Vault Hunt [Game Over]

[Epignosis]

Lynch nova next. That's my contribution.

[Epignosis]

In fact, I did see him with the devil.

[novaselinenever]

It is Night 1. There was no flip. Nova, what is expected of me right now?

Nothing. Nothing at all

[novaselinenever]

I wanted an update on the game

[novaselinenever]

Did someone hurt you again?

[Epignosis]

Nah. I'm just tired, drunk, and bored.

And not even drunk.

[speedchuck]

I have a potential replacement for Muriel. I will try to have someone else in the game by end of night.

[Epignosis]

All hell is breaking loose outside. Ambulances and firetrucks. Jesus. Gotta see.

[Epignosis]

False alarm. They were passing by but loud as hell. Sounded right outside my house.

[Epignosis]

I would lynch Jack. I think he's pretty useless right now.

[Epignosis]

I don't even know what that means though, on reflection.

[Epignosis]

Majority voting, no flips?

This is a guessing game.

I don't like guessing games.

They're not fun.

[Epignosis]

I'd still lynch Jack because fuck him.

[Epignosis]

MORDEFLY

[Jackofhearts2005]

I would lynch Jack. I think he's pretty useless right now.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'd still lynch Jack because fuck him.

[Epignosis]

I need five more to fill Steely Dan Mafia.

It's going to be groovy.

Please sign up.

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[Epignosis]

Sorry for the ad there speedchuck, but it's worth it and your ad rates are cheap (free heh).

[Epignosis]

So back to this, I don't know what I'm supposed to do here at this time besides wait on info.

[Epignosis]

Suck city.

[speedchuck]

I need five more to fill Steely Dan Mafia.

It's going to be groovy.

Please sign up.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 14#p516414

Do it.

[speedchuck]

NIGHT ACTIONS

GET THEM TO ME SOONER RATHER THAN LATER

[novaselinenever]

I'll just assume we got a baddie to keep the D1 streak alive

[Spacedaisy]

First of all god I’m sorry! My step grandmother had me take her to dinner and when I got back I jumped into schoolwork and forgot the vote completely!!

Lunalee, yes I did read Daisy's entire post and looked back at the roles to see what she was talking about. I didn't respond because I boiled it down to two things she was asking town about and then it looked like both of those things she or someone else had thought of reasons why they didn't work. I did like the clown idea but iirc she came up with a reason why that wouldn't work - a reason I can't remember. I'll look back to jog my memory. I think you'll see what I mean when you read it and break i

I don’t like this. I said I could think of one drawback but I didn’t feel like the drawback to the clown idea was bad enough to discredit it. I actually asked for input and I still would really like it.

QUESTION TO ALL: Should we have a public target for the clown pie to help Lilith ensure she gets to use her power every night?

This was the post where she decided the clown idea might not be the best. Now that I look at it again I do have a questions though. Daisy, why would it be obvious which target is Mordecai's? Or maybe someone else can answer it if Daisy is not around.

Oh I thought of a flaw in the idea of directing the clown’s target for Lilith, but I’m not sure it makes enough of a difference to outweigh the benefit. If we direct the clown’s target by public thread, and Lilith uses it then it will be obvious which target is Lilith’s andwhich is Mordecai’s. Is this a big enough drawback to make it a bad plan? Input please.

Oh Juliets this worries me. I flat out said in this post that I didn’t think it was a big enough drawback to offset the plan, how do get that I decided against it from that?

There is a role or power in the witches team that learns the targets of Lilith and Mordecai’s targetsbut not which is which. If it’s public knowledge who Lilith targets, then they know which is which.

How about we lynch Nutella and let her enjoy her trip in peace?

This is the first thing you’ve said that I genuinely feel icky about.

I still lean civ. I hope so anyway because now your votes are worth two.

[novaselinenever]

How about we lynch Nutella and let her enjoy her trip in peace?

This is the first thing you’ve said that I genuinely feel icky about.

I still lean civ. I hope so anyway because now your votes are worth two.

What is icky about it?

[Spacedaisy]

It’s not a civ mind set. Civs lynch people they suspect, not someone who is on vacation.

That said, I still think the whole of your posts look civ.

[novaselinenever]

But I do suspect Nutella, and if you ISO my posts you'd see that. Why wouldn't I want to lynch her?

The bit about her being in vacation as a reason was a joke lol.

[juliets]

Lunalee, yes I did read Daisy's entire post and looked back at the roles to see what she was talking about. I didn't respond because I boiled it down to two things she was asking town about and then it looked like both of those things she or someone else had thought of reasons why they didn't work. I did like the clown idea but iirc she came up with a reason why that wouldn't work - a reason I can't remember. I'll look back to jog my memory. I think you'll see what I mean when you read it and break i

I don’t like this. I said I could think of one drawback but I didn’t feel like the drawback to the clown idea was bad enough to discredit it. I actually asked for input and I still would really like it.

QUESTION TO ALL: Should we have a public target for the clown pie to help Lilith ensure she gets to use her power every night?

This was the post where she decided the clown idea might not be the best. Now that I look at it again I do have a questions though. Daisy, why would it be obvious which target is Mordecai's? Or maybe someone else can answer it if Daisy is not around.

Oh I thought of a flaw in the idea of directing the clown’s target for Lilith, but I’m not sure it makes enough of a difference to outweigh the benefit. If we direct the clown’s target by public thread, and Lilith uses it then it will be obvious which target is Lilith’s andwhich is Mordecai’s. Is this a big enough drawback to make it a bad plan? Input please.

Oh Juliets this worries me. I flat out said in this post that I didn’t think it was a big enough drawback to offset the plan, how do get that I decided against it from that?

There is a role or power in the witches team that learns the targets of Lilith and Mordecai’s targetsbut not which is which. If it’s public knowledge who Lilith targets, then they know which is which.

Given your explanation about Mordecai I don't know how I feel about this. I'm loathe to give the witches any more information than they already can get because it seems like we're at such a disadvantage already with no flips. At the same time, if we did it everynight we would know whether the person we killed was mafia, wouldn't we? That's good information for us to do interaction analysis and for the angels to know who the bad guys are in their midst. So anyway, those are my thoughts. I don't think anyone else has given thoughts about this unless I missed them so I'll be interested to see what others think.

[juliets]

I hate that I'm the only one here most mornings.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I hate that I'm the only one here most mornings.

G’morning.

[juliets]

I hate that I'm the only one here most mornings.

G’morning.

Hi Jack, any thoughts this morning? About anything.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I like the idea of using the clown and the oracle as pseudo flips for at least one player. Plus, it will inform the oracle when the clown dies. Telling the mafia who the cop peak was is a teenie tiny downside that I don’t really care about.

Both the clown and the oracle should target Epi because Epi needs a pie to the face.

[juliets]

I just thought of something about the whole clown thing. If the witches know who was targeted by Mordecai, and they know that person is town, does that put a target on the town person's head? Because someone knows that they are town? Is this the kind of teeny downside you're talking about Jack?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I hate that I'm the only one here most mornings.

G’morning.

Hi Jack, any thoughts this morning? About anything.

Wait until D3 and then cop and oracle out to give us the game situation?

Scum won’t bus in this game because it gets them no cred so outing a scum through either of these roles should be extra useful. Outted townies give the angels direction.

[juliets]

I hate that I'm the only one here most mornings.

G’morning.

Hi Jack, any thoughts this morning? About anything.

Wait until D3 and then cop and oracle out to give us the game situation?

Scum won’t bus in this game because it gets them no cred so outing a scum through either of these roles should be extra useful. Outted townies give the angels direction.

You're saying you want the cop and the oracle to out themselves D3 or am I misunderstanding?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I just thought of something about the whole clown thing. If the witches know who was targeted by Mordecai, and they know that person is town, does that put a target on the town person's head? Because someone knows that they are town? Is this the kind of teeny downside you're talking about Jack?

I don’t think private cop targets are at much more of a disadvantage. Scum already knows they’re town and the town (save the cop) doesn’t.

I meant there’s a little insight into who the cop is based on their target.

If I say I suspect you and Sprityo but most people townread you and the scum learns the cop targeted you, then that points to me being the cop.

[juliets]

I just thought of something about the whole clown thing. If the witches know who was targeted by Mordecai, and they know that person is town, does that put a target on the town person's head? Because someone knows that they are town? Is this the kind of teeny downside you're talking about Jack?

I don’t think private cop targets are at much more of a disadvantage. Scum already knows they’re town and the town (save the cop) doesn’t.

I meant there’s a little insight into who the cop is based on their target.

If I say I suspect you and Sprityo but most people townread you and the scum learns the cop targeted you, then that points to me being the cop.

Ok I see what you're saying. So it looks like to me the clown and oracle targeting the same person is useful. Now, we just need some people in here to agree on a direction for the target. Speed indicated he wants actions in asap.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I hate that I'm the only one here most mornings.

G’morning.

Hi Jack, any thoughts this morning? About anything.

Wait until D3 and then cop and oracle out to give us the game situation?

Scum won’t bus in this game because it gets them no cred so outing a scum through either of these roles should be extra useful. Outted townies give the angels direction.

You're saying you want the cop and the oracle to out themselves D3 or am I misunderstanding?

I do.

If the oracle reveals we’ve already lynched a scum and the cop gives a second scum, knowing that there is one wolf left, who one of their teammates is and that the other teammate is one of these two players gets us really close to a win situation and is worth sacrificing two townies. The alternative is bumbling around blindly with only one wolf left and probably mislynching anyway.

If the situation is worse (can’t afford to lose those roles, more likely to hit a wolf due to a higher wolf to town ratio) then they shouldn’t out. Like if the oracle sees there are 3 wolves or the cop only has now dead townies as results.

Objections?

[juliets]

Jack, what do you mean by this phrase "and that the other teammate is one of these two players" - is the "other teammate" the 3rd wolf and if so which two players are you talking about?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack, what do you mean by this phrase "and that the other teammate is one of these two players" - is the "other teammate" the 3rd wolf and if so which two players are you talking about?

A hypothetical third dead wolf.

So if the oracle learns there are 2 wolves left on D3 start, then one of the wolves is the player we lynched D2 or Luna. Unless the wolves nk themselves.

[juliets]

Ok thanks that clarifies is.

So I'm thinking about it. Was there a no double targeting rule? I ask because the Angel description says "Angels may also protect the same player more than once." So if they could protect say the cop night after night we should only lose one role. I just need to think through what all the potential consequences before I can whole heartedly agree.

[juliets]

So one thing is how would the oracle know its time to reveal a witch if they don't know if the cop has identified a second witch?

[juliets]

Ok, I'll go read a book for awhile. I would really like to hear from [mention]muugen[/mention] and [mention]sprityo[/mention] today.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Angels can only protect a player once period.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] caj angels stop a soup kill?

Cop should probably out if they find a wolf at all and oracle can decide later at their discretion.

[speedchuck]

@speedchuck can angels stop a soup kill?

No

[juliets]

Angels can only protect a player once period.

@speedchuck caj angels stop a soup kill?

Cop should probably out if they find a wolf at all and oracle can decide later at their discretion.

Jack, look back at the beginning where it talks about the angels. It says:

"Angels get the results of Priest checks at the end of each night. Angels are unable to give Protection when there are four or fewer living players at the start of night. Angels may also protect the same player more than once."

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yeah, I misread that.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Angels learn who the cop targeted so even less reason to worry about outting cop targets to the mafia.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Let’s play gth.

[juliets]

Let’s play gth.

Haha right. The last game I was civ and talked in the night about who I suspected I was killed N1.