Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have felt like I can follow the thread of Matahari's methods and reasoning regardless of agreement or non. That's a nice thing. If I am not dead I'll look deeper into her posts later.

[novaselinenever]

disappointed*

[Matahari]

gossip girl was fast enough for someone who retired from mafia five years earlier! But I loved it because it was perfect for helping me to get my feet wet.

Someone talk to me about Matahari

Struggling to keep pace with the game, but seems authentic when she is making posts. Do you have beefs?

This is mostly correct. These ppl fly on here, and I don’t know everyone’s meta? Play style is what I’d call it. So I have to read and reread and cross reference a lot.

do you prefer this pace or gossip girl pace?

[Epignosis]

Donald Fagen and Walter Becker looked at no one in particular.

It wasn't very hard to do.

No one has been cut.

It is now Day 3. You have 24 hours to remove someone from the set list.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Yay I guess. But I'm still freaking here.

[dunya]

damn it. i'm still alive.

[Matahari]

Someone talk to me about Matahari

Struggling to keep pace with the game, but seems authentic when she is making posts. Do you have beefs?

This is mostly correct. These ppl fly on here, and I don’t know everyone’s meta? Play style is what I’d call it. So I have to read and reread and cross reference a lot.

I checked up on your Gossip Girl game and I think I remember you kind of being disappointing with the activity, and reminiscing of times past where people a lot. Isn't this a game's activity that should suit you?

Where people do what a lot? I think you dropped a word.

[juliets]

Jack/Nova Interaction Analysis

I am not Jay so this isn't his level of interaction analysis but it's more than we had before. My read is below each spoiler.

Spoiler: show

Speed is bad. No doubt about that in my mind.

Regardless of alignment.

First interaction that I see and it's one of Jack's jokes. Meh, no read here for me.

Spoiler: show

I call bullshit Nutella.

Now this is spicier.

Another Jack comment on nova but it's basically still a joke. Meh again.

Spoiler: show

I call bullshit Nutella.

Now this is spicier.

@novaselinenever

Elaborate.

no

A back and forth here that could be distancing or could be nova just irritated at Jack though I didn't see a reason for that to be true.

Spoiler: show

Jack, give me a rainbow

Jack
Speed
Nova
Nutella
Dunya
Jay
DDL
Juliets
Daisy

Everyone else is meh.

Did Nova set Jack up to post a rainbow where nova is good? I guess it's possible but it seems to me to be stretching it to think thats what happened.

Spoiler: show

Jack, give me a rainbow

Jack
Speed
Nova
Nutella
Dunya
Jay
DDL
Juliets
Daisy

Everyone else is meh.

I see some development there. What made you navigate through the whole Daisy/Juliets thingy to reach a double civ?

Anyone worse than meh?

Turn you computer upsidedown. I scumread Juliets and Daisy.

This sequence does not look like nova and Jack are teammates. What would be the mafia point in nova misreading Jack's list?

Spoiler: show

Jack, give me a rainbow

Jack
Speed
Nova
Nutella
Dunya
Jay
DDL
Juliets
Daisy

Everyone else is meh.

I see some development there. What made you navigate through the whole Daisy/Juliets thingy to reach a double civ?

Anyone worse than meh?

Turn you computer upsidedown. I scumread Juliets and Daisy.

Can a brother get some colors with a rainbow

And nova's reply does not make me think teammates either.

Spoiler: show

I don’t care about her read on me, which she riscended anyway. It doesn’t enter into my read.

Why is she defending Juliets and not Mac if between them, she suspects Juliets?

Jackofhearts2005 read below. she's already said you're not all mafia together. you're a bigger scum read to her than juliets. if you're bad, juliets probably isn't. where's the issue in defending juliets against you?

Current gut read after having caught up

Jack - bad
Jay - bad
Dunya - Town
Luna - Town
Mata - Town
Nova - Town
Juliets - slight bad lean
Speed - Town
Nutella - rude

Everyone else is null.

Shockedpikachu.jpg

Why are Jay, Jack and maybe Juliets bad?

Is it because our names start with the letter J?

I don’t think you all are together. I think one or two of you are but I’m not sure which ones.

Juliets I don’t feel the normal confused/trying to understand vibe I get from her posts. She seems more confident in her reads than I expect from civ Juliets.

Jay, it’s in the way he has responded to dunya. She pressed to understand why two things read differently because she didn’t see a difference. A valid question imo. His response was , she should know me better than that. An implicationhe thinks she is bad. Then a short time later he calls her good, I don’t see a natural evolution of opinion in there. It looks bad to me.

Jack, you pushed Juliets for her joke questions about Mac/nova. I’ve only played two game series this year and even I knew what she was talking about. You presented it in a manner as if she only asked the questions as if she already knew they were on different teams, but that was t an accurate representation. Looks bad to me.

You think Jay and Jack could be bad together?? Or are they completely separate suspicions without teammate compatibility taken into account bc I would be very surprised.

See the glory of the royal scam

I trend towards if Jack is bad the other two probably are not. Jay could be a teammate withhjuliets, but I wouldn’t say that is a sure thing if one of them is bad they both are. It’s possible, but I’m just spitting out my gut readability independent of each other right now. I don’t believe all three are bad together, no.

How did she defend Juliets? I might have missed that.

Linki - Dunya is bad.

By uh...scumreading me.

For pushing Juliets. That’s the important part.

I don't think a teammate asks Jack this question about Daisy defending me.

Spoiler: show

I don’t care about her read on me, which she riscended anyway. It doesn’t enter into my read.

Why is she defending Juliets and not Mac if between them, she suspects Juliets?

Jackofhearts2005 read below. she's already said you're not all mafia together. you're a bigger scum read to her than juliets. if you're bad, juliets probably isn't. where's the issue in defending juliets against you?

How did she defend Juliets? I might have missed that.

Linki - Dunya is bad.

By uh...scumreading me.

For pushing Juliets. That’s the important part.

But how is that a defense of Juliets? I mean you can scum-read someone for a case they make on anyone, it shouldn't matter if the case is on someone you also scum-read. It's about the case itself, being flimsy and fake.

Didn't I scum-read DDL for his case on you, yet I also suspected you? I don't recall you having a problem with that, nor do you seem to have a problem with me beefing with Eloh one of my points being her read on Nutella, yet the latter is also a suspect of mine

THIS! Nova gets it.

NO! NOT THIS!

There was no Juliets push to begin with. You claim to suspect me over a case that doesn’t exist.

And if it did exist, it would be about Juliets AND Mac. You called it a push on Juliets only.

This is suspicious. This is you being sensitive to attacks on Juliets.

You also scumread Juliets. This is you being also willing to bus.

It’s not about suspecting Juliets and a player that suspects Juliets because that’s not a problem and it didn’t happen anyway.

This post by Nova about Jack's Daisy/juliets suspicion does not look like a teammate. Maybe it would if Jack were on the road to getting lynched but Jack is nowhere near that.

Spoiler: show

Is it paranoid to feel like the constant misrepresentation of my suspicions on Daisy/Juliets is scum indicative?

Dunya and Nova are also having this problem and I don’t think that’s just the mafia.

Linki: Why?

I'm not sure what Jack means here, does he mean dunya and nova might be mafia because they are asking him for clarification on the Daisy/juliets saga? If so I think that's another good look for nova.

Spoiler: show

Solid PoE but the number of default additions is concerning for the game's health. It'd be something if Mafia are mostly inactives, laying low and we got their wannabe deep wolf D1.

Yup I am open to hearing suspicions of more active contributors. If there's a green skittle I'm wrong about, I need someone else to yell it at me.

Jack and Space would be my weakest green skittles.

I was surprised to see that nova still had Jack as any color green - or did he mean out of Jay's green skittles Jack and Daisy were the weakest greens. Anyway, even if he still had Jack as weak green it's not an endorsement of Jack the way I read it.

Spoiler: show

Jack and Speed are bad together and putting on a show?

How do you give someone a vest, and copy their power in one same action? I call bullshit.

It's a trade. They have to say yes or no during the day and then I get their power during the night and they get the vest.

How do you give someone a vest, and copy their power in one same action? I call bullshit.

It's a trade. They have to say yes or no during the day and then I get their power during the night and they get the vest.

I used my power last night. I have someone who can confirm that.

If you were blocked, you probably would not have gotten a yes/no bad. Therefore, even if wonkily redirected, SOMEONE in this game should be able to confirm you.
They have over 24 hours to speak up, unless you get vigged in the next three.

He said it's a day ability, ain't no one going to redirect a day ability. Also we got 3 hours left, and he should get vigged in them not the next night phase.

The only middle ground I can conceive of would be @Long Con tracking Jack into nutella, which fits both worlds. Even then though we have to contend with the fact that Jack literally told us he gave shit to speedchuck and then was like oops just kidding

Not possible. Jack allegedly visited Nutella during the day, he should have been seen visiting Eloh if he's truthful and got tracked.

A vigilante should put us out of our misery, and let the game resume.

Ok I quit. It doesn't appear nova believed Jack for one minute when Jack was explaining his case.

Spoiler: show

@JaggedJimmyJay
Nova's bad, too.

If Jack and Nova are teammates does Jack say this while circling the drain? I don't think so.

There are 2 more pages of Jack that I skipped toward the end and I will do it and report out if there is anything there that strikes me as relevant to this analysis. I just decided to stop now and get this much out there.

I do not see nova and Jack as teammate compatible. If you see it differently though please argue

[dunya]

i'm too spent. i'm going to work on thesis stuff and sleep. catch ya'll tomorrow yay.

[novaselinenever]

Someone talk to me about Matahari

Struggling to keep pace with the game, but seems authentic when she is making posts. Do you have beefs?

This is mostly correct. These ppl fly on here, and I don’t know everyone’s meta? Play style is what I’d call it. So I have to read and reread and cross reference a lot.

I checked up on your Gossip Girl game and I think I remember you kind of being disappointing with the activity, and reminiscing of times past where people a lot. Isn't this a game's activity that should suit you?

Where people do what a lot? I think you dropped a word.

post*

[speedchuck]

I do not see nova and Jack as teammate compatible. If you see it differently though please argue

If I was a lyncher and my goal was to kill Nova, this would displease me.

[speedchuck]

So that extra night was just a bunch of time for abilities to get used and info to get got. Nice.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks for that juliets. At first look, I agree with you on more points than not. I'll talk about the exceptions a bit later. I am going to be shite on Day 3. There's no way around it with my schedule to end this week.

[VOTE: nijuukyugou] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Someone actually blocked my silly ability. Okay then.

[also possible it failed for some other reason]

[juliets]

Thanks for that juliets. At first look, I agree with you on more points than not. I'll talk about the exceptions a bit later. I am going to be shite on Day 3. There's no way around it with my schedule to end this week.

[VOTE: nijuukyugou] aubergine

I must have missed something while I was going through nova and jack. Do you think ninju looks worse than Jack?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Heyo I'm still here. Still trade with Speed or what?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'd like to kindly point out that skipping day phases is not a frigging town aligned power.

[Long Con]

I'd like to kindly point out that skipping day phases is not a frigging town aligned power.

It's the price we pay for me to root out the evil.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Thanks for that juliets. At first look, I agree with you on more points than not. I'll talk about the exceptions a bit later. I am going to be shite on Day 3. There's no way around it with my schedule to end this week.

[VOTE: nijuukyugou] aubergine

I must have missed something while I was going through nova and jack. Do you think ninju looks worse than Jack?

Just making it clear she is still a major suspect.

[juliets]

Thanks for that juliets. At first look, I agree with you on more points than not. I'll talk about the exceptions a bit later. I am going to be shite on Day 3. There's no way around it with my schedule to end this week.

[VOTE: nijuukyugou] aubergine

I must have missed something while I was going through nova and jack. Do you think ninju looks worse than Jack?

Just making it clear she is still a major suspect.

Ok good, thanks.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd like to kindly point out that skipping day phases is not a frigging town aligned power.

Neither is restricting people’s ability to post, but here I am.

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

[Jackofhearts2005]

Is it paranoid to feel like the constant misrepresentation of my suspicions on Daisy/Juliets is scum indicative?

Dunya and Nova are also having this problem and I don’t think that’s just the mafia.

Linki: Why?

[mention]juliets[/mention]
I'm saying those are the four players who didn't "get" the case I put forth on Daisy. I'm saying this made me think suspect these players but also, the mafia can't possibly just be those four players so maybe I was being paranoid.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'd like to kindly point out that skipping day phases is not a frigging town aligned power.

Neither is restricting people’s ability to post, but here I am.

Are you restricting people's ability to post?

[speedchuck]

Heyo I'm still here. Still trade with Speed or what?

I'm down.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'd like to kindly point out that skipping day phases is not a frigging town aligned power.

Neither is restricting people’s ability to post, but here I am.

Are you restricting people's ability to post?

I tried.

N1 - speedchuck (Day 2 never happened)
N2 - nijuukyugou - failed

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'd like to kindly point out that skipping day phases is not a frigging town aligned power.

Neither is restricting people’s ability to post, but here I am.

Are you restricting people's ability to post?

I tried.

N1 - speedchuck (Day 2 never happened)
N2 - nijuukyugou - failed

Well...stop being anti town, then.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

I told Epi I'd be your doctor but you gotta pay.

[Matahari]

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention]
I probably mentioned old school mafia a few times during that game. There is a difference between the posting from old to new. Old- early posting is sometimes forced sounding, and the new way would get someone lynched right away. But it’s acceptable now, and I like that better.
Old - people made sure they posted as often as possible, but they spelled out everything carefully, lots of details and reasoning. Now the posts mostly seem shorter, with less of a case-making feel, unless it’s an actual case making post. I’m struggling to follow when there are tons of posts because I can’t judge whether a person sounds sincere or not (not knowing a lot of the players). I’m determined to give games a try again, and see if I can get to a point where I can read people a little better or not. I may give it at least a year, if I haven’t learned new tricks by then, I’ll go gracefully.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well...stop being anti town, then.

speedchuck

I told Epi I'd be your doctor but you gotta pay.

It bears some potential to be helpful, even if in a weird way. Kinda like LC's claim!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@novaselinenever
I probably mentioned old school mafia a few times during that game. There is a difference between the posting from old to new. Old- early posting is sometimes forced sounding, and the new way would get someone lynched right away. But it’s acceptable now, and I like that better.
Old - people made sure they posted as often as possible, but they spelled out everything carefully, lots of details and reasoning. Now the posts mostly seem shorter, with less of a case-making feel, unless it’s an actual case making post. I’m struggling to follow when there are tons of posts because I can’t judge whether a person sounds sincere or not (not knowing a lot of the players). I’m determined to give games a try again, and see if I can get to a point where I can read people a little better or not. I may give it at least a year, if I haven’t learned new tricks by then, I’ll go gracefully.

I'm super glad you're back, and I think you'll be just fine figuring out our nonsense. Do things your own way!

[speedchuck]

I'd like to kindly point out that skipping day phases is not a frigging town aligned power.

Neither is restricting people’s ability to post, but here I am.

Are you restricting people's ability to post?

I tried.

N1 - speedchuck (Day 2 never happened)
N2 - nijuukyugou - failed

Well...stop being anti town, then.

@speedchuck

I told Epi I'd be your doctor but you gotta pay.

I accepted!

[speedchuck]

Guests right now, will give my opinion on Jack's thing a bit later.

[juliets]

Is it paranoid to feel like the constant misrepresentation of my suspicions on Daisy/Juliets is scum indicative?

Dunya and Nova are also having this problem and I don’t think that’s just the mafia.

Linki: Why?

@juliets
I'm saying those are the four players who didn't "get" the case I put forth on Daisy. I'm saying this made me think suspect these players but also, the mafia can't possibly just be those four players so maybe I was being paranoid.

Ok Jack thanks for the explanation.

[Elohcin]

Oh dear. We have people over this weekend, so I’ll likely be even more sporadically reading and posting than I already do. Same old same old, I guess.

[mention]nijuukyugou[/mention] cake for you if you can actually tell me what is going on in the game :P

[juliets]

Oh dear. We have people over this weekend, so I’ll likely be even more sporadically reading and posting than I already do. Same old same old, I guess.

@nijuukyugou cake for you if you can actually tell me what is going on in the game :P

Elo is there anything the rest of us can help you with? There was a lot of posting this afternoon I know.

[juliets]

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

This is interesting. Lack of posting leading you to believe he's laying low or do you see something else?

[Elohcin]

damn it. i'm still alive.

what kind of reaction is that?

[Elohcin]

Oh dear. We have people over this weekend, so I’ll likely be even more sporadically reading and posting than I already do. Same old same old, I guess.

@nijuukyugou cake for you if you can actually tell me what is going on in the game :P

Elo is there anything the rest of us can help you with? There was a lot of posting this afternoon I know.

@juliets. Thank you for checking in on me. I was so confused, but I think nova explained it pretty well. And I think I understand the whole jack/chuck talk. I am kind of taking a back seat right now to see what all happens, tbh. I feel like the game has been flipped upside down. I think the best thing is what you and Jay are doing by comparing players to known mafia (or potential mafia).

[speedchuck]

That PM from jack's role was like "sell me your power and you get protection for one night"

Just one night. Like a freakin' protection racket IMO. (<3 Jack)

[Jackofhearts2005]

That PM from jack's role was like "sell me your power and you get protection for one night"

Just one night. Like a freakin' protection racket IMO. (<3 Jack)

Yeah well your power isn’t just townie after World Asunder and Hogwarts.

[juliets]

Ok I'm off to watch the draft.

[speedchuck]

That PM from jack's role was like "sell me your power and you get protection for one night"

Just one night. Like a freakin' protection racket IMO. (<3 Jack)

Yeah well your power isn’t just townie after World Asunder and Hogwarts.

Fair.

[speedchuck]

World Asunder and Hogwarts are not very good standards to hold mafia games to, though. One is crazy, the other has spells and stuff.

[Spacedaisy]

Wait, mods can see you when you're invisible?

Yes but some of us found a way to shut that off I think and others such as myself just don’t look at or consider that. I also don’t go invisible myself.

Actually it's five in a row with World Flags. Damn I've been on fire.

The Vault Hunt boys (and girls) managed it without you, though. And then they won.

Word

[Spacedaisy]

I have no clue what that was all about. Has Jack been red peeked?

[Long Con]

I have no clue what that was all about. Has Jack been red peeked?

Yeppers!

[speedchuck]

Yes but some of us found a way to shut that off I think and others such as myself just don’t look at or consider that. I also don’t go invisible myself.

Who? How?

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: Leetic] aubergine

This is interesting. Lack of posting leading you to believe he's laying low or do you see something else?

Something like that. I have also no reason to townread him, and I'd like us to start digging into that pile of default orange we have.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

How did you guys make 5 pages during an afternoon in a night phase? In a side mission?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I'm unemployed and I can't keep up with you guys.