talk about Colin more because I agree with you.

Correction! mac has agreed with sloonei about colin and also has voiced a suspicion of eloh. although he just hasnt changed his vote either. how odd

This one gives me suspicious feelings. I feel like he should be whistling innocently at the end.

k
i also don't like eloh this game rn

you'll be in agreement with others once youre caught up!

Uncomfortable push of the Elohcin wagon. I just don't like it.

So, what are we dealing with here? Closed setup, and we don't even know which roles are on the bad team.

So, what is the method of catching someone on Day 1? Ask questions and hope someone slips up?

Create a whirlwind of a thread by facilitating maximal activity. Ask questions, make comments, and hurl accusations at every opportunity. The thread needs to be a pressured and even stressful environment.

I ain’t got no time fo’ dat today so y’all get busy.

So in other words, "y'all get started and get the dirty work done and I will come back in here before the vote and make my assessment on which bandwagon I should jump on." Sounds bad to me. My first accusation is on YOU. Not only just this post. But, this post was given at12:54am. You then go on posting frequently until 3:08am. That is over 2 hours. And you have no time to ask questions, make comments, hurl accusations? There was no opportunity for that? Then you must have slept or something because you came back in the early pm posting exactly 9 hours later. At 1:48pm you talk about what you will do once you feel like actually playing the game. Again, you post frequently for 1 hour (1:48pm-2:42pm) not really saying anything. I do NOT like Jay in Mega-Man, I do not like him, Sam-I-Am.

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@Jack - I always post early on and often. I just don't often say much game related crap because I am too busy trying to keep up with the reading in the little bit of time I have to devote to mafia.

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out of 7 posts this must be the one! I will say it looks forced, yes. nothing about this seems to flow smoothly.

Too many words. That is how i would see it. It looks suspicious yes, but eloh has now dropped off the radar. Do you interpret that as intentional or not?

These reasons are so subjective and weak. And finishing with the leading question... just ugly. I'm done, and I'm voting sprityo. [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

The laugh struck me as just awful, tonewise, before I even read LC's post.

Let’s start with chuck and jack I’ve got them both in my “to do later” pile. I also think bullseye a town lean? I should go see where you’re finding your reasoning for having him red

Day freakin' four and you've got two of the only non-sloonei people that are often present in your to-do-laters? I get it when townies tunnel, but Sprit only started sorting us after Sloonei got nightkilled. It doesn't fit with his seemingly-genuine attitude toward the game.

Spoiler: show

Reiterating the main point of my sprityo suspicion:

Spoiler: show

But for now I get the sense of a baddie making a concerted effort to spin a case against an established suspect (me). I do not get the sense that sprit has carefully considered my position in any of my posts. Instead it feels to me like he just seized onto a suspicion that already existed and is using that as his authority to suspect me.

Can anyone else see that, or am I just being too defenice here?

Here's the unlikely scenario:

Sloonei is town, he gets pursued by mac who is not someone to back down off his intuition. Sloonei isnt lynch, much to mac's dismay. then during the night, mac still paints him as someone bad, essentially a guarantee he's gonna try to lynch sloonei on day2. He even goes as far as to taunt sloonei to kill him. Mafia kills mac and waits for someone to attack sloonei.

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so would mafia kill mac to blame sloonei? or would sloonei kill mac to take the pressure and focus off himself?

This is an even worse result than the Day 1 result.

You are so evil and villainous and it offends me that you survived day one.

Please move past this.

You are asking me to play the game in ignorance of all my intuition and instincts?

Just kill me. Dr Manhattan taking out Rorschach style.

I can only think of myself, so I assumed Mac was killed to make me look bad.

This is part of a much longer post in which sprit responds to some previous accusations I had made. What I especially do not like in this post is his categorization of the hypothetical situation in which I would be town. He describes it as an " unlikely scenario", but the events he goes on to describe are A) not all that unusual and B) hardly involve me at all. My challenge to him was that he did not seem to be considering my side but was just pounding home an argument against me. This post only strengthened that feeling. His argument is about things going on around me, and he frames everything negatively against me. This is textbook tunneling. Given the context, in which I believed, and still believe, that I would have been a lynch priority for the mafia team, I take this to be more of a bad look than a good look for sprit.

I would like to hear more thoughts from him today. He has apparently held onto some of this suspicion despite Lunalee flipping scum. I don't recall him having much to say in other areas of the game.

Sloondawg had some suspicions for us as well.

Good thoughts Sloon. Some I agree with, some I don't.

admittedly, I like it too. it's decent enough. Maybe you're not bad sloon. Just Maybe. MAYBE you made a careless post and I took it the wrong way.

This is after Sloon does a pretty detailed reading of the state of the game. Just... I don't know. I feel like if Sprit was genuinely considering dropping the read, he'd actually do something about all the very important shrugs in his readlist.

part of me wants you guys to try to lynch me, to ultimately look like idiots and I get the last laugh

but we're still down on active players so I shouldnt be lazy like that.

I dont think anyone is able to replace in after dying anyways

Don't like. I never like this kind of post.

Fun fact: did you guys know I’ve only ever been night killed once? It was night one of blue velvet mafia

I’m just always lynched, it’s so weird. It’s like the inverse of JJJ

What is this even FOR? "Guys if you even suspect me a little that's normal, I only get lynched, not nightkilled. Townie me isn't townie enough." That's my line, Sprit. You can't use it.

Also I don’t think it was brought up, but Simon obviously wasn’t the vig. We could GUESS that Jack is the big. And he used his power (or was forced to use his power) on colin maybe?

Jack, GTH would you have killed Colin after day 1 given the chance?

What kinda question is this?

That's a good freaking question.

The obvious plan, the probable popular plan, will be to lynch Marmot. Any discussion should consider that as a starting point.

Yes, then we can decide whether we have anything else reasonable to go off. If not we start removing the inactives. Choices on who to lynch from the inactives will give us more to go off of.

Going after inactives sounds like the quickest way to lose lol what's wrong with you. We can do better.

Or for him to win? (Not all of these are relevant and it weakens my case to quote them but I'm having fun.)

we got like an hour and a half until day start i think. I'm going to sleep its 130 am

I can honestly not tell what the results of tonight are gonna be. But if theres a baddy amongst the "active" players. I have a gut read for sloonei and jack rn. speedchuck has been quieter than i'd like to admit lately. and I THINK I can trust LC. probably. Dizzy is Cool in my book, bullzeye is probably town. TH is a root vegetable. I wish Dom were here.

Is this like a scumread on Jack? What changed between here and the GTH?

What does the nightkill tell us besides what Quin said. The baddies have killed virtually everyone with a high post count. We know they’re not than likely have a syndicate regular on their team having targetted jay, then mac, Nutella, Sloonei.

The mafia team must be pretty cowardly if they’re hiding among the inactives. Purposefully trying to kill off everyone playing the game to easily secure lynched in their favor.

Either way we need to lynch marmot, in regards to Gemini man [VOTE: marmot] aubergine

Does the Sloonei nightkill clear anyone/make them look better.

I was honestly expecting dizzy with how town they’ve been acting. Mafia had a perfect setup to keep Sloonei alive so why now?

I'm viewing from in the tunnel, and can't decide whether this looks genuine or like the most fake thing ever.

"Nonsensical, Cowardly, mafia team. I insult their tactics. Pah! I am not one of them!"

Also this is a silly reason to lynch Marmot.

we got like an hour and a half until day start i think. I'm going to sleep its 130 am

I can honestly not tell what the results of tonight are gonna be. But if theres a baddy amongst the "active" players. I have a gut read for sloonei and jack rn. speedchuck has been quieter than i'd like to admit lately. and I THINK I can trust LC. probably. Dizzy is Cool in my book, bullzeye is probably town. TH is a root vegetable. I wish Dom were here.

What is your gut read on jack and sloonei

You’re right I should make it jack and Speedchuck.

It’s if I had to pick two of the active players to be bad. I think it’s one or both of you

Seems like an arbitrary number I don't know how it influenced your reads. Why did I fill the snoolei spot? What's with Jack? I got nothing.
Sprityo has posted a ton and I don't know where he stands until he covers it up with the GTH later.

Hate that the Marmot lynch has become more about Gemini man than it is about his Luna interactions.

I think you’re right, I’m coming at this the wrong way

"Right, my bad, there are actual reasons. Forgot that we had some that weren't BS. Thanks my maybe-teammate!" All kidding aside, Sprit isn't w/w with Marmot IMO. Nothing about the way he treats this case is a bus.

We should do a GTH exercise, like in DFS if we get enough people in at once. That sounds like it’d be interesting

I like GTH exercises but I feel like scum are the ones to implement them most of the time.

Interesting Speedchuck isn’t in there Quin. Any reason?

I’m gonna iso him today. I have a bad feeling about him not being on my radar

Linki: Surely TH wouldn’t be that lowly? Then again he’s usually in here a lot more being goofy

Why do you keep shrugging menacingly at me? "I have a bad feeling about not reading speed." Yeah, me too mate.

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I feel like half of this is grasping at straws. My main complaint with Sprit is the flow of his play. The way he tunnels, puts things off, seems to lead the town while deflecting any deep personal reads or cases. "I'll get to speed eventually." "Gotta lynch Marmot for those reasons. The ones you said. No wait, those other ones." "The game state is like this right now I think." "What is scum players are killing for these reasons." The flow isn't great.

Nothing super concrete in the ISO except for the crackdown on Sloondawg, which I can't complain about. I was in the thick of that too.

Also I don't think Sprit was a terrible pick for a Luna teammate. Distanced from her, but also was after Sloonei (one of the opposing trains that day) a lot. Tried to convert Luna's death into some other cases we now know are dead ends. Belittled any suspicion of him.

That's all I got.

... Who's next?

[Turnip Head]

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] check it out:

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Counter-counter wagon engaged!

I like the vote and would be willing to entertain it. But it seems people are not budging from the two established wagon at the moment. Care to expand on why this your vote?

Because his suspicion of you is circumstantial, and his treatment of you henceforth is based on that predetermined idea. This is based on only a few posts as I'm not fully caught up.

As for a Sloonei vote, I'm mildly interested. sprityo's concern was that you're pushing the narrative (which is not uncommon from you), but I haven't seen that in what I;ve read.

What I have not seen yet are reasons for Lunalee votes. Can anyone point me to those? @Turnip Head, care to give a reason why I should force a tie with my vote?

Sloonei was the leading wagon at this point, largely due to sprit's wifom case against him. If Sloonei had been lynched (as it had looked for most of the day), then it looked like Marmot was trying to set up the next victim to be sprityo because he's the one who pushed the Sloonei case the hardest. There was certainly reason for Marmot to suspect that the thread might side with him on this particular issue, at the time, although I don't think anyone actually suspected sprit at this point besides Sloon himself and it never got traction. Anyways, Luna was behind in votes at this point, but around this same time, Bullzeye had just voted for her, and that's when Marmot voted for sprityo. Then there is an hour-long gap in Marmot's post history (check timestamps to see that he was posting regularly before this). During this time Luna got 2 more votes, taking her total over Sloonei's.

I really like that post from Sloonei more than I like the case against him. Unfortunately, I don't have time to read the link you posted Sloonei.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

No ties please (don't listen to turnipface).

Why does Marmot feel the need to move his vote from sprityo onto Luna? What's his motivation for doing that? Obviously my answer is cuz he knew she would flip bad. Notice that the very next post after Marmot's Luna vote is nutella hinting at finding bussers, indicating she saw the same thing I did with Marmot's vote, before Luna had even flipped.

[DharmaHelper]

Spoiler: show

alright then, I accept your verdict DH. You say Marmot isn't scum because he asked sloonei for a case, agreed with that case, and voted accordingly. Although I still got the heeby jeebies.

Then where are you gonna look next?

I'll let you know when something twitches my nose up good.

[DharmaHelper]

@DharmaHelper check it out:

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Counter-counter wagon engaged!

I like the vote and would be willing to entertain it. But it seems people are not budging from the two established wagon at the moment. Care to expand on why this your vote?

Because his suspicion of you is circumstantial, and his treatment of you henceforth is based on that predetermined idea. This is based on only a few posts as I'm not fully caught up.

As for a Sloonei vote, I'm mildly interested. sprityo's concern was that you're pushing the narrative (which is not uncommon from you), but I haven't seen that in what I;ve read.

What I have not seen yet are reasons for Lunalee votes. Can anyone point me to those? @Turnip Head, care to give a reason why I should force a tie with my vote?

Sloonei was the leading wagon at this point, largely due to sprit's wifom case against him. If Sloonei had been lynched (as it had looked for most of the day), then it looked like Marmot was trying to set up the next victim to be sprityo because he's the one who pushed the Sloonei case the hardest. There was certainly reason for Marmot to suspect that the thread might side with him on this particular issue, at the time, although I don't think anyone actually suspected sprit at this point besides Sloon himself and it never got traction. Anyways, Luna was behind in votes at this point, but around this same time, Bullzeye had just voted for her, and that's when Marmot voted for sprityo. Then there is an hour-long gap in Marmot's post history (check timestamps to see that he was posting regularly before this). During this time Luna got 2 more votes, taking her total over Sloonei's.

I really like that post from Sloonei more than I like the case against him. Unfortunately, I don't have time to read the link you posted Sloonei.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

No ties please (don't listen to turnipface).

Why does Marmot feel the need to move his vote from sprityo onto Luna? What's his motivation for doing that? Obviously my answer is cuz he knew she would flip bad. Notice that the very next post after Marmot's Luna vote is nutella hinting at finding bussers, indicating she saw the same thing I did with Marmot's vote, before Luna had even flipped.

pls be a civ I can't handle two games in a row of me having to carry the town against you.

[DharmaHelper]

"Why would Marmot take his vote off a total bust and add to a shored-up Luna lynch when she was already in the lead" is the single smartest thing I've read since joining the game

[Turnip Head]

It's trudeau

[DharmaHelper]

It's trudeau

I'm just glad my constant berating got us all to this point.

[sprityo]

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] I admit i've been posting erratically, looking at every weird possibility that i can think of in the scope of what I can see and do. The sloonei case I made was the only thing i believed in because it was as solid ground as i was gonna get. Admittedly, I think it worked in to our overall favor. moving the thread along anyways.

My suspicion of jack stems from my gut, I asked about the vig thing because of the day 1 votes. I wanted him just to answer my question but that didnt happen. You and Jack sit in a boat together floating along while I contemplate how I really feel about you

also the last thing you quoted where I menace shrug at you, you said it yourself that you've been kinda slimey these past few days. That's a big part of playing into the gut read on you in particular

[speedchuck]

also the last thing you quoted where I menace shrug at you, you said it yourself that you've been kinda slimey these past few days.

That was a joke. I've been slimy. Scummy. Mucousy. Sweaty.

Sick.

I have no metric for whether I've actually acted like mafia or not. So why is Jack town in your GTH reads? And why aren't you working on coming to any conclusions on myself/Jack (I feel like he and I are kinda important to the state of the game)