Hogwarts Mafia - END

[DharmaHelper]

Am I nuts or is "Maybe the guys who are flipping bad are actually good" Not a civilian-minded conspiracy theory? What is even the point here? How has this become the hot topic of the day?

[Quin]

wait not janitors the other thing

false flippidy dippidy doo

Seemers are typically opposite, i.e. mafia members who flip as civilians. Death millers, or civilians who flip as mafia, are very rare (and on many sites considered outright bastard roles). The exception around here is the forger, which can specifically select a civilian to appear as a mafioso when killed. That'd have to mean though that a forger and a vigilante targeted the same person in only two night phases, barring an even more convoluted theory in which the mafia team can slaughter four or five players in two nights, one or two of whom was forged.

It strikes me as absurd.

A serial killer is more believable just because it's an ordinary role, but I was under the impression the setup was purely civilian versus mafia (Hogwarts students versus New Death Eathers). That's what the setup says.

i was less talking about the number of kills and moreso the possibility of there being a ?self-seemer? on the mafia team.

[MacDougall]

Better out than in

[Long Con]

wait timmer what the fuck is your job

when someone has an infection and a surgeon cuts the infected tissue out of them, like in a knee joint or an abscess or a bursa, that tissue comes to me. I grind it into pulp with a mortar and pestle and then take that pulp and culture it to see what bacteria is in it. That then tells the surgeon what antibiotics the person should be on to heal the area and to keep them from going septic.

THANK YOU! It was like, Halloween is over dude tell us what's what.

[MacDougall]

Am I nuts or is "Maybe the guys who are flipping bad are actually good" Not a civilian-minded conspiracy theory? What is even the point here? How has this become the hot topic of the day?

Since when do we have two dead Mafia on day 3 with zero having been lynched? It's like a metaphor for society in general right now.

[Quin]

Am I nuts or is "Maybe the guys who are flipping bad are actually good" Not a civilian-minded conspiracy theory? What is even the point here? How has this become the hot topic of the day?

Since when do we have two dead Mafia on day 3 with zero having been lynched? It's like a metaphor for society in general right now.

if one of the two dead scum are good who is it and why?

[timmer]

As for bullz... if the baddies aren't necessarily baddies... ugh, I may retract my vouch of bullz. Nova being bad was the centerpiece of my thoughts on that.

If there is even a single reason to believe in this stuff, then it needs to be stated clearly. It would define the entire civilian approach to the game. I have no clue whatsoever why we're talking about this. It's bonkers.

Alright, fuck it. I've been hesitant because I suspect that there is a counterpart to me in the game and I didn't want them to freak out and identify themselves. I'm an odd night vig. I tried to kill bullz night 1. I never considered that I hadbeen blocked, but I saw a kill that didn't happen and a dead BAD nova. I interpreted from the items and spells that bullz must have had the thing that lets you bounce night actions to someone else and he hit nova with it. I further concluded that if bullz was bad he obviously wouldn't have done that. It was the only thing that made sense.

In light of this I could for him.

After realizing I had been blocked I assumed that the mafia had targeted bullz instead because nova was obviously not their target, and somehow nova was dead, and I hadn't killed anyone.

But then another night goes by and another dead baddie ave iI and well hey there is probably an even night version of me and they succeeded yay them.

But now this what if they aren't bad idea, and THEN I realize wait, who the fuck has the second kill night 1 if it wasn't me? And here we are... there must be a third killer of some sort.

But now I'm totally exposed, which sucks, but it's really my own doing.

[timmer]

wait timmer what the fuck is your job

when someone has an infection and a surgeon cuts the infected tissue out of them, like in a knee joint or an abscess or a bursa, that tissue comes to me. I grind it into pulp with a mortar and pestle and then take that pulp and culture it to see what bacteria is in it. That then tells the surgeon what antibiotics the person should be on to heal the area and to keep them from going septic.

are you also the guy who collects the amputated limbs after surgery because if so my dad wants his leg back

uhm sometimes, yes...

[MacDougall]

Like we are playing a game in which the basic rules are that our ability to remove bad guys is via lynching and the ability for bad guys to remove us is via night kills. The current scenario flies in the face of this. If I was on a Mafia team that had two killed on day 3 by civilian vigs and zero lynched I would be questioning the balance.

Not to mention it's a Harry Potter themed game and the bad guys are fucking death sorcerers to boot so don't tell me fucking with the flips isn't flavour possible.

Serial killer that kills each night and their kills always have the dark mark on them? Maybe the serial killer is Voldemort himself given the Mafia are "New Death Eaters" ie. which flavour doesn't make sense to have Voldemort on said team.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Am I nuts or is "Maybe the guys who are flipping bad are actually good" Not a civilian-minded conspiracy theory? What is even the point here? How has this become the hot topic of the day?

Since when do we have two dead Mafia on day 3 with zero having been lynched? It's like a metaphor for society in general right now.

Why are you acting like it's impossible for civilians to do things right?

[MacDougall]

Am I nuts or is "Maybe the guys who are flipping bad are actually good" Not a civilian-minded conspiracy theory? What is even the point here? How has this become the hot topic of the day?

Since when do we have two dead Mafia on day 3 with zero having been lynched? It's like a metaphor for society in general right now.

if one of the two dead scum are good who is it and why?

I dunno, INH because he actually posted some?

[MacDougall]

Am I nuts or is "Maybe the guys who are flipping bad are actually good" Not a civilian-minded conspiracy theory? What is even the point here? How has this become the hot topic of the day?

Since when do we have two dead Mafia on day 3 with zero having been lynched? It's like a metaphor for society in general right now.

Why are you acting like it's impossible for civilians to do things right?

Jeez that's a leap of logic.

[Quin]

Am I nuts or is "Maybe the guys who are flipping bad are actually good" Not a civilian-minded conspiracy theory? What is even the point here? How has this become the hot topic of the day?

Since when do we have two dead Mafia on day 3 with zero having been lynched? It's like a metaphor for society in general right now.

if one of the two dead scum are good who is it and why?

I dunno, INH because he actually posted some?

for a guy who's been leading this discussion about fake flips you don't seem especially opinionated about it.

[Long Con]

Am I nuts or is "Maybe the guys who are flipping bad are actually good" Not a civilian-minded conspiracy theory? What is even the point here? How has this become the hot topic of the day?

Since when do we have two dead Mafia on day 3 with zero having been lynched? It's like a metaphor for society in general right now.

Why are you acting like it's impossible for civilians to do things right?

Jeez that's a leap of logic.

It's not that far-fetched that a Civ vig kills baddies the first two nights. Like, it doesn't happen often, but that doesn't mean we can just assume it never happens.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Alright, fuck it. I've been hesitant because I suspect that there is a counterpart to me in the game and I didn't want them to freak out and identify themselves. I'm an odd night vig. I tried to kill bullz night 1. I never considered that I hadbeen blocked, but I saw a kill that didn't happen and a dead BAD nova. I interpreted from the items and spells that bullz must have had the thing that lets you bounce night actions to someone else and he hit nova with it. I further concluded that if bullz was bad he obviously wouldn't have done that. It was the only thing that made sense.

In light of this I could for him.

After realizing I had been blocked I assumed that the mafia had targeted bullz instead because nova was obviously not their target, and somehow nova was dead, and I hadn't killed anyone.

But then another night goes by and another dead baddie ave iI and well hey there is probably an even night version of me and they succeeded yay them.

But now this what if they aren't bad idea, and THEN I realize wait, who the fuck has the second kill night 1 if it wasn't me? And here we are... there must be a third killer of some sort.

But now I'm totally exposed, which sucks, but it's really my own doing.

I understand your uncertainty. Having played a game on Naruto Forums (DDL's first home) and observed a couple of others, I think I can state that a veritable slaughter driven by civilian vigilante(s) is not terribly unlikely. They love to kill each other over there in as many ways as possible, and DDL brings that influence here as a host.

An extraneous killing source is possible given what you've described for Night 1 and the three deaths on Night 2. That doesn't mean any of them are false flips though. I just plain don't think so.

[MacDougall]

Am I nuts or is "Maybe the guys who are flipping bad are actually good" Not a civilian-minded conspiracy theory? What is even the point here? How has this become the hot topic of the day?

Since when do we have two dead Mafia on day 3 with zero having been lynched? It's like a metaphor for society in general right now.

if one of the two dead scum are good who is it and why?

I dunno, INH because he actually posted some?

for a guy who's been leading this discussion about fake flips you don't seem especially opinionated about it.

All I am asking for is that we don't think like lemmings and we apply a healthy sense of skepticism in a game that amounts to an M Night Shyamalan murder mystery.

Jay already asked me what I thought was most possible and I answered that a mix of all outcomes is probably most likely. I never said it was impossible for them to be vig kills. I just offhandedly shared my fucking doubts about it. Would you prefer I keep my theories to myself? Because I was doing that before and got criticised for that too.

[MacDougall]

The false flip thing was just an outlandish theory of mine. I shared with you an outlandish theory and it's apparently unacceptable to do so. Okay fine. I will play the game your way.

[MacDougall]

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[MacDougall]

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[MacDougall]

Things are always as they seem

[MacDougall]

So it would appear in light of Timmer's revelation that we have three non Mafia killing roles.

Sucks to be Mafia.

[Long Con]

The false flip thing was just an outlandish theory of mine. I shared with you an outlandish theory and it's apparently unacceptable to do so. Okay fine. I will play the game your way.

Your theory, if wrong, could be dangerous. Make us doubt the lynches, disrupt the logic we glean from them. That said, I'm fine with outlandish theories.

[timmer]

So Mac, what I'm telling you is that there was no vig kill night 1. So who killed a bad nova? That's my issue. Both nights, multiple kills. Both nights, dead baddies. But NOT both nights vig killa so who killed them. And if it is someone unknown is it just weird odds that their kills were bad?

[Long Con]

So it would appear in light of Timmer's revelation that we have three non Mafia killing roles.

Sucks to be Mafia.

In a few days, we'll hopefully have won without actually lynching a baddie!

[MacDougall]

How could it make you doubt the lynches?

I am questioning the flips of the dead, which quite frankly we don't usually get on TS anyway.

[poutanko]

[unvote]

[Quin]

If there's a 3P killing role it's Rita Skeeter. Calling it.

[Quin]

friendly reminder that there is no unvote option

[timmer]

And ultimately I now have to ask... speedchuck 2.0, since you are bullz do you have anything that needs to be added to this info mess I have caused?

[MacDougall]

So Mac, what I'm telling you is that there was no vig kill night 1. So who killed a bad nova? That's my issue. Both nights, multiple kills. Both nights, dead baddies. But NOT both nights vig killa so who killed them. And if it is someone unknown is it just weird odds that their kills were bad?

Serial killers also don't generally kill quiet players from what I can glean. Mafia sometimes do but not serial killers.

But, for that kill to have been outright a civilian I would need to believe that the town has three vigilantes, two of which hit Mafia.

That would need some powerful (or numerable) Mafia roles to counteract it no?

Night 1 - You vigged, someone else used a vig and the serial killer kills on even nights maybe? I dunno.

[Quin]

So Mac, what I'm telling you is that there was no vig kill night 1. So who killed a bad nova? That's my issue. Both nights, multiple kills. Both nights, dead baddies. But NOT both nights vig killa so who killed them. And if it is someone unknown is it just weird odds that their kills were bad?

I have a very awkward explanation for it but it relies so much on coincidence that idk if it's worth sharing.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

In which I review poutanko, who has enjoyed a cushy soft cloud of a game to this point

Spoiler: show

Can't we just state we're Town so whoever have the Veritaserum can use it whenever they want to whoever they want without asking their sus about it (so not giving a hint/clue about them having the potion)?

...I'll re-read the thread in the morning, too sleepy to translate these Pumpkin Throwing fest between DH-Owner, JJJ-Juliet-Epi-Quin on first impression both Owner and JJJ come off as too strong going after their targets. Idk if JJJ is normally like this (some said he's sus, some didn't react even a bit), he doesn't seem like new here albeit he doesn't have grandpa vibe yet. Owner - last time I played with her and she's scum, she didn't tunnel this much. Her reasoning is weird tho but she's always weird by default

This post is idle commentary on thread events and contains no stances taken. The highlighted Owner bit comes close to being a stance, a civilian read based upon a difference from a previous mafia performance, but it is diminished with a prompt caveat of "weird tho", which itself is further qualified with "but she's always weird". I am annoyed at myself for not noticing this language until now, because it's icky.

Spoiler: show

karavalenge a bit too aware of your image, no? How many games have you played before this one?

Done re-reading. Nothing odd from what I see of Juliet-Epi-Quin interaction.
JaggedJimmyJay you moved your vote from Quin to LongCon, what's your read on Quin now?

Questions are nice, but their value is determined by follow-up should it exist. I'll see as I review the ISO here.

Spoiler: show

Had something to do IRL, you can chill

Also, Colin is my strongest town read He just said whatever however and whenever without thinking much (if any at all). Dude is filterless. Same with Luna and Nutella although I will put Luna under Nutella (she's not as bold as Nutella but she was like this too on Outpost game, not as bold as I'd like her to be). Out of your scum read I only agree with Kara but it's not because of picture tell

Other than Fav 7, Fav 8, This Town Called Home (you rolled scum in 2 of those 3), is there another game we're both in before?

Some people that catch my attention next

I like the way poutanko presented her positive read on Colin here, in that it sort of suited its own description -- concise, clear, and without filter.

Spoiler: show

Jay
do you have a "good" read on Glorfindel because he stroked your ego (he said you're a good player, yet to be proven, I only see nutcase ), "good" read on Novase who has 0 post and it's "bad" for Lapluie who only has 1 post because you're just good at reading people or because you know for sure they are? Teach me how to read people without post, O senpai ~

Kara
>"I am a town. Or else I'd look scum by not following along with it."
>"No, I clearly didn't want to say it myself, but felt like I was pressured to."
when no one pressured her/asked her directly/no vote on her
Based on what she said, she only had played 1 game before this one aka newbie. I'm aware if newbie player tend to do scummy things without them intending to do so but those 2 posts gave me impression she wanted to maintain a certain image instead of just being herself. Is it normal for real town to worry like that?

Bullzeye
Already addressed by several other players with his weird vote and comment he left before voting.

LongCon
What he said about Bullzeye and him thinking those who sussed Bull as weird make his reaction the weird one to me. Which part of Bull's post/vote timing/vote choice that looks normal to him?

poutanko's questions for me turned into a small Thing, so there was follow-up at least in that discourse. I don't feel like sharing all of it, but here's a link if you care, dear readers. Her concern on karavalenge reflected my own pretty closely -- blatant scumminess that is more concern for a brand new player than for a veteran.

Spoiler: show

INH gave me impression he's buddying the newbie like what DH did to me on Outpost. Him giving limited read on other players feel similar as Juliet. Guarded. He jokes more here than on Outpost tho.

Bullzeye you're asked about your read on your voters. At least you can do that much?

This is a negative assessment of INH, though it isn't stated clearly as a suspicion. The negativity is itself rather "guarded", as poutanko described INH himself. That's not my favorite thing.

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Soneji voters: Juliets, Lunalee, timmer, Jackofhearts2005, JaggedJimmyJay
I'll ISO them later.

Who's the one leading the vote before it went to Soneji?

I thought this whole angle of investigation looked pretty natural. This amounted to numerous other posts, including those in which she gave me crap for forgetting myself and my Bullzeye vote.

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[mention]poutanko[/mention], you can address the first point I made which is a bit poopy. Generally though I think she looks fine. Okee dokee.

[Long Con]

How could it make you doubt the lynches?

I am questioning the flips of the dead, which quite frankly we don't usually get on TS anyway.

Yes, that's true. My bad, probably due to the fact that we usually don't get nightkilled alignments. BUT I think the point stands - important game-logic comes from flipped dead folk. A general doubt about the validity of flips could radically change what logic we choose to believe.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The false flip thing was just an outlandish theory of mine. I shared with you an outlandish theory and it's apparently unacceptable to do so. Okay fine. I will play the game your way.

Why is it that when I disagree with folks, they act as though I have personally commanded them to behave in some particular way? Do whatever you want, I don't give a damn.

[MacDougall]

The false flip thing was just an outlandish theory of mine. I shared with you an outlandish theory and it's apparently unacceptable to do so. Okay fine. I will play the game your way.

Why is it that when I disagree with folks, they act as though I have personally commanded them to behave in some particular way? Do whatever you want, I don't give a damn.

Because you bring with you a horde of followers most of the time because you effectively rabble rouse and people like to echo you because you cast a huge shadow to hide inside, which has the effect of multiplying the pressure you're applying .

[Quin]

The false flip thing was just an outlandish theory of mine. I shared with you an outlandish theory and it's apparently unacceptable to do so. Okay fine. I will play the game your way.

Why is it that when I disagree with folks, they act as though I have personally commanded them to behave in some particular way? Do whatever you want, I don't give a damn.

thank you my liege

[Long Con]

So Mac, what I'm telling you is that there was no vig kill night 1. So who killed a bad nova? That's my issue. Both nights, multiple kills. Both nights, dead baddies. But NOT both nights vig killa so who killed them. And if it is someone unknown is it just weird odds that their kills were bad?

Serial killers also don't generally kill quiet players from what I can glean. Mafia sometimes do but not serial killers.

But, for that kill to have been outright a civilian I would need to believe that the town has three vigilantes, two of which hit Mafia.

That would need some powerful (or numerable) Mafia roles to counteract it no?

Night 1 - You vigged, someone else used a vig and the serial killer kills on even nights maybe? I dunno.

Going to bed now, but one thing to add: there was a recent game (Mega Man, right?) where inactive Civs were a major hit to the Civ chance for victory. Maybe the killer of quiet players is a Civ who played that game and is saying "not this time!".

Nite nite.

[timmer]

So Mac, what I'm telling you is that there was no vig kill night 1. So who killed a bad nova? That's my issue. Both nights, multiple kills. Both nights, dead baddies. But NOT both nights vig killa so who killed them. And if it is someone unknown is it just weird odds that their kills were bad?

I have a very awkward explanation for it but it relies so much on coincidence that idk if it's worth sharing.

Use your judgment I'd say. No need for everyone to vomit up secrets, just those of us who dug their own holes.

[MacDougall]

How could it make you doubt the lynches?

I am questioning the flips of the dead, which quite frankly we don't usually get on TS anyway.

Yes, that's true. My bad, probably due to the fact that we usually don't get nightkilled alignments. BUT I think the point stands - important game-logic comes from flipped dead folk. A general doubt about the validity of flips could radically change what logic we choose to believe.

I don't trust what people in this game look like when they flip dead off a night kill specifically because it's a Harry Potter themed game.

[poutanko]

In which I review poutanko, who has enjoyed a cushy soft cloud of a game to this point

Spoiler: show

Can't we just state we're Town so whoever have the Veritaserum can use it whenever they want to whoever they want without asking their sus about it (so not giving a hint/clue about them having the potion)?

...I'll re-read the thread in the morning, too sleepy to translate these Pumpkin Throwing fest between DH-Owner, JJJ-Juliet-Epi-Quin on first impression both Owner and JJJ come off as too strong going after their targets. Idk if JJJ is normally like this (some said he's sus, some didn't react even a bit), he doesn't seem like new here albeit he doesn't have grandpa vibe yet. Owner - last time I played with her and she's scum, she didn't tunnel this much. Her reasoning is weird tho but she's always weird by default

This post is idle commentary on thread events and contains no stances taken. The highlighted Owner bit comes close to being a stance, a civilian read based upon a difference from a previous mafia performance, but it is diminished with a prompt caveat of "weird tho", which itself is further qualified with "but she's always weird". I am annoyed at myself for not noticing this language until now, because it's icky.

Spoiler: show

karavalenge a bit too aware of your image, no? How many games have you played before this one?

Done re-reading. Nothing odd from what I see of Juliet-Epi-Quin interaction.
JaggedJimmyJay you moved your vote from Quin to LongCon, what's your read on Quin now?

Questions are nice, but their value is determined by follow-up should it exist. I'll see as I review the ISO here.

Spoiler: show

Had something to do IRL, you can chill

Also, Colin is my strongest town read He just said whatever however and whenever without thinking much (if any at all). Dude is filterless. Same with Luna and Nutella although I will put Luna under Nutella (she's not as bold as Nutella but she was like this too on Outpost game, not as bold as I'd like her to be). Out of your scum read I only agree with Kara but it's not because of picture tell

Other than Fav 7, Fav 8, This Town Called Home (you rolled scum in 2 of those 3), is there another game we're both in before?

Some people that catch my attention next

I like the way poutanko presented her positive read on Colin here, in that it sort of suited its own description -- concise, clear, and without filter.

Spoiler: show

Jay
do you have a "good" read on Glorfindel because he stroked your ego (he said you're a good player, yet to be proven, I only see nutcase ), "good" read on Novase who has 0 post and it's "bad" for Lapluie who only has 1 post because you're just good at reading people or because you know for sure they are? Teach me how to read people without post, O senpai ~

Kara
>"I am a town. Or else I'd look scum by not following along with it."
>"No, I clearly didn't want to say it myself, but felt like I was pressured to."
when no one pressured her/asked her directly/no vote on her
Based on what she said, she only had played 1 game before this one aka newbie. I'm aware if newbie player tend to do scummy things without them intending to do so but those 2 posts gave me impression she wanted to maintain a certain image instead of just being herself. Is it normal for real town to worry like that?

Bullzeye
Already addressed by several other players with his weird vote and comment he left before voting.

LongCon
What he said about Bullzeye and him thinking those who sussed Bull as weird make his reaction the weird one to me. Which part of Bull's post/vote timing/vote choice that looks normal to him?

poutanko's questions for me turned into a small Thing, so there was follow-up at least in that discourse. I don't feel like sharing all of it, but here's a link if you care, dear readers. Her concern on karavalenge reflected my own pretty closely -- blatant scumminess that is more concern for a brand new player than for a veteran.

Spoiler: show

INH gave me impression he's buddying the newbie like what DH did to me on Outpost. Him giving limited read on other players feel similar as Juliet. Guarded. He jokes more here than on Outpost tho.

Bullzeye you're asked about your read on your voters. At least you can do that much?

This is a negative assessment of INH, though it isn't stated clearly as a suspicion. The negativity is itself rather "guarded", as poutanko described INH himself. That's not my favorite thing.

Spoiler: show

Soneji voters: Juliets, Lunalee, timmer, Jackofhearts2005, JaggedJimmyJay
I'll ISO them later.

Who's the one leading the vote before it went to Soneji?

I thought this whole angle of investigation looked pretty natural. This amounted to numerous other posts, including those in which she gave me crap for forgetting myself and my Bullzeye vote.

~~~

@poutanko, you can address the first point I made which is a bit poopy. Generally though I think she looks fine. Okee dokee.

Owner always make weird posts regardless her alignment (which makes it hard to read her early) but on the games she's scum (2 games out of 3 I remember playing with her), she didn't tunnel. She would go after her sus but not to the level she did to DH here.

[DharmaHelper]

This whole discussion has been quite a lot to digest. Here are my bullet points

- Not impossible to have a 3rd party killer, Or a 4th party or whatever.. Noteworthy in this respect is that we don't get "So and so was Killed by..." posts, we get "So and so was killed" posts.
- I don't see how the bad flips could be faked, flavor or otherwise. And I don't get what the point of faking NK flips would be. Lynch flips, maybe. NK flips? Nah son.
- Since nobody here really has a "role" we're just working off the kits that DDL gave us, claiming to have any powers or potions or spells, or to have been affected by such powers and potions and spells, is NAI in my book.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]poutanko[/mention], I can see in your post history general trajectories and with them may come implied reads, but there isn't total clarity.

Who do you most trust?

Who do you least trust?

Multiple names per question would be super.

[DharmaHelper]

Does Mac seem pissed that mafia are being picked off to anyone else or is that just a weird me vibe. -

[MacDougall]

Does Mac seem pissed that mafia are being picked off to anyone else or is that just a weird me vibe. -

Ugh that is such a basic bitch thought. Be less basic.

[MacDougall]

In which Mac is basic

[nutella]

So Mac, what I'm telling you is that there was no vig kill night 1. So who killed a bad nova? That's my issue. Both nights, multiple kills. Both nights, dead baddies. But NOT both nights vig killa so who killed them. And if it is someone unknown is it just weird odds that their kills were bad?

why can't the answer just be that there are two people with odd-night blast-ended skrewts? seems a little odd for balance purposes, but there are a lot of funky role manipulation possibilities in this setup so

[DharmaHelper]

Like we are playing a game in which the basic rules are that our ability to remove bad guys is via lynching and the ability for bad guys to remove us is via night kills. The current scenario flies in the face of this. If I was on a Mafia team that had two killed on day 3 by civilian vigs and zero lynched I would be questioning the balance.

Not to mention it's a Harry Potter themed game and the bad guys are fucking death sorcerers to boot so don't tell me fucking with the flips isn't flavour possible.

Serial killer that kills each night and their kills always have the dark mark on them? Maybe the serial killer is Voldemort himself given the Mafia are "New Death Eaters" ie. which flavour doesn't make sense to have Voldemort on said team.

Would you

Would you be

Would you be tho

[MacDougall]

Like we are playing a game in which the basic rules are that our ability to remove bad guys is via lynching and the ability for bad guys to remove us is via night kills. The current scenario flies in the face of this. If I was on a Mafia team that had two killed on day 3 by civilian vigs and zero lynched I would be questioning the balance.

Not to mention it's a Harry Potter themed game and the bad guys are fucking death sorcerers to boot so don't tell me fucking with the flips isn't flavour possible.

Serial killer that kills each night and their kills always have the dark mark on them? Maybe the serial killer is Voldemort himself given the Mafia are "New Death Eaters" ie. which flavour doesn't make sense to have Voldemort on said team.

Would you

Would you be

Would you be tho

Yeah I would, and I also wouldn't be doing it publicly because I know basic scrotes like you would come at me with basic bullshit.

[timmer]

So Mac, what I'm telling you is that there was no vig kill night 1. So who killed a bad nova? That's my issue. Both nights, multiple kills. Both nights, dead baddies. But NOT both nights vig killa so who killed them. And if it is someone unknown is it just weird odds that their kills were bad?

why can't the answer just be that there are two people with odd-night blast-ended skrewts? seems a little odd for balance purposes, but there are a lot of funky role manipulation possibilities in this setup so

But then 3 deaths night 2? I don't know, I'm lost at this point.

[DharmaHelper]

Any number of blocks, redirects, delays, etc could account for the kill fuckery.