World Flags Mafia GAME OVER - TOWN WINS

[ColinIsCool]

I believe sabie is a civilian.

There is something about the way he said this that made me think this was a legitimate civ read. I don't think Sabie is their teammate.

I’m not saying you or Sabie are bad, but what in Bruce Almighty’s name are we supposed to get out of this? What is this “something”?

[Jackofhearts2005]

The vest gift claim isn't supposed to clear Pou. Cause of course someone gave Jay a vest last night. How many someones, we don't know. Was one of those someones Pou? We don't know.

Sure, it's not a "clearance". It isn't nothing either though. One way or another, poutanko knows that I received a vest. Either she is a blacksmith or she is on the communist team.

Disagree. Last scum on the Epi/DDL team has to claim to have given someone something without actually doing so. So they have to successfully guess that a certain player got a certain thing.

If I was scum and needed to make that guess, I'd guess Jay gets a vest N1. It's the most obvious pick for someone else to make.

Say Sabie gave you a real vest last night and it was the only vest you got. You don't know that only Sabie gave you a vest. Sabie doesn't know that only she gave you a vest. She could counterclaim Pou or not counterclaim and either way, we aren't closer to catching Pou.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sabo turns guns into self kills, orbs into reverse orbs, vests into fake vests.

I kinda like that for the kills because it means that I can say I gave Jay a gun, the gun backfires and you don't know if there was another fake gun given that overrode mine, if mine was sabotaged or if I gave Jay a fake gun.

It just gets problematic when scum literally can't give but all townies can.

[ColinIsCool]

I gave someone a gun last night and if they don’t use it I will be upset.

[sprityo]

Someone is going to get shot. Unfortunately your thirst for chaos is fundamentally incompatible with my hunting patience.

I have a mighty need for chaos

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A review of the reads provided by [mention]sabie12[/mention]

Spoiler: show

EBWOP: That's very common for Nutella. She's almost as blendy as I am, she's just more verbose about it.

maybe that was nutella of a different era, but nutella today has strong opinions. like very strong. stronger than that cuban coffee strong. she's wishy washy as hell, but still opinionated.

I was going to disagree with you, but then you said how she is wishy washy and I would agree there. I'm thinking of last game she was quick to change her vote depending on what other people were saying. I am also wishy washy at times though so I can't fault anyone for that.

Also is there one of those lists where we can ISO players? I play on my phone so I don't have an easy way to do that.

This is not quite a read. It's something similar, a general assessment of nutella's Mafia persona.

Spoiler: show

Okay so while I was at work people were talking about hooking people up, who's dating who etc. Maybe that's really what the UN talks about when they meet
Why is everyone trying to date dunyas sister? Haha

I'll have to go back more to see what else is happening and catch up there's a lot. I notice nutella no longer has votes although I was iffy on her yesterday. Luna is iffy. I get why she says we need people who get the discussion going but we should care if those people are scummy or not.

nutella and Luna are iffy. These are concretely reads, even if not descriptive.

Spoiler: show

Also also in looking back I now see where nutella suspicion was more addressed.


Luna I was just saying you were iffy because of seeming like you didn't care that someone was mafia if they posted a lot and got the conversation going.

Expanded.

Spoiler: show

Fell asleep last night. I guess at this point I have some suspicion on speed for wanting to get rid of low posters and shoot everyone. And I feel like I've seen more sketchy speed than town speed in games lately and to me so far he seems more on the scummy side. Voting Mac for his lack of wanting to read and catch up on anything or really wanting to figure out anything. I see votes on him which seem like as I said before a mix of people trying to push him to participate more and some suspicion based on the way he's posting.

Sloonei is difficult because I thought last game he seemed off and not his usual self at first but then got more into it and he was town. Seems like that's kinda what might be happening again.

Jack I can see why people suspect him but he seems like hes playing more like he did in world asunder when he was town. When he was scummy last game he seemed at first to suspect his teammates and was all calm and town like. When he was town he was over zealous and all over the place. At least that's how I've seen a contrast.


Currently [VOTE: mac] aubergine
I'll be back after work.

Clear suspicions of speedchuck and Mac. Clear meta-based civilian reads on Sloonei and Jack.

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There's more here than I anticipated. The full post history is still limited, a POE removal is more than I can presently stomach. I don't think she looks terrible though.

[sprityo]

sprityo, can items be sabotaged on the same night that they are received, or does sabotage only apply to items which were already possessed when the night began?

Sabotage is last in the action list so yes, it effects items received in the same night

[sprityo]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] this setup was supposed to be for 25 but we sadly could not run it with an average of 4 deaths a night

[JaggedJimmyJay]

The vest gift claim isn't supposed to clear Pou. Cause of course someone gave Jay a vest last night. How many someones, we don't know. Was one of those someones Pou? We don't know.

Sure, it's not a "clearance". It isn't nothing either though. One way or another, poutanko knows that I received a vest. Either she is a blacksmith or she is on the communist team.

Disagree. Last scum on the Epi/DDL team has to claim to have given someone something without actually doing so. So they have to successfully guess that a certain player got a certain thing.

If I was scum and needed to make that guess, I'd guess Jay gets a vest N1. It's the most obvious pick for someone else to make.

Say Sabie gave you a real vest last night and it was the only vest you got. You don't know that only Sabie gave you a vest. Sabie doesn't know that only she gave you a vest. She could counterclaim Pou or not counterclaim and either way, we aren't closer to catching Pou.

You've ventured into a layer of speculation that I don't tend to dwell in. What you suggest is not impossible, but it doesn't strike me as probable either.

I received two vests (one of which is discarded by rule). poutanko is probably one of them.

[nutella]

Ok whatevs if I die I die

SHOOT Leetic

[mention]sprityo[/mention]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

sprityo, can items be sabotaged on the same night that they are received, or does sabotage only apply to items which were already possessed when the night began?

Sabotage is last in the action list so yes, it effects items received in the same night

If a fake item is sabotaged, does it become real?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

LOCKED.

[sprityo]

PLEASE HOLD

[sprityo]

A SHOT RINGS OUT!

leetic is on the floor, dead

Leetic was the Irish Flag, a Ninja and the last member of the Dictators of Despair

Poll Has been a reset, there is currently 29.5 hours left in the day

[speedchuck]

Eviscerated, jeez.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Awesome. Great decision, nutella.

[ColinIsCool]

They got rogered but good.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

12 vs. 3

All reads can now be fake. Let's go win.

[ColinIsCool]

I want more bloodshed.

[nutella]

Omg amazing

[Lunalee]

Omg amazing

agreed, nice shot!

[Lunalee]

still think someone needs to bit the bullet and shoot jack. I just really don't buy his granny claim.

[speedchuck]

This is like pseudo-resetting to a day one.

Not quite a full reset. We have kills and 50 pages worth of posts. But the dynamic has changed and we can't suspect people based on flipped teammates anymore. AND the scum can't realhunt now.\

linki: yeah someone should shoot jack and we'll have a townfirm.

[speedchuck]

Actually, wait no

Don't shoot Jack

[ColinIsCool]

still think someone needs to bit the bullet and shoot jack. I just really don't buy his granny claim.

I think we could hold off until there’s a counterclaim at least.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If there's another granny out there then Jack is bad. I have no idea why mafia Jack makes that fake claim, so I'm not on board with shooting him until someone gives me a secure reason.

[leetic]

This sucks.

[speedchuck]

The only ways a granny can die is by mafia ninja and by lynch.

If we give vests to the granny and keep them alive till the ninja dies, we can have an invincible townfirm... And then if the mafia don't know who the granny is...
Well, Jack could be town-fake-claiming to draw fire was the point, but no that's stupid. Yeah, go on and shoot him just in case he lyin.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hot fucking damn. Good instinct, Nutella.

Don't shoot me, idjits. The entire case against me is that I had teammate equity with the scumteam that just got eliminated.

Luna or Speed should be shot for proposing this.

[ColinIsCool]

Is giving a vest a visit tho?

[speedchuck]

An unclaimed granny is worth more than a claimed granny, and we have a lot of bullets. Why not just shoot Jack to be sure?
Maybe the town granny doesn't want to claim and immediately get nightkilled. (And AGAIN, it's not me I promise)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Ask TSA if it counts.

[speedchuck]

Is giving a vest a visit tho?

Yeah, nevermind. Don't vest the granny.

[speedchuck]

Ask TSA if it counts.

Oof.

[Jackofhearts2005]

An unclaimed granny is worth more than a claimed granny, and we have a lot of bullets. Why not just shoot Jack to be sure?
Maybe the town granny doesn't want to claim and immediately get nightkilled. (And AGAIN, it's not me I promise)

Why not just shoot you? Why are you proposing to throw away what are essentially extra lynches?

[novaselinenever]

Good job nutella

[novaselinenever]

Now someone shoot her

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My typical breakdown of the numbers is less applicable in a game with so many miscellaneous kills, so I won't [yet] determine the "official" POE size needed to win the game. I will estimate though. Here's our formula:

POE size needed to win = number of living mafia + number of mislynches available

POE = 3 + X

I will be very conservative and estimate X to 2. POE = 5.

Please give me your 5-player POE pools.

[Jackofhearts2005]

That's super conservative considering we could have upwards of 5 shots a day and the mafia has to kill me twice.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jay, Nutella....maybe Sloonei, maybe Sabie are out of my POE. Everyone else is in.

[speedchuck]

An unclaimed granny is worth more than a claimed granny, and we have a lot of bullets. Why not just shoot Jack to be sure?
Maybe the town granny doesn't want to claim and immediately get nightkilled. (And AGAIN, it's not me I promise)

Why not just shoot you? Why are you proposing to throw away what are essentially extra lynches?

People can shoot me if they want. Though I'd prefer to survive till D3 and get a gun pls.

We have (if the gunsmiths targeted different people) like 5 extra lynches today, and 5 tomorrow, and 5 the day after, etc. Plus we have the vest/orb/gun folks, 3 of them left, so there's more 'extra lynches'. So we have enough 'extra lynches' to kill the ENTIRE GAME by the time scum get two more nightkills.

I'm not concerned about us running out of extra lynches at all.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That's super conservative considering we could have upwards of 5 shots a day and the mafia has to kill me twice.

Yes, it's a worst-case kind of thing if civilians shoot civilians every time.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

People I don't feel comfortable pulling right now:

novaselinenever
nutella
sabie12
speedchuck
Long Con
Sloonei
Lunalee
DFaraday
Quin
Audrey
ColinIsCool
poutanko

People I refuse to consider pulling right now:

novaselinenever
sabie12
Long Con
Quin
Audrey
ColinIsCool

[novaselinenever]

We could stop shooting and play it as a 12 v 3 going forward. The orb and vest are huge in that case

[novaselinenever]

People I don't feel comfortable pulling right now:

novaselinenever
nutella
sabie12
speedchuck
Long Con
Sloonei
Lunalee
DFaraday
Quin
Audrey
ColinIsCool
poutanko

People I refuse to consider pulling right now:

novaselinenever
sabie12
Long Con
Quin
Audrey
ColinIsCool

Translation?

[Jackofhearts2005]

[speedchuck]

My math doesn't account as much for vests and dead gun-givers, but still. Basically we should all use guns today because guns are awesome and we'll get another bunch of them tomorrow.

[Jackofhearts2005]

pewpewpewpewpewpewpewpewpewpew

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Translation?

I don't see overt civilian play in very many people right now. There are a smaller handful that I would call "priority". Everything is subject to review.

[speedchuck]

We could stop shooting and play it as a 12 v 3 going forward. The orb and vest are huge in that case

This is the most sane thing I've heard all game. I hate it.

But it is very pro-town, and Nova is townly for suggesting it.