Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

#2251

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:54 pm Jay, please come help me

You must help yourself, aspiring supertown president. Be the best novaselinenever that you can be.

#2252

Jack and leetic, Neverwhere, and nijuukyugou

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Jack answered leetic's call for an overview of the game in very basic terms. Don't care.

leetic said nothing about Jack.

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Jack semi-protested my assertion that his case against juliets was no stronger than an empty case against Neverwhere. That's technically a defense.

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My initial reaction to this was positive for Neverwhere, though I am inclined to reconsider now. Even if Jack really did believe she was lynchable in this moment, that may not do her any huge favors -- lynching an inactive teammate in Neverwhere serves Jack's team better than lynching an active MacDougall. That isn't necessarily indicative of a mafioso Neverwhere, but I won't rule it out.

Neverwhere never mentioned Jack.

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Jack's softball to Elohcin was relevant to niju in that Eloh had a civilian read on her. Hard to extract something from this. I could reach and suggest that Jack is setting a preliminary smear for Elohcin when niju flips mafia. Eh.

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Meaningless

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Jack contributed to the negative press on niju. This came quite a while after that negative press actually got started. The delay has me less inclined to view in a positive light.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:21 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:50 pm
nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:00 pm Oh dear. We have people over this weekend, so I’ll likely be even more sporadically reading and posting than I already do. Same old same old, I guess.
@nijuukyugou cake for you if you can actually tell me what is going on in the game :P
Errrrr people are voting for Jack?

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Conclusion: I don't see a good reason to remove any of them from the suspect pool.

#2253

A role has been added to the OP, seemingly revealed: Deacon Blues. It matches the description juliets gave of her role.

#2254

Jack and Lunalee

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Irrelevant

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This is also pretty irrelevant. 12% defensive of Luna.

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When Jack was yelling about Daisy/juliets, dunya prodded him for an alternative suspect. He farted out a "maybe Luna". I'm not inspired.

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Not exactly subtle here. Not a terrible look for Luna. Luna gave him shit in response, and he babbled -- this was also Luna's only mention of Jack.

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This "maybe" shite again. Given that this comes by way of Mac interaction, I am getting the impression that Jack views Luna as lynchable and is trying to promote that eventuality. Decent for her, at least tentatively.

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Conclusion: There's room for debate on this one. I think it is a slight tick in the positive direction for Luna.

#2255

Jack and DDL

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Irrelevant chatter about "last time".

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This bugs me a lot for DDL. Jack made a statement which should have applied to DDL in isolation (that he looked fake), but he turned it into this bullshit dissociative read between DDL and I. This serves well as a distance maneuver without actually promoting a lynch.

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This is another pinger, and it foreshadows another point I'll get to later. Jack already said DDL and I are not "w/w", but everything he actually says about us in concert implies that we are. If DDL were to be lynched and flip mafia with Jack alive, I'd expect to hear something about this from him.

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Jack cannot seem to talk about DDL unless he is also talking about me.

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Here the two engage in some back-and-forth chit-chat about dunya and I. Meh.

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This was Jack's delayed response to my DDL/Mac interactive review. It's the second example of him throwing a little shade my way for a read I state on DDL, which again can be suggestive of setup -- makes me look like a goober if DDL is lynched and flips mafia.

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Jack provided DDL with some direction. Whatever.

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After dunya gave Jack shit, he responded with this. Remove my name from the equation and I think the question Jack is asking here with incredulity sounds perfectly believable (that he would indeed do that).

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Jack was dead meat by this point, so play WIFOM if you like. I don't care about this either way.

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DDL stood up for Jack after I gave him shit on Day 0. The premise of DDL's defense is terrible. "1/12" is never a "very productive ratio" in any phase, and I don't believe DDL took that nonsense seriously.

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DDL gave some weak reads, one of which was "Jack sounds legit". Eh.

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DDL was trying to made me look bad here in a very typical manner -- essentially accusing me of a "why me" defense discrediting dunya. Note though that in the process of doing so, he is implicitly defensive of Jack -- discarding his "opinion" as "not understanding the case".

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One among the immense pile of meaningless votes. Doesn't make DDL look better or worse.

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Conclusion: I found numerous problems with DDL here and it never really felt like I had to reach to arrive at that perspective.

#2256

Jack and Matahari

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Off-topic. That's it for Jack.

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Mata listed Jack on a somewhat lengthy list of people she was "feeling antsy about". This is the kind of post that people wrongly call salad.

It doesn't do her favors though. It's a thicket and he's nestled in there.

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Mata lent some support to an evil connection between juliets and I, but specifically removed Jack from the J-Squad in that framework. That's a curious decision.

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I would like this more without that dang caveat/disclaimer (highlighted).

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Mata voiced assertive disagreement with Jack regarding his read on Daisy.

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Was anyone actually backing Jack up after LC revealed his check?

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She pointed more directly at speedchuck in this one relative to the previous point. The notion she speaks of is highly specific and doesn't really move me either way.

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Conclusion: This was unique among interactive analyses (in general, not just this game) in one way: the mafioso has many posts, the player being analyzed has few posts, and yet the wealth of content I discuss is almost exclusively from the latter. Mata has devoted considerable attention to Jack as a proportion of her total contribution, whereas Jack didn't seem to realize Mata is playing in the Mafia game. I think that's actually a good thing for her, even if a number of the points I made here are troublesome in isolation.

That makes this one tough and I welcome feedback.

#2257

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
Ok here’s some feedback lol. On the post where you said I separated you and Juliet’s from Jack, I guess I didn’t make myself clear. People were calling the three of you the j squad, and I got the impression they were implying a bad take on all of you. My point was that early in the game I got the idea that there was a role connection between you and Juliet’s. That was very early and it passed. I did not get the idea that Jack was connected to the two of you.
To explain better, I felt like the connection between you and Juliet’s was possible town Btsc. I don’t say that in games because drawing attention to town status in some cases paints a target. Plus it was early on and my early impressions change most of the time. So I hate that you thought my ‘connections’ were a way of trying to make people look evil, they aren’t. I look for signs of people supporting each other early in games because it gives a good reference later when trying to figure out who possible teammates are.

#2258

And, I don’t think y’all are a town team now, but I do have you both as town now.

#2259

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] do something

#2260

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:49 am JaggedJimmyJay
Ok here’s some feedback lol. On the post where you said I separated you and Juliet’s from Jack, I guess I didn’t make myself clear. People were calling the three of you the j squad, and I got the impression they were implying a bad take on all of you. My point was that early in the game I got the idea that there was a role connection between you and Juliet’s. That was very early and it passed. I did not get the idea that Jack was connected to the two of you.
To explain better, I felt like the connection between you and Juliet’s was possible town Btsc. I don’t say that in games because drawing attention to town status in some cases paints a target. Plus it was early on and my early impressions change most of the time. So I hate that you thought my ‘connections’ were a way of trying to make people look evil, they aren’t. I look for signs of people supporting each other early in games because it gives a good reference later when trying to figure out who possible teammates are.

I can believe that. I know that in earlier eras of Syndicate play folks were less inclined to broadcast their town theories (primarily due to survival win conditions).

#2261

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
I thought Speedchuck was backing Jack up.

#2262

At face value I still think you sound genuine, Matahari. I am also inclined to believe Jack would have acknowledged your existence if you were his teammate.

#2263

[mention]dunya[/mention]
I read through DDLs posts. I honestly don’t know what to say about them. Isolated, they sound exactly like a town person should sound. But I don’t know his style at all (along with a few others). After reading Jays post, I’m aware that my judgement is not the best here.
To me, he seemed non-committal, polite, and mostly perfect. Which is impossible, of course. Does he always sound this way, no matter what his alignment is? I would have guessed maybe an Indy role for him, but I can’t rely on my own judgement with players I’m unfamiliar with. I’m sorry, I’m no help here.

#2264

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:57 am @novaselinenever do something

#2265

Very well then. I'll just reclaim my Socky.

#2266

I think the only way out of the slump is through a Trustfall.

#2267

Tell me reasons to town-read Eloh

#2268

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:31 am Tell me reasons to town-read Eloh

In theory:

~ It ought to be difficult for a mafioso Elohcin to exhibit such emotion as she did at the end of Day 1 if it is her teammate getting wasted while he isn't around to defend himself. That angst could instead be confined to BTSC or saved for the post-game.
~ Jack actively tried to make her look bad.

#2269

Decent points.

It seems to be consistent with her views on late switches and busy EoD according to several players. I don't think her alignment would be that much of a factor if she feels that way about those kind of Mafia plays. Weirdly enough though, her first reaction to the switch on Mac was more refrained. She mentioned not being able to catch up and asked what did he do, I kind of read that as someone looking to buy lol. It's in contrast with the reaction that followed.

#2270

I didn't like her reaction to the interaction analysis. I'm not sure what is one sided about it (she even goes on to mention that it has interactions from both sides), and I don't care much for her please as not to have her read with it help.

#2271

Leetic is far past the townie apathy threshold. He's in lurking, nitpicking posts to quote and say nothing territory.

#2272

Oh wonderful, amazing Jay. Thank you for doing the DDL legwork and saving me from myself.

#2273

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:53 am I didn't like her reaction to the interaction analysis. I'm not sure what is one sided about it (she even goes on to mention that it has interactions from both sides), and I don't care much for her please as not to have her read with it help.

What does the second part even mean

#2274

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:50 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:54 pm Jay, please come help me
You must help yourself, aspiring supertown president. Be the best novaselinenever that you can be.

Do you think nove is lock town?

#2275

I really would like to know what was the poll like when Niju voted. I feel like it's the answer to pretty much everything regarding her, and it can change a lot.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:59 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:58 pm I hate to see all this stirring up here at the end. Daisy says she is voting Mac b/c she is sleep deprived and annoyed and "I hope you're right Jay" but Jay is on neverwhere and not Mac. WTF people. we had 24 hours to work this out. switching around at the last damn minute usually is a mafia thing trying to get voted away from their team, am I right?
Where were people voting before, Eloh? I hate CFDs.

I feel like this is her worst post. What is the purpose of knowing what people were voting before? If your intention is to sheep those people, why settle on where their vote was rather then where their vote is now. The "I hate CFDs" is crap since she hasn't earned it, she's looking to follow other people's votes

#2276

I have slept for 3 hours. Im awake and playing mafia again from bed before I get off my ass and go to work. I am sick.

#2277

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:56 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:53 am I didn't like her reaction to the interaction analysis. I'm not sure what is one sided about it (she even goes on to mention that it has interactions from both sides), and I don't care much for her please as not to have her read with it help.
What does the second part even mean

I have no idea

I guess I meant to say "pleas" as in requests, to not be read through her interactions with Jack.

Linki - I'm just about to go to sleep. No work tomorrow, sleeping in

#2278

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:18 am @dunya
I read through DDLs posts. I honestly don’t know what to say about them. Isolated, they sound exactly like a town person should sound. But I don’t know his style at all (along with a few others). After reading Jays post, I’m aware that my judgement is not the best here.
To me, he seemed non-committal, polite, and mostly perfect. Which is impossible, of course. Does he always sound this way, no matter what his alignment is? I would have guessed maybe an Indy role for him, but I can’t rely on my own judgement with players I’m unfamiliar with. I’m sorry, I’m no help here.

Thank you. And no, he does not imo. DDL is often rash and comes across sounding a little rude (that's just how it is cos he says it like he means it). I haven't seen any conflict here with antone except for that one post with Jay where he was like "what is this a job interview? I dont have to shit" which in a little bubble sounds pretty fake to my ears when I keep rehearing it lol. The fact youre describing him as polite and agreeable is pingy in itself.

#2279

"I dont have to shit"

Ooof, painful man.

Lmao.

#2280

I'm unable to beef with Kites.

#2281

I can[/] see matahari as mafia we don't know her meta play for who is hiding behind "it's been 5 years since I last played" if I ignored how genuine she sounds when she does give us info tbh.

But she isn't avoiding us and answers every question. I like that.

#2282

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:10 pm Okay I read like 6 pages and Its after midnight. I'm not going to be reading much further back because realistically I don't think I'll have time if I want to keep on top of new content.

JJJ reading greenish

Dunya I'm reading green

I'm not sure I understand elohs upset, so that gives me pause.

I want to go back and do some proper readings tomorrow on DDL and Njk...however you spell that one. I saw the two of them mentioned multiple times and want my own opinions.

I don't understand JJJs jump on me at the end of day 1. Out of all the inactives picking me seemed random as heck.

I will be around more after tomorrow hopefully.

Linki - Has anyone ever played with a baddie Matahari?

#2283

Wow phone posting sucks. I dunno how anyone does this as their primary way of playing mafia.

#2284

It would be someone old-school like juliets daisy or elohcin who have played with her.

Even if they saw a baddie Mata, the point is -it was 5 years ago-.

#2285

Was old days win con survive to win also enforced for the mafia team?

#2286

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:04 am
Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:18 am @dunya
I read through DDLs posts. I honestly don’t know what to say about them. Isolated, they sound exactly like a town person should sound. But I don’t know his style at all (along with a few others). After reading Jays post, I’m aware that my judgement is not the best here.
To me, he seemed non-committal, polite, and mostly perfect. Which is impossible, of course. Does he always sound this way, no matter what his alignment is? I would have guessed maybe an Indy role for him, but I can’t rely on my own judgement with players I’m unfamiliar with. I’m sorry, I’m no help here.
Thank you. And no, he does not imo. DDL is often rash and comes across sounding a little rude (that's just how it is cos he says it like he means it). I haven't seen any conflict here with antone except for that one post with Jay where he was like "what is this a job interview? I dont have to shit" which in a little bubble sounds pretty fake to my ears when I keep rehearing it lol. The fact youre describing him as polite and agreeable is pingy in itself.

Thank you. The post where he said ‘I don’t have to do shit’ , I took as more fooling around. There’s so much goofing off between some of these guys at the start, that I’m never sure when ‘serious’ starts. But I will remember your description of his play style for this and future games.

Linki- yes, Juliet’s and Daisy are familiar with my mafia game. It sucks. I got better at being bad over the nine-ish years I played, but I would never have won without a teams help. I always let my mafia team make the decisions.

#2287

What do you think you'd have done differently if you bad this game?

#2288

were*

#2289

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:17 am Was old days win con survive to win also enforced for the mafia team?

Most of the time you had to be alive at end game to win. The last game I played, I think it changed to the whole team won regardless. What’s funny is the first three or four years I played, I never heard of a win condition. We had them but the hosts never called them win conditions.

Nova, if you’re talking to me, I would have tried to play my usual town self, although it’s hard to do when you have a team. I almost always got caught.

#2290

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:16 pm I feel so bad for not showing up before EOD. Sorry guys. This weekend will continue to be a busy one for me, but I'll be around when I can.
can you give us a few thoughts on anyone? throw us a bone? say a couple lines about anything?

@leetic @Neverwhere @reywaS

Fuck. Sorry. Isobel is better and my responsibilities are catching up to me. I've not really been online at all the last few days.

Well done on Jack, catching up now, just wanted to reply to this as I saw it.

Also, to those suspecting me for my silence, I would think ignoring the game would be pretty shitty scum play. I mean, its poor civ play for sure as I'm being useless, but if I were mafia I'd be way more likely to be keeping an eye on things .

#2291

Good morning, I haven't had time to read any posts this morning and have to go to work in a few minutes. I hope to be back by noon or little after.

#2292

I'm not giong to lie, I'm still lost. So many posts. I said it in my last post where I said I was going to go back and reread and then didn't get time, but It's still true I'd be looking at DDL.

I was at a baby shower last night till late and I'm hosting today, so I'm too busy to really look at post analysis later.

If you need to lynch me for my uselessness I understand, and I apologise.

#2293

Too busy to look at post analysis TIL later not too busy later.

#2294

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:57 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:50 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:54 pm Jay, please come help me
You must help yourself, aspiring supertown president. Be the best novaselinenever that you can be.
Do you think nove is lock town?

No. I’m trying to light a fire under his arse.

#2295

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:31 am
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:16 pm I feel so bad for not showing up before EOD. Sorry guys. This weekend will continue to be a busy one for me, but I'll be around when I can.
can you give us a few thoughts on anyone? throw us a bone? say a couple lines about anything?

@leetic @Neverwhere @reywaS
I'm %95 confident that speedchuck is town, for reasons.

#2296

crap, lemme fix that.

#2297

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:16 pm I feel so bad for not showing up before EOD. Sorry guys. This weekend will continue to be a busy one for me, but I'll be around when I can.
can you give us a few thoughts on anyone? throw us a bone? say a couple lines about anything?

@leetic @Neverwhere @reywaS

I'm %95 confident that speedchuck is town, for reasons.

#2298

Finally. I thought I'd never catch up

#2299

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:44 pm Finally. I thought I'd never catch up

What have you learned?

#2300

Jack and speedchuck

NOTE: For this analysis I am going to ignore everything that occurred after Long Con revealed his check. The case or non-case of that material is self-explanatory. Instead I am going to see what indicators may exist before that occurred.

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Jokes

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Okay then.

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speed is Jack's strongest civilian read early in Day 1.

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Jack provides his reasoning; it's a vague and certainly fake thing about tone. This doesn't strike me as TMI but rather just a purely fake read -- doesn't have to mean any particular thing for speedchuck.

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This may be TMI though. That's how it looks for nutella, and speedchuck may receive a similar effect.

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Gratuitous at this point. Mac was similar in his treatment of speedchuck.

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Softballs

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:24 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:09 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:22 pm Elohcin
leetic
Long Con
Lunalee
Neverwhere
reywaS
speedchuck
nijuukyugou
It just so happens that my previous rainbow was nicely situated to eight suspects.

I'd love to see other people's lists though. I'm sure there will be differences. Eight is a bunch.
Solid PoE but the number of default additions is concerning for the game's health. It'd be something if Mafia are mostly inactives, laying low and we got their wannabe deep wolf D1.
It's concerning for more reasons, too. I feel like this list is mostly defaults. I'd be wary of narrowing down to the people that are hardly playing, like everyone else is town.

As a thought exercise, maybe this is okay, but it is an anti-town POE. Worth very little, and potentially crippling if we follow it. D1 didn't have enough substance to absolve many people of being mafia. JJJ isn't clear, nor is Jack, nor is DDL. If any one of them are scum (and that's definitely possible at this point) then this POE is game over.
Sounds like something a wolf would say.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:33 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:24 pm
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:09 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:22 pm Elohcin
leetic
Long Con
Lunalee
Neverwhere
reywaS
speedchuck
nijuukyugou
It just so happens that my previous rainbow was nicely situated to eight suspects.

I'd love to see other people's lists though. I'm sure there will be differences. Eight is a bunch.
Solid PoE but the number of default additions is concerning for the game's health. It'd be something if Mafia are mostly inactives, laying low and we got their wannabe deep wolf D1.
It's concerning for more reasons, too. I feel like this list is mostly defaults. I'd be wary of narrowing down to the people that are hardly playing, like everyone else is town.

As a thought exercise, maybe this is okay, but it is an anti-town POE. Worth very little, and potentially crippling if we follow it. D1 didn't have enough substance to absolve many people of being mafia. JJJ isn't clear, nor is Jack, nor is DDL. If any one of them are scum (and that's definitely possible at this point) then this POE is game over.
Sounds like something a wolf would say.
I am conscious of that. I'm always conscious of that. I just sometimes refuse to care.

My goal for the rest of the night is to shade JJJ with doubts and suspicions because he's done some things that make me double take, but then stop short of casing him because that's a lot of effort.
Lol okay.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:38 pm Speedchuck is technically right about suspect lists and poe.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:36 pm Four things JJJ has done that made me "hmmmm":
1. Moving to lynch a lurker when we had a valid scum lynch on the burner. Does Jay not recognize a scumlynch when he sees it? And if not, why did he go...
2. Taking credit for the Mac lynch. Screw any taking credit. It's all garbage. It looks even worse here. JJJ is capable of bussing to hell and back, as I have seen recently.
3. Suspecting me based primarily on Mac's rampant buddying of me. He can do better, and he's not, not even when...
4. Constructing a scumspect list based almost entirely on like three mac interactions and widespread inactivity. Calling it a POE when it's either not that or is a terrible idea.
Tell me about that second point.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 4:03 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:36 pm Four things JJJ has done that made me "hmmmm":
1. Moving to lynch a lurker when we had a valid scum lynch on the burner. Does Jay not recognize a scumlynch when he sees it? And if not, why did he go...
2. Taking credit for the Mac lynch. Screw any taking credit. It's all garbage. It looks even worse here. JJJ is capable of bussing to hell and back, as I have seen recently.
3. Suspecting me based primarily on Mac's rampant buddying of me. He can do better, and he's not, not even when...
4. Constructing a scumspect list based almost entirely on like three mac interactions and widespread inactivity. Calling it a POE when it's either not that or is a terrible idea.
Tell me about that second point.
I can recall immediately three scum JJJ games I was in.
In Mountain Mafia, JJJ got lynched and we killed all his scummates by killing all the people he cased.
In Phenon, I technically outted his partner night one, so there was no bussing to be had.
In the Bulba game we just recently played, I remembered him as bussing but when I go and look back, it's more complicated than that. One of his teammates clashed with him through D1 and ended up asking for replacement. JJJ said just lynch him instead. Then he claimed and Sloonei counterclaimed, sealing his fate.

Not quite bussing.

That said, I respect JJJ as a player of mafia (whatever the aggressive tone of my posts may be) and I'm pretty sure he could bus.

If you're talking specifically about him taking credit in this game, gimme a bit.
Nah, that’s what I wanted. Mountains Jay is the only baddie Jay I’ve seen.

This entire sequence bugs me. speedchuck and Jack cooperatively spam me with a bunch of worthless pedantic shite regarding what a "POE" is and then Jack softballs speedchuck to death about how bad I do [and then don't] look.

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dunya asked the right question here: how does speedchuck feel about Jack giving him so much civilian credit? speed's response is one of being unconvinced, though he didn't take any stance on Jack in the process -- and instead of asking Jack about it, he asked dunya and I.

He got to Jack ten minutes later

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I'm going to return to speed's initial gripe with my POE list. Note the highlighted portion.

One of the players speed warned about that wasn't in my POE list was... me.

That's incredible bullshit. I should have noticed it at the time. Then the other two are Jack (the subject of our analysis) and DDL. He picked them out specifically. Very much teammate-compatible with Jack in this moment.

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Conclusion: Again, the focus here is everything before Long Con revealed his check. I do think a case can be made, and rather easily, that they're teammates. Then when the peek and the vest stuff are incorporated, a standard dollop of WIFOM is added on top. Do I think those two players are capable of such buffoonery? Yes.

I take the possibility seriously.

No static at all? You sure?