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[dunya]

Ok, I think I am back to seeing you as town Speed. I like the way your reads develop, they don't just stay consistent. If you are bad you could've just held onto the dunya case like a dog with a bone and I don't think anyone would have seen you as bad.

curious about this, where has speed dropped his suspicions of me? like, since the beginning of the game i've been one mislynch away in speed's poe.

[dunya]

anyway i'm back. i thought i had something juicy on dizzy about quin but it turned out i didn't so i'm goinna cont in his iso where i left off.

[dunya]

About 90% of the stuff you've said today reminds me of MK mafia day 3 more than anything else anyway (I've just now been rereading it).

if you can read me as scummy for changing my town read to a scum read about a game mechanic post you made on day 0 and my read changed on day 1, what can i say about this, speed, and your persistence to scum read me despite it? i was town in mk, y'know.

(things come up when you iso other people and i will comment on them as they come)

[speedchuck]

About 90% of the stuff you've said today reminds me of MK mafia day 3 more than anything else anyway (I've just now been rereading it).

if you can read me as scummy for changing my town read to a scum read about a game mechanic post you made on day 0 and my read changed on day 1, what can i say about this, speed, and your persistence to scum read me despite it? i was town in mk, y'know.

(things come up when you iso other people and i will comment on them as they come)

There are reasons to scum read you and there are reasons to town read you. I've been back and forth. Twas leaning scum again until your comment about Sabie's death.

I even said that in my SINS OF DUNYA post. There are reasons to townread you too.

[dunya]

I townread Dyslexicon and Spacedaisy
I don't have any feelings toward Turnip head.
Luna is hard for me to personally read, and I've been back and forth on her. Light townread. I think Dizzy made a good point, and Luna not remembering scum Dunya is normal to me. I didn't remember scumya in AG and I was on her team. (I was thinking of Fire Emblem when it first came up)
I'd rather not lynch Sabie with this being D1. They've been very non-committal, so I don't have anything hard to nail down one way or another.
Still have my suspicions about Dunya, though I found yet another post that made her read on me seem more genuine. IDK.

Quin jumped all over people about the no-lynch stuff for no reason. I thought initially that it was a good look for him, but rereading it has me changing my mind.

Quin got on to Luna and Dunya about them crapping on No Lynch. Luna actually did vote TH over a no-lynch, while Dunya just asked him for a case while saying no-lynches were anti-town. Quin grouped those two in together because "scum never suggest no lynches and they should know that" (I've been scum and tricked town into a no-lynch before, and Quin was scum with me at the time, but that's beside the point.)
I don't think I could get anything scummy out of Luna and Dunya's posts. It's not like they were condemning TH. Just prodding him, and Dunya didn't even do it over the no-lynch as much as the unexplained vote.

I'm not against a Dunya or Quin lynch. Sabie and TH, though I need to look over them again, aren't off the options list. I could be convinced on Luna if someone cares to do so.

We have 4 hours. I'll be in and out.

I am curious how you were still not against a dunya lynch after posting all those positive things about me here. I mean, it doesn't seem like a logical conclusion if someone reads this post...

[Lunalee]

This is the most meta mafia game I've ever played. And I'm excited for it.

What does this even mean?

Because irl I'm a space women who works to protect the U.S. from enemy nukes. Just thought it was funny.

Am I the only one who gets all excited when I roll scum?

Got 'em.

LOL

Voting Quin. I don't have the best feeling about him right now. Everyone else looks like varying levels of civ, and then there's Quin, who frankly hasn't done much to push him either way.

Luna was second to vote for Quin. That's not really a "walk back to find your house on fire" situation.

No. No it's not. There is no logical reason for me to vote Quin if he were my teammate.

[dunya]

resuming.

so this is where dizzy lays a first vote on Quin. it's 5.45pm on my time stamp thing which is completely effed up cos i changed time zones and also daylight saving happened so whatever that means.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

itt, dizzy was mostly questioning me. it seemed out of character for them to throw down a quin vote despite not having made any reads on them. i was their suspect, speedchuck was their only vocal town read who was scum reading me; why was quin being voted then?

after his vote, he kinda goes away.

Voting Quin. I don't have the best feeling about him right now. Everyone else looks like varying levels of civ, and then there's Quin, who frankly hasn't done much to push him either way.

Luna is the second vote on Quin. this was her reasoning, which seems genuine to me and I felt the same way about Dizzy/Quin/Nova when I was doing my own POE so I can get behind this vote. it was 8.25pm in my time stamp here. so about 5.5hrs before EOD.

Fair enough. He has been relatively absent and not doing a whole lot.
As I said before leaning dyslexicon at the moment due to a lot of random accusations with not much reasoning behind them even when asked about it. One response was raisins which I assume meant reasons but maybe Im wrong. Either way I'm putting my vote there for now.

sabie throws a dizzy accusation of her own, glad someone else was feeling what I was feeling. she votes dizzy alongside me.

dunya - The last scum game I remember was the Currents game. It's a rather old Heist game iirc. I haven't been scum in ages though, not here and not on any other site. It doesn't happen to me, cause I'm always town. Meow ^^

sabie - What reads do you think I've not explained. Cause I don't really feel like I have strong reads at all right now. If you're refering to my first read list those were just fake reads, cause I knew I wouldn't be able to post for a while and I hoped for some kind of reactions for when I had the time. I hadn't even read the thread then, just skimmed who was in the game from that page. That may seem strange to you, but flinging things around is what I do if I don't have any direction.

Problem this day is that I can't be around anymore, and I probably can't much of the weekend either.

I'm trying to take in what other's say about dunya. I really don't know about her, and maybe I'm just worried that she's scum and I don't want to let shit fly if she is. And this is pretty self-absorbed, but I noticed on this site I'm way more often seen as an "easy target" and am pushed more by scum than on my home site, especially with players who haven't played with me. Happened almost every game here actually. (I don't really think I'm an easy target myself, but that's another matter).

Another thing about dunya is I don't get why she's hung up on me. She mentioned intuition, which ok, I also have gut reads and vote based on that if it comes up, but at the same time when she said that she also gave a qualifier for the intution, me saying hi to her. Which is so random to me and can easily be checked if that is something I do in games or not. I don't even know if this makes sense to anyone but me, but I can't really get past this.

Anyway, likely won't be around when day ends and stuff, so I'm just going to ask that if people want to vote me it would be superb if they could at least say why.

I don't know who I want to vote for. Either I'll just leave my vote on Quin because he hasn't done much, which is not a great reason. Meow. Normally I'd be tempted to sheep a town read, but I don't even know if I have a town read. Maybe Speed, but I think most of all he just tends to make sense to me.

I have almost no concept of Space (lol). But if dunya is scum I'm thinking Space is almost certainly town.

after all of that, dizzy keeps their vote on Quin? i'm as perplexed about this as i was when Quin voted for Luna. dizzy was neutrally reading Quin but suddenly is being voted for because he hasn't done much but dunya, who they are throwing all kinds of shade on and basically calling scum, is not voted for? this seems very odd to me.

dizzy does come back into the thread, at 2.30am so that would be 30mins past voting deadline. spacedaisy sealed the deal on quin with 30 mins to spare so I am confident in her being town. Luna was also online to react after the flip. her last post before that was 4 hours before eod.

hard to say if she also "accidentally" lynched her team mate so it would be worth it to iso luna before eod.

anyway, i still feel worst about dizzy at this point. i'm going on a limb by giving mac some town credit because i don't feel like he would enjoy winning a game without making any effort so here's to hoping mac is vanilla.

will iso luna, but i can definitely see dizzy throwing a random vote on team mate quin not knowing where it was going all the while building the thread to scum read me but not taking part in following through with my lynch because they know i would flip town. that's how their day 1 reads to me.

[dunya]

if i had to choose one of dizzy and luna -- who is more likely to have "accidentally" lynched their teammate, it would be dizzy. luna made it a three-way tie between quin, dizzy and myself iirc. she could have easily latched onto lynching me or dizzy without garnering much suspicion. a teammate wouldn't have brought their scum PR into a threeway tie. I just can't see that happening.

[dunya]

similarly, i can't see daisy being scum in any context.

daisy and luna are town.

poe is between dizzy and mac, mostly dizzy as i can see genuine reasons why it could be them.

i would like to iso speed also. not sure if i will have a chance to finish it, so if anyone else has some spare time pls do.

[dunya]

i'm gonna stop tinfoiling on luna.

mac pls come in here and give me a genuine reason to town read you so we can stop wasting time worrying if youre town or not.

[dunya]

Luna was second to vote for Quin. That's not really a "walk back to find your house on fire" situation.

No. No it's not. There is no logical reason for me to vote Quin if he were my teammate.

i gotta agree, in a game this small, distancing by creating a three-way tie that could go any direction and not making a pointed effort to check into the thread before eod to make a vote change is not something i can see happening with you. the scum need 3 mislynches to win the game; in an environment where i was being scum read and dizzy was too, if luna was quin's partner she would have created a reason to vote either of us. it would have been entirely too easy day 1 to do that, especially with the push i had against me i am genuinely surprised i didn't get mislynched day 1.

[dunya]

I am a vanilla civilian with poor reception for the next 25 hours

so mac did check in before end of night and would have likely seen sabie's cop claim.

[dunya]

I will only be angry if it's Mac at this point. Give Hogwarts a break and help us solve this game Mac.

do you think 48 hours is too little time to expect some kind of real contribution from the inactive's replacement in a game that is pretty thin in content? you showed disapproval for this twice and i don't really understand why. this is a fast paced game. it could be over in 2 days. why can't i be genuine by wanting more content for my poe?

[dunya]

I think it's Lunalee and I know that's a red hot take and especially poor taste given I just caused her mislynch in the other game but I can't help it it's how I feel.

luna always feels bad on day 1. this is like your day 1. give it another day and you'll come around to town reading her.

also you seem convinced she bussed quin: what about dizzy? give me your hot take on dizzy pls.

[dunya]

I don’t think I’m ever voting Luna or Spacey here, unless they have a specific history of random bussing.

I think it’s dunya.

the thing i hate about this post is that they don't even say "i think it's dunya or mac" the same way daisy or speed do, for example. if someone wants to call mac townier than me, then i'm gonna be suspicions and you better be ready with reasons why.

[speedchuck]

I will only be angry if it's Mac at this point. Give Hogwarts a break and help us solve this game Mac.

do you think 48 hours is too little time to expect some kind of real contribution from the inactive's replacement in a game that is pretty thin in content? you showed disapproval for this twice and i don't really understand why. this is a fast paced game. it could be over in 2 days. why can't i be genuine by wanting more content for my poe?

It's the 'anger' part. Why would you be angry if he's scum? Your follow up post here doesn't even address that.

[speedchuck]

I townread Dyslexicon and Spacedaisy
I don't have any feelings toward Turnip head.
Luna is hard for me to personally read, and I've been back and forth on her. Light townread. I think Dizzy made a good point, and Luna not remembering scum Dunya is normal to me. I didn't remember scumya in AG and I was on her team. (I was thinking of Fire Emblem when it first came up)
I'd rather not lynch Sabie with this being D1. They've been very non-committal, so I don't have anything hard to nail down one way or another.
Still have my suspicions about Dunya, though I found yet another post that made her read on me seem more genuine. IDK.

Quin jumped all over people about the no-lynch stuff for no reason. I thought initially that it was a good look for him, but rereading it has me changing my mind.

Quin got on to Luna and Dunya about them crapping on No Lynch. Luna actually did vote TH over a no-lynch, while Dunya just asked him for a case while saying no-lynches were anti-town. Quin grouped those two in together because "scum never suggest no lynches and they should know that" (I've been scum and tricked town into a no-lynch before, and Quin was scum with me at the time, but that's beside the point.)
I don't think I could get anything scummy out of Luna and Dunya's posts. It's not like they were condemning TH. Just prodding him, and Dunya didn't even do it over the no-lynch as much as the unexplained vote.

I'm not against a Dunya or Quin lynch. Sabie and TH, though I need to look over them again, aren't off the options list. I could be convinced on Luna if someone cares to do so.

We have 4 hours. I'll be in and out.

I am curious how you were still not against a dunya lynch after posting all those positive things about me here. I mean, it doesn't seem like a logical conclusion if someone reads this post...

I said that I found one other thing that made your progression on me look more genuine. I said that you didn't look bad specifically in your response to Quin.

That's just a couple of positive things.

[speedchuck]

Basically

Nothing towny that you've done, [mention]dunya[/mention], has made the scummy things go away.
Nothing scummy that you've done has made the towny things go away.

You've done more towny things than Mac. You've done more scummy things than Mac.

Strongest point in your favor right now is the Sabie kill.

[dunya]

I will only be angry if it's Mac at this point. Give Hogwarts a break and help us solve this game Mac.

do you think 48 hours is too little time to expect some kind of real contribution from the inactive's replacement in a game that is pretty thin in content? you showed disapproval for this twice and i don't really understand why. this is a fast paced game. it could be over in 2 days. why can't i be genuine by wanting more content for my poe?

It's the 'anger' part. Why would you be angry if he's scum? Your follow up post here doesn't even address that.

because he hasn't done anything. i would rather lose to someone who puts effort into the game than someone who doesn't contribute. i would also be angry if he's vanilla townie and allows us to mislynch him without helping us to town read him.

[dunya]

Basically

Nothing towny that you've done, dunya, has made the scummy things go away.
Nothing scummy that you've done has made the towny things go away.

You've done more towny things than Mac. You've done more scummy things than Mac.

Strongest point in your favor right now is the Sabie kill.

then you can't read me for poop. if you're town that is. i'm happy with this game either way in the same way TH should be. a good "remember that game when you gave me shit speed?" reference point for future games. also a good reference point for new town dunya.

[speedchuck]

I will only be angry if it's Mac at this point. Give Hogwarts a break and help us solve this game Mac.

do you think 48 hours is too little time to expect some kind of real contribution from the inactive's replacement in a game that is pretty thin in content? you showed disapproval for this twice and i don't really understand why. this is a fast paced game. it could be over in 2 days. why can't i be genuine by wanting more content for my poe?

It's the 'anger' part. Why would you be angry if he's scum? Your follow up post here doesn't even address that.

because he hasn't done anything. i would rather lose to someone who puts effort into the game than someone who doesn't contribute. i would also be angry if he's vanilla townie and allows us to mislynch him without helping us to town read him.

See, I get that. That makes sense.

Your post confused me because you didn't represent the bolded part there.

[speedchuck]

then you can't read me for poop.

I mean... when have I ever correctly read you?

[dunya]

it's between dizzy and mac. sorry i can't help you town read me more guys. i'll try to be here tomorrow if i'm alive, which i likely will be.

mac going after luna out of all people...just doesn't seem like scum mac to me. with the environment in this thread, scum mac would have either agreed with me that dizzy was bad or he would have latched onto speed and dizzy's cases on me and garnered easy support from daisy who is on the fence about me. i know it's not a lot to "town-confirm" someone, but what he didn't do gives me more reason to place him below dizzy on the scum-o-meter, sadly.

i will be voting dizzy tomorrow ftr and continue pushing for their lynch.

[dunya]

then you can't read me for poop.

I mean... when have I ever correctly read you?

U-Pick

[dunya]

is luna really a space woman irl btw!?

[speedchuck]

is luna really a space woman irl btw!?

We both work for engineering contractors, in space systems and such. Our feet are on the ground, but our work leaves the atmosphere.

[speedchuck]

then you can't read me for poop.

I mean... when have I ever correctly read you?

U-Pick

[MacDougall]

i'm gonna stop tinfoiling on luna.

mac pls come in here and give me a genuine reason to town read you so we can stop wasting time worrying if youre town or not.

Oiiiiii I don't know how.

[MacDougall]

Titling boring ISO walls to make them seem grand is something I have done as Mafia.

[Dyslexicon]

My question about Dizzy is where ge votes were when the Quin vote was placed and did Dizzy return to the thread after Luna’s vote ?

Yeah, I was here after Luna voted.

[Dyslexicon]

I reread dizzy and didn't like the progression of their reads.

What reads specifically? I feel I barely had reads D1. Me voting someone =/= me having a read if that is unclear to you.

[Dyslexicon]

but pay attention: i wasn't here during sabie's flip. i didn't get back to the game till the next day. you're all assuming as the last mafia i would have -chosen- to nk sabie who was everyone's second suspect, why?

Ok. But now YOU pay attention. I wasn't around ALL of N1. I'm pretty sure I mentioned it in the game already that I wouldn't be. I was playing in a yearly championship that went over the weekend, and since I've won that many times it's kind of a big deal for me. That was all I did that weekend, I was not thinking about any mafia stuff, and I didn't see sabie claimed beforI caught up with the thread again. However, I wasn't that surprised that sabie was PT really, cause she said she had gotten a good role (or something like that) so I already thought she could be. Same could go for you. Also, I checked, and you said you would try to check in before EoD, and sabie did not claim that late our time. This hinges on you not just checking the thread. I'm more interested in why you're using this as a defense and completely ignore that I wasn't around N1 either.

Look, I'm not sure you are scum. But you are not making any sense to me in your posts directed at me. You're picking and choosing and holding your suspicion before the actual events in the thread. You also don't seem interested in figuring out who I am as a player. You're picking at town tells of mine and calling them suspicious, you ignore other town reads on me (from players that have actually played with me), and you did ask for a scum game of mine, but I don't see you using that or other town games of mine as a reference if you're really interested in figuring me out. (Maybe you have, but then you haven't said anything about it). This is how I view it. I can be a pretty omgusy player to a fault, but I find that on this particular site I'm more often targeted by scum (probably because my playstyle is a bit more "random" than the norm here.)

My poe is you, Mac and then I'd probably lose to a scum Speed at this very moment.

[Dyslexicon]

ftr, if i was the last mafia, i most likely wouldn't have killed sabie in case she was protected after outright claiming with another PR in the game. to scum dunya, ensuring a kill is more important than a 50/50 chance of killing the cop who wouldn't even be checking me that night. this small game is a numbers game after all.

So as scum you'd rather have a confirmed cop, a green check on TH and three/two players who voted Quin?

[Dyslexicon]

I'm working on Dizzy now. Luna was the second vote, but she was also here EOD I believe. I have to review the EOD phase a little better. Dizzy's vote on Quin wasn't very inspiring and they said they would leave it on Quin --- but when they said that, had Luna already voted Quin or was Dizzy still the lone voter?

Yes. I was here when Luna voted. And I was on the computer watching youtube videos all night, cause I couldn't sleep.

[dunya]

ftr, if i was the last mafia, i most likely wouldn't have killed sabie in case she was protected after outright claiming with another PR in the game. to scum dunya, ensuring a kill is more important than a 50/50 chance of killing the cop who wouldn't even be checking me that night. this small game is a numbers game after all.

So as scum you'd rather have a confirmed cop, a green check on TH and three/two players who voted Quin?

I would have killed one of the "confirmed townies" or TH himself.

[dunya]

So if Dizzy wasn't here n1 and I wasn't. Mac and speed were.

[Dyslexicon]

first mention of Quin, Dizzy's infamous "random" poe list. they mention "others" are whatever, who would be nova and Luna. Quin listed as town here. Turnip and sabie, who both flipped town were listed as scum.

What's your point here?

Dizzy's second mention of Quin was not a read; this time they listed Quin with Turnip, Spacedaisy and Mac as "neutral" reads. they townread speed because speed was pushing a case against me. obv wanting to get rid of me. apparently their town reads on Luna and sabie were both without reason. so they only give one reason on why a person is town and the others are "just cos and yolo" which is uninspiring and seems like tmi and random. after having voted for Turnip as a first post, they say they don't really have a read on turnip but "can't find anything wrong in their posts" which is a town-leaning comment imo.

1. My town reads/leans on Luna and sabie was not without reasons. I talked about the reason for Luna in the post you quoted and also talked to Speed about it because he asked me. I did wonder about the valitidy of the read though. My read on sabie was both from her general vibe and from when she speicifcally said she had a good role and I just don't think scum would say that, but I also didn't want to bring attention to it.
2. What's your point about my TH read? I didn't really have a read on him or a reason to think he was scum. What for the love of poop is the relevance of me voting him in RVS before I had even started playing? Why are you bringing that up?

last part is most interesting. i definitely town read spacedaisy, but the quin "townread" was a bit random and out of nowhere. Quin was in my poe with nova and Dizzy for most of day 1. nice random insert of "if dunya is scum she couldn't be partners with quin" which i have no idea where they got it from in the first place. so dizzy does not town read their team mate -- good info to have considering they voted for Quin.

Not even what I said though. It's in the quote. Also, this was early. I was asking because I had suspicion on you and wanted to figure out who you could be potentially teamed with. Later in the day you didn't town read quin, you bunched him in in your lynch pool. What I actually concluded at D1 was that IF you are scum you are not likely teamed with Spacey.
If you really want to know if I as a player would be likely to town read a teammate or not you could just ask me or reference other games.

[Dyslexicon]

K, I don't want to go completely omgus.

Spacey and Luna, can you please tell me what you think of Dunya's case on me? Not being the ones in question.

[dunya]

What town tell of yours did I call scummy, Dizzy? Genuinely interested. Cos I feel the same way about you--your tone and shade has been setting me up for a lynch since day 1 so you're not making a better effort to town read me than I am you tbh.

[dunya]

I feel like an ass now anyway. Sorry if my reads are way off. If it's between you and Mac in my PoE and I have nothing to analyse for Mac and a ton of things I can read into for you, I'm bound to end up here.

Y'all can decide on who to lynch as long as it's not me. I've done enough. Good luck.

[Dyslexicon]

What town tell of yours did I call scummy, Dizzy? Genuinely interested. Cos I feel the same way about you--your tone and shade has been setting me up for a lynch since day 1 so you're not making a better effort to town read me than I am you tbh.

Ugh. I actually have been trying to open my mind, but the suspicion doesn't go away. I know I'm biased, but your case of me is so far off imo. And I always think that. I thought I had topped it the very last game I played (someone suspected me for shit reasons and I got really pissed (and I know it's annoying, trying to rein it in) But I just don't ge thow you can think the thing s that you apparently do and just gloss over actual facts in thread. Like, I'm supposedly a big suspicion of yours, but you can't remember if I was around for D1 end or not? Or if I was around N1 or not? How much attention have you payed then?

You're shading me for having lackluster and unclear reads and bringing up that I'm voting random players and even for saying hi to whoever is around. THe latter is probably not a town thing only, but it's certainly not a scum thing either.

[Dyslexicon]

It could just be Mac. If he replaced into a scum role after the other scum had been lynched D1 then that can't be very inspiring.

[Dyslexicon]

I really really want to hear what Spacey and Luna makes of dunya. I haven't played with her before.

[Dyslexicon]

dunya, I really would like it if you did answer my questions though. I really do wonder what your point is with the stuff you've pointed out in our ISO of me.

[Dyslexicon]

Mac, whenever you're around, can you please tell me if you have read the entire thread or not?

[dunya]

dunya, I really would like it if you did answer my questions though. I really do wonder what your point is with the stuff you've pointed out in our ISO of me.

I might do that tomorrow from my laptop. It's 2am where I am atm.

[Dyslexicon]

if i had to choose one of dizzy and luna -- who is more likely to have "accidentally" lynched their teammate, it would be dizzy. luna made it a three-way tie between quin, dizzy and myself iirc. she could have easily latched onto lynching me or dizzy without garnering much suspicion. a teammate wouldn't have brought their scum PR into a threeway tie. I just can't see that happening.

What mental gymnastic are you doing if you think this for Luna, but don't think I would vote you instead of quin if he was my teammate? I don't bus a teammate in that manner when there's absolutely no need to. I just don't. It's not smart and it's not nice (imo). And voting someone with close wagons when he is very much a lynch option is not an "accident". The vote was because I chickened out on voting you from reading your scum game, and I would feel dumb if you were town, still would.

[dunya]

You're shading me for having lackluster and unclear reads and bringing up that I'm voting random players and even for saying hi to whoever is around. THe latter is probably not a town thing only, but it's certainly not a scum thing either.

Sorry but there are some things I can't give town cred for and lackluster or unclear views or saying something (I think dunya is bad) and doing something else (voting Quin) are some of those things. I also get wary of people who are extremely wishy washy or rely too much on other people's opinions (not saying you do). It's one of the reasons I have given up on reading nutella because she is scummy to me every game. It's all too easy for scum to usually use these methods and blend so I can't help how I feel if I detect them.

[Dyslexicon]

dunya, I really would like it if you did answer my questions though. I really do wonder what your point is with the stuff you've pointed out in our ISO of me.

I might do that tomorrow from my laptop. It's 2am where I am atm.

Fair enough.

I think I need other's perspectives on you.

[dunya]

I'm not saying I'm 100% you're scum, I'm just trying to explain why I felt the way I felt so we can see where the other person is coming from.

Sigh.