Vault Hunt [Game Over]

[MacDougall]

Someone tell me what’s a thing I should do.

Look at Nutella. I have no opinion on her and that's a problem.

nutella went pretty hard out at lunalee in a game where the expectation is that you aren't gonna get distancing cred. I think she is town.

[Epignosis]

I checked Mac and he's a witch. Good game, good hustle.

Except you didn't and I am not.

[sprityo]

my poe pool for mafia is

nutella
muugen
sloonei

with jack floating in the radius around it but i havent made a decision to put him in the pool yet

[MacDougall]

I think it's Jack and Epi

[MacDougall]

All roads lead to Jack though.

[MacDougall]

I am going to do interaction analysis for Lunalee teammates now that I am at keyboard. I am gonna start with jack and then go from a to z after that.

[sprityo]

I am going to do interaction analysis for Lunalee teammates now that I am at keyboard. I am gonna start with jack and then go from a to z after that.

i look forward to this, as long as it wont take "5 minutes" like last time

[Epignosis]

I am going to do interaction analysis for Lunalee teammates now that I am at keyboard. I am gonna start with jack and then go from a to z after that.

I do not see how you know Lunalee was bad, so I don't see how such an analysis warrants attention.

Solve the first issue for me, and you solve the second.

[MacDougall]

I am going to do interaction analysis for Lunalee teammates now that I am at keyboard. I am gonna start with jack and then go from a to z after that.

I do not see how you know Lunalee was bad, so I don't see how such an analysis warrants attention.

Solve the first issue for me, and you solve the second.

Because I am the oracle and I targeted someone on the first night that was targeted (Nova) and had revealed to me that there was two Mafia remaining at the beginning of the night. The only person who was dead at that stage was Lunalee. Lunalee is Mafia.

The fact that I remain alive and you actually hadn't realised that I was the Oracle is kinda funny don't ya think?

[MacDougall]

There is zero doubt that Lunalee was Mafia. Zero. Utterly none. Unless you think I fake claimed. In which case I can't help dumb.

[sprityo]

i believe mac, i dont see a reason for him to fake claim, no one is gonna counterclaim him cause mafia aren't that ballsy

[sprityo]

between nutella, muugen, and sloonei there is little to nothing usable as far as game content so either they cough up something tangible or theyre getting chopped

[MacDougall]

Epi said he believed my claim wholeheartedly because Mafia don't have the balls and now he questions me. I don't know what to do with his contrarianism.

[Epignosis]

I am going to do interaction analysis for Lunalee teammates now that I am at keyboard. I am gonna start with jack and then go from a to z after that.

I do not see how you know Lunalee was bad, so I don't see how such an analysis warrants attention.

Solve the first issue for me, and you solve the second.

Because I am the oracle and I targeted someone on the first night that was targeted (Nova) and had revealed to me that there was two Mafia remaining at the beginning of the night. The only person who was dead at that stage was Lunalee. Lunalee is Mafia.

The fact that I remain alive and you actually hadn't realised that I was the Oracle is kinda funny don't ya think?

There's nothing funny about that at all. It's called "being disengaged."

[MacDougall]

Mentions of Jack by Lunalee

Quite a lot. Lunalee cast quite a lot of suspicion at Jack but it didn't amount to a genuine attempt to lynch him. She was talked off it by nutella.

But that makes it easier for the Witches to soup kill 'cause it narrows down heavily and they have access to the identity to night killed players as long as Necro is alive.

yeah, I would recommend no role claims by anyone ever. That soup thing could get messy quick.

Nah, nah. Every other person just lie about your roleclaim.

That might be good and all until an out-of-the-loop townie hops in and angrily counter-claims the fake role claim

NAI gametech waffle.

My "caught-up" opinions on everyone:

Spacedaisy - despite the "weird vibe" popular opinion on spacedaisy, I actually think she looks town. mechanics posts can be town, and I like that she wrote all that out while learning the roles (I will read it eventually, promise).
novaselinenever - I think nova is winning the "highest poster" award. His questions and interactions look town to me.
nutella - is trying to stay active (even while in Japan), and is voting me, so she's either town, or trying really hard to correct her scum meta of never suspecting me.
juliets - looks town (as always). She also paid a lot of attention to Daisy's "long" post, but I don't know if she actually read or responded to it.
Muriel - still absent?
jackofhearts2005 - is just casually throwing out opinions and suspects, but none of them feel serious yet.
sabie12 - looks like typical sabie, but also is "no u" voting suspecting mac
muugen - jumped in late and made a "catch-up" post which honestly just seems to parrot the opinions of the thread.
sprityo - is not quite ready to "supatown" or contribute too much yet.
Neverwhere - looks like they are struggling to find something to contribute while at the same time acknowledging they are not really contributing
Epignosis - lazy poster, and currently suspects juliets because she "looks like she did in Addams family mafia when she was scum"
Macdougall - in only three posts he both claims to not be a witch and know that nova is also not a witch, and shoo sabie off for questioning it.

Conclusion: [VOTE: lynch Macdougall] aubergine, [VOTE: Lunalee gets Butt Stallion!] aubergine (despite some of you looking town, I'd still rather have it)

Huge wall post of soul reads. Waffle on jack. Sort of hedging.

I’d lynch Luna, Juliets and maybe Sprityo.

That is, I have no real desire to lynch Mac.

playa salad!

Accuses Jack of playa salad with a jokey emoji. This does look genuinely accusatory.

Here's my top three folks I wouldn't mind lynching:
Mac
Jack of hearts
sprityo

Includes Jack in a list of three people she wouldn't mind lynching. Includes me. Both of us comprising her primary suspects. Sprityo is an interesting include for later.

Here's my top three folks I wouldn't mind lynching:
Mac
Jack of hearts
sprityo

Luna why Jack?

that player salad post

Here's my top three folks I wouldn't mind lynching:
Mac
Jack of hearts
sprityo

Luna why Jack?

that player salad post

Nooooppe nope nope. He made it so obviously a joke. That post singlehandedly convinced me he's town. Somehow you fell for the too-obvious bait. You so bad.

I thought he was being serious

Hmmmm. This side of the analysis makes Jack look pretty good in isolation. It sort of soured me on my Jack boner a bit.

Now to read Jack.

[Epignosis]

Epi said he believed my claim wholeheartedly because Mafia don't have the balls and now he questions me. I don't know what to do with his contrarianism.

There's nothing to do with it. It's there to be there.

[MacDougall]

I am going to do interaction analysis for Lunalee teammates now that I am at keyboard. I am gonna start with jack and then go from a to z after that.

I do not see how you know Lunalee was bad, so I don't see how such an analysis warrants attention.

Solve the first issue for me, and you solve the second.

Because I am the oracle and I targeted someone on the first night that was targeted (Nova) and had revealed to me that there was two Mafia remaining at the beginning of the night. The only person who was dead at that stage was Lunalee. Lunalee is Mafia.

The fact that I remain alive and you actually hadn't realised that I was the Oracle is kinda funny don't ya think?

There's nothing funny about that at all. It's called "being disengaged."

I've seen disengaged Epi. This doesn't feel like disengaged Epi. It feels like nefarious chaos posting Epi.

[MacDougall]

Jack re: Luna


This is the real source of my pain. Jack globbed on to me early in the day and never found his way off my wagon despite suspecting Luna (who also suspected him). Someone help me understand Jack. How does civilian Jack react to baseless and incorrect suspicion? Because here he is being pretty much ignorant of it. He ignored her and he's ignored me too. Is that civ Jack or mafia Jack?

I’d lynch Luna, Juliets and maybe Sprityo.

That is, I have no real desire to lynch Mac.

“Crap. I forgot to switch my vote and it’s after 6. Crap. I’m the deciding vote on a player I don’t suspect. Oh. Luna died anyway.”

Hope she was bad.

Those gifs are pretty good @speedchuck

The above post reads like someone with a guilty mind trying to control the narrative on himself.

The rest is just waffly back and forthing. To be honest the analysis makes me think he is town.

[nutella]

wait why are we not assuming epi is bad from that claim or was he just spouting shit for fun

[MacDougall]

Epi's interactions with Luna are definitely w/w I'd clear him.

[nutella]

is there something that messes up targets/role checks idk i'm so out of the loop

[Epignosis]

I am going to do interaction analysis for Lunalee teammates now that I am at keyboard. I am gonna start with jack and then go from a to z after that.

I do not see how you know Lunalee was bad, so I don't see how such an analysis warrants attention.

Solve the first issue for me, and you solve the second.

Because I am the oracle and I targeted someone on the first night that was targeted (Nova) and had revealed to me that there was two Mafia remaining at the beginning of the night. The only person who was dead at that stage was Lunalee. Lunalee is Mafia.

The fact that I remain alive and you actually hadn't realised that I was the Oracle is kinda funny don't ya think?

There's nothing funny about that at all. It's called "being disengaged."

I've seen disengaged Epi. This doesn't feel like disengaged Epi. It feels like nefarious chaos posting Epi.

There are no flips. This a mafia dream house. If I were bad, I'd have this thing won by now. I have nothing to do but play a guessing game. If you would like me to claim, I will, but I then that's two of us gone.

Please remind yourself that you couldn't figure me out if your life depended on it even if I gave you color by number instructions.

[MacDougall]

Linki: Lol shut up

wait why are we not assuming epi is bad from that claim or was he just spouting shit for fun

If anything fake claiming the way he has is something I expect more for a townie than a Mafia.

[nutella]

hmm ok

[MacDougall]

I think my POE is Sloonei and Muugen now that I've had a chance to read.

[MacDougall]

In a trustfall I could give everyone a civ clear in this game right now except those two.

[MacDougall]

Epignosis - Attacked Lunalee in a very civilian Epi way.

jackofhearts2005 - Mutual suspicion between he and Lunalee seemed non teammate indicative

Muriel/Sloonei - Swapped in late and so can be forgiven for not trying

muugen - Didn't realise the game started and appeared to give a genuine catch up post where he town read Nova and Juliet and shaded Spacedaisy, so has at least offered something rather than just not trying

Neverwhere - Appeared to show civilian doubt during the end of day one, switching off me to Lunalee (and I believe staying there)

nutella - Eviscerated Lunalee and day 1 and was the main driver of the Lunabus

sprityo - Seems to be genuinely trying to solve the game. Hasn't shown his Mafia underpants as Sprityo is want to do.

Spacedaisy - Has put in quite a lot of effort. Questioned Luna quite a bit.

I'd say that Muugen and Sloonei look the least civilian by some distance.

[Epignosis]

Consider yourself having two votes where you want them today, Mac.

[MacDougall]

You are voting for me though lol

[Epignosis]

You are voting for me though lol

Details, details.

Let me know where you want it.

[MacDougall]

Probably Sloonei

[Jackofhearts2005]

Someone tell me what’s a thing I should do.

Look at Nutella. I have no opinion on her and that's a problem.

nutella went pretty hard out at lunalee in a game where the expectation is that you aren't gonna get distancing cred. I think she is town.

Without confirming the details of this myself, this seems like a real solid theory.

[Epignosis]

Probably Sloonei

I'll move elsewhere if you need me to do so.

[Sloonei]

Probably Sloonei

Who would you go for after me?

[sprityo]

Probably Sloonei

Who would you go for after me?

Muugen:mafia:

[MacDougall]

Probably Sloonei

Who would you go for after me?

Muugen. Then if the game wasn't over I'd probably be looking at Spacedaisy or Neverwhere.

[Sloonei]

Probably Sloonei

Who would you go for after me?

Muugen. Then if the game wasn't over I'd probably be looking at Spacedaisy or Neverwhere.

Okay

[Epignosis]

Probably Sloonei

Who would you go for after me?

Muugen. Then if the game wasn't over I'd probably be looking at Spacedaisy or Neverwhere.

I have a slight preference for lynching Muugen first.

[MacDougall]

I do not really have preference between them aside from the fact that Sloonei scares me more

[Epignosis]

I'm going to bed, and you won't see me at all the rest of the day. I'll pop on to vote, but that is all I can do. I have my last rehearsal for concerts this week, and I'm blocked at work.

Make a good decision.

[Sloonei]

I do not really have preference between them aside from the fact that Sloonei scares me more

I’m barely even playing.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack re: Luna


This is the real source of my pain. Jack globbed on to me early in the day and never found his way off my wagon despite suspecting Luna (who also suspected him). Someone help me understand Jack. How does civilian Jack react to baseless and incorrect suspicion? Because here he is being pretty much ignorant of it. He ignored her and he's ignored me too. Is that civ Jack or mafia Jack?

I’d lynch Luna, Juliets and maybe Sprityo.

That is, I have no real desire to lynch Mac.

“Crap. I forgot to switch my vote and it’s after 6. Crap. I’m the deciding vote on a player I don’t suspect. Oh. Luna died anyway.”

Hope she was bad.

Those gifs are pretty good speedchuck

The above post reads like someone with a guilty mind trying to control the narrative on himself.

The rest is just waffly back and forthing. To be honest the analysis makes me think he is town.

The problem is you're basing suspicion on stuff that didn't happen.

I haven't ignored you at all. You've seen how I react to baseless suspicion from Luna. In Addams Family. Juliets gave me a hard time for letting Luna off the hook for it. I didn't suspect Luna for suspecting me (though in hindsight, her suspicions look fake). I suspected her for this.

But that makes it easier for the Witches to soup kill 'cause it narrows down heavily and they have access to the identity to night killed players as long as Necro is alive.

yeah, I would recommend no role claims by anyone ever. That soup thing could get messy quick.

Hi witch!

Ah, the old "let me give you some strategy, fellow townies" tell.

Legit from a man who kept forgetting to send in night actions last game, I don't wanna hear it about how I missed a deadline. It's not great play on my part but there's nothing nefarious about it because my vote wasn't enough to swing anything D1 or D2.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Epi - Other than fakeclaiming cop, I haven't seen a lot of town moves out of him. No real reason to suspect him besides POE.

Mac - I believe his claim. Town.

Sloonei - There's been a ping on his interactions with Mac but it's minor. Wasn't around while Luna was so hard to call them w/w or w/t.

Muugen - Not a fan of the way he nixed my plan RE:cops and oracles. Thought he was town for not reading how some power worked but everyone has disagreed with that so I guess that's kinda stupid. Also basically vetoing townreads? That's probably nai style since it's not a serious wolf strategy to come in and be like "no townreads allowed." Gth bad for shading me instead of doing anything. When I challenged Muugen on it, he just repeated the same thing without elaborating and that comes across fake.

Neverwhere - Town vibes.

Nutella - Sheeping Mac's townread atm.

Sprityo - Mac gave me a reason to townread him but I forgot what it was. Might have been him coming at Mac feeling genuine. Wasn't a fan of the way he said he'd supatown and didn't. Let's give him a light townread anyway.

Daisy - The thing I remember most about Daisy is her sticking up for me because of the pie/oracle plan (which Mac ignored anyway smh). This is a good read. Could be buddying me but why buddy someone you can just mislynch. Lord knows, people don't need well thought out cases to suspect me (*glares at the Addams Family town*) and there is a case here. It's wrong but it would be really easy for scum to get me lynched/let me be lynched and not even have the flip to make them look bad for it. Townlean.


So something like

Mac
Nutella
Daisy
Never
Sprityo
Epi
Sloonei
Mugen

[MacDougall]

If you want to put your Epi sus at rest go look at how savage he was to Lunalee

[Neverwhere]

Probably Sloonei

Who would you go for after me?

Muugen. Then if the game wasn't over I'd probably be looking at Spacedaisy or Neverwhere.

I just woke up, so will contribute later but

Why would I be next? You've consistently said through out the game you read me as town. You mentioned that I was one of the only ones who KEPT my vote on lunalee and tried to make sure I took care fo that because I believed she was a witch. It would have been easier for me to switch my vote to you to try to get a majority. ALSO in the jack vs. sabie vote I did the same as you, I reread Jacks posts and talked myself out of his guilt so switched my vote back to sabie. I don't see how you could be reading me as next in line for scum.

[MacDougall]

Probably Sloonei

Who would you go for after me?

Muugen. Then if the game wasn't over I'd probably be looking at Spacedaisy or Neverwhere.

I just woke up, so will contribute later but

Why would I be next? You've consistently said through out the game you read me as town. You mentioned that I was one of the only ones who KEPT my vote on lunalee and tried to make sure I took care fo that because I believed she was a witch. It would have been easier for me to switch my vote to you to try to get a majority. ALSO in the jack vs. sabie vote I did the same as you, I reread Jacks posts and talked myself out of his guilt so switched my vote back to sabie. I don't see how you could be reading me as next in line for scum.

Relax I don't think you are Mafia. I said I'd look at you if the game was still going and Muugen and Sloonei were dead.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: Muugen] aubergine

It’s annoying that we can’t get a tie and see who reacts where since we don’t have enough votes to put two candidates in lynch position unless basically everyone votes for one of them, at which point, everyone’s cards are down andvtheres no reaction to be had.

[Jackofhearts2005]

My first 200 games or whatever were maj (with manual vote tallies and none of the MU software I love). I don’t know how I handled it.

[sprityo]

interesting

[Jackofhearts2005]

interesting

What is interesting?