Community Mafia [GAME OVER]

[dunya]

I still feel good about Quin. I'm gleaming genu-quin in his spitfire.

ok but can you actually respond to some of that spitfire ty

yeah sure, tomorrow, i'm tired of mafia today.

[dunya]

Gonna vote for [VOTE: dunya] aubergine for now, mostly gut but also I really did not like that post.

[Quin]

You called me bad because I gave an opinion and asked a question and didn't come out of that with a read on the person I was talking to (which actually isn't true to begin with - read the post). You may as well have said you suspected me for talking.

Maybe 'contradiction' was the wrong word. The point was it's a dumb thing to say on your part because not every exchange is *going* to end in a read and the King of Fuck Mountain who has a 2 page long conversation with every living player every day phase should know that better than anybody.

I haven't watched Community, but I'm gonna guess Dean is a vegetarian because this beef is fake as hell.

Every exchange I have does end in a read. I don’t know why you keep drawing comparisons to me; I am irrelevant. I reviewed your initial few posts and took an immediate stance on a rainbow. Then when dunya asked I explained one grievance. You responded with loud, ridiculous language. That is what I’ve taken issue with since. You’re not properly representing the beef as you criticize it.

You aren't irrelevant because this isn't a defence. I'm calling you out because your suspicion is founded on what I perceive to be a fundamental part of playing mafia. I straight up don't believe that you are successful in forming a read on someone every time you talk to someone. That's not even to mention that dunya didn't even respond to my posts at the time.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I straight up don't believe that you are successful in forming a read on someone every time you talk to someone.

I will make a read on any player that has made one post.

[Quin]

I straight up don't believe that you are successful in forming a read on someone every time you talk to someone.

I will make a read on any player that has made one post.

GTH's and PoE's don't count.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I straight up don't believe that you are successful in forming a read on someone every time you talk to someone.

I will make a read on any player that has made one post.

I need to add that to the Supatown JJJ List.

[MacDougall]

I straight up don't believe that you are successful in forming a read on someone every time you talk to someone.

I will make a read on any player that has made one post.

Word.

[MacDougall]

With the exception of Jay having his usual tinfoily reservations towards Epi and Quin tinfoiling Jay I think we have a good town core here. I am quite confident that Jay, Quin, Epi and DDL are all civilians. ColonialBob, Dunya and DFaraday would be the ones I'm most suspicious of.

[sabie12]

Sorry I've been missing class. Irl stuff has been getting in the way. I was super excited for this game but struggling to keep up due to a lot of different things going on outside of here.

I don't think I've played with dfaraday since I've been back. Maybe before but I dont recall for sure. He has very little posts but the most votes. What's the case on him?

JJJ and dunya seem like how I've seen them play before. I don't think the way they post makes them inherently bad.

I did see a couple posts pointing out how bad I am at day 1 reads. I mean that's not wrong I do have a hard time with it. I thought it would a little more fun roleplay banter but alas its turning serious already. The game is being Britta'd

Seriously though I guess I will have to try to read up and catch up on stuff.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I straight up don't believe that you are successful in forming a read on someone every time you talk to someone.

I will make a read on any player that has made one post.

GTH's and PoE's don't count.

That's the kind of read I was referring to in the original dialogue. I don't expect you to have a great deal of confidence in anything. I did think your language implied you'd gotten further than nowhere though. At this point I hardly care about that exchange anyway, so do whatever you do, Johnny Quin.

[Epignosis]

I'm rescinding my town read on Epignosis. DFaraday's suspicions lacked clear names in the absence of prods (as Epi validly observed), and his ensuing explanation seemed to force suspicion upon Mac.

These posts are horseshit though:

Civilians don't lose because nobody paid attention to chart. You are doing work to do work.

You know what I do when I'm bad? I count on my fingers how many civilians I need to knock off to win. That's a mafia chart.

Jay is more concerned with the setup than with who is bad. I have solved this thing for you.

So horseshit and being a civilian are now mutually exclusive?

Nah.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So horseshit and being a civilian are now mutually exclusive?

Nah.

I didn't say that. Are the posts horseshit?

[sabie12]

I noticed ddl and dunya had a lot of back and forth so I was at first like what if they're teammates, but she voted him so probably not. Unless she plans to move votes. I'm not a fan of DDLs sort of snarky jab at how I post. Epi seems less talkative and involved than usual to me. Kinda leaning bad on DDL and Epi and they also voted together.

I hope this post is short enough for you

[Epignosis]

wrankled, rankled, i dean't care

Just about through Monday’s posts — I got rankled by dunya’s early go at Jay, it felt almost token.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Colin wins this vocabulary matchup, if he didn't benefit from my error.

[Epignosis]

So horseshit and being a civilian are now mutually exclusive?

Nah.

I didn't say that. Are the posts horseshit?

That's for you and everybody else to decide, senor.

[Epignosis]

Epi seems less talkative and involved than usual to me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That's for you and everybody else to decide, senor.

How dean you feel about this one?

[Epignosis]

That's for you and everybody else to decide, senor.

How dean you feel about this one?

I have a mild suspicion of DDL. Nothing worth voting him over.

He speaks "Portuguese" so he really isn't that helpful.

His comment isn't much different from what I said, and I don't suspect myself.

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Pairing me with DDL because we voted together is weaker than weakness's little baby nephew who has a cleft palate, and what's even weaker than that is that you had to pair that notion with the (three-year-old) fact that I don't post as much as I used to, as though it's significant.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Pairing me with DDL because we voted together is weaker than weakness's little baby nephew who has a cleft palate, and what's even weaker than that is that you had to pair that notion with the (three-year-old) fact that I don't post as much as I used to, as though it's significant.

How long was sabie away from this website before her recent return?

[Epignosis]

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

Pairing me with DDL because we voted together is weaker than weakness's little baby nephew who has a cleft palate, and what's even weaker than that is that you had to pair that notion with the (three-year-old) fact that I don't post as much as I used to, as though it's significant.

How long was sabie away from this website before her recent return?

I considered that. But no. If she brought it up on it's own, maybe. She didn't. She treated that like a supporting fact, which doesn't jive with this guy.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]sabie12[/mention], please answer before I speak further.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I did see a couple posts pointing out how bad I am at day 1 reads. I mean that's not wrong I do have a hard time with it. I thought it would a little more fun roleplay banter but alas its turning serious already. The game is being Britta'd

Oh I hope that isn't me, but if it is, I just wanna say I definitely don't think you are bad at Day 1 reads. Or rather, you are not any more terrible than the rest of us (because day 1 is a crapshoot).

Though I did make a snarky jab at how you post. Sometimes I can't resist

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Gonna vote for [VOTE: dunya] aubergine for now, mostly gut but also I really did not like that post.

What post are you referring to? Otherwise your only gripe with dunya hadn't clearly referenced a specific post:

Just about through Monday’s posts — I got rankled by dunya’s early go at Jay, it felt almost token.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

With the exception of Jay having his usual tinfoily reservations towards Epi and Quin tinfoiling Jay I think we have a good town core here. I am quite confident that Jay, Quin, Epi and DDL are all civilians. ColonialBob, Dunya and DFaraday would be the ones I'm most suspicious of.

Colin thinks you're super fake. How does that make you feel?

[Epignosis]

People, votes are changeable. At this stage, there is no reason not to have a vote on the board right now. Awhora

[MacDougall]

With the exception of Jay having his usual tinfoily reservations towards Epi and Quin tinfoiling Jay I think we have a good town core here. I am quite confident that Jay, Quin, Epi and DDL are all civilians. ColonialBob, Dunya and DFaraday would be the ones I'm most suspicious of.

Colin thinks you're super fake. How does that make you feel?

He's entitled to his opinions

[colonialbob]

The biggest reason I have to civ-read Colin is the fact that he didn't appear until fairly late in the thread.

[VOTE: coliniscool] aubergine

[Quin]

People, votes are changeable. At this stage, there is no reason not to have a vote on the board right now. Awhora

ok boss

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

[Quin]

ya ill come back in the morning

[reywaS]

i have a lot of catching up to do. Will do so this evening.

[sabie12]

I feel like people are trying to force me to make random reads based on really not much of anything so I did and that's still not good enough for you. *wahhhhhh storms out of the library*

Seriously though I am not skilled at trying to make day 1 reads and had to start somewhere. I mean some people have like 5 posts. What can you even get out of that?

[sabie12]

Although in one game svs got all offended because I said it was weird she said bye instead of RIP and shes like you really think thats a reason to suspect me? And then she actually was bad.

[sabie12]

People, votes are changeable. At this stage, there is no reason not to have a vote on the board right now. Awhora

Fine voting DDL for now I find him suspicious.

[dunya]

MacDougall

i don't think you actually believe i'm anything but town in this game.

[dunya]

hope DF can come and talk to us some more. looks like the gang is ganging up on you and it's lame you're not here to defend yourself.

i didn't like coliniscool's contrib. i don't actually believe colin thinks i'm the most suspicious person after reading the thread. i'll give him a pass for now since he's sick, but that shit don't slide by for The Syndicate's Best New Member.

uninspired after reading sabie's three posts up there, was hoping for more. why do you find DDL "suspicious" for example?

unimpressed with reywaS' contribs. i thought he was a more involved player.. could this be his low-activity scum performance?

still feel shit about DDL. still feel best about Epignosis. feeling better about cbob (i have never seen a scum cbob though. has this happened..?)

still feel something is off with JJJ.

gut tells me there's scum between DDL, Mac, sabie/reywaS and JJJ.

that's my 4-player pool for today.

i'll get to quin in a bit.

[dunya]

I straight up don't believe that you are successful in forming a read on someone every time you talk to someone.

I will make a read on any player that has made one post.

GTH's and PoE's don't count.

i mean, he's exaggerating a little, maybe. but tone and intent are very easy to get gut feelings about. we've been doing this for years, even analyzing people who have 0 posts based on what others have said about them. we absolutely can form a read on someone every time we talk to them.

[dunya]

no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.

Epi wasn't behaving much differently to Mac. Why is he a town read?

epignosis' gif of "i agree" is not exactly what mac was doing. epi's day 0 contribs bordered on roleplay and humor more than demotivational imo. tone is everything to me. similarly, reywaS agreed with mac, but i didn't suspect him because he agreed with him.

i suspected mac because of the specific language he used, how he framed the negativity he felt from jay's posting-leadership style and then how he quickly backed down to appear almost like the victim of the exchange (why don't you give other people a chance to take the lead in the dance), and then without coming across as the bad guy "you do you, jay" when suggested he can certainly lead. that is all manipulative language imo, and i know mac is more than capable of beginning to waver confidence in jay's voice on day 0 by making little quips here and there like that. he's a master manipulator, i never take anything he says to not mean anything. everything means something with mac.

i like epi's tone. i like his level of contribs with roleplay. i am getting seinfeld flashbacks with him and i have no reason not to trust what he's saying. he's still my top civ read.

[dunya]

Although in one game svs got all offended because I said it was weird she said bye instead of RIP and shes like you really think thats a reason to suspect me? And then she actually was bad.

i'm a little confused by this example. are you trying to refer to someone in the thread who is exhibiting svs-like behavior?

[dunya]

People, votes are changeable. At this stage, there is no reason not to have a vote on the board right now. Awhora

ok boss

[VOTE: DFaraday] aubergine

why?

[dunya]

The biggest reason I have to civ-read Colin is the fact that he didn't appear until fairly late in the thread.

[VOTE: coliniscool] aubergine

and you didn't have any reason to scum-read any of the players that have actually been in the game for 2 days?

[colonialbob]

The biggest reason I have to civ-read Colin is the fact that he didn't appear until fairly late in the thread.

[VOTE: coliniscool] aubergine

and you didn't have any reason to scum-read any of the players that have actually been in the game for 2 days?

Putting words in my mouth here

[dunya]

The biggest reason I have to civ-read Colin is the fact that he didn't appear until fairly late in the thread.

[VOTE: coliniscool] aubergine

and you didn't have any reason to scum-read any of the players that have actually been in the game for 2 days?

Putting words in my mouth here

you've contributed an agreeable amount which shows you are up to speed on the game and thread, and yet your first "changeable" vote was not on someone who you had reason to scum-read. i don't like that.

[dunya]

i like DF's contributions. his sentiments echo my own, apart from his Epi suspicions. he's only made 5 posts; i don't like the 3 votes on him right now. screams scapegoat to me.

the only thing i wasn't too hot on is the transition between focusing on epi and being able to read epi to voting for mac, someone whose intentions he claims are harder for him to get a feel on. but even so, he gave good rationale for voting for mac unlike some other people in the thread tbh. i've never played with him before, i'd like to see more of him and see what he can offer. i won't be voting for him today.

[dunya]

i forgot novaselinenever was playing. that's never a good thing.

[colonialbob]

The biggest reason I have to civ-read Colin is the fact that he didn't appear until fairly late in the thread.

[VOTE: coliniscool] aubergine

and you didn't have any reason to scum-read any of the players that have actually been in the game for 2 days?

Putting words in my mouth here

you've contributed an agreeable amount which shows you are up to speed on the game and thread, and yet your first "changeable" vote was not on someone who you had reason to scum-read. i don't like that.

That's fair, I didn't actually explain why I don't like Colin. I don't really get his progression on you - he doesn't like your go at J, but seems more positive on your go at Mac, and then says he really doesn't like "that post" but the only specific post of yours he referenced was the one on Mac he agreed with.

And re: me being bad, I was maf in World Asunder (where I didn't catch suspicion until the game exploded, but there were two mafias) and a speed game wherein I was lynched D1 and my partner (speedchuck, natch) was quickly lynched D2. I don't think I've been maf in any other game here, although I was also a hostile indy in the Socky game.

[ColinIsCool]

The dunya post in question:

General alert to all civilians of Greendale:

The need for a well-paced thread is obvious. So do your best on that front, please. More than that though, let's be aware from the start that urgency is paramount if we are to win this game. There are only 12 players here, and the cycles will be 24/24. This game will be completely over in a blink; we won't have a lot of time to solve it. There is no time to waste.

I know many of y'all are now in two games. Handle that as you see fit (I will not speak of the other active game again). Just please ensure this one gets a fair portion of your attention. Thanks!

calling it day 0, jay is scum. this was his obligatory post calling for a shit ton of activity because this is what civ jay is like, whereas he enjoys to let the game ride by slower when he's scum. his post was what we typically expect of a civ jjj, but it's all a mind game. he's using language that is more courteous and less urgent, which is in conflict with the message he's trying to convey there. fight me on that.

I guess reading it back it could be that thing where you just come in and start shit to start the game, but this felt especially forced to me

[ColinIsCool]

If I were to change my vote, which is possible, as of now it’d be to Mac.

[dunya]

If I were to change my vote, which is possible, as of now it’d be to Mac.

why