Vault Hunt [Game Over]

#1001

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:30 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:52 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:47 am Why would daisy get souped?
She’s claimed a targeting power.

Targeting powers are cop (claimed), oracle (claimed), vig (didn’t target), marter, clown. If either the marter or clown got nked and the mafia learned their role, then the mafia knows Daisy’s role. If not, they have a 50% guess.

So she’s in the same bucket you are. If she’s town, she dies tonight. If she’s not, she has explaining to do tomorrow.
She did?

No. I’m yanking your chain.

#1002

That’s a relief

#1003

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:52 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:47 am Why would daisy get souped?
She’s claimed a targeting power.

Targeting powers are cop (claimed), oracle (claimed), vig (didn’t target), marter, clown. If either the marter or clown got nked and the mafia learned their role, then the mafia knows Daisy’s role. If not, they have a 50% guess.

So she’s in the same bucket you are. If she’s town, she dies tonight. If she’s not, she has explaining to do tomorrow.

I read the roles and mechanics. Soup kills sure are interesting. Failed soup kills doubly so.

#1004

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:15 am He’s not confirming Epi by night target. If he said yesterday “My POE going into N2 is Epi, Daisy, Never” and then on D3 he said “I copped Epi, Daisy, Never town” then yeah, he’d have to be lying.

It’s possible we have a Luna/Muugen/Epi team.

It's possible there's an invisible homosexual dragon stealing your left socks from your laundry.

#1005

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:15 am He’s not confirming Epi by night target. If he said yesterday “My POE going into N2 is Epi, Daisy, Never” and then on D3 he said “I copped Epi, Daisy, Never town” then yeah, he’d have to be lying.

It’s possible we have a Luna/Muugen/Epi team.
It's possible there's an invisible homosexual dragon stealing your left socks from your laundry.

Imagine owning left socks and not ambidextrous socks

#1006

I haven't played many games here, but does this poll title hint that there is only one witch left? Or is this just worded that way because we can only lynch one player?

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1007

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:11 pm I haven't played many games here, but does this poll title hint that there is only one witch left? Or is this just worded that way because we can only lynch one player?

Hostslip!

#1008

Let's hope it's Jack...

#1009

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:11 pm I haven't played many games here, but does this poll title hint that there is only one witch left? Or is this just worded that way because we can only lynch one player?

The poll for every day has had a title pointed to a singular culprit. Your latter assumption is fine.

In short, this is all only flavor.

#1010

So it goes. Gl town.

#1011

First he tried to talk...

Then he tried to escape...

But it was no good. One last stand was all he could hope for.

And so it ended with

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GAME END

Town (Vault Hunters) Win!

Congrats to sprityo, nutella, Neverwhere, juliets, Macdougall, novaselinever, Sloonei, sabie12, Epignosis, and Spacedaisy!

Post game infodumps, topics, and analysis coming.

#1012

Hurrah

#1013

I did not think town could win so convincingly in a game without role reveals. Nice.

#1014

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:21 pm I did not think town could win so convincingly in a game without role reveals. Nice.

I think this is maybe my third proper game of mafia. The no flips was definitely trickier.

#1015

Observerchat: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/6kdEhEM7Z6H
Deadchat: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/R55PGatY8WG
Mafia Chat 1: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/tvWLtbwvDUcyN
Mafia Chat 2: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/YLA48AYLPev
Mafia Chat 3: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/nQTFZEPhBKhu

Roles:

sprityo - 1 Priest
nutella - 2 Acolyte
Neverwhere - 3 Judge
juliets - 4 Vigilante
Macdougall - 5 Oracle
novaselinever - 6 Martyr
Sloonei - 7 Leeroy
sabie12 - 8 Pope
Epignosis - 9 D.O.B.
Spacedaisy - 10 Clown

Lunalee - 11 Demon
jackofhearts2003 - 12 Occultist
muugen - 13 Necromancer

(I did not purposefully put JackofHearts2005 in as Handsome Jack)

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Actions:

DAY ONE

Nutella was told that Sprityo is the Priest
Lunalee (scum) was killed by the Judge
Novaselinever was given Butt Stallion

NIGHT ONE

Angels protected no one.
Mafia sent a faction kill at Juliets
Nova the Martyr was informed that Juliets would die, and he ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN THE FIEND
Sprityo the Priest checked Novaselinenever, was told that Nova is town
Mac the Oracle checked Novaselinenever, learned that there were two scum alive at the start of the night
Spacedaisy the Clown tossed a pie at Epignosis the D.O.B, Epi was informed that a pie hit him
Angels were informed of Nova's alignment, Town
Mafia were informed that the Angels protected nobody, and that Juliets was the Vigilante.

DAY TWO

Sabie (Pope) was lynched

NIGHT TWO

Angels protected Macdougall.
Mafia sent a faction kill at Nova.
Sprityo the Priest checked Spacedaisy, was told that she is town.
Mac the Oracle checked Novaselinenever, learned that there were two scum alive at the start of the night.
Spacedaisy the Clown tossed a pie at Nova the Martyr, Nova was informed that a pie hit him
Angels were informed of Spacedaisy's alignment, Town.
Mafia were informed that the Angels protected Macdougall, and that Nova was the Martyr.

DAY THREE

SLOONEI THE LEEROY KILLED HIMSELF TO LYNCH MUUGEN THE WILHELM

NIGHT THREE

Angels protected nutella.
Mafia sent a faction kill at nutella.
Sprityo the Priest checked Neverwhere, was told that she is town.
Mac the Oracle checked Spacedaisy, learned nothing.
Spacedaisy the Clown tossed a pie at Nutella the Acolyte, Nutella was informed that a pie hit her
Angels were informed of Neverwhere's alignment, Town.
Mafia were informed that the Angels protected nutella.

DAY FOUR

Jackofhearts2005 (scum) was lynched

I think that's it, and I think I ACTUALLY ran this setup without any mistakes! Wow!

#1016

What a butt whupping.

#1017

Quick analysis notes to start off because I'm low on time:

Day one lynch is really bad for mafia. Day one judgekill is even worse.
This is a very swing-y game. If Jack had managed to kill nutella and managed one more day he probably could have soupkilled to victory.
The wrong roles made it to endgame. Even deadchat was convinced that scum was Sprit or Jack. But Jack couldn't counterclaim with nutella alive, and didn't gamble it.
Town did some gambling as well. If there were two scum left on the last day, the claims would have sunk the game entirely.
Leeroy and Judge are two roles that can cause more harm than good. In this game they were incredibly pro-town.

Alas, Epi never managed to get his revenge-kill off, despite taunting the entire thread all game.

Just some random thoughts. Well played to all, regardless. Game was closer than it looked.

Did any of you enjoy the game?

#1018

Thanks for a good game [mention]speedchuck[/mention]

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1019

Nice nice!!

#1020

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:29 pm Quick analysis notes to start off because I'm low on time:

Day one lynch is really bad for mafia. Day one judgekill is even worse.
This is a very swing-y game. If Jack had managed to kill nutella and managed one more day he probably could have soupkilled to victory.
The wrong roles made it to endgame. Even deadchat was convinced that scum was Sprit or Jack. But Jack couldn't counterclaim with nutella alive, and didn't gamble it.
Town did some gambling as well. If there were two scum left on the last day, the claims would have sunk the game entirely.
Leeroy and Judge are two roles that can cause more harm than good. In this game they were incredibly pro-town.

Alas, Epi never managed to get his revenge-kill off, despite taunting the entire thread all game.

Just some random thoughts. Well played to all, regardless. Game was closer than it looked.

Did any of you enjoy the game?

Is this something epi does regularly? He had me totally thrown. I didn't get it.

#1021

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:35 pm Is this something epi does regularly? He had me totally thrown. I didn't get it.

Pretty sure he was just having fun and trolling the mafia team to make it harder for them to suss out roles.

#1022

Epi doesn’t do anything regularly.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1023

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:36 pm Epi doesn’t do anything regularly.

Inb4 poop joakz

#1024

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:21 pm I did not think town could win so convincingly in a game without role reveals. Nice.

This was an excellent civ showing!

#1025

I feel pretty happy with my gut reads of Luna and Muugen, but Jack woulda had me fooled if not for Mac and Sprityo.

#1026

I think the setup was townsided. Change my mind.

1) The town has an unmisdirectable, unblockable and above all unkillable doc who had the benefit of the net knowledge of all dead players. They know if scum fakeclaims a janitor role and will rarely protect a deepwolf. They get potential Leroy, acolyte, oracle and cop knowledge. Soupkill is the only answer the mafia has to this and it only works if the player the mafia wants gone has claimed.

2) The town had 4 killing roles, one of which can kill after death. The mafia has no vests, doctor, redirect or block to deal with these abilities.

3) The town has two roles that can confirm several players (cop and pope) and a player. The mafia has no cloak or redirect and the town has no millers or insane info gatherers. The existence of the acolyte meant the mafia will very rarely be able to claim cop so the cop’s word is basically impossible to fight.

4) The mafia’s main advantage is a lack of flips. However, the oracle and clown combo and vigilante basically remove this advantage altogether. Even if the vig and oracle go down early, the cop or the muse can provide “flips.”

That all said, the town absolutely outplayed the mafia and earned the win. The town made several good plays. The scum made several mistakes.

Also, I like soup combined with scum janitored kills as a mechanic because it encourages less than one townie to claim at a time and prevents the cop+doc combo.

#1027

You can see it in the dead chat but for those who don't read it nova was the one who had the rationale for protecting nutella and Sloonei and I agreed with his analysis so yay for nova, leader alive and leader in death. I thought sprityo was bad right up until he said he checked nova night 1 - we knew that had happened because we got the priest results. Good job townies going after Jack!

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1028

I think you still could have come back with a soup kill if like anything had gone differently (esp if I had died). It's a good way to balance imo, you're right that the town was pretty strong but the soupkill and lack of flips are strong points in the mafia's favor as well. If the town had been less careful with avoiding too many claims you would have had a decent chance but we were pretty strategic about that (lol at epi. And daisy. And I tried not to show I knew sprityo was town though I did say I trusted him)

#1029

i think the town got lucky is all lol

it happens

also i thought epi was the acolyte basically the whole game lol

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #1030

Also yeah nova town mvp second game in a row

#1031

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:48 pm I think the setup was townsided. Change my mind.

1) The town has an unmisdirectable, unblockable and above all unkillable doc who had the benefit of the net knowledge of all dead players. They know if scum fakeclaims a janitor role and will rarely protect a deepwolf. They get potential Leroy, acolyte, oracle and cop knowledge. Soupkill is the only answer the mafia has to this and it only works if the player the mafia wants gone has claimed.

2) The town had 4 killing roles, one of which can kill after death. The mafia has no vests, doctor, redirect or block to deal with these abilities.

3) The town has two roles that can confirm several players (cop and pope) and a player. The mafia has no cloak or redirect and the town has no millers or insane info gatherers. The existence of the acolyte meant the mafia will very rarely be able to claim cop so the cop’s word is basically impossible to fight.

4) The mafia’s main advantage is a lack of flips. However, the oracle and clown combo and vigilante basically remove this advantage altogether. Even if the vig and oracle go down early, the cop or the muse can provide “flips.”

That all said, the town absolutely outplayed the mafia and earned the win. The town made several good plays. The scum made several mistakes.

Also, I like soup combined with scum janitored kills as a mechanic because it encourages less than one townie to claim at a time and prevents the cop+doc combo.

Dead Mafia can block the angel protect once per game. Angel's do not block soupkill. Angel protect stops working once the game gets too small.

If you hadn't lost a scum to judge d1, Oracle and priest would have been feeding you info about the checks they were doing, negating some of that stuff.

Soupkill and witches curse were never used this game. Soupkill could be used every single night if you have any knowledge to nullify angel protect.

I have seen town do this before. I have also seen town kill themselves with a vig/dob combo and get souped to nothing on d3, with all three scum still alive

The setup might be slightly town sided, but it is more swingy than anything. The d1 scum death really started that swing.

And jack, you were one day away from winning. Might have if your dead teammates had blocked the night 3 angels.

#1032

#1033

Enjoyed the game a lot speed, loved having a dead chat that actually had a role.

#1034

Hey [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] why did you guys kill me the first night? I had intentionally not talked about who I suspected.

#1035

I’ve gotta give Mac credit as well. I realized I wasn’t gonna be able to get really into this game, so my strategy was just “do what Mac says” because he seemed to have a grip on things. I took muugen down with me 100% because Mac said to.

#1036

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:48 pm I think the setup was townsided. Change my mind.

1) The town has an unmisdirectable, unblockable and above all unkillable doc who had the benefit of the net knowledge of all dead players. They know if scum fakeclaims a janitor role and will rarely protect a deepwolf. They get potential Leroy, acolyte, oracle and cop knowledge. Soupkill is the only answer the mafia has to this and it only works if the player the mafia wants gone has claimed.

2) The town had 4 killing roles, one of which can kill after death. The mafia has no vests, doctor, redirect or block to deal with these abilities.

3) The town has two roles that can confirm several players (cop and pope) and a player. The mafia has no cloak or redirect and the town has no millers or insane info gatherers. The existence of the acolyte meant the mafia will very rarely be able to claim cop so the cop’s word is basically impossible to fight.

4) The mafia’s main advantage is a lack of flips. However, the oracle and clown combo and vigilante basically remove this advantage altogether. Even if the vig and oracle go down early, the cop or the muse can provide “flips.”

That all said, the town absolutely outplayed the mafia and earned the win. The town made several good plays. The scum made several mistakes.

Also, I like soup combined with scum janitored kills as a mechanic because it encourages less than one townie to claim at a time and prevents the cop+doc combo.
Dead Mafia can block the angel protect once per game. Angel's do not block soupkill. Angel protect stops working once the game gets too small.

If you hadn't lost a scum to judge d1, Oracle and priest would have been feeding you info about the checks they were doing, negating some of that stuff.

Soupkill and witches curse were never used this game. Soupkill could be used every single night if you have any knowledge to nullify angel protect.

I have seen town do this before. I have also seen town kill themselves with a vig/dob combo and get souped to nothing on d3, with all three scum still alive

The setup might be slightly town sided, but it is more swingy than anything. The d1 scum death really started that swing.

And jack, you were one day away from winning. Might have if your dead teammates had blocked the night 3 angels.

Fair point on the angel block. But the mafia can’t coordinate with it. A one time strongman would be more balanced.

True. Learning who the cop targeted (which we wouldn’t have learned straight up anyway) doesn’t counter the cop. If we lose that role early, it strengthens the cop and if the cop goes early, it makes the scum player vanilla. Plus it does nothing to stop the muse. I like the concept of a wolf that learns what certain town roles target. Might use that type of role in one of my games.

Unless I misunderstand soupkill, it could only be used on Mac N2. I could have maybe guessed Epi’s role. With only 3 scum, betting one to try to get an extra kill is just too risky. I like the effect of it but it absolutely isn’t a counter to several town kills. Yeah, sometimes townies are stupid and kill themselves on anticlaim but that isn’t because the scumteam has power. If town loses because they didn’t read the rules or made bad gambits, I don’t think that says anything about balance.

#1037

Good job guys!

#1038

I can't read you for shit Sprit lol

#1039

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:11 pm Hey Jackofhearts2005 why did you guys kill me the first night? I had intentionally not talked about who I suspected.

Idk. Muugen was worried about you and overwrote my kill. That’s one of the mistakes I was talking about. Not necessarily killing you but not being on the same page at all.

Muugen was suspect largely for making a bad case ON ME while I said I didn’t suspect him. If we had a plan, maybe that doesn’t happen. But we didn’t and that’s part of why I think the town earned the win, balance aside.

#1040

Part of why I didn’t feel that close to winning was because if anybody went back and looked, I think I was obviously teamed with Muugen based on our interactions. Especially next to my interactions with Luna.

#1041

Sloonei’s kill and Mac advising it was good play. Sprityo’s targeting was good play, as were his instincts on Epi. The judge shot on Luna was good play.

Flavor was awesome and made me way to play Borderlands. Roles were fun. Thanks for hosting, Speed.

#1042

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:47 pm Sloonei’s kill and Mac advising it was good play. Sprityo’s targeting was good play, as were his instincts on Epi. The judge shot on Luna was good play.

Flavor was awesome and made me way to play Borderlands. Roles were fun. Thanks for hosting, Speed.

Thanks for playing!

#1043

So Speedchuck really did give Jack the Handsome Jack role. Like come the fuck on.

#1044

So that's like several civilian wins in a row btw. The era of Mafia dominance is over.

#1045

2019 leaderboard is now Mac 7, Nova 6 and Speedchuck/Nutella 5.

Let's go [mention]novaselinenever[/mention]. Bring it on fiend.

#1046

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:31 pm So Speedchuck really did give Jack the Handsome Jack role. Like come the fuck on.

It was random. Shaddup.

#1047

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:33 pm So that's like several civilian wins in a row btw. The era of Mafia dominance is over.

Led by Mac and Nova

#1048

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:35 pm 2019 leaderboard is now Mac 7, Nova 6 and Speedchuck/Nutella 5.

Let's go @novaselinenever. Bring it on fiend.

That's why I wanted you to be a Witch this game

#1049

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:38 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:35 pm 2019 leaderboard is now Mac 7, Nova 6 and Speedchuck/Nutella 5.

Let's go @novaselinenever. Bring it on fiend.
That's why I wanted you to be a Witch this game

I have played with you so much now I can seemingly tell when you are a civ based on your first post.

#1050

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:17 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:40 pm I hope Mac is a witch this game.
Sadly I am not. Fortunately neither are you.

Lol

How would you rate this game?