It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia [END]

[novaselinenever]

I think townfirming Luna does enough (given we have little else to go by) to clear luna, mongoose and juliets. It should clear me too.

Nova/Sloonei/Llama.

Sloonei tried to prevent the townclear by outright voting Colin vs. Luna (who the Mafia knew was a double voter). I think he knew he had to do it and is wifoming it away because he knew townclearing Luna would break the game.

I believe Sloonei and Nova orchestrated it and have decided that they have to turn on each other now and hope we mislynch once. This is tree Mafia all over again.

Absolutely hilarious.

[novaselinenever]

Why would scum!Sloonei hesitate with going with this "genius" plan? Makes no sense.

[Sloonei]

Mac is my current top suspect.

[novaselinenever]

I'm sticking with my Town Juliets and Sloonei's reads. Sloonei's behavior at EoD isn't a slight on him at all. If anyone think so, feel free expend on the motives.

Llama/Mac/Mongoose. Our 2 baddies.

[novaselinenever]

Mac is my current top suspect.

You've seen the light.

[Sloonei]

Mac is my current top suspect.

You've seen the light.

He had to shine it directly in my eyes.

[novaselinenever]

I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages

I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.

I'm quoting this again 'cause I'm slightly tilted by it lol.

Do you actually believe this? Do you think a mafia member would have a problem with going with a plan that's getting them a mislynch either way, and in that off chance the double-voter gets confirmed they can just kill them at night (no protectors)?

Did you not read up the thread when I showed up and advocated for a tie 'cause I believed your claim and wanted you to have a 100% chance of surviving instead of 50%?

[Lunalee]

I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages

I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.

I'm not sure if you haven't read but I came in after the plan and I was trying to give you a 100% of survival instead of 50 by asking for a tie.

But sure, my team has been outed. Nice.

I get it. It turned out okay but tying it up would not have confirmed anything.

[Sloonei]

I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages

I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.

I'm not sure if you haven't read but I came in after the plan and I was trying to give you a 100% of survival instead of 50 by asking for a tie.

But sure, my team has been outed. Nice.

I get it. It turned out okay but tying it up would not have confirmed anything.

What do you think of The Plan?

[Lunalee]

I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages

I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.

I'm quoting this again 'cause I'm slightly tilted by it lol.

Do you actually believe this? Do you think a mafia member would have a problem with going with a plan that's getting them a mislynch either way, and in that off chance the double-voter gets confirmed they can just kill them at night (no protectors)?

Did you not read up the thread when I showed up and advocated for a tie 'cause I believed your claim and wanted you to have a 100% chance of surviving instead of 50%?

I said it thinking it was funny. And I see you didn't not see it that way. My apologies. Did you really firmly believe both Colin and I were town? That's seems like a difficult claim to make.

Right now my scum POE is narrowed down to: Sloonei, llama, and you, so I'm not saying you're confirmed scum, but I can't clear you.

[novaselinenever]

I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages

I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.

I'm not sure if you haven't read but I came in after the plan and I was trying to give you a 100% of survival instead of 50 by asking for a tie.

But sure, my team has been outed. Nice.

I get it. It turned out okay but tying it up would not have confirmed anything.

But you would have had a 100% chance of survival!!

I don't care about confirming anything. "It turned out ok" isn't good enough. You don't put someone in a risk just for the sake of confirming. I believed your claim, and wanted Colin lynched over you. Why would I care about confirmation?

Would you rather risk dying instead of a chance at getting "confirmed"?

[Lunalee]

I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages

I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.

I'm not sure if you haven't read but I came in after the plan and I was trying to give you a 100% of survival instead of 50 by asking for a tie.

But sure, my team has been outed. Nice.

I get it. It turned out okay but tying it up would not have confirmed anything.

What do you think of The Plan?

It was cleaver but risky. It could have ended with myself lynched, and you guys would have a town-firmed dead luna, and a still ambiguous Colin.

[novaselinenever]

I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages

I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.

I'm quoting this again 'cause I'm slightly tilted by it lol.

Do you actually believe this? Do you think a mafia member would have a problem with going with a plan that's getting them a mislynch either way, and in that off chance the double-voter gets confirmed they can just kill them at night (no protectors)?

Did you not read up the thread when I showed up and advocated for a tie 'cause I believed your claim and wanted you to have a 100% chance of surviving instead of 50%?

I said it thinking it was funny. And I see you didn't not see it that way. My apologies. Did you really firmly believe both Colin and I were town? That's seems like a difficult claim to make.

Right now my scum POE is narrowed down to: Sloonei, llama, and you, so I'm not saying you're confirmed scum, but I can't clear you.

I very obviously didn't. I had him over as my target hence my vote, and believed your claim. That's why I wanted you to have a 100% at survival if you were truthful.

I can clear myself, don't worry about me. I'm a fighter and rarely get lynched when I'm present and active. Put Mac into your PoE, and Mongoose as well.

[Sloonei]

I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages

I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.

I'm quoting this again 'cause I'm slightly tilted by it lol.

Do you actually believe this? Do you think a mafia member would have a problem with going with a plan that's getting them a mislynch either way, and in that off chance the double-voter gets confirmed they can just kill them at night (no protectors)?

Did you not read up the thread when I showed up and advocated for a tie 'cause I believed your claim and wanted you to have a 100% chance of surviving instead of 50%?

I said it thinking it was funny. And I see you didn't not see it that way. My apologies. Did you really firmly believe both Colin and I were town? That's seems like a difficult claim to make.

Right now my scum POE is narrowed down to: Sloonei, llama, and you, so I'm not saying you're confirmed scum, but I can't clear you.

Why is Mac removed from your POE?

[novaselinenever]

I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages

I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.

I'm not sure if you haven't read but I came in after the plan and I was trying to give you a 100% of survival instead of 50 by asking for a tie.

But sure, my team has been outed. Nice.

I get it. It turned out okay but tying it up would not have confirmed anything.

What do you think of The Plan?

It was cleaver but risky. It could have ended with myself lynched, and you guys would have a town-firmed dead luna, and a still ambiguous Colin.

How was it clever exactly?

You used your 1-shot, and you're confirmed just so that you can die whenever the Mafia wants. Is that worth the risk of getting lynched?

Do you think a Mafioso would have a problem going along with this plan?

[novaselinenever]

This "confirmed" stuff is absolutely hilarious. Kudos to you, Mac.

[novaselinenever]

I'm dying lmao

[Sloonei]

Juliets and Luna are scum and the game is over.

[Lunalee]

I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages

I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.

I'm quoting this again 'cause I'm slightly tilted by it lol.

Do you actually believe this? Do you think a mafia member would have a problem with going with a plan that's getting them a mislynch either way, and in that off chance the double-voter gets confirmed they can just kill them at night (no protectors)?

Did you not read up the thread when I showed up and advocated for a tie 'cause I believed your claim and wanted you to have a 100% chance of surviving instead of 50%?

I said it thinking it was funny. And I see you didn't not see it that way. My apologies. Did you really firmly believe both Colin and I were town? That's seems like a difficult claim to make.

Right now my scum POE is narrowed down to: Sloonei, llama, and you, so I'm not saying you're confirmed scum, but I can't clear you.

Why is Mac removed from your POE?

because right now he looks town.

[Sloonei]

I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages

I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.

I'm quoting this again 'cause I'm slightly tilted by it lol.

Do you actually believe this? Do you think a mafia member would have a problem with going with a plan that's getting them a mislynch either way, and in that off chance the double-voter gets confirmed they can just kill them at night (no protectors)?

Did you not read up the thread when I showed up and advocated for a tie 'cause I believed your claim and wanted you to have a 100% chance of surviving instead of 50%?

I said it thinking it was funny. And I see you didn't not see it that way. My apologies. Did you really firmly believe both Colin and I were town? That's seems like a difficult claim to make.

Right now my scum POE is narrowed down to: Sloonei, llama, and you, so I'm not saying you're confirmed scum, but I can't clear you.

Why is Mac removed from your POE?

because right now he looks town.

Why does mac right now look town?

[MacDougall]

Okay we shall see come endgame. I'm done with the antagonism and the snark. I'm putting my stake in the ground. I've shared my bread. Nova and Sloonei are the Mafia in my opinion. I've got other things to attend to for now.

[Sloonei]

If I’m scum, I’ve been scum all game, not just in the last couple of hours. Make that argument.

[MacDougall]

I'm having trouble processing the last couple of pages

I think you're having trouble processing that your scum team has been outed and will be lynched in short order.

I'm quoting this again 'cause I'm slightly tilted by it lol.

Do you actually believe this? Do you think a mafia member would have a problem with going with a plan that's getting them a mislynch either way, and in that off chance the double-voter gets confirmed they can just kill them at night (no protectors)?

Did you not read up the thread when I showed up and advocated for a tie 'cause I believed your claim and wanted you to have a 100% chance of surviving instead of 50%?

I said it thinking it was funny. And I see you didn't not see it that way. My apologies. Did you really firmly believe both Colin and I were town? That's seems like a difficult claim to make.

Right now my scum POE is narrowed down to: Sloonei, llama, and you, so I'm not saying you're confirmed scum, but I can't clear you.

Why is Mac removed from your POE?

because right now he looks town.

Why does mac right now look town?

Your argument is non existent. You and Nova know you have to pool your vote to get through tomorrow so you're starting early on me. You've actually forgotten to show any cause. You just out of the blue made up a read on me because I rekt you.

I suspect you kill Lunalee and hope Llama chooses wrong because I doubt Juliets and Mongoose choose wrong now.

If I am right it'll be your sword required Llama.

[novaselinenever]

Okay we shall see come endgame. I'm done with the antagonism and the snark. I'm putting my stake in the ground. I've shared my bread. Nova and Sloonei are the Mafia in my opinion. I've got other things to attend to for now.

I like the sound of that.

I can assure you I'm not Mafia. I don't have access to Sloonei's role card but I firmly believe he isn't Mafia either. I already shared my thoughts on his EoD behavior, and how it isn't a slight to his whole game so far.

If you're Town, work with me. My PoE is you/Llama and Mongoose. The fourth one would be Sloonei but I have a lot of trouble seeing him as bad.

[Sloonei]

I’ve expressed reasons for suspecting you, mac.

[novaselinenever]

Hi! I'm nova and I'm tired of losing

This is still in actuality.

[MacDougall]

If I am wrong Mongoose and Llama are deserved winners. I doubt it. I have been so sure of Nova because I know I am a civ. Nova left me no choice by never once admitting even the potential that I am. No civ does that.

He looks ok to others because they don't have my role card. I understand all the perspectives. If he is a civ perhaps he will learn something. I don't think there is a single chance he is though.

Now is the time for gun to head btw. If Sloonei was a civ he'd have suggested it already.

[MacDougall]

I’ve expressed reasons for suspecting you, mac.

Reasons that are weak. Much like your explanation for your end of day play.

[MacDougall]

If you are civs. Consider this. I have lost two games at lylo as a civ in succession. I don't intend to lose another. Give me the actual scum team. Properly. Because if one or both of you are civs you need to convince me or the game is over. If you keep making cases in which I am Mafia the game is over. I can't agree with you when I am your suspect.

[Sloonei]

If I am wrong Mongoose and Llama are deserved winners. I doubt it. I have been so sure of Nova because I know I am a civ. Nova left me no choice by never once admitting even the potential that I am. No civ does that.

He looks ok to others because they don't have my role card. I understand all the perspectives. If he is a civ perhaps he will learn something. I don't think there is a single chance he is though.

Now is the time for gun to head btw. If Sloonei was a civ he'd have suggested it already.

Excuse me?

Here's Mac tinfoiling me in the GoC. I was town.
Here's Mac tinfoiling me in A World Asunder. I was town. He was not.
Here's Mac tinfoiling me in Mega Man. I was town.
Here's Mac tinfoiling me in IASIP. I am town.

@MacDougall can you please add this post to your signature once this game is over?

And get the hell out with that "If sloonei was civ..." bullshit. I'm doing shit. I'm grilling people. I'm actively posting reads and trying to develop ideas. You made your mind up before the lynch even went through.

[novaselinenever]

If you are civs. Consider this. I have lost two games at lylo as a civ in succession. I don't intend to lose another. Give me the actual scum team. Properly. Because if one or both of you are civs you need to convince me or the game is over. If you keep making cases in which I am Mafia the game is over. I can't agree with you when I am your suspect.

And you expect someone else to agree with you when they're your suspect?

Such civilian mindset, such intention to not lose.

[novaselinenever]

My PoE is pretty set. Llama/Mac/Mongoose.

It's the logical one.

[Sloonei]

If you are civs. Consider this. I have lost two games at lylo as a civ in succession. I don't intend to lose another. Give me the actual scum team. Properly. Because if one or both of you are civs you need to convince me or the game is over. If you keep making cases in which I am Mafia the game is over. I can't agree with you when I am your suspect.

No. If you've lost two straight games at LYLO you should be hungry and you should be skeptical. You should not make up your mind 10 seconds into Night 2. Look at everything, consider all angles. Don't put this on other people. If you are civilian, you need to work with all of the other civilians no matter who they are.

[MacDougall]

Oh cool let me just go and work with the other civilians. Let me just flick through my magic diary where everyone's role cards are and just magically know who to work with.

If you didn't want this you shouldn't have acted like such a moron at EOD. No thanks to you we have a town cleared Luna.

No thanks to you.

Everyone but you and Nova get it. Llama is tinfoiling it but even he gets it.

The job is done. You've chosen me as the target. Cool.

[MacDougall]

If you are civs. Consider this. I have lost two games at lylo as a civ in succession. I don't intend to lose another. Give me the actual scum team. Properly. Because if one or both of you are civs you need to convince me or the game is over. If you keep making cases in which I am Mafia the game is over. I can't agree with you when I am your suspect.

And you expect someone else to agree with you when they're your suspect?

Such civilian mindset, such intention to not lose.

Nova - Work with me
Mac - Who is bad
Nova - You
Mac - Okay you have to be bad
Nova - oMg U sUcK

[juliets]

I cannot think about this any more tonight. I will think about it in the morning though because I will probably die tomorrow. I can see a case for everyone in the game to be bad. And everyone to be good. I need to really look at llama tomorrow, I've let him skate by with no suspicion. Maybe he doesn't deserve it but I want to at least look at him from the perspective of looking at someone who is bad. I can't remember enough about how he plays. I still feel pretty firm about Mongoose, and I also feel good about Mac though I will look at them critically tomorrow. Mongoose just seems so authentic but llama has flip flopped on her and I wondered if he could be bussing her now. And I don't think a mafia Mac would have pulled that EOD confirmation of Luna.

Ok well I promise more cohesive thoughts tomorrow.

linki x a bunch

[MacDougall]

People responsible for town cleared Luna

Mac and Juliets

People who actively tried to prevent town clearing Luna

Sloonei and Nova

Get in the bin.

[MacDougall]

Juliets you and I are on the exact same page. I think Luna is too and Mongoose. All we need to do is work together and we will easily accomplish this.

[novaselinenever]

If you are civs. Consider this. I have lost two games at lylo as a civ in succession. I don't intend to lose another. Give me the actual scum team. Properly. Because if one or both of you are civs you need to convince me or the game is over. If you keep making cases in which I am Mafia the game is over. I can't agree with you when I am your suspect.

And you expect someone else to agree with you when they're your suspect?

Such civilian mindset, such intention to not lose.

Nova - Work with me
Mac - Who is bad
Nova - You
Mac - Okay you have to be bad
Nova - oMg U sUcK

Nova - My PoE is Llama/Mac/Mongoose
Mac - So I'm your suspect?!
Nova - Yes, amongst others...
Mac - oMg U sUcK

[Sloonei]

Oh cool let me just go and work with the other civilians. Let me just flick through my magic diary where everyone's role cards are and just magically know who to work with.

If you didn't want this you shouldn't have acted like such a moron at EOD. No thanks to you we have a town cleared Luna.

No thanks to you.

Everyone but you and Nova get it. Llama is tinfoiling it but even he gets it.

The job is done. You've chosen me as the target. Cool.

The magic book I'm asking you to flick through is this thread. You've evidently chosen your target. I haven't. I suspect you. I'm not telling you that it's your responsibility to prove me wrong. I have no intention of sitting back tomorrow.

Was I a moron or was I scum? Shouldn't being a moron suggest that I'm not scum? Are we forgetting that Luna was in a position to be cleared because of me? Or that I had essentially cleared her for her matrix-slip earlier?

Everyone does not get it. You are trying to strong arm the thread into your desired outcome, or you're blinded by your own reads again. If you're civilian, work with us.

[MacDougall]

Sloonei and Nova are also both desperately trying to work against POE here too. Trying to keep open suspicions on Mongoose, Llama and I. Working out who is town is critical now. They are doing the opposite.

[novaselinenever]

People responsible for town cleared Luna

Mac and Juliets

People who actively tried to prevent town clearing Luna

Sloonei and Nova

Get in the bin.

Wow. You town cleared a player that will probably just get killed now, wasting their 1-shot and at the risk of getting them lynched. Bravo!

[MacDougall]

I am not reading posts by or engaging Nova or Sloonei anymore. I do not trust them.

[novaselinenever]

Sloonei and Nova are also both desperately trying to work against POE here too. Trying to keep open suspicions on Mongoose, Llama and I. Working out who is town is critical now. They are doing the opposite.

How is that a bad thing lol? If we're Town and townread each other (not sure about Sloonei), shouldn't our PoE be Mongoose/Llama and you?

[MacDougall]

Neither of you have any reason to read each other as a civ.

[MacDougall]

Aside from the need to work together to mislynch someone.

[Sloonei]

People who actively tried to prevent town clearing Luna

If juliets is telling the truth, then we either have a civilian 1-shot doublevoter and a mafia roleblocker in addition to her, or she’s the only non-vanilla role in the game.

If the former, then it might be prudent for the doublevoter to claim now. We could have two pseudo-cleared civilians instead of a single dubious cop claim. I think that would be more valuable than a single concealed double vote. The mafia roleblocker is essentially powerless now, assuming they can only block night actions.

If juliets is telling the truth, then we either have a civilian 1-shot doublevoter and a mafia roleblocker in addition to her, or she’s the only non-vanilla role in the game.

If the former, then it might be prudent for the doublevoter to claim now. We could have two pseudo-cleared civilians instead of a single dubious cop claim. I think that would be more valuable than a single concealed double vote. The mafia roleblocker is essentially powerless now, assuming they can only block night actions.

Well okay. I'm the doublevoter.

Luna’s misreading of the matrix is something we need to factor into our reads of her one way or another. She seems to have been reading it veryically only, instead of both horizontally and vertically. Her initial stance was that in order for juliets to be the cop, there would need to be a doublevoter in the game. She then asserted that if one of them is lying, both of them are lying.

It's possible for her to have misread the chart as either alignment. If she did genuinely misread as scum, her doublevote claim becomes riskier. Right now I think the easiest explanation to her situation is to simply believe her claim and that she thought the matrix was only supposed to be read vertically. Of course it’s possible the whole thing is an act, but that strikes me as too convoluted a plan to be viable.
Town lean on luna foe the moment.

Fuck off with that. Nobody had more actively worked to clear Luna prior to your self-proclaimed heroism than me. And let's not pretend your some glorious golden civilian god for clearing our town power role. The plan involved a 50% chance that she would be lynched. Fuck. Off. With. That.

At least pick another point in my post history to contend with, cause this one is shittier than Dennis's mule.

[Sloonei]

Neither of you have any reason to read each other as a civ.

nova was literally my first town read of the game and I called it out Day 0.

[novaselinenever]

Neither of you have any reason to read each other as a civ.

So the 28 pages of content, our interactions of the last 7 phases do not count? We should only read each other based on this EoD and your "genius" plan? Yeah, no...

Even if I were to read Sloonei based on this EoD, I'd give him a town read. I don't see scum Sloonei being that sloppy, rather that's a sign of civ Sloonei that is hesitant. He was pretty genuine, and there is absolutely no motive for him to refuse to go along or hesitate with a plan landing him a mislynch anyway. Your believes of Mafia afraid of a "townconfirmed" are greatly exaggerated.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei and Nova are also both desperately trying to work against POE here too. Trying to keep open suspicions on Mongoose, Llama and I. Working out who is town is critical now. They are doing the opposite.

I am trying to solve the game. Are you?