SPACE FORCE [END]

[dunya]

@Lunalee what do you think of dunya's suss of Dizzy?

fake, because she's not even voting for Dizzy. She suspected them before they showed up in thread, then as soon as they say "Hi Dunya" she seems to drop it.

Maybe my summary made it sound a little harsh, but I wasn't completely wrong, was I?

That's now what I got from your summary. Your summary made it sound I voted for them then dropped it after their "Hi dunya" post which was their first post. I voted for Dizzy after. I told TH why I voted there at the time and why I had Quin and nova in my suspect pool. Because everyone else had given me at least one reason to say they could be town and those 3 hadnt. Dizzy came in and threw up a poe list and indicated they will have more time to discuss tomorrow. That's cool. That list is more than most people have pushed for so I moved off them.

Does that paint a better picture of my thought process than the one scumchuck is trying to push?

[speedchuck]

I really hate being called scumchuck.
I also hate being called 'always scum.'

Maybe I found it funny at some point, but now it feels like I'm going up against Donald Trump.

Just a PSA for all you conscientious players out there.

[dunya]

I answered your question and gave you a purpose for my statement. Not sure what else you're looking for, scumchuck. Sorry your buddying tactic didnt work wirh me this game. Gotta change it up next time from the get go.

1. I've asked another question in thread. You didn't answer.
2. Your answer was garbage. Reminding people of the stakes ONLY when talking about my vote is still doing the same thing I said it did.
3. As scum, I only buddy people who are likely to get mislynched. The only time I'd ever buddy up to you was the time I did, in MK mafia.

The cop is very important. Your first "contributive" post was almost lecturing people how to use their PRs. It didn't sit well with me. I think everyone can decide for themselves how and when to reveal. Game mechanic talk is filler. And that was pretty much your most significant contribution besides 1 post shading daisy and despite being around a lot more than most of the other players here.

My answer was my answer. I don't appreciate it being called garbage. Whatever dude.

You tried to buddy me again this game. Please review your earlier posts.

[dunya]

I really hate being called scumchuck.
I also hate being called 'always scum.'

Maybe I found it funny at some point, but now it feels like I'm going up against Donald Trump.

Just a PSA for all you conscientious players out there.

Duly noted. I still think you're scum in this game, sorry.

[speedchuck]

The cop is very important. Your first "contributive" post was almost lecturing people how to use their PRs. It didn't sit well with me. I think everyone can decide for themselves how and when to reveal. Game mechanic talk is filler. And that was pretty much your most significant contribution besides 1 post shading daisy and despite being around a lot more than most of the other players here.

My answer was my answer. I don't appreciate it being called garbage. Whatever dude.

You tried to buddy me again this game. Please review your earlier posts.

How important, Dunya? Quantify it. And yes, I'm getting to something here.

It wasn't a stupid answer. It was very well written. I don't think you're dumb for posting it. I think it was correct. I still think it was a scummy thing to do with that post.

It's not buddying if I'm town.

[dunya]

Ooooh dunya is scum for a fact

What about dunya looks scummy?

Meh I'm on the fence now. Does anyone feel like they have a clear grasp of what her town and scum games are? I know Daisy is townreading her.

You've seen my town and scum games. You were my town hydra partner. What distinctions are here that weren't there?

[Turnip Head]

Speedchuck looks like his townie self to me

[Turnip Head]

Idk dunya I'm just poking. You played a smooth baddie game in Ancient Greece so I know you're capable

[dunya]

How important, Dunya? Quantify it. And yes, I'm getting to something here.

The cop doesn't just strike lucky by hitting a scum, but he or she strikes lucky every night by town confirming people and avoiding them from getting mislynched the next day in a game where we only have a couple of mislynches before LyLo.

[dunya]

Idk dunya I'm just poking. You played a smooth baddie game in Ancient Greece so I know you're capable

[speedchuck]

How important, Dunya? Quantify it. And yes, I'm getting to something here.

The cop doesn't just strike lucky by hitting a scum, but he or she strikes lucky every night by town confirming people and avoiding them from getting mislynched the next day in a game where we only have a couple of mislynches before LyLo.

What about the scum power role?

[dunya]

How important, Dunya? Quantify it. And yes, I'm getting to something here.

The cop doesn't just strike lucky by hitting a scum, but he or she strikes lucky every night by town confirming people and avoiding them from getting mislynched the next day in a game where we only have a couple of mislynches before LyLo.

What about the scum power role?

...are you trying to dumb it down for me? Yes, I know there's a scum power role. That doesn't make the cop role worthless.

[speedchuck]

How important, Dunya? Quantify it. And yes, I'm getting to something here.

The cop doesn't just strike lucky by hitting a scum, but he or she strikes lucky every night by town confirming people and avoiding them from getting mislynched the next day in a game where we only have a couple of mislynches before LyLo.

What about the scum power role?

...are you trying to dumb it down for me? Yes, I know there's a scum power role. That doesn't make the cop role worthless.

Are you playing games with me?

[dunya]

Are you saying because a godfather exists then the cop role is worthless? Is that what you're trying to hint at? Cos I'm not following. So either make yourself clear or we're gonna be here all night (and I'm going to sleep soon). Do you always devalue the cop role in that case?

[Lunalee]

How important, Dunya? Quantify it. And yes, I'm getting to something here.

The cop doesn't just strike lucky by hitting a scum, but he or she strikes lucky every night by town confirming people and avoiding them from getting mislynched the next day in a game where we only have a couple of mislynches before LyLo.

What about the scum power role?

The Chinese/Russian/Lunar Alien with space plasma nukes? We don't even know what this special role does. But from the "space plasma nukes" part I would assume it lets them take extra kill(s).

[dunya]

Don't let us scare you off from contributing sabie sorry I turned the thread into a mess. Seems to always happen to me day1. Hope to see more of your thoughts. What did you think of Quin's posts earlier today?

[speedchuck]

Are you saying because a godfather exists

The Chinese/Russian/Lunar Alien with space plasma nukes? We don't even know what this special role does.

Boom shaka-freaking-laka.

Scumtell.

[dunya]

How important, Dunya? Quantify it. And yes, I'm getting to something here.

The cop doesn't just strike lucky by hitting a scum, but he or she strikes lucky every night by town confirming people and avoiding them from getting mislynched the next day in a game where we only have a couple of mislynches before LyLo.

What about the scum power role?

The Chinese/Russian/Lunar Alien with space plasma nukes? We don't even know what this special role does. But from the "space plasma nukes" part I would assume it lets them take extra kill(s).

I thought so too. And I thought we have a vig instead of a doctor but I didn't wanna seem stupid if I'm not understanding the space lingo in the role names. It's a given if we have a cop we would have a godfather to balance it, I think, but perhaps we have a tracker instead.

[speedchuck]

[dunya]

Are you saying because a godfather exists

The Chinese/Russian/Lunar Alien with space plasma nukes? We don't even know what this special role does.

Boom shaka-freaking-laka.

Scumtell.

You're oozing TMI. You were the first instigator that a cop and doctor exist. If a cop exists, a godfather exists. Also genuinely curious about how did you translate the second PR to read as doctor?

[dunya]

I guess a godfather would know a cop exists...

[speedchuck]

Are you saying because a godfather exists

The Chinese/Russian/Lunar Alien with space plasma nukes? We don't even know what this special role does.

Boom shaka-freaking-laka.

Scumtell.

You're oozing TMI. You were the first instigator that a cop and doctor exist. If a cop exists, a godfather exists. Also genuinely curious about how did you translate the second PR to read as doctor?

I asked JJJ about the scum PR. He wouldn't tell me. You did.

1x Satellite Surveillance Engineer - obviously doctor, right? Maybe it could actually be an info role, but I immediately saw engineer and went trippin.
1x Mars Space Force Base Alpha death ray laser beam operator - ???

Admittedly I did assume cop in my first post, but that does in fact look more like a vig.

[speedchuck]

In my first post I said something about "assuming" a doctor. Perhaps I should have done the same for cop.

Sadly, I can't call out your scumslip without sounding like a hypocrite. Nevertheless, I was trying to bait you into talking about the scum PR, and you called it a Godfather without a second thought (until Luna showed up).

So maybe we have a cop and a one-shot vig or something. Nevertheless, why did your thoughts jump to Godfather?

[dunya]

Surveillance engineer is a doctor??? Yeah, no.

Have you ever played a game with a cop without a godfather? The godfather is the counter role to the cop. I've never played a game with a cop and no godfather.

So I wanna know how you discovered there was a cop and doctor from the PR. Cos surveillance and doctor aren't 2 words I associate with each other in mafia.

[dunya]

Sadly, I can't call out your scumslip without sounding like a hypocrite. Nevertheless, I was trying to bait you into talking about the scum PR, and you called it a Godfather without a second thought (until Luna showed up).

I don't believe you. But I'm biased so I invite everyone else to weigh in.

[speedchuck]

Surveillance engineer is a doctor??? Yeah, no.

Have you ever played a game with a cop without a godfather? The godfather is the counter role to the cop. I've never played a game with a cop and no godfather.

So I wanna know how you discovered there was a cop and doctor from the PR. Cos surveillance and doctor aren't 2 words I associate with each other in mafia.

Engineer = doctor. I skimmed the roles.

I've played SEVERAL games with cops and without godfathers. Do you want me to link them to you?

And no, I don't know that there's a cop/doctor combo. It's my best guess based on a setup like this I played on another site.

[speedchuck]

Sadly, I can't call out your scumslip without sounding like a hypocrite. Nevertheless, I was trying to bait you into talking about the scum PR, and you called it a Godfather without a second thought (until Luna showed up).

I don't believe you. But I'm biased so I invite everyone else to weigh in.

You don't believe that I was baiting you? Did you read my posts?

[Lunalee]

Surveillance engineer is a doctor??? Yeah, no.

Have you ever played a game with a cop without a godfather? The godfather is the counter role to the cop. I've never played a game with a cop and no godfather.

So I wanna know how you discovered there was a cop and doctor from the PR. Cos surveillance and doctor aren't 2 words I associate with each other in mafia.

Are you accusing speed of a town-slip? What if he has one of these roles he "knows so much about"? Though if that is so, his first game mechanic posts wouldn't make much sense.

[Turnip Head]

How important, Dunya? Quantify it. And yes, I'm getting to something here.

The cop doesn't just strike lucky by hitting a scum, but he or she strikes lucky every night by town confirming people and avoiding them from getting mislynched the next day in a game where we only have a couple of mislynches before LyLo.

What about the scum power role?

The Chinese/Russian/Lunar Alien with space plasma nukes? We don't even know what this special role does. But from the "space plasma nukes" part I would assume it lets them take extra kill(s).

I thought so too. And I thought we have a vig instead of a doctor but I didn't wanna seem stupid if I'm not understanding the space lingo in the role names. It's a given if we have a cop we would have a godfather to balance it, I think, but perhaps we have a tracker instead.

Why would town dunya care about looking stupid? Methinks you talked about these roles behind the scenes instead

[dunya]

Are you accusing speed of a town-slip? What if he has one of these roles he "knows so much about"? Though if that is so, his first game mechanic posts wouldn't make much sense.

No. I was accusing him of knowing there was a godfather. A godfather indicates a cop. He didn't even see the survailence part of that role and called it a doctor and called the second one a possible cop. Yeah I don't think speed would make this big a mistake as scum.

Also I don't really wanna discuss game mechanics anymore.

[speedchuck]

Let's discuss something else, then.

Earlier in the game I said:

2 scum, 7 townies.

Ignoring what I think is a doctor, we have 2 mislynches available before LYLO. In order to give us an extra day, the doctor would have to protect successfully twice. That is unlikely. Therefore, if the doctor DOES protect someone, it might be helpful for them to claim and name their target at endgame, or if things are going badly.

If the cop gets a guilty check, go ahead and claim obviously. Getting half the mafia is great.

These claims might be more contested if we don't get roleflips from nightkills.

I like the setup, it's pretty standard.

IMMEDIATELY AFTER MY POST DUNYA SAID

oh poop, im seeing town speed there. so now i have sabie and speed locked town. feeling daisy is town too. 4/9 town on day 0 isn't a bad deal.

Later in the game, she said

Your first "contributive" post was almost lecturing people how to use their PRs. It didn't sit well with me.

LIES

[Turnip Head]

^ spicyyyyyy, caught her red handed tbqh

[dunya]

Why would town dunya care about looking stupid? Methinks you talked about these roles behind the scenes instead

Not really. Game mechanic and roles is not something I bother myself with. There's 2 PRs whatever they are. They aren't worthless. I will not lynch a complete no show in a Heist with 9 players, ever because of that. Whoever is a PR, good luck!

[speedchuck]

I'm going to quit posting for a while and come back when I'm less obnoxious.

[dunya]

If we all made our minds up at first read, what's the point of mafia? Anyway I think I've had enough of this tonight. Good night.

[Turnip Head]

Tag me in chuck, I'll toot your horn

[Turnip Head]

If we all made our minds up at first read, what's the point of mafia? Anyway I think I've had enough of this tonight. Good night.

Don't go we're just having fun

But goodnight

[Lunalee]

Here's my take on the roles for anyone who's interested:

Spacemen of the United States Space Force

1x Satellite Surveillance Engineer - this would make sense as a cop role. The "surveil" other players and receive some visual feedback on them
1x Mars Space Force Base Alpha death ray laser beam operator - death beam operator has to be a townie with a one-shot kill. Whoever has this role, please don't use it on the first night. Wait until we have better ideas on people, so you don't shoot town in the foot.
5x Vanilla Space[wo]men -boring townies

Those who threaten the freedom of the United States of America and its dominance of outer space

1x Chinese or Maybe Russian or even Lunar Alien with space plasma nukes - extra kill for scum team. Perhaps it's a one-shot to off set town's death beam operator
1x Vanilla National Security Threat - boring baddie

[Lunalee]

Also I think Speed v Dunya is Town v Town. Dunya mentioned the godfather role on instinct, because it's a pretty common role in mafia. But I think she's wrong because it sounds to me like scum would have an extra shot ability instead of godfather ability.

[speedchuck]

If we all made our minds up at first read, what's the point of mafia? Anyway I think I've had enough of this tonight. Good night.

Well now I really feel like a butt.

I'll come back and pursue other people later. Dunya's thing with the Godfather sorta makes sense, and isn't much different from me assuming random things about the townpeople. Could be a scumslip, but not likely.

The other inconsistency stands because of tense usage. There are some things that don't look great.

So yeah, I'd say I scumread Dunya after reflexively tunnelling her to the point that I'm hitting her over the head with the shovel. Meanwhile half the players haven't been involved in this discussion and the only other person I've read is Turbup head.

We have 26 hours left. See you guys in a bit.

[Turnip Head]

I could vote for dizzy. Such quiet much suspicious

[Dyslexicon]

Catch up 2

This is not okay

It's a sign of love and devotion.

Also, for anyone giving me side-eye for my turnip head vote, I really don't expect it to stay there. I have until tomorrow evening to engage everyone a bit more and make a well-though-out decision.

I don't really get this. Why are you voting him at this time?

@Lunalee what do you think of dunya's suss of Dizzy?

Actually, what is anyone's opinion on this? I assumed she was just happy to see me, but it seems she was not happy to see me (?) Which is very rude and hurtful.

pretty sure luna is town. something about the way she plays the civ game makes her look scummy as hell and she plays a lot more focused and careful as scum. if i'm scum reading her way early in the game it's cos she's civ probably. when i town read her too early, she's scum.

pretty sure speed is scum at this point.

I had Luna as a typical "scummy looking player" type in another game where she looked really scummy, but there she was scum lol. I don't understand the Turnip vote and the comment that it shouldn't be taken seriously. Do you think she's good at looking town when she's scum, or are you saying something else?

....and he votes for the complete inactive who could very well be one of our town PRs.

Oh cool. Like you were going for me and other inactives before I had even started playing.

-20

@dunya how useful do you think the cop is in this game?

I'm cool with anyone answering this, but would prefer Dunya.

Are players here used to cop cover? I think we sort of used it in a game I was scum in here. I don't really care super much, but it's a thing. Meow.

Do you really think I would flippantly say "yah, I love being scum" in thread if I were actually scum? Sounds dangerous to me and I wouldn't do it.

I suck, but I want to believe that you believe this.

You've seen my town and scum games. You were my town hydra partner. What distinctions are here that weren't there?

Could you or someone link the most recent ones?
Since I nothing but time these days >_>

Are you saying because a godfather exists then the cop role is worthless? Is that what you're trying to hint at? Cos I'm not following. So either make yourself clear or we're gonna be here all night (and I'm going to sleep soon). Do you always devalue the cop role in that case?

Am I being dumb, cause I don't find where it says we or scum have any particular role? I mean, we can assume, but I'm not getting godfather from the words when I read it. I'd rather just scum hunt really.

I thought so too. And I thought we have a vig instead of a doctor but I didn't wanna seem stupid if I'm not understanding the space lingo in the role names. It's a given if we have a cop we would have a godfather to balance it, I think, but perhaps we have a tracker instead.

Lol, if there's vig AND extra kill this game could be over already. I'm all for it.
More importantly, who cares? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm going to quit posting for a while and come back when I'm less obnoxious.

I hope you are town.

[Dyslexicon]

Catch up 1

DIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[Big turd]

Oh wow. I had forgotten. o.o

/Dunya so relatable omg.

The rules don't say anything about no double targeting, so if we have a cop and a doctor the cop could claim now and be protected every night til the doc dies... just an idea, I'm sure there's pros and cons

I'm always tempted to just have mass claim in set games like this, especially the small ones. I don't care much for protecting PT or whatever, and scum would be less smart to claim anything but vt. Could be done D2 as well. Consider it.

Am I the only one who gets all excited when I roll scum?

You would be one of those. : p

[VOTE: dizzy] aubergine

Still rude btw.

dunya
Spacedaisy
sabie12
Turnip
speedchuck
Lunalee

Quin
novaselinenever
Dizzy

for my info. I have at least one reason to town read people in the top list. I have 0 reason for the bottom 3. I'll be lynching someone there today.

I'm town though. I'm up for hearing the reasons for the town reads. I have sabie as a town read and that's it at this point.

As in, if dunya and No Lynch were our only options today, which would you choose?

That guy over there.

I like what Dunya's doing right now, which is good. Her intuition is proven to be pretty strong.

I...
Does this mean that you agree with her reads?

i'm being really careless about my pronouns towards dizzy and TH and i apologize wholeheartedly. i am hitting myself for not being able to edit my posts but i'll try to pay more attention and be better.

This is funny for raisins, but you can use any pronoun you'd like for me.

[Dyslexicon]

Wrong order. I like it. %)

[Dyslexicon]

I could vote for dizzy. Such quiet much suspicious

Hi!

[Dyslexicon]

If we all made our minds up at first read, what's the point of mafia? Anyway I think I've had enough of this tonight. Good night.

Not to be as obnoxious as Speed (I don't think you are, Speed (and I don't think I need to clarify that really : p)), but what do you mean by that first thing specifically? Where is it coming from? From my pov it looks more like you've been making your mind up to scum read people and then just go for that. Do you think that's unfair to say?

[Dyslexicon]

Reads be like

Townish:
sabie
Speed
Luna

Scummish:
dunya

Neutral:
Everyone else

I read sabie town cause I just do.
I'm very much following Speed's perspective. I do thing we have similar ways of thinking in games, but really my reason for thinking he's town is the "wait a minute" kind of turn at dunya.
Knd of want to yolo read Luna town for what I think are really unrealistic setup speculations. Am I dumb?
I don't really have a read on Turnip, but I don't find anything wrong in their posts.

dunya is really the only one that stands out to me that makes me go nope. Don't like the way she left me (even if the push itself was random), cause at that time I had said I scum read two players who were her town reads. The push on Speed doesn't seem to come from anywhere. Also also the calling out Speed for voting what could be PTs is lol, cause that's like exactly what she did. Thoughts?

I think dunya town read both Space and Quin (?) Would she do that if they were teamed?

[Dyslexicon]

And then nobody is around?

[Dyslexicon]

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

Also, I think we think similarly about a lot of stuff. ^^

[Dyslexicon]

Thread needs more Space and Quin btw