Hogwarts Mafia - END

[Jackofhearts2005]

Guess I fucked up. Sorry if I could have prevented someone's death by not blocking Colin, stupid mistake. But thinking about it he looks better for this. Sprityo is still very likely imo so I'm voting there for now.

Nutella out here GRINDING for that "Oopsie Poopsie" 2018 award.

I already locked that one down in Mega Man.

[Jackofhearts2005]

DH has no reason to pull a last minute stunt on Jack if teamed unless he is playing a crazy deep game. Town.

Juliets is Glorf. Town.

Poutanko has seemed genuine especially when targeted, not to mention the copclaim was putting your neck out for no reason.

Luna’s copclaim is nonsense if she is not telling the truth.

Mac does not act like this today toward me if he is knowingly wrong.

Nutella doesn’t cop to her mistake unless she is also super Deep Wolf.

Timmer doesn’t do the townslip thing unless town.

I think it has to be sprit.

What if I told you I had two teammates and there’s a serial killer?

[Jackofhearts2005]

And a cult?

[DharmaHelper]

Fun.

[poutanko]

Do either of the two cops that aren't Jack have anything to add lmao.

Luna is the only one who can still function. I'm a spayed rabbit

[poutanko]

I really do not know how to argue against this. I sent DDL my action immediately after the Jack flip so your guess is as good as mine but seriously, use the time that you have and figure out who you’re voting for after me cause I’m not Jack’s partner.

I blocked you. Maybe that would cause Mac to get a nothing result but it seems like he should see what you tried to do

TFW you admit to blocking the guy who said he'd block the Outted mafia

.....I forgot about that lmao. I was gonna block kara but changed when I realized they had been inactive.

...but Kara was your strongest scum read.

[DharmaHelper]

I really do not know how to argue against this. I sent DDL my action immediately after the Jack flip so your guess is as good as mine but seriously, use the time that you have and figure out who you’re voting for after me cause I’m not Jack’s partner.

I blocked you. Maybe that would cause Mac to get a nothing result but it seems like he should see what you tried to do

TFW you admit to blocking the guy who said he'd block the Outted mafia

.....I forgot about that lmao. I was gonna block kara but changed when I realized they had been inactive.

...but Kara was your strongest scum read.

[nutella]

I really do not know how to argue against this. I sent DDL my action immediately after the Jack flip so your guess is as good as mine but seriously, use the time that you have and figure out who you’re voting for after me cause I’m not Jack’s partner.

I blocked you. Maybe that would cause Mac to get a nothing result but it seems like he should see what you tried to do

TFW you admit to blocking the guy who said he'd block the Outted mafia

.....I forgot about that lmao. I was gonna block kara but changed when I realized they had been inactive.

...but Kara was your strongest scum read.

Yes, but they weren't online to do any actions, so it would have been pointless, so I went with my next strongest suspect.

[nutella]

Unless scum can send in actions for their teammates which may be the case but I didn't have time to ask since I changed it at the deadline lol

[poutanko]

Kara made 3 or 4 posts during D5 so she wouldn't be modblocked N5.

[nutella]

Kara made 3 or 4 posts during D5 so she wouldn't be modblocked N5.

I'm not talking about modblocking. I'm talking about literally not being online to do a night action. Kara hasn't been on the site since sunday.

[sprityo]

I think it’s sprit. Most other folks are cleared.

Oh? Pray tell

[sprityo]

Page 2 of sprityo's ISO is the civviest shit I have ever read. Get your votes off him.

This is the nicest thing mac has ever said about me

Ever

[sprityo]

Alright lads I’ve come down with the flu so I’ve been throwing up all day and feeling like shit.


I’m quite surprised at my rapid wagon, but more surprised people just ignored mac

[nutella]

Alright lads I’ve come down with the flu so I’ve been throwing up all day and feeling like shit.


I’m quite surprised at my rapid wagon, but more surprised people just ignored mac

My vote is far from final. Convince me. Both that you're civ and that there is someone else I should vote for.

[nutella]

I need to look more critically into Luna and Timmer.

[juliets]

[mention]sprityo[/mention] I have a high regard for DH's opinion and I have to vote early this phase. Can you give me some reasons why I shouldn't vote you?

[nutella]

I respect the point that there doesn't seem to be an explicable scum motivation for Luna's move to save Sloonei yesterday. I'll still look at her iso holistically to weigh her stuff. But also I think there is reason to fear timmer tricked us early and he deserves scrutiny.

[juliets]

I respect the point that there doesn't seem to be an explicable scum motivation for Luna's move to save Sloonei yesterday. I'll still look at her iso holistically to weigh her stuff. But also I think there is reason to fear timmer tricked us early and he deserves scrutiny.

Thats funny - the "timmer tricked us" thought is running around my mind too.

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee why did you pick DH to check on Night 4? (I think it was night 4)

I thought DH might be scum, and if he was it would be nice to know since he was a pretty strong voice in the thread.

[nutella]

@Lunalee why did you pick DH to check on Night 4? (I think it was night 4)

I thought DH might be scum, and if he was it would be nice to know since he was a pretty strong voice in the thread.

Was there any particular reason you suspected him that you can share?

[Lunalee]

Alright lads I’ve come down with the flu so I’ve been throwing up all day and feeling like shit.


I’m quite surprised at my rapid wagon, but more surprised people just ignored mac

Oh no! Hope you feel better.

[Lunalee]

@Lunalee why did you pick DH to check on Night 4? (I think it was night 4)

I thought DH might be scum, and if he was it would be nice to know since he was a pretty strong voice in the thread.

Was there any particular reason you suspected him that you can share?

Part of it was his dogged suspicion of owner, who I knew day 2 was town. DH posted this on day 2:

Gonna be real fun looking through everyone bending over backwards to defend Owner if she flips bad.

And it looked like scum hopping on an easy town wagon.

Also the way DH jumped on my case day 1 and didn't really let up.

Yeah I've gotta be real with yall unless somebody outright fucks up and slips or somebody builds a damn good case, I'll probably default to a no-show as well.

The funny thing with this game is we might get some magnificent ties. Because if you're on a townie lynch that goes through, your house looses 2 points. So especially on day 1 if I don't have a good scum read, I would rather be a single vote on someone who's not going to die.

Oh good someone already fucked up. Thanks Luna :P

This looks juicy. Explain?

Luna is focused more on the House Cup mechanic, like in Firefly with TH and everyone who was so focused on Yun Qui being the best ship that they let themselves lose the game.

Also, how would she know her options are "Town lynch" or "put a random single vote on someone who isn't going to die".

Weak ping but a ping.

[Lunalee]

As for bullz... if the baddies aren't necessarily baddies... ugh, I may retract my vouch of bullz. Nova being bad was the centerpiece of my thoughts on that.

If there is even a single reason to believe in this stuff, then it needs to be stated clearly. It would define the entire civilian approach to the game. I have no clue whatsoever why we're talking about this. It's bonkers.

Alright, fuck it. I've been hesitant because I suspect that there is a counterpart to me in the game and I didn't want them to freak out and identify themselves. I'm an odd night vig. I tried to kill bullz night 1. I never considered that I hadbeen blocked, but I saw a kill that didn't happen and a dead BAD nova. I interpreted from the items and spells that bullz must have had the thing that lets you bounce night actions to someone else and he hit nova with it. I further concluded that if bullz was bad he obviously wouldn't have done that. It was the only thing that made sense.

In light of this I could for him.

After realizing I had been blocked I assumed that the mafia had targeted bullz instead because nova was obviously not their target, and somehow nova was dead, and I hadn't killed anyone.

But then another night goes by and another dead baddie ave iI and well hey there is probably an even night version of me and they succeeded yay them.

But now this what if they aren't bad idea, and THEN I realize wait, who the fuck has the second kill night 1 if it wasn't me? And here we are... there must be a third killer of some sort.

But now I'm totally exposed, which sucks, but it's really my own doing.

Idk guys. Does this sound like someone making up a story to you? Maybe I'm just too trusting, but I think Timmer's claim is believable.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why would DH be bad? He singlehandedly lynched all the mafia didn’t he? Wild!

[DharmaHelper]

Why would DH be bad? He singlehandedly lynched all the mafia didn’t he? Wild!

Garbageboi Stinkmans.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why would DH be bad? He singlehandedly lynched all the mafia didn’t he? Wild!

Garbageboi Stinkmans.

I know your secret.

[DharmaHelper]

Wild.

[DharmaHelper]

I respect the point that there doesn't seem to be an explicable scum motivation for Luna's move to save Sloonei yesterday. I'll still look at her iso holistically to weigh her stuff. But also I think there is reason to fear timmer tricked us early and he deserves scrutiny.

Which reason(s) do you have to think Timmer tricked us?

[nutella]

I respect the point that there doesn't seem to be an explicable scum motivation for Luna's move to save Sloonei yesterday. I'll still look at her iso holistically to weigh her stuff. But also I think there is reason to fear timmer tricked us early and he deserves scrutiny.

Which reason(s) do you have to think Timmer tricked us?

I haven't investigated yet but I think he is one of the remaining few people who makes sense as Jack's teammate if claims are disregarded, and I'm afraid that he might have been coasting on early cred, plus his claim hasn't really been backed by anything concrete and would be a feasible claim for mafia to fabricate imo.

[DharmaHelper]

I respect the point that there doesn't seem to be an explicable scum motivation for Luna's move to save Sloonei yesterday. I'll still look at her iso holistically to weigh her stuff. But also I think there is reason to fear timmer tricked us early and he deserves scrutiny.

Which reason(s) do you have to think Timmer tricked us?

I haven't investigated yet but I think he is one of the remaining few people who makes sense as Jack's teammate if claims are disregarded, and I'm afraid that he might have been coasting on early cred, plus his claim hasn't really been backed by anything concrete and would be a feasible claim for mafia to fabricate imo.

Neat.

[DharmaHelper]

People I think could be Jack'x teammate in order:

Sprityo
Timmer
Colin

[nutella]

So skimming through timmer's iso, a big thing that sticks out is that he was pretty instrumental in lynching LC afaict, and was one of the first to bring up suspicion on him. So if he were bad that would have been a pretty ballsy bus.

However, this post (following LC's flip) caught my eye (ow)

If you need a baddie from the house that doesn't have a baddie yet, may I return everyone's attention to Owner/sloonei, who Long Con saved at the last second on Day 1?

Timmer suspected Owner early and often, and I can't help but wonder if he bussed LC with a plan to make this point and frame slowner. This is just speculation though and tbf timmer had started going after owner on day 1 before the LC-saving-her had even happened so unless this was a really elaborate plan involving LC there's not much basis on which to found this theory. It could just be that the point in the above quote was a convenient thing he could turn to after LC flipped to direct focus onto a civ.

But all this feels pretty far-fetched and overall timmer looks pretty good from his iso.

[nutella]

Is the other person supposed to be confirmed scum if I didn't kill him? Doesn't sound like it, so why would I?

But... like, I don't want to sound rude, but isn't that exactly what it means?

If 2 people visited Long Con, and he died... one of the two killed him... right? So... if you know you didn't kill him... then from YOUR viewpoint, the other person is a baddie... right? So, if you are civ, why wouldn't you of ALL people be demanding this person's name?

Cuz LC's dead, man... LC's dead...

You reckon scum killed scum?

Oh FFS, ignore me. You're right, that makes no sense. I'll see myself out. Again. Jesus...

I had it backwards. Holy shit, lol. This is why I shouldn't be allowed to have nice things.

this whole thing reads genuine AF to me.

You must have somehow missed my big long post about Kara and speed in which I argue for Kara being scum regardless of speed's alignment. The main point is what was the motivation for flooing speed, seems like scum trying to get info.

I don't get this, or at least I don't get as a big enough reason to actually suspect someone.

I'm civ. I was trusting speedchuck. If I had floo powder, there is a good chance I'd have picked speed to chat with, as well.

So does this.



Yeah I think timmer's town.





....Gah except for this again

Moved my vote to sloonei. The Owner suspicion has been there since day fucking 1, and Long Con SAVED Owner...

He really keeps trying to hammer that in....

then there's his extreme skepticism toward DH in regards to the Jack thing, which to be fair was a reasonable thing to be skeptical of since DH didn't really explain why he was so confident Jack was bad, and I don't think timmer would have argued so fiercely about it if he were jack's teammate, but then again if he thought there was still a good chance of saving him from flipping... wait no he ended on jack eventually. yeah no he's legit.


idk man

[nutella]

aaaand sprityo's d5 looks town af (like mac said)

I'm going back to [VOTE: colin] aubergine via POE but I still have some caveats to sort out about him as well.

[nutella]

damn it but what if sprityo really did bus for the credit augh

but no, once he actually started playing his tone throughout everything is super genuine

[Lunalee]

[mention]nutella[/mention] what do you think of Poutanko as an option since you've eliminated sprityo and timmer?

[nutella]

@nutella what do you think of Poutanko as an option since you've eliminated sprityo and timmer?

I've considered it but haven't really given her much thought and I suppose I should.

[timmer]

Hey all, it's a body part grinding night apparently, I'll be catching up at some point tomorrow. Mayyyybe later tonight if I'm awake enough!

[nutella]

OK skimming poutanko's iso and I can see it. She kind of dances around jack/barely mentions him for a while. But then when she does start going after him it looks legit imo.

One thing that perplexes me -- who obliviated her? That's bugging me.


Also:

I won't lynch Quin. Speed's flip gave us both scum cred not town cred. Why didn't scum keep Speed alive for today's lynch? They haven't found even night vig or no reason to keep Speed alive aka better if he dies? The lynch would be directed on Quin or me.

Why did they kill Jay after keeping him alive for so long? Why now? Did he get too close to them for their liking?

Yesterday there were 4 people iirc who tried to put a doubt on my claim. DH, Timmer, Kara and Jack. Could be Town but could be scum who will get "town cred" for "siding with Speed" who of course they knew would flip town.
DH - keep pushing evil Hufflepuff agenda or keep having a beef with Owner/Sloonei. He got a cred for lynching LC tho.
Timmer - vig claim D3 is a bit too bold, more likely town.
Kara - one of PoE, after her meltdown D1/D2? rarely post or interact with people. Only her 2nd game so idk.
Jack - one of PoE, one of people Jay went after yesterday. Have a lot of posts but barely stand out. One who started wagon on Glorf D3. If he's scum, I would reconsider my read on Colin. I still incline to believe Colin is Town not only because of my result but also if I was imperio'd N1, less likely I would be imperio'd again N2 unless scum checked me N1. Dodo at work could be but how many dodos are there to cause 2 wrong reads in a row?

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine

[mention]poutanko[/mention] can you elaborate on the highlighted portion here?

[poutanko]

[mention]nutella[/mention] He started new wagon on Glorf when there were 2 wagon on LC and Colin. Since LC is scum and he dodge his wagon and not voted Colin to save LC I wonder if Colin is also his team mate.

[DharmaHelper]

[mention]nutella[/mention] Re-read Colin and Long Cons interactions.

[timmer]

Jack - "What if I claimed cop and cleared a buncha civs lol dope right?"
Timmer - "What if I claimed to be a vig that never killed anyone lol"

Just catching up, but I vigged Kara.

[timmer]

Galaxy Brain -

Lynch Jack today, Check Colin and protect the cops.

Like... pass on the lynch since we know Jack won't die? That's an odd strategy since we don't know if the baddies have fuck around powers left ?

[Jackofhearts2005]

@nutella what do you think of Poutanko as an option since you've eliminated sprityo and timmer?

I've considered it but haven't really given her much thought and I suppose I should.

Yeah, what if it’s Pout? Wild!

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack - "What if I claimed cop and cleared a buncha civs lol dope right?"
Timmer - "What if I claimed to be a vig that never killed anyone lol"

Just catching up, but I vigged Kara.

A likely story.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Galaxy Brain -

Lynch Jack today, Check Colin and protect the cops.

Like... pass on the lynch since we know Jack won't die? That's an odd strategy since we don't know if the baddies have fuck around powers left ?

[Secrets]

[Fuck around] - Jack is unlynchable as long as he’s being himself.

[timmer]

Before you frivolously and reactively vote for sprityo can you explain the fact that he voted for Jack in a 5 v 4 lynch?

We may need to check the timing on this. Iirc sprit and I both voted for jack around the same time, and I believe jack was down by 2 votes when sprit voted and then I brought him to within one of a tie. Sprit's vote MAY have been a partner gambit.

[timmer]

nutella deletes the people.

then timmer grinds them into chunks.

[timmer]

Some quick thoughts before bed because I have another double tomorrow.

Pout got a bad read on bullz. If he was tampered with that night, would he have been tampered with again the very next night? I doubt it, he didn't even claim cop until later so...

By that rationale, either pout is civ and so is colin. Or pout is bad, which go either way on colin?

As for sprit, I'd at least consider a lynch there but can people who know glorf please reiterate how rock solid his meta is... like, there is NO WAY he was bad? None? Because juliets is awful quiet, but it seems like glorfs meta is a complete gimme?