JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:05 pm
I am now convinced that everyone is fucking with me and the objective is to drive me nuts.
I think it's more that I'm doing this and everyone's inner pedant has to agree because I'm right.
I, for one, think I'd feel a lot better about this whole mess if you took every townread on your list and summarized the strongest reason you have to eliminate townread them. Because right now it feels like that reason is "They've been making a lot of posts in this game and haven't pinged me" based on the POE list.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:05 pm
I am now convinced that everyone is fucking with me and the objective is to drive me nuts.
I think it's more that I'm doing this and everyone's inner pedant has to agree because I'm right.
I, for one, think I'd feel a lot better about this whole mess if you took every townread on your list and summarized the strongest reason you have to eliminate townread them. Because right now it feels like that reason is "They've been making a lot of posts in this game and haven't pinged me" based on the POE list.
Oh no, not operation trustfall too.
Ooh, what's wrong with this one?
If JJJ is going to stick with this thing, I'd at least like to know know why he townreads people. Just the townreads. I don't need him to trustfall me.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:46 pm
That was a lovely summary, Jay
I'd like to hear more from you. I always think you are civ b/c of your tone, but I am starting to wonder here. Who do you think is bad? What are your thoughts on the game so far?
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:55 pm
Wait what.. When did Niju actually vote for Nutella? If Mac had a few more votes, than what are we even talking about?
RIGHT. Niju couldn't have saved Mac with her vote and it's not like she tried to get others to swith off mac and vote with her. She was just being a lazy civ imo.
posting now...still catching up...
Banners are cool, but a pain to scroll through so...
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Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:46 pm
That was a lovely summary, Jay
I'd like to hear more from you. I always think you are civ b/c of your tone, but I am starting to wonder here. Who do you think is bad? What are your thoughts on the game so far?
I'm not really as focused on the game as I should be to throw out a POE for you. I'll get to it soon though.
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:55 pm
Wait what.. When did Niju actually vote for Nutella? If Mac had a few more votes, than what are we even talking about?
RIGHT. Niju couldn't have saved Mac with her vote and it's not like she tried to get others to swith off mac and vote with her. She was just being a lazy civ imo.
Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 12:46 pm
That was a lovely summary, Jay
I'd like to hear more from you. I always think you are civ b/c of your tone, but I am starting to wonder here. Who do you think is bad? What are your thoughts on the game so far?
I'm not really as focused on the game as I should be to throw out a POE for you. I'll get to it soon though.
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:55 pm
Wait what.. When did Niju actually vote for Nutella? If Mac had a few more votes, than what are we even talking about?
RIGHT. Niju couldn't have saved Mac with her vote and it's not like she tried to get others to swith off mac and vote with her. She was just being a lazy civ imo.
look at nova, ddl, speedchuck, elohcin, lunalee and kites from the alive and kicking team. top three would be nova, ddl, and kites as of tonight.
look at niju, leetic, long con and neverwhere from the here but not here team but don't focus on these guys. the scum team can have at least 3 more and possibly 4 more. there's no way they're all inactives. from these 4, unpopular opinion but i'd start with leetic tbh. gut thing. hey, i did get it right last game he was bad.
as of tonight, i feel best about nutella, juliets, daisy, jack, matahari and reluctantly jay.
i feel like reywas should be modkilled if not replaced d2 so we don't waste time thinking about him. i might even include neverwhere there (sorry ily). trim the fat so we don't waste our poes on people with a couple of posts or waste our days lynching people we have 0 info to gleam from them beyond what mafia trails leave behind.
good luck in case i die. don't let the momentum slow down. and please don't stop asking questions or afraid of going against the flow if you feel like the flow ain't going the right way.
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:45 pm
Elohcin, i don't know any of your scum reads. change that.
i dont have time to go through the rest of ddl, but i have no idea how jay put him in dark green. he's not clear for me.
this post is for Jay too as I told him I would tell him...
I know I fought for her in the beginning, but Luna has become one of my top suspects. She isn't acting like her civ self. Also, Kites. I don't know this person well, but his posts seem odd. Then there is Mata. I think this person could be bad. The whole building connections thing but will not tell us, that was weird. His "helpfulness" doesn't seem so helpful.
Banners are cool, but a pain to scroll through so...
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nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:10 pm
I'm curious what you think Luna's civ self should look like and what you saw that made you change your mind on her. Elohcin
Luna always has such a sweet demeanor, very kind tone. And I feel like I always give her the benefit of the doubt for this. But this time....she is almost too sweet. Like....trying to cover up something.
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:12 pm
Elohcin could you be more specific on what looks odd about kites posts? I'm taking another look at him now.
I see an immaturity in his posts. Like he is trying to make it LOOK like he is trying.
Banners are cool, but a pain to scroll through so...
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:13 am
I do think nova is a civ tho.
DDL, do you still feel this way? And what was the reason for you saying that way back then?
I think calling for back to back nights is a sign of fear from a mafia that has lost one and feels like another is going down soon. What I think could be wrong, but I think it anyway.
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:12 pm
Elohcin could you be more specific on what looks odd about kites posts? I'm taking another look at him now.
I see an immaturity in his posts. Like he is trying to make it LOOK like he is trying.
immature? sure, I agree. I am also trying... to keep up with this game, to be at least somewhat useful. It’s a struggle every game
my Mac vote looks bad now I guess. i just followed the events because I wasn’t sure about nutella and I didn’t like lynching Mac because he wasn’t here. I did some reading and the part where he said my big post was ”gold” felt incredibly fake. I admit the big post was kind of half assed collection of thoughts, I just skimmed the posts real quick. i didn’t the feel the post was particularly good so that strong positive reaction to it felt weird, enough to choose him over nutella. And yes I could have chosen someone else aside from these two but I didn’t feel there was time for that
Neverwhere wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:54 am
Happy Easter! Looking forward to playing with you all.
Neverwhere wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:03 am
It seems I am unable to post in the poll.
Neverwhere's first two posts are a bit stiff.
Neverwhere wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:30 amSorry, starting a game Easter weekend was never going to go well for me. I've not been home for like 2 days. Finally got time to catch up and theres 15 pages D: I got through four before realising I was going to be late for physio. I'll be back this afternoon to try and contribute/catch up properly. Apologies all!
I can't blame 'em for struggling to keep up. Arriving to a game like this after it has already exploded is a daunting thing. The remorse at least looks authentic, though I can't say that's something alignment-specific.
And there's double that now... *sobs*
Shit mah dudes, sorry, last week of easter break for the kiddo and we're barely home right now. Catching up now.
Okay I read like 6 pages and Its after midnight. I'm not going to be reading much further back because realistically I don't think I'll have time if I want to keep on top of new content.
JJJ reading greenish
Dunya I'm reading green
I'm not sure I understand elohs upset, so that gives me pause.
I want to go back and do some proper readings tomorrow on DDL and Njk...however you spell that one. I saw the two of them mentioned multiple times and want my own opinions.
I don't understand JJJs jump on me at the end of day 1. Out of all the inactives picking me seemed random as heck.
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Neverwhere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:10 pm
Okay I read like 6 pages and Its after midnight. I'm not going to be reading much further back because realistically I don't think I'll have time if I want to keep on top of new content.
I provided a run-down of the game for leetic, so you might as well use it too if you want to.
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:09 pm
I'm like 10 pages behind, not sure when I'll catch up since this week's pretty busy. Strongly considering skipping all post-Mac lynch content.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:10 am
Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.
Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?
What is this, a job interview?
I don't have to accomplish shit.
This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.
Looping back around on this one I questioned before, I got the distinctly opposite impression from reading that DDL post. It's exactly how I would have felt. Don't like that we're not on the same page in this game Jack. My face has scrunched up in confusion from several of your posts.
Mac brought this out again. He's clearly shading Jack. It isn't substantial pressure. I'm not moved.
Mac sticks Jack in the red pile in his rainbow -- this seems extreme given the soft accusations preceding it. I think Mac felt like he needed another red and just figured Jack was the best fit. That's decent for Jack. Mac griped about anime gifs too as if that matters.
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 pm
Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?
Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?
OOOOooof sPiCy
Any major dude will tell you
Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?
I mean if Juliets knows one of them will win, she knows Mac and Nova aren’t the same alignment. That would make her mafia and since the accusation comes from Nova, Mac mafia as well.
Saying Mac and Juliets have w/w equity right out of the gate is pretty spicy imo.
Jack thinks juliets/Mac is spicy but doesn't necessarily agree with it.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:31 pm
We weren’t talking about Juliets. We were talking about Nutella’s reaction to Nova talking about Juliets.
I'm talking about how other people view a dialogue, not its literal nature. There's often a stark difference.
And I’m talking about Daisy being sensitive to discussion about Juliets to the point where she’s scumreading stuff that isn’t even about Juliets, stuff that is explicitly as much about Mac and she didn’t even mention Mac.
Jack is cranky that Spacedaisy didn't mention Mac and ties that into his theory about her and juliets. I think Mac is an incidental piece here and not meaningful. There's a bunch of other shit about this that I am not going to include.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:10 am
Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.
Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?
What is this, a job interview?
I don't have to accomplish shit.
This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.
Looping back around on this one I questioned before, I got the distinctly opposite impression from reading that DDL post. It's exactly how I would have felt. Don't like that we're not on the same page in this game Jack. My face has scrunched up in confusion from several of your posts.
If it makes you feel better, I’ve liked most of DDL’s posts since then.
Jack's response to Mac's gripe was weak, so it's a soft exchange on both sides. That's not my favorite thing. More
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:30 am[VOTE:
MacDougall] aubergine
why would town mac give dunya an easy day green pass just because she hasn't said something "scummy"? other people have found things scummy in what i've said. i don't feel you're being genuine and the sarcasm on me was lost.
i'm not even here to play my hardest civ game, so don't tell me my "civ" is shining through. explain what gave you good vibes about me or this becomes as bad as elohcin's "green" to luna that everyone took issue with imo.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:18 pm
The reason I ask is this:
When there is a highly active Day 1, and a variety of reads/wagons/initiatives are revolving around the discussion without a good inspiration for confidence (I think we're close to that now), lynching a less-active player is usually a good idea. As it stands my strongest suspicion is on MacDougall. I acknowledge that it isn't rock solid shite, but I haven't seen a single rock solid case in this thread yet. Refer to the last 25% of the video in my signature for more information.
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:25 pm
I have not felt Mac was bad. Like at all. I’d be more inclined to vote nutella, but I don’t see good reason for that either except for jumping on nova’s joke which I didn’t think she was serious about originally.
*scribbles aggressively*
This might be a nice moment. I don't care much that Jack challenged Daisy to vote Mac specifically, but rather that it seems to me that Jack's focus genuinely is on Daisy -- this would indicate he isn't as concerned with Mac's demise as he is with Daisy's activity (not the case if he's Mac's teammate).
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:43 pm
Last chance for me: who will vote Neverwhere?
Over Mac and Nutella? Yeah.
I don't really care that Jack moved his vote with me here. It was never likely to result in a lynch; it was a last-second why-not thing.
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Conclusion: It's a dirty record at times with Jack. It seems like it always is. He plays in a manner which inherently attracts dirt, to his credit. He should answer to the gripes that exist here. Gun to my head, he's not Mac's teammate.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:42 pmMacDougall and juliets
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:44 am
I like juliets. I feel like she is involved more so than usual. I am not entirely sure why that would be but I don't think it is in a bad way and I don't really want to discourage it. I'd give her a light green skittle (if I had skittles to give).
This read was more transparently fake, because it was based on a non-existent observation -- that juliets was "more involved than usual". I think Mac had established an agenda for pocketing in this game, so this could be another example. I can't say I care for the overt fakeness though.
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 pm
Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:27 pm
Jay, what is the reason you think Mac hasn't given a definitive read on you? I'm trying to see how that makes him potentially bad.
lots of linki
juliets sought better understanding of my suspicion of Mac. I have no beef with that.
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:42 pm
What isn't genuine about his civilian reads? The DDL one was something prompted from their interactions, and felt like natural conversation especially considering its context (The Firefly game).
He wrote a novella to explain why he read DDL as a civilian. I don't believe that was necessary, and I don't believe that's how MacDougall operates. He was similar in his handling of dunya. He technically called me light green, but I haven't the faintest idea why -- his read on me doesn't exist. He said he liked juliets because she is "more involved than usual" (no she isn't?). He loved Kites for his big reads post, which is such an easy thing to say.
Bleh.
Ok here's what I see. I initially liked his posts about DDL and I really liked his reads wall (even tho I didn't agree with everything) because he was explaining why he had the reads he did. Looking back over it though what strikes me is he never does this. He usually just throws out reads with no backup whatsoever and when people question him he ignores it or responds negatively. But is this indicative of a bad Mac or just a style change? I need to look at a bad Mac game, anyone know a recent one?
lots of linki
This post follows a rather typical formula that is sometimes ugly:
I liked _____ before, but now I will say something in support of your suspicion of _____
At face value I don't care for that. I do appreciate though that juliets's gripe was unique to her: that Mac's reads list was plain off-meta regardless of authenticity.
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Conclusion: I think a case can be made against juliets. I don't really want to though. I don't struggle to separate her from Mac and the claim remains (I believe her).
So does Jack have a big enough ego to post his team out in the open to laugh away the WIFOM, or does Jack try to plant a seed for deception with an attempt to drag down two well-regarded non-baddies? 'Cuz Juliets/Jay/Jack/Mac looks believable based on my initial musings, but what would further research show? Did JJJ trigger juliets' stump claim? If so, was that part of a cool plan?
Hopefully after tonight I'll glean more from a nice reread.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:13 am
I do think nova is a civ tho.
DDL, do you still feel this way? And what was the reason for you saying that way back then?
I think calling for back to back nights is a sign of fear from a mafia that has lost one and feels like another is going down soon. What I think could be wrong, but I think it anyway.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:13 am
I do think nova is a civ tho.
DDL, do you still feel this way? And what was the reason for you saying that way back then?
I think calling for back to back nights is a sign of fear from a mafia that has lost one and feels like another is going down soon. What I think could be wrong, but I think it anyway.
What prompted you to quote this post?
Because I wonder why he said that, so early in the game. Was he just shooting the shit to kill time, was he familiar with your play style, was he trying to sound town? I just wonder why someone would say that without saying why. If he was serious, it seems bogus on his part.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:13 am
I do think nova is a civ tho.
DDL, do you still feel this way? And what was the reason for you saying that way back then?
I think calling for back to back nights is a sign of fear from a mafia that has lost one and feels like another is going down soon. What I think could be wrong, but I think it anyway.
What prompted you to quote this post?
Because I wonder why he said that, so early in the game. Was he just shooting the shit to kill time, was he familiar with your play style, was he trying to sound town? I just wonder why someone would say that without saying why. If he was serious, it seems bogus on his part.
[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] Occam’s razor list:
Luna, Niju, Elohcin.
I am trying to reread most everyone so I might come up with different suspects by tomorrow afternoon.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:44 pm
I've seen fake character claims. I don't remember any fake role claims. If it happened in Fire Emblem I have no memory.
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