Mega Man Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Jackofhearts2005]

When you try to prove you didn't kill your friends.



Common? COMMON? I am a unique butterfly!

[speedchuck]

When you try to prove you didn't kill your friends.



Common? COMMON? I am a unique butterfly!

It's also weird because you're missing the 'S'

[speedchuck]

update: it works if you spell it right

[Jackofhearts2005]

update: it works if you spell it right

I knew that. I was just testing you.

[speedchuck]

update: it works if you spell it right

I knew that. I was just testing you.

[Jackofhearts2005]

"Hey I have an idea. I know we lynched ACTUALLY MEGA MAN Day 1 and then there were THREE NIGHT KILLS before the next lynch... but you know what would be fun? Voting for a guy we don't want to lynch and then fucking right the hell off forever."

Tone read scum.

I'm confirmed civ how dare u

Three games in a row now, the player who tries to demotivate the town has been scum. Js.

Someone asked if this is true.

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=598619
Dunya and Malakim both spent more time complaining about activity and late game openings ( ) than hunting.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ampionship
Fable was caught partly because he was calling out the vig making bad hits to get a reaction.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... logy-Mafia
Batman was bad. Spent most of the game calling other players crap.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Speed, you are still voting for me and I have my eye on you.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Dead serious scummiest thing Kness has done all game is exact scumcounts in his GTH.

[Dyslexicon]

Jack: "I mean, to the extent that if I was right, it makes DH town as much as it makes Kness scum, yeah. Regardless, it’s not teammate behavior as DH would have you believe. (I do think DH truly misread the interaction.)"

Not really. You said K-ness implied knowing DH was town and that DH was arguing against that. Which would make both scum, or so it would imply. It's more of a phhhft statement that doesn't go anywhere really. That's how I read it.

[speedchuck]

Speed, you are still voting for me and I have my eye on you.

My bad. I fixed it. But sure, okay.

[Dyslexicon]

I'm going to just decide that I read Jack as town, cause that's what I've been feeling most of the game.

[speedchuck]

I'm going to just decide that I read Jack as town, cause that's what I've been feeling most of the game.

It really is easier that way.

[Dyslexicon]

Someone asked if this is true.

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=598619
Dunya and Malakim both spent more time complaining about activity and late game openings ( ) than hunting.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ampionship
Fable was caught partly because he was calling out the vig making bad hits to get a reaction.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... logy-Mafia
Batman was bad. Spent most of the game calling other players crap.

I saw DH doing this in a scum game that he linked to as well.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack: "I mean, to the extent that if I was right, it makes DH town as much as it makes Kness scum, yeah. Regardless, it’s not teammate behavior as DH would have you believe. (I do think DH truly misread the interaction.)"

Not really. You said K-ness implied knowing DH was town and that DH was arguing against that. Which would make both scum, or so it would imply. It's more of a phhhft statement that doesn't go anywhere really. That's how I read it.

I was expressing confusion that DH was arguing against it.

If Kness knew DH was town, that would mean DH is town (or at least not mafia). If both were scum, Kness can't possibly slip and give away that he knows DH is town because he knows DH isn't town.

[DharmaHelper]

"Hey I have an idea. I know we lynched ACTUALLY MEGA MAN Day 1 and then there were THREE NIGHT KILLS before the next lynch... but you know what would be fun? Voting for a guy we don't want to lynch and then fucking right the hell off forever."

Tone read scum.

I'm confirmed civ how dare u

Three games in a row now, the player who tries to demotivate the town has been scum. Js.

Someone asked if this is true.

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=598619
Dunya and Malakim both spent more time complaining about activity and late game openings ( ) than hunting.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ampionship
Fable was caught partly because he was calling out the vig making bad hits to get a reaction.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... logy-Mafia
Batman was bad. Spent most of the game calling other players crap.

Cool a bunch of games from sites I've never been to that's cool.

[speedchuck]

I'm thinking about townreading Nova, are there any reasons I shouldn't?

[Dyslexicon]

So who is unlikely to be teamed? We have 3 mafia left in the game. The likelihood of all being active are rather low imo, but I guess you never know.

[DharmaHelper]

Someone asked if this is true.

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=598619
Dunya and Malakim both spent more time complaining about activity and late game openings ( ) than hunting.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ampionship
Fable was caught partly because he was calling out the vig making bad hits to get a reaction.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... logy-Mafia
Batman was bad. Spent most of the game calling other players crap.

I saw DH doing this in a scum game that he linked to as well.

...you....did?

[Dyslexicon]

I was expressing confusion that DH was arguing against it.

If Kness knew DH was town, that would mean DH is town (or at least not mafia). If both were scum, Kness can't possibly slip and give away that he knows DH is town because he knows DH isn't town.

I get that. That's why the whole statement is kind of nonsense in itself. I don't know what to do with it.

[Dyslexicon]

...you....did?

Yes. At least you said something like "we're in pretty bas shape" or something.

[DharmaHelper]

...you....did?

Yes. At least you said something like "we're in pretty bas shape" or something.

I don't usually like to defend myself from shit in past games so I won't do that unless you're like...insistent on using it in this game without like, quoting it or whatever. IDK. It is what it is fam you do you.

[speedchuck]

So who is unlikely to be teamed? We have 3 mafia left in the game. The likelihood of all being active are rather low imo, but I guess you never know.

That's the elephant in the room. What will we do about the inactives?

I don't think all three remaining scum are inactive, though, so we can put things off.

[Jackofhearts2005]

So who is unlikely to be teamed? We have 3 mafia left in the game. The likelihood of all being active are rather low imo, but I guess you never know.

That's the elephant in the room. What will we do about the inactives?

I don't think all three remaining scum are inactive, though, so we can put things off.

We put it off.

We've lost lots of games by lynching inactives for feeling we have to do something about them.

Epi has already said that if you don't participate, you lose. Nonparticipating scum aren't the problem. Knowing how many scum are participating is.

[Dyslexicon]

I don't usually like to defend myself from shit in past games so I won't do that unless you're like...insistent on using it in this game without like, quoting it or whatever. IDK. It is what it is fam you do you.

Lol. You think I'm just making shit up? In any case, it's a pretty standard mindset slip thing, that scum are usually more critical of town and town more critical of scum. Doesn't mean it's foolproof or black and white, most things in mafia aren't. But it is a thing. So yeah, it is something I would consider, and why LC brought it up in the first place (I think it was him).

[speedchuck]

Nonparticipating scum aren't the problem.

I... might go on a rant about this after the game.

Not that I disagree with you.

[DharmaHelper]

I don't usually like to defend myself from shit in past games so I won't do that unless you're like...insistent on using it in this game without like, quoting it or whatever. IDK. It is what it is fam you do you.

Lol. You think I'm just making shit up? In any case, it's a pretty standard mindset slip thing, that scum are usually more critical of town and town more critical of scum. Doesn't mean it's foolproof or black and white, most things in mafia aren't. But it is a thing. So yeah, it is something I would consider, and why LC brought it up in the first place (I think it was him).

I don't think you're making it up, I just don't give a shit to defend against it unless you pull quotes and make a thing of it. It was a different game... I don't care.

[Dyslexicon]

So who is unlikely to be teamed? We have 3 mafia left in the game. The likelihood of all being active are rather low imo, but I guess you never know.

That's the elephant in the room. What will we do about the inactives?

I don't think all three remaining scum are inactive, though, so we can put things off.

That would be boring, but also kind of hilarious. Anyway, with the warning from Epi, I would worry less about the total inactives. But maybe look at those trying to pass as just active enough.

[speedchuck]

If this game ends with a loss because of inactives I'm going to fart on some people.

[Dyslexicon]

I don't think you're making it up, I just don't give a shit to defend against it unless you pull quotes and make a thing of it. It was a different game... I don't care.

Well, the point is not that it was you, specifically, who did it. The point was more that it is a mindset thing that is more common among those playing a scum role than those playing as town.

Here's why: Usually players have some level of emotional investment in games, especially if they are active. With this there is a variable amount of ego attached to succeeding or failing. A town player has little information and it's usually a pretty difficult and sometimes helpless place to be. But of course, you are rooting for your side. So to be the player that mocks town as a whole and also seasons with statements like "I've solved the game. I'm the one to figure everything out" makes them a player that puts themselves above the others not only in skill, but (usually) in responsibility. The risk is higher. The fall is greater. The ego is more vulnerable. Of course, if you aren't town, none of this applies. Then mocking is just fun and serves as a way to discredit other players and leaks smugness.

This doesn't apply to every case or every player. It always depends. But that's why it concerns me.

[DharmaHelper]

I don't think you're making it up, I just don't give a shit to defend against it unless you pull quotes and make a thing of it. It was a different game... I don't care.

Well, the point is not that it was you, specifically, who did it. The point was more that it is a mindset thing that is more common among those playing a scum role than those playing as town.

Here's why: Usually players have some level of emotional investment in games, especially if they are active. With this there is a variable amount of ego attached to succeeding or failing. A town player has little information and it's usually a pretty difficult and sometimes helpless place to be. But of course, you are rooting for your side. So to be the player that mocks town as a whole and also seasons with statements like "I've solved the game. I'm the one to figure everything out" makes them a player that puts themselves above the others not only in skill, but (usually) in responsibility. The risk is higher. The fall is greater. The ego is more vulnerable. Of course, if you aren't town, none of this applies. Then mocking is just fun and serves as a way to discredit other players and leaks smugness.

This doesn't apply to every case or every player. It always depends. But that's why it concerns me.

Meaningless to me.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If this game ends with a loss because of inactives I'm going to fart on some people.

You can't lose to inactives but you can lose because of them.

Surely you're not flat out saying that you want to rant about inactive scum because your team has inactive scum on it, right?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't think you're making it up, I just don't give a shit to defend against it unless you pull quotes and make a thing of it. It was a different game... I don't care.

Well, the point is not that it was you, specifically, who did it. The point was more that it is a mindset thing that is more common among those playing a scum role than those playing as town.

Here's why: Usually players have some level of emotional investment in games, especially if they are active. With this there is a variable amount of ego attached to succeeding or failing. A town player has little information and it's usually a pretty difficult and sometimes helpless place to be. But of course, you are rooting for your side. So to be the player that mocks town as a whole and also seasons with statements like "I've solved the game. I'm the one to figure everything out" makes them a player that puts themselves above the others not only in skill, but (usually) in responsibility. The risk is higher. The fall is greater. The ego is more vulnerable. Of course, if you aren't town, none of this applies. Then mocking is just fun and serves as a way to discredit other players and leaks smugness.

This doesn't apply to every case or every player. It always depends. But that's why it concerns me.

Meaningless to me.

Convenient.

[speedchuck]

If this game ends with a loss because of inactives I'm going to fart on some people.

You can't lose to inactives but you can lose because of them.

Surely you're not flat out saying that you want to rant about inactive scum because your team has inactive scum on it, right?

Nope, different reason.

[DharmaHelper]

I don't think you're making it up, I just don't give a shit to defend against it unless you pull quotes and make a thing of it. It was a different game... I don't care.

Well, the point is not that it was you, specifically, who did it. The point was more that it is a mindset thing that is more common among those playing a scum role than those playing as town.

Here's why: Usually players have some level of emotional investment in games, especially if they are active. With this there is a variable amount of ego attached to succeeding or failing. A town player has little information and it's usually a pretty difficult and sometimes helpless place to be. But of course, you are rooting for your side. So to be the player that mocks town as a whole and also seasons with statements like "I've solved the game. I'm the one to figure everything out" makes them a player that puts themselves above the others not only in skill, but (usually) in responsibility. The risk is higher. The fall is greater. The ego is more vulnerable. Of course, if you aren't town, none of this applies. Then mocking is just fun and serves as a way to discredit other players and leaks smugness.

This doesn't apply to every case or every player. It always depends. But that's why it concerns me.

Meaningless to me.

Convenient.

Why?

[Dyslexicon]

The most compelling points against Dharma for me are:
- Mocking town and boasting about having solved the game before it's actually solved.
- Shutting down other players for example by beating the ewwws and the meows until there never was a horse there in the first place. This is not necessary. Everyone can see that lose votes are lose votes.
- Being rather superficial in his suspicions. Or at least, that's my general take away.

The most compelling points against K-Ness for me are:
- Really, really not doing much all game. I realize that he is used to playing differently, but I don't really see him follow up where his suspicions lie.
- I still don't get why he voted Bullz over his actual suspicion. This is one thing that makes K-Ness/Jack a possibility.

[DharmaHelper]

The most compelling points against Dharma for me are:
- Mocking town and boasting about having solved the game before it's actually solved.
- Shutting down other players for example by beating the ewwws and the meows until there never was a horse there in the first place. This is not necessary. Everyone can see that lose votes are lose votes.
- Being rather superficial in his suspicions. Or at least, that's my general take away.

The most compelling points against K-Ness for me are:
- Really, really not doing much all game. I realize that he is used to playing differently, but I don't really see him follow up where his suspicions lie.
- I still don't get why he voted Bullz over his actual suspicion. This is one thing that makes K-Ness/Jack a possibility.

1. I don't care.
2. Dumb point
3. Good for you I guess.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don't think you're making it up, I just don't give a shit to defend against it unless you pull quotes and make a thing of it. It was a different game... I don't care.

Well, the point is not that it was you, specifically, who did it. The point was more that it is a mindset thing that is more common among those playing a scum role than those playing as town.

Here's why: Usually players have some level of emotional investment in games, especially if they are active. With this there is a variable amount of ego attached to succeeding or failing. A town player has little information and it's usually a pretty difficult and sometimes helpless place to be. But of course, you are rooting for your side. So to be the player that mocks town as a whole and also seasons with statements like "I've solved the game. I'm the one to figure everything out" makes them a player that puts themselves above the others not only in skill, but (usually) in responsibility. The risk is higher. The fall is greater. The ego is more vulnerable. Of course, if you aren't town, none of this applies. Then mocking is just fun and serves as a way to discredit other players and leaks smugness.

This doesn't apply to every case or every player. It always depends. But that's why it concerns me.

Meaningless to me.

Convenient.

Why?

You don't have to address things you pretend are meaningless or meowing.

[Dyslexicon]

Meaningless to me.

That's fine. You're not the one who's controlling my vote. But I think what I'm trying to express is roughly the same as LC and others have been getting at as well. But they can comment on that themselves.

[DharmaHelper]

I don't think you're making it up, I just don't give a shit to defend against it unless you pull quotes and make a thing of it. It was a different game... I don't care.

Well, the point is not that it was you, specifically, who did it. The point was more that it is a mindset thing that is more common among those playing a scum role than those playing as town.

Here's why: Usually players have some level of emotional investment in games, especially if they are active. With this there is a variable amount of ego attached to succeeding or failing. A town player has little information and it's usually a pretty difficult and sometimes helpless place to be. But of course, you are rooting for your side. So to be the player that mocks town as a whole and also seasons with statements like "I've solved the game. I'm the one to figure everything out" makes them a player that puts themselves above the others not only in skill, but (usually) in responsibility. The risk is higher. The fall is greater. The ego is more vulnerable. Of course, if you aren't town, none of this applies. Then mocking is just fun and serves as a way to discredit other players and leaks smugness.

This doesn't apply to every case or every player. It always depends. But that's why it concerns me.

Meaningless to me.

Convenient.

Why?

You don't have to address things you pretend are meaningless or meowing.

He's given me nothing to address. Come on already.

[Dyslexicon]

1. I don't care.
2. Dumb point
3. Good for you I guess.

You do care.

But yeah, I think I get what you're trying to say.

[speedchuck]

I'd love to see LC do the same to DH as he did to JoH. Did I miss him doing that?

[DharmaHelper]

The most compelling points against Dharma for me are:
- Mocking town and boasting about having solved the game before it's actually solved.
- Shutting down other players for example by beating the ewwws and the meows until there never was a horse there in the first place. This is not necessary. Everyone can see that lose votes are lose votes.
- Being rather superficial in his suspicions. Or at least, that's my general take away.

The most compelling points against K-Ness for me are:
- Really, really not doing much all game. I realize that he is used to playing differently, but I don't really see him follow up where his suspicions lie.
- I still don't get why he voted Bullz over his actual suspicion. This is one thing that makes K-Ness/Jack a possibility.

1. I don't care.
2. Dumb point
3. Good for you I guess.

"I think a point against DH is how superficial his suspicions are" says the guy whose suspicions include "Meow."

[DharmaHelper]

"Mocking town and boasting" is a slight mis-characterisation that I'm willing to let go because you just don't know me. And I don't care that you find me suspicious or w/e for stuff you have no basis to comment on.

[Jackofhearts2005]

A couple more votes might make DH care.

[Dyslexicon]

"I think a point against DH is how superficial his suspicions are" says the guy whose suspicions include "Meow."

If you stop for a second, and get out or your feels or pretend feels or whatever is the case, you may want to do some listening as well. My suspicion was not "meow". That was not a direct suspicion as much as a place to start investigating at a point of little direction. I'm clearly not proposing "meow" as a point of suspicion and I never have. You must be aware of this, you are not that dumb.

Again, the only thing you are doing now is trying to discredit me. You've spent a lot of energy trying to discredit your accusers. But if you are town, what should matter is what alignment your accusers are playing. Why do I feel like you are more interested in showing everyone how incredibly dumb you perceive me to be in the context of this game rather than actually trying to figure me out?

[Dyslexicon]

"Mocking town and boasting" is a slight mis-characterisation that I'm willing to let go because you just don't know me. And I don't care that you find me suspicious or w/e for stuff you have no basis to comment on.

Alright, noted. I am trying to take into account that you are coming off more, what should I say, playfully aggressive (?) than many other players. I have a basis to comment on everything in this game just by being in it. : p

[DharmaHelper]

"I think a point against DH is how superficial his suspicions are" says the guy whose suspicions include "Meow."

If you stop for a second, and get out or your feels or pretend feels or whatever is the case, you may want to do some listening as well. My suspicion was not "meow". That was not a direct suspicion as much as a place to start investigating at a point of little direction. I'm clearly not proposing "meow" as a point of suspicion and I never have. You must be aware of this, you are not that dumb.

Again, the only thing you are doing now is trying to discredit me. You've spent a lot of energy trying to discredit your accusers. But if you are town, what should matter is what alignment your accusers are playing. Why do I feel like you are more interested in showing everyone how incredibly dumb you perceive me to be in the context of this game rather than actually trying to figure me out?

How many times do I have to say I don't care about you for you to believe me? I'm not trying to discredit you fam, I do. not. care. You have put forward nothing to discredit. You have contributed nothing of worth or value with respect to a suspicion against me. I don't care. Do what you want.

What I would suggest you not do though is come at me half cocked with stuff like "DH has superficial suspicions" when A) I've spend the better part of two days laying out a pretty solid case against Jack and Knees and B) You haven't done anything but fart in my face for two days.

[Dyslexicon]

[mention]Kylemii[/mention], come make sense of everything and make me happy, plzzz.

[DharmaHelper]

"I'm not egging people on to vote for DH lol"

A couple more votes might make DH care.

[Jackofhearts2005]

"I'm not egging people on to vote for DH lol"

A couple more votes might make DH care.

What's the difference between egging people on and leading a lynch?