It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia [END]

[MacDougall]

If he is her teammate and votes to lynch her today he is forced to kill Juliets. Then we will invariably vote no lynch. He kills who? Sloonei? If he kills Sloonei it gives the game away because I know that you wouldn't kill Sloonei in that scenario. He kills me? That fucks him up too. Sloonei and you take him out? He kills, you? Sloonei and I take him out.

If Llama is Mafia Mongoose isn't his teammate. Mongoose seems to be Mafia. Ergo Llama is not.

[MacDougall]

If Llama is Mafia and in win now mode then his teammate is someone else. If I am wrong it doesn't matter anyway because if Mongoose gets lynched today and Llama is the other Mafia he's going to lose no matter which way the rest of the game pans out. Llama is too smart to have got trapped this way imo.

[Sloonei]

If he is her teammate and votes to lynch her today he is forced to kill Juliets. Then we will invariably vote no lynch. He kills who? Sloonei? If he kills Sloonei it gives the game away because I know that you wouldn't kill Sloonei in that scenario. He kills me? That fucks him up too. Sloonei and you take him out? He kills, you? Sloonei and I take him out.

If Llama is Mafia Mongoose isn't his teammate. Mongoose seems to be Mafia. Ergo Llama is not.

Why have you listed llama and mongoose as incompatible? I think they are extremely compatible.

[novaselinenever]

He doesn't have much choice.

[MacDougall]

Just play a thought experiment and put yourself in a universe where it's absolutely evident that Mongoose and Llama are not teammates.

Who becomes the most likely partner for both?

[MacDougall]

If he is her teammate and votes to lynch her today he is forced to kill Juliets. Then we will invariably vote no lynch. He kills who? Sloonei? If he kills Sloonei it gives the game away because I know that you wouldn't kill Sloonei in that scenario. He kills me? That fucks him up too. Sloonei and you take him out? He kills, you? Sloonei and I take him out.

If Llama is Mafia Mongoose isn't his teammate. Mongoose seems to be Mafia. Ergo Llama is not.

Why have you listed llama and mongoose as incompatible? I think they are extremely compatible.

Do you even linki?

[Sloonei]

If Llama is Mafia and in win now mode then his teammate is someone else. If I am wrong it doesn't matter anyway because if Mongoose gets lynched today and Llama is the other Mafia he's going to lose no matter which way the rest of the game pans out. Llama is too smart to have got trapped this way imo.

Mongoose is in everybody’s POE, which means her teammate has acknowledged that bussing her has to be on the table today.

[Sloonei]

If he is her teammate and votes to lynch her today he is forced to kill Juliets. Then we will invariably vote no lynch. He kills who? Sloonei? If he kills Sloonei it gives the game away because I know that you wouldn't kill Sloonei in that scenario. He kills me? That fucks him up too. Sloonei and you take him out? He kills, you? Sloonei and I take him out.

If Llama is Mafia Mongoose isn't his teammate. Mongoose seems to be Mafia. Ergo Llama is not.

Why have you listed llama and mongoose as incompatible? I think they are extremely compatible.

Do you even linki?

Yes.

[Sloonei]

Why exactly is Mongoose not compatible with Llama?

He intends to lynch her. Lynching his teammate today is not advised. The Mafia play today to win today.

No.

[novaselinenever]

If Llama is Mafia and in win now mode then his teammate is someone else. If I am wrong it doesn't matter anyway because if Mongoose gets lynched today and Llama is the other Mafia he's going to lose no matter which way the rest of the game pans out. Llama is too smart to have got trapped this way imo.

Well, he is trapped. Him and Mongoose prodding my case and keeping me at neutral had a side effect of buddying you. Juliets is mod-confirmed. He can't justify a scum read on Sloonei even though he tried to throw some shade by saying that his EoD behavior were bad but not a "slight" to his overall play lol.

I'm his only other scum read, and I'm being viewed better than Mongoose by most of the thread. He ain't got the pull to push the lynch on me so what other option is there except buss Mongoose and paint a connection with his other scum read, me?

[novaselinenever]

None.

[MacDougall]

Why exactly is Mongoose not compatible with Llama?

He intends to lynch her. Lynching his teammate today is not advised. The Mafia play today to win today.

No.

100/100 the Mafia play today to win today. It is much easier to win now than later no matter what. The fact that we are even here is an indication that the Mafia have been working as a team because if they weren't one would have been psuedo bussed by now. If they are working as a team they are POE clamped right now. They need to win today. Therefore Llama can't lynch his teammate if he is Mafia. He intends to lynch Mongoose.

What am I missing?

[MacDougall]

If Llama is Mafia and in win now mode then his teammate is someone else. If I am wrong it doesn't matter anyway because if Mongoose gets lynched today and Llama is the other Mafia he's going to lose no matter which way the rest of the game pans out. Llama is too smart to have got trapped this way imo.

Well, he is trapped. Him and Mongoose prodding my case and keeping me at neutral had a side effect of buddying you. Juliets is mod-confirmed. He can't justify a scum read on Sloonei even though he tried to throw some shade by saying that his EoD behavior were bad but not a "slight" to his overall play lol.

I'm his only other scum read, and I'm being viewed better than Mongoose by most of the thread. He ain't got the pull to push the lynch on me so what other option is there except buss Mongoose and paint a connection with his other scum read, me?

His other option (and especially if he and Mongoose were together) would have been for one or both of them to just change their read on me to Mafia. You and Sloonei had it in for me out of the gate. If Llama is Mafia and wanted to win today he could have helped you and Sloonei lynch me. Juliets has enough doubt to not leap to my defence.

[MacDougall]

Nova isn't Mafia. He's trying to understand the game too much.

[novaselinenever]

Why exactly is Mongoose not compatible with Llama?

He intends to lynch her. Lynching his teammate today is not advised. The Mafia play today to win today.

No.

100/100 the Mafia play today to win today. It is much easier to win now than later no matter what. The fact that we are even here is an indication that the Mafia have been working as a team because if they weren't one would have been psuedo bussed by now. If they are working as a team they are POE clamped right now. They need to win today. Therefore Llama can't lynch his teammate if he is Mafia. He intends to lynch Mongoose.

What am I missing?

Please listen to me fam.

You're looking at it, Llama is trying to lynch Mongoose -> Mafia would be in win today mode -> Therefore Llama can't be Mongoose's teammate.

Look at it from, Llama and Mongoose are teammates -> ..., and complete the puzzle. Look at his options if he's buddy with her. It'll lead you back to him trying to lynch her.

[MacDougall]

Yeah okay Mongoose and Llama it is.

[MacDougall]

That was easy. Damn I'm good.

[Sloonei]

What am I missing?

Stand by.

[novaselinenever]

If Llama is Mafia and in win now mode then his teammate is someone else. If I am wrong it doesn't matter anyway because if Mongoose gets lynched today and Llama is the other Mafia he's going to lose no matter which way the rest of the game pans out. Llama is too smart to have got trapped this way imo.

Well, he is trapped. Him and Mongoose prodding my case and keeping me at neutral had a side effect of buddying you. Juliets is mod-confirmed. He can't justify a scum read on Sloonei even though he tried to throw some shade by saying that his EoD behavior were bad but not a "slight" to his overall play lol.

I'm his only other scum read, and I'm being viewed better than Mongoose by most of the thread. He ain't got the pull to push the lynch on me so what other option is there except buss Mongoose and paint a connection with his other scum read, me?

His other option (and especially if he and Mongoose were together) would have been for one or both of them to just change their read on me to Mafia. You and Sloonei had it in for me out of the gate. If Llama is Mafia and wanted to win today he could have helped you and Sloonei lynch me. Juliets has enough doubt to not leap to my defence.

That ain't optimal play imo. It'd leave him exposed 'cause it wouldn't make any sense as a read change, and I don't think he believes he can't get you lynched especially with the way Sloonei and I cooled on you and developped a Llama/Mongoose pairing.

[Sloonei]

Yeah okay Mongoose and Llama it is.

Okay well stand by anyway because I've already got the ball rolling on this thing and I wanna finish it.

[MacDougall]

If Llama is Mafia and in win now mode then his teammate is someone else. If I am wrong it doesn't matter anyway because if Mongoose gets lynched today and Llama is the other Mafia he's going to lose no matter which way the rest of the game pans out. Llama is too smart to have got trapped this way imo.

Well, he is trapped. Him and Mongoose prodding my case and keeping me at neutral had a side effect of buddying you. Juliets is mod-confirmed. He can't justify a scum read on Sloonei even though he tried to throw some shade by saying that his EoD behavior were bad but not a "slight" to his overall play lol.

I'm his only other scum read, and I'm being viewed better than Mongoose by most of the thread. He ain't got the pull to push the lynch on me so what other option is there except buss Mongoose and paint a connection with his other scum read, me?

His other option (and especially if he and Mongoose were together) would have been for one or both of them to just change their read on me to Mafia. You and Sloonei had it in for me out of the gate. If Llama is Mafia and wanted to win today he could have helped you and Sloonei lynch me. Juliets has enough doubt to not leap to my defence.

That ain't optimal play imo. It'd leave him exposed 'cause it wouldn't make any sense as a read change, and I don't think he believes he can't get you lynched especially with the way Sloonei and I cooled on you and developped a Llama/Mongoose pairing.

In the world where Llama and Mongoose are Mafia, and what you are saying does make sense, why the hell didn't he turn on me before it was too late then?

[novaselinenever]

If Llama is Mafia and in win now mode then his teammate is someone else. If I am wrong it doesn't matter anyway because if Mongoose gets lynched today and Llama is the other Mafia he's going to lose no matter which way the rest of the game pans out. Llama is too smart to have got trapped this way imo.

Well, he is trapped. Him and Mongoose prodding my case and keeping me at neutral had a side effect of buddying you. Juliets is mod-confirmed. He can't justify a scum read on Sloonei even though he tried to throw some shade by saying that his EoD behavior were bad but not a "slight" to his overall play lol.

I'm his only other scum read, and I'm being viewed better than Mongoose by most of the thread. He ain't got the pull to push the lynch on me so what other option is there except buss Mongoose and paint a connection with his other scum read, me?

His other option (and especially if he and Mongoose were together) would have been for one or both of them to just change their read on me to Mafia. You and Sloonei had it in for me out of the gate. If Llama is Mafia and wanted to win today he could have helped you and Sloonei lynch me. Juliets has enough doubt to not leap to my defence.

That ain't optimal play imo. It'd leave him exposed 'cause it wouldn't make any sense as a read change, and I don't think he believes he can't get you lynched especially with the way Sloonei and I cooled on you and developped a Llama/Mongoose pairing.

In the world where Llama and Mongoose are Mafia, and what you are saying does make sense, why the hell didn't he turn on me before it was too late then?

'Cause I was the mislynch target for the day and buddying you while keeping me at neutral would have led to that today. But your plan messed up their plans, the activity generated post the flip and you, sloonei and me going at it is what lead to Mongoose going back to being a prime target and him starting to get suspected. Prior to that, Mongoose had been dropped as a target and he hadn't had any suspicions on him. They didn't see it coming I believe.

[novaselinenever]

They couldn't have both, and it was either going for your mislynch with my help or going for my mislynch with your help. They've made their choice about that a long time ago, and their treatment of me showcases it.

[novaselinenever]

Sloonei, I want to go to bed.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei, I want to go to bed.

SORRY

[MacDougall]

Sloonei you promised me a thing

[Sloonei]

Why it's Llama and Mongoose: An Analysis

By Sloonei

Llama arrives on the scene Night 1 and starts throwing his weight around like a good boy. Look at him go!

Okay, I read day zero and I want to post some thoughts before I forget them, and then move on to reading Day 1:
ColinIsCool - Nothing of substance. I don't love the aloofness.
dunya - Seems supatown to me. Good, aggressive behavior trying to smoke out baddies. I like.
juliets - The exchange with Mac where he demands she throw out reads and she refuses is interesting. Could go a number of ways, but I'm inclined to read it civ on civ.
Lunalee - Sucking up a little to Dunya, but then again, I can see why.
MacDougall - See juliets.
Mongoose - Her tone seems a little different than what I'm used to. Bears watching.
novaselinenever - I was pinged by her post expressing frustration over not having won in a while. Could be the result of being given a baddie role and feeling outnumbered.
Sloonei - Active posting, good hunting. Leaning town.

His first mention of Mongoose is a negative one. He implicates that bears are watching her suggests that she deserves scrutiny with an assumed implication that he intends to carry the torch.

Another thing he does around the same time is call out Colin for various things, among them, his no lynch vote:

Okay, I'm mostly caught up. I do think Colin looks terrible after Day 1. Wishy washy, not hunting, no reads, votes for no lynch (along with Mongoose) which is always a bad vote, in my view. HOWEVER there's this: [Some crap about Luna].

This will be relevant later. Put a pin in it. Moving along:

I don't like to play the "we know each other well" card at all. I don't want anyone thinking I have a superior abilty to read someone based on a personal relationship. I am not Ika and Silverwolf. That said, I thought her tone seemed weird for all of Day 0. In Day 1, she started out on the defensive, which I always think is a bad look, but has since settled in to what I consider to be her usual playstyle. Right now, I would say my read on her is fairly neutral leaning very slightly in the direction of bad. I think the two baddies will be found among Colin, Mongoose, Nova, and Luna. Mac has me feeling really confident he's a civ. Way to pile on that mass, Mac.

Juliets asks Llama for a more elaborate read on Mongoose because they know each other well. I don't fault llama for trying to avoid that card and I think it's noble. But it doesn't tell me anything about his alignment here. I do get a little suggestion of something in everything he says after the ika and silverwolf memory (and what a memory that is!) "Her tone seemed weird... she started out on the defensive, which I always think is a bad look... fairly neutral leaning very slightly in the direction of bad." I think I used the term "throat clearing" in my original ISO when I came across this post. Llama spends about half this post hemming and hawing before spitting out "fairly neutral leaning very slightly in the direction of bad." I can't imagine it's possible to express a suspicion in weaker terms. This suspicion is so weak it might as well be a town read. But it's not.

But also that's not even my biggest concern. He's thrice mentioned Mongoose, the player he knows best in the game, in a negative light. Should that not make her a fairly compelling suspect in the llama book?
Evidently not, because the next time she comes up is right here:

Okay, now that it's Day, I have questions.

Colin & Mongoose: Why did you vote no lynch yesterday? Be specific.

Everyone else: What is your read on Luna? I don't like how no one but me is talking about her. It feels like a "move on, nothing to see here" kind of scenario.

Her response:

I’ve been on the fence on whether to be truthful about what happened with my vote (hear me out), but I’ve been very candid in this game and I want to continue that. About 45 mins before the vote ended, I decided to switch my vote to Luna, Like is said I would do when I fully picked a player to vote. I literally voted in one of the changing stalls at the yoga studio. Then I put my phone in my bag and headed to class. When I got out, I was shocked to see that the poll said I voted No Lynch. I don’t know if I failed to lock my phone and the gremlins got at it, if it’s another symptom of Mercury being in retrograde, or it just tumbled around in my gym bag with my clothes when I stuffed it into a cubby, but I didn’t intend to switch off Luna.

I mean why would I? I promised all day that I would vote for a player, and I kinda torpedoed my work day to catch up to my put myself in a position to do that. So imagine my abject horror when I saw it didn’t reflect Luna. I don’t blame you if you are skeptical of this story. I’d be too if it hadn’t happened to me.

But that’s what really happened. I won’t be doing any more no lynch votes by the way; I was kinda using it as a placeholder to make sure I wasn’t a voting non participant.

It was one of the most frustrating things I’ve experienced in a game and it was no one’s fault, but YIKES.

If you have any questions, please @ me to ensure I see it -thanks!

This reads as rehearsed to me. "I've been on the fence..." followed by a big long story which absolves her of the cardinal sin of No Lynching. These were the very first things either of them posted on Day 2, which just furthers the impression that they conspired during the night in BTSC to push this story to the forefront so that the No Lynch saga can fade away quickly, as evidenced by his response.

Here is where you can take the pin out and go back to my point about Colin from earlier. Colin, of course, was the other sinner guilty of No Lynching. How do these two treat Colin on the day that he will be lynched? Llama has almost nothing to say about him rather uncritically accepts Colin's rationale for the No Lynch (which I believe he'd shared previously anyway) and then referenced him off hand a couple more times as a potential, backburner suspect. The meatiest instance came here when he listed Colin among his "weak" group of town reads in Operation: Trustfall. But, like, there's no pursuit of Colin before or after this. All the while, The Cool Guy is getting lynched. Llama mentions him zero more times until posting "RIP Colin". Mongoose, meanwhile, was openly supportive of Colin through the day (but never actively campaigned against his lynch, I might add.)

I propose that the scum team comprised of Llama and Mongoose actively conspired to keep the No Lynch discussion away from the forefront of the discussion. 1) Llama opened the day by asking Colin and Mongoose to explain themselves. 2) Mongoose's first post of the day was then a response to this question in which she shared a very thoroughly detailed story about how she came to accidentally vote for a No Lynch. 3) They both absolved not only Mongoose, but also Colin of any wrongdoing. Note the marked contrast between Night 1 Llama and Day 2 llama with regards to the no lynches. On Night 1 it was a bad thing all the time. On Day 2 it was a non-issue after the first post.

So what did these two focus on instead Day 2?
Answer: Luna & Nova. Both of them, separately, pushed the same two suspects in almost the same way. WILD, huh? Mafia need two mislynches to win the game and they have a lot of confusion and uncertainty in the thread. Mongoose was a suspect, but now that we've swept the No Lynch drama under the rug, all we need to do is push some other names to the forefront and she can fade away.

Llama & Mongoose talkin' 'bout Luna, Day 2:

Spoiler: show

I mean I threw the claim out there because I have nothing to lose from it. It's only a potential help to town. I get it looks "too convenient" but I thought it would be better than staying silent about my role. I also get that you guys don't have to believe me, but dang @Sloonei to ask for a claim and then not believe it when it shows up is a bit silly.

Having nothing to lose would be as good a reason to lie as it would be to tell the truth. If not a better reason.

@Lunalee you seem to be the closest thing to a consensus suspect right now. I’m not sure I see it, but I also don’t feel like I have enough evidence to call you a firm town read. Get in here and give us your thoughts on things please and thanks.

Also why aren’t you all voting?

Reason I'm not voting is because it is Thursday night, and I have until Saturday to decide who to vote for.

I am also surprised to be a consensus suspect. I don't see it either, but maybe I should catch up first.

I don’t care what time it is or how long we have left. Votes on the poll are data and visible action. They help. Everyone should put their votes on the player they most suspect at any time.

Based on this, I’ll go ahead and vote early too.[VOTE: luna] aubergine

Okay, so I saw this and thought it was a positive point for mongoose:

Spoiler: show

Okay, now that it's Day, I have questions.

Colin & Mongoose: Why did you vote no lynch yesterday? Be specific.

Everyone else: What is your read on Luna? I don't like how no one but me is talking about her. It feels like a "move on, nothing to see here" kind of scenario.

I’ve been on the fence on whether to be truthful about what happened with my vote (hear me out), but I’ve been very candid in this game and I want to continue that. About 45 mins before the vote ended, I decided to switch my vote to Luna, Like is said I would do when I fully picked a player to vote. I literally voted in one of the changing stalls at the yoga studio. Then I put my phone in my bag and headed to class. When I got out, I was shocked to see that the poll said I voted No Lynch. I don’t know if I failed to lock my phone and the gremlins got at it, if it’s another symptom of Mercury being in retrograde, or it just tumbled around in my gym bag with my clothes when I stuffed it into a cubby, but I didn’t intend to switch off Luna.

I mean why would I? I promised all day that I would vote for a player, and I kinda torpedoed my work day to catch up to my put myself in a position to do that. So imagine my abject horror when I saw it didn’t reflect Luna. I don’t blame you if you are skeptical of this story. I’d be too if it hadn’t happened to me.

But that’s what really happened. I won’t be doing any more no lynch votes by the way; I was kinda using it as a placeholder to make sure I wasn’t a voting non participant.

It was one of the most frustrating things I’ve experienced in a game and it was no one’s fault, but YIKES.

If you have any questions, please @ me to ensure I see it -thanks!

That being said, I don't think you would make up this story as a lie, so fine.

BUT then you later say that it's "non-alignment indicative." okay, guess I sort of missed that.

Yeah, I don't see her making up a needless lie like that. It would be easier just to own the no lynch vote and argue why it's a good vote, as many people have done successfully in the past. I don't think the fact that she didn't lie in this instance makes her necessarily good though.

Just want to throw this out there: What has Colin done in this game that scum Colin wouldn't do?

Not a fan of this question. It's like asking people to prove a negative. The burden of proof is on the town to demonstrate that lynch candidates might be bad. "You can't prove he's not bad, therefore he's bad" is a slippery, fallacious argument. The only honest answer to your question is "nothing" because baddies are capable of doing anything thta civs can do. There are, however, certain things baddies would do that civs would never do. So a better question is, What has Colin done this game that civvie Colin wouldn't do?

Personaly, I think there are a couple of answers to that, but the fact that you asked it the other way around makes me even more suspicious of you than I already was.

If juliets is telling the truth, then we either have a civilian 1-shot doublevoter and a mafia roleblocker in addition to her, or she’s the only non-vanilla role in the game.

If the former, then it might be prudent for the doublevoter to claim now. We could have two pseudo-cleared civilians instead of a single dubious cop claim. I think that would be more valuable than a single concealed double vote. The mafia roleblocker is essentially powerless now, assuming they can only block night actions.

Well okay. I'm the doublevoter.

Are we sure about that?

Okay, Sloonei, you win. Luna is faker than a plastic Christmas tree in July.

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

And so on. You get the picture. This last one is particularly egregious, because at no point did I feel like I had pinned Luna down as scum, nor did I attempt to or suggest such a thing. Llama looks like he was trying to provoke me to vote for Luna.

Llama & Mongoose talkin' 'bout Nova, Day 2:

Spoiler: show

Ok, this is getting damn confusing.

Luna's claim: the mafia knows which configuration we're in so if we're in the cop, vanilla, vanilla they know one of them can claim double voter and get away with it. Is that what you guys (Mac, Sloon, llama) believe? It does seem like a possibility. And I did make the point earlier that Luna could have given that "bright shining civ" compliment to dunya to distance herself from a kill. But, would she have known that early in the game that they were going to kill dunya? I'm more confused about Luna than I was before the NK.

Mac and nova - I don't think Mac is mafia but is his nova and sloonei suspicion believable? I need to look at nova again and see if I feel like his Mac suspicion was made up or flowed naturally. sloonei's suspicion of me and subsequent tunneling definitely seemed off to me given my behavior as a civ over many games. I don't relish the thought of re-reading sloonei but I guess I'm going to have to. Sloonei is my tinfoil suspicion.

thellama73 what are you thinking about nova and sloonei? Do the things Mac says make sense to you?

MacDougall PLEASE don't check out. We really need you now. No one was responding to you because we were asleep not because we don't care. Please don't devolve into just trolling.

I have not felt too good about Nova from the beginning, but I don't have very much concrete to go on. I think Sloonei is civilian. Pretty much the only thing I really agree with Mac on is his suspicion of Luna. I think her claim coming as it did right after Sloonei mentioned that it would be a good idea for the doublevoter to claim, felt too convenient. She said "I have nothing to lose" which sounds to me like a baddie about to be lynched throwing a last minute hail mary. I don't think it's as sophisticated the analysis above indicates. Just desperation.

Llama's been pretty consistent with his "got pinged early" read on me. It's giving me the heebie jeebies

Do the heebiejeebies mean you think he's bad?

Not necessarily. It a negative ping though.

That seems like... an odd thing to be pinged by. But okay.

Lynch all liars?

Epignosis claims he lies all the time as a civilian, but he is weird. I generally assume that if someone is caught in a lie, they are bad. The question I'm asking myself now is whether you legitimately expected me to forget a suspicion I had less than 72 hours ago.

I don't expect you to forget it. However, I'd expect you to omit it when sharing reads especially when it's something as weak as being pinged by "Hi, I'm nova and I'm tired of losing". The contrast is too big.

Perhaps lol. I disagree though, the original ping itself (yours) is pretty weak. It's about my first comment in thread "tired to lose" that one has to milk heavily in order to extrapolate a scum read from. I feel that'd be pretty natural for someone to forget about it with how many other posts and content I have that can be analyzed for reads. Repeating it several times (especially when it's contrasted by a "I feel better about him now/recently") strikes me as being extremely self-aware to and attempt to keep consistency that isn't natural.

(and a bit of prodding Mac to bring up his nova case)
Mongoose actually doesn't have much to say about nova on Day 2, but the surrounding phases have content:

Ok thanks llama that's very helpful. Can you be more specific on what you are seeing in nova that causes you to call him bad? If you have done that and I missed it, my apologies.

Not a lot concrete. I found the initial "tired of losing" comment suspicious. Others have gone on to explain that away, but I don't know that I'm convinced. I don't like Nova's case on Mac. Very unconvincing to me. Call it a gut read if you like.

I find the latter allegation way way more persuasive than the former.

Linkcake

We've got an hour and a half left, votes ever so slightly leaning toward Colin. I support this lynch, but my mind is far from made up. If anything has any concerns about either of these wagons, or about anything else that's going on, please voice them. This is a pretty crucial lynch.

Bleeding over from yesterday, it would definitely be nova. Seems as much as a complementary team as any of the others we've postulated.

Lynch all liars?

Epignosis claims he lies all the time as a civilian, but he is weird. I generally assume that if someone is caught in a lie, they are bad. The question I'm asking myself now is whether you legitimately expected me to forget a suspicion I had less than 72 hours ago.

I don't expect you to forget it. However, I'd expect you to omit it when sharing reads especially when it's something as weak as being pinged by "Hi, I'm nova and I'm tired of losing". The contrast is too big.

Man, that was a weird ping. Whether you have lost or not seems super based in fact (and not alignment indicative).

SO, in conclusion, Llama & Mongoose spent Day 2 making sure that the No Lynch issue faded away, then pushed hard on Luna while passively allowing Colin to be lynched without dirtying their hands. Each of them have supported cases against nova at various times and have pushed him in this final phase as a primary POE target. NOW we can still believe that nova is bad, and his alignment is far from confirmed, but the amount of apparent coordination I can find in Llama and Mongoose's posts is staggering, frankly. I can't look past it. They are bad.

[Sloonei]

Sloonei you promised me a thing

Consider yourself THINGED

[MacDougall]

That has lots of words so it must be right. Consider me convinced.

[Sloonei]

That has lots of words so it must be right. Consider me convinced.

In keeping with the Paddy's Pub tradition: whoever yells the loudest is in charge.

[MacDougall]

That has lots of words so it must be right. Consider me convinced.

In keeping with the Paddy's Pub tradition: whoever yells the loudest is in charge.

You continue to make coercive arguments Sloonei. I like your hustle.

[novaselinenever]

Nice read. I can go to sleep, finally!

[Sloonei]

If I wasn't so sure about you, you'd be making me nervous right now. at mac

[juliets]

Ok, I didn't post any more points on Mongoose besides the final two because I was concentrating on the big picture. I don't like that she has let llama call her bad without standing up to him like she stood up to dunya. I'm worried about that post that looks like a slip but will wait for her to explain it. And I don't understand her comment about the game is young but will wait for her to explain it. I can at least conceive of a bad Mongoose but I don't have on my happy face while considering it.

I'm reticent to say this because it is going to make me look like an invertebrate, but I avoid poking the bear that is Llama unless I have really solid grounds. I'm not going to just poke him (Mac Style) unless I have something tangible. As we are flowing through the game, I haven't seen anything on its own that would make me do that, but that might very well be different with an ISO.

We've had a "dynamic past" with mafia games, where things can get pretty sour between us when we suspect each other in games (where it's made us fall out IRL for like a day), so I don't wrassle that beast without a serious arsenal of substance behind me.

linki - thanks, guys!

Something that strikes me about this post - llama has been reading her bad or slightly bad since he entered the game. Now if their dynamic is as she says (underlined above, and I believe it is) would he risk the relationship based on the more vague feelings he had at the beginning of his game? I don't think so. I think it makes much more sense that they are in cahoots and thats why it's ok to read her as slightly bad right out of the shoot and then build on that suspicion as the game goes on until we get to his most certainly bad read on her of late. The plan is to buss her and then he can ride that to a win.

Also, I am completely convinced by Sloonei's post late last night that we are on the right track. I won't be here to vote for llama but he would be my choice over nova unless something big happens.

[juliets]

I don't understand why some of us are voting Mongoose and some are voting llama. Is there an urgency about llama today?

[juliets]

Also, I'm off to work and won't be back until late this afternoon.

[novaselinenever]

No, there is none but I'm interested in seeing something lol.

[Sloonei]

I don't understand why some of us are voting Mongoose and some are voting llama. Is there an urgency about llama today?

No. I juat chose llama to emphasize my confidence about him. I think mongoose is the safer choice.

[novaselinenever]

[novaselinenever]

It's a weird feeling not having anything to talk about with so much time left.

[novaselinenever]

Hope Juliets finishes her re-read of me soon

[Sloonei]

It's a weird feeling not having anything to talk about with so much time left.

How do I know you’re town?

[novaselinenever]

It's a weird feeling not having anything to talk about with so much time left.

How do I know you’re town?

Look in your heart.

[Sloonei]

It's a weird feeling not having anything to talk about with so much time left.

How do I know you’re town?

Look in your heart.

Convine like a civilian who’s tired of losing

[novaselinenever]

It's a weird feeling not having anything to talk about with so much time left.

How do I know you’re town?

Look in your heart.

Convine like a civilian who’s tired of losing

Hi, I'm Nova and I'm really tired of losing as a civilian

[Sloonei]

It's a weird feeling not having anything to talk about with so much time left.

How do I know you’re town?

Look in your heart.

Convine like a civilian who’s tired of losing

Hi, I'm Nova and I'm really tired of losing as a civilian

I haven’t seen you doing as much work as others in the thread today. Earlier you were convinced that Mac was the top suspect, but now you’ve moved to Llama/Mongoose, but I didn’t see you do a whole lot to arrive at that conclusion, and now you seem like you’re just running out the clock.

[novaselinenever]

It'd be pretty funny if you were bad, and just taking the piss lol.

Linki - what?

[novaselinenever]

I wouldn't be here posting if I were running the clock.

[Sloonei]

I wouldn't be here posting if I were running the clock.

Sure you would. You’re not saying anything new or hunting, but you’re keeping up the appearance of being active.

[novaselinenever]

It's a weird feeling not having anything to talk about with so much time left.

How do I know you’re town?

Look in your heart.

Convine like a civilian who’s tired of losing

Hi, I'm Nova and I'm really tired of losing as a civilian

I haven’t seen you doing as much work as others in the thread today. Earlier you were convinced that Mac was the top suspect, but now you’ve moved to Llama/Mongoose, but I didn’t see you do a whole lot to arrive at that conclusion, and now you seem like you’re just running out the clock.

What are you talking about? I was the first one to dig in after Luna's flip, and came up with my PoE of Mac/Llama/Mongoose. My work is there on it. Mac slipped as a top suspect after my numerous interaction with Llama who solidified himself as top suspect, and brining Mongoose with him by association. And also due to my interaction with him after the flip. I was the first one saying that his reaction was all right.

"Didn't see you do a whole lot to arrive at that conclusions" -> Read my post and interactions.