Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Jay you didn't rate me and dunya.

[novaselinenever]

Lunalee
Matahari
Neverwhere

[novaselinenever]

good
good
bad

[JaggedJimmyJay]

bad
good
good

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jay you didn't rate me and dunya.

good and good

[novaselinenever]

nijuukyugou
novaselinenever
reywaS

[JaggedJimmyJay]

bad
good
good

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Lunalee
Matahari
Neverwhere

bad
civ
bad

linki:

bad
civ
civ

[novaselinenever]

bad
great
good

[novaselinenever]

Spacedaisy
speedchuck

[juliets]

bad
good
bad

bad
good
good

[juliets]

good
good

[novaselinenever]

good
good

[JaggedJimmyJay]

good
good

[novaselinenever]

Hmm I wonder who knows how to do flashy tables and graphs?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Spacedaisy
speedchuck

bad
civ

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hmm I wonder who knows how to do flashy tables and graphs?

sorry my computer exploded and I can longer use excel

Spoiler: show

fine

[juliets]

I know GTH is just gut but [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] is there anything specific about daisy that bothers you?

[Elohcin]

Sorry I haven't been here all day. Lots of work I think the obvious vote is Jack.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Call your damn votes.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

This GTH was confusing. So many blanks

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I know GTH is just gut but Dragon D. Luffy is there anything specific about daisy that bothers you?

Not really. I liked her in Day 0. Then kind of stopped thinking about her. Didn't like her Mac vote too much. She has been kind of a blur since then. I guess OMGUS turned the meter a little into the scum side.

[juliets]

I know GTH is just gut but Dragon D. Luffy is there anything specific about daisy that bothers you?

Not really. I liked her in Day 0. Then kind of stopped thinking about her. Didn't like her Mac vote too much. She has been kind of a blur since then. I guess OMGUS turned the meter a little into the scum side.

ok thanks!

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I can make an excel by tomorrow if nobody can.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] started doing his but stopped, I think I wanna wait for him?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[novaselinenever]

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

[novaselinenever]

So I did all that for nothing

[JaggedJimmyJay]

So I did all that for nothing

We did report different reads for you on niju.

[novaselinenever]

So I did all that for nothing

We did report different reads for you on niju.

Also Juliets on Neverwhere. Oops

[JaggedJimmyJay]

nijuukyugou
novaselinenever
reywaS

bad
great
good

nova forgot his fake read.

[novaselinenever]

No not that one

[novaselinenever]

Lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My head is killing me and I really need to lay down. That's going to have to be it for me this phase.

[novaselinenever]

So I did all that for nothing

We did report different reads for you on niju.

Also Juliets on Neverwhere. Oops

DDL on Neverwhere

[JaggedJimmyJay]

General note: in my first game on HCR I [correctly] red peeked Jack. He didn’t quit then either.

[nijuukyugou]

Oh dear. We have people over this weekend, so I’ll likely be even more sporadically reading and posting than I already do. Same old same old, I guess.

Whatever happens, I only ask that you pop in at least a couple of times and give me a good solid sentence or two. It doesn't even have to be relevant if you want. Anything will work given your capacity to make a post.

Sentence one: How do I manage to remember mafia literally minutes before the damn poll ends??

Sentence two: I have to eat and set up stupid prom tonight. Yay.

Sentence three: I want to vote. I don’t know who to vote for based on reading almost nothing. I’ll jump on the bandwagon.

Sigh.

[nijuukyugou]

Oh dear. We have people over this weekend, so I’ll likely be even more sporadically reading and posting than I already do. Same old same old, I guess.

@nijuukyugou cake for you if you can actually tell me what is going on in the game :P

Errrrr people are voting for Jack?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’ll vote Jack aubergine too just in case of shenanigans.

[Epignosis]

Who you gonna send home?

Poll ended at Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:29 pmPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

Dragon D. Luffy
0
No votes


Voters: None

dunya
0
No votes


Voters: None

Elochin
0
No votes


Voters: None

Jackofhearts2005
10
63%


Voters: nijuukyugou, Matahari, leetic, juliets, Long Con, Dragon D. Luffy, Elohcin, JaggedJimmyJay, Spacedaisy, Kites

JaggedJimmyJay
0
No votes


Voters: None

juliets
0
No votes


Voters: None

Kites
0
No votes


Voters: None

leetic
1
6%


Voters: novaselinenever

Long Con
1
6%


Voters: Jackofhearts2005

Lunalee
0
No votes


Voters: None

Matahari
0
No votes


Voters: None

Neverwhere
0
No votes


Voters: None

nijuukyugou
0
No votes


Voters: None

novaselinenever
1
6%


Voters: dunya

reywaS
0
No votes


Voters: None

Spacedaisy
0
No votes


Voters: None

speedchuck
0
No votes


Voters: None

Bernard Purdie (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
3
19%


Voters: MacDougall, nutella, Epignosis


Total votes: 16

[Epignosis]

Donald Fagen and Walter Becker looked at Jack.

"You are definitely not a doctor."

JackofHearts2005 has been cut.

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

Doctor Wu
Katie tried- I was halfway crucified

Are you with them doctor? Can you hear them doctor? Of course not. Before the poll ends each Day, you may send, through the host, an invitation to someone for your doctoral services. You of course don’t actually protect them, but in exchange for your “services,” you will have control of their Night action the next Night should he or she accept. Oh, and one more thing: If your role gets exposed in any capacity (except your lynch), you will be shown to be a traditional doctor with secrets.

You are mafia and win when you outnumber the civilians.

It is now Night 3. You have 24 hours to submit your PMs.

[nutella]

that's malpractice babeyy

[Elohcin]

well, there you go

I think we're doing mighty fine.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Cool beans. LC can have his proper green skittle. The potential for a gambit and bus is diminished when considering that Jack would have otherwise been a deep mafioso.

[Matahari]

Could a 19 player side mission game have 2 mafia teams?

[Elohcin]

Cool beans. LC can have his proper green skittle. The potential for a gambit and bus is diminished when considering that Jack would have otherwise been a deep mafioso.

This is the second time I have read that....what is a deep mafioso?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll bring back the Jack/nova analysis that juliets did now that we know it was a necessary effort. I'm removing the quote so it isn't enclosed in a box.

JULIETS - Jack/Nova Interaction Analysis

I am not Jay so this isn't his level of interaction analysis but it's more than we had before. My read is below each spoiler.

Spoiler: show

Speed is bad. No doubt about that in my mind.

Regardless of alignment.

First interaction that I see and it's one of Jack's jokes. Meh, no read here for me.

Spoiler: show

I call bullshit Nutella.

Now this is spicier.

Another Jack comment on nova but it's basically still a joke. Meh again.

Spoiler: show

I call bullshit Nutella.

Now this is spicier.

@novaselinenever

Elaborate.

no

A back and forth here that could be distancing or could be nova just irritated at Jack though I didn't see a reason for that to be true.

Spoiler: show

Jack, give me a rainbow

Jack
Speed
Nova
Nutella
Dunya
Jay
DDL
Juliets
Daisy

Everyone else is meh.

Did Nova set Jack up to post a rainbow where nova is good? I guess it's possible but it seems to me to be stretching it to think thats what happened.

Spoiler: show

Jack, give me a rainbow

Jack
Speed
Nova
Nutella
Dunya
Jay
DDL
Juliets
Daisy

Everyone else is meh.

I see some development there. What made you navigate through the whole Daisy/Juliets thingy to reach a double civ?

Anyone worse than meh?

Turn you computer upsidedown. I scumread Juliets and Daisy.

This sequence does not look like nova and Jack are teammates. What would be the mafia point in nova misreading Jack's list?

Spoiler: show

Jack, give me a rainbow

Jack
Speed
Nova
Nutella
Dunya
Jay
DDL
Juliets
Daisy

Everyone else is meh.

I see some development there. What made you navigate through the whole Daisy/Juliets thingy to reach a double civ?

Anyone worse than meh?

Turn you computer upsidedown. I scumread Juliets and Daisy.

Can a brother get some colors with a rainbow

And nova's reply does not make me think teammates either.

Spoiler: show

I don’t care about her read on me, which she riscended anyway. It doesn’t enter into my read.

Why is she defending Juliets and not Mac if between them, she suspects Juliets?

Jackofhearts2005 read below. she's already said you're not all mafia together. you're a bigger scum read to her than juliets. if you're bad, juliets probably isn't. where's the issue in defending juliets against you?

Shockedpikachu.jpg

Why are Jay, Jack and maybe Juliets bad?

Is it because our names start with the letter J?

I don’t think you all are together. I think one or two of you are but I’m not sure which ones.

Juliets I don’t feel the normal confused/trying to understand vibe I get from her posts. She seems more confident in her reads than I expect from civ Juliets.

Jay, it’s in the way he has responded to dunya. She pressed to understand why two things read differently because she didn’t see a difference. A valid question imo. His response was , she should know me better than that. An implicationhe thinks she is bad. Then a short time later he calls her good, I don’t see a natural evolution of opinion in there. It looks bad to me.

Jack, you pushed Juliets for her joke questions about Mac/nova. I’ve only played two game series this year and even I knew what she was talking about. You presented it in a manner as if she only asked the questions as if she already knew they were on different teams, but that was t an accurate representation. Looks bad to me.

You think Jay and Jack could be bad together?? Or are they completely separate suspicions without teammate compatibility taken into account bc I would be very surprised.

See the glory of the royal scam

I trend towards if Jack is bad the other two probably are not. Jay could be a teammate withhjuliets, but I wouldn’t say that is a sure thing if one of them is bad they both are. It’s possible, but I’m just spitting out my gut readability independent of each other right now. I don’t believe all three are bad together, no.

How did she defend Juliets? I might have missed that.

Linki - Dunya is bad.

By uh...scumreading me.

For pushing Juliets. That’s the important part.

I don't think a teammate asks Jack this question about Daisy defending me.

Spoiler: show

I don’t care about her read on me, which she riscended anyway. It doesn’t enter into my read.

Why is she defending Juliets and not Mac if between them, she suspects Juliets?

How did she defend Juliets? I might have missed that.

Linki - Dunya is bad.

By uh...scumreading me.

For pushing Juliets. That’s the important part.

But how is that a defense of Juliets? I mean you can scum-read someone for a case they make on anyone, it shouldn't matter if the case is on someone you also scum-read. It's about the case itself, being flimsy and fake.

Didn't I scum-read DDL for his case on you, yet I also suspected you? I don't recall you having a problem with that, nor do you seem to have a problem with me beefing with Eloh one of my points being her read on Nutella, yet the latter is also a suspect of mine

THIS! Nova gets it.

NO! NOT THIS!

There was no Juliets push to begin with. You claim to suspect me over a case that doesn’t exist.

And if it did exist, it would be about Juliets AND Mac. You called it a push on Juliets only.

This is suspicious. This is you being sensitive to attacks on Juliets.

You also scumread Juliets. This is you being also willing to bus.

It’s not about suspecting Juliets and a player that suspects Juliets because that’s not a problem and it didn’t happen anyway.

This post by Nova about Jack's Daisy/juliets suspicion does not look like a teammate. Maybe it would if Jack were on the road to getting lynched but Jack is nowhere near that.

Spoiler: show

Is it paranoid to feel like the constant misrepresentation of my suspicions on Daisy/Juliets is scum indicative?

Dunya and Nova are also having this problem and I don’t think that’s just the mafia.

Linki: Why?

I'm not sure what Jack means here, does he mean dunya and nova might be mafia because they are asking him for clarification on the Daisy/juliets saga? If so I think that's another good look for nova.

Spoiler: show

Solid PoE but the number of default additions is concerning for the game's health. It'd be something if Mafia are mostly inactives, laying low and we got their wannabe deep wolf D1.

Yup I am open to hearing suspicions of more active contributors. If there's a green skittle I'm wrong about, I need someone else to yell it at me.

Jack and Space would be my weakest green skittles.

I was surprised to see that nova still had Jack as any color green - or did he mean out of Jay's green skittles Jack and Daisy were the weakest greens. Anyway, even if he still had Jack as weak green it's not an endorsement of Jack the way I read it.

Spoiler: show

Jack and Speed are bad together and putting on a show?

How do you give someone a vest, and copy their power in one same action? I call bullshit.

It's a trade. They have to say yes or no during the day and then I get their power during the night and they get the vest.

How do you give someone a vest, and copy their power in one same action? I call bullshit.

It's a trade. They have to say yes or no during the day and then I get their power during the night and they get the vest.

I used my power last night. I have someone who can confirm that.

If you were blocked, you probably would not have gotten a yes/no bad. Therefore, even if wonkily redirected, SOMEONE in this game should be able to confirm you.
They have over 24 hours to speak up, unless you get vigged in the next three.

He said it's a day ability, ain't no one going to redirect a day ability. Also we got 3 hours left, and he should get vigged in them not the next night phase.

The only middle ground I can conceive of would be @Long Con tracking Jack into nutella, which fits both worlds. Even then though we have to contend with the fact that Jack literally told us he gave shit to speedchuck and then was like oops just kidding

Not possible. Jack allegedly visited Nutella during the day, he should have been seen visiting Eloh if he's truthful and got tracked.

A vigilante should put us out of our misery, and let the game resume.

Ok I quit. It doesn't appear nova believed Jack for one minute when Jack was explaining his case.

Spoiler: show

@JaggedJimmyJay
Nova's bad, too.

If Jack and Nova are teammates does Jack say this while circling the drain? I don't think so.

There are 2 more pages of Jack that I skipped toward the end and I will do it and report out if there is anything there that strikes me as relevant to this analysis. I just decided to stop now and get this much out there.

I do not see nova and Jack as teammate compatible. If you see it differently though please argue

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Could a 19 player side mission game have 2 mafia teams?

It's possible. I'm inclined to assume otherwise in this case simply because they've both flipped merely as "mafia" instead of some specific team names.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Cool beans. LC can have his proper green skittle. The potential for a gambit and bus is diminished when considering that Jack would have otherwise been a deep mafioso.

This is the second time I have read that....what is a deep mafioso?

Most people call it a "deep wolf", "wolf" is dumb.

It refers to a mafioso who has embedded him or herself effectively within a "civilian core" and is likely to survive deep into the game.

[novaselinenever]

Cool beans. LC can have his proper green skittle. The potential for a gambit and bus is diminished when considering that Jack would have otherwise been a deep mafioso.

This is the second time I have read that....what is a deep mafioso?

A Mafioso considered a consensus strong town read and absent from the PoE.

[novaselinenever]

Ninja'd