Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[juliets]

Also, on Rey, he was talking openly on discord about how he hated this new way of playing mafia (he and Elo were agreeing) and wasn't going to play anymore. That was before this game started.

[speedchuck]

Also, on Rey, he was talking openly on discord about how he hated this new way of playing mafia (he and Elo were agreeing) and wasn't going to play anymore. That was before this game started.

I'm sorry, what is 'this new way'?

[Spacedaisy]

Neverwhere just genuinely looks too busy to be in this game. But looking back at her posts, she seems to be trying with each checkin instead of just making excuses. Also she's congratulated each scum lynch. I really want to town-read Neverwhere.

I reread the lowposters earlier today, and I came away thinking that neverwhere seemed ok too. I did not get the best feeling from Niju. I also tend to suspect Rey is bad every time he doesn’t show up. That’s an old school bias that I haven’t been able to shake, but I also would hate to lynch someone who is a no show. He’s not exactly doing any harm so I’m not sure whether he’s worth thinking about.

I agree regarding Blooper.

[Spacedaisy]

The more I think about it the more I get pinged. The timing of this narrowed down poll is weird as hell. We have lynched mafia 2 consecutive times. 2 failed kills. We dont need direction...which a narrowed down poll offers usually (I always hate it ftr). Our direction has been on point. Feels like mafia needed a break and with all the niju talk, this would have been a perfect opportunity for mafia DDL to set up niju for a mislynch as the clear consensus. The kites omission is kinda glaring at me too.

This doesn't feel town inspired.

Clear consensus? I heard a lot of accusations against leetic and neverwhere as well.

I do have reservations about how town this might be, but would DDL as mafia claim to have done this? He wouldn’t have needed to, he could have said nothing.

[Spacedaisy]

@Lunalee Why are you talking about my role?

I am interested in the answer to this question. Also speedchuck how do you feel aboutLuna currently?

[Spacedaisy]

Does anyone else think it is weird that Luna is suddenly very involved now that she is on a narrowed list?

I thought this same thing.

[speedchuck]

@Lunalee Why are you talking about my role?

I am interested in the answer to this question. Also speedchuck how do you feel aboutLuna currently?

Both of these questions have been answered a little further in your reading.

[Spacedaisy]

I saw no mention from you specifically what your current read on Luna is

[speedchuck]

I'm about 70%+ on Luna being town. I'll probably not vote there today without compelling reason.

[leetic]

Well it seems I am in trouble right now. What happened?

[Lunalee]

Well it seems I am in trouble right now. What happened?

You haven't been around dude, and DDL is forcing us to lynch a low-poster. But besides that, what do you think about the other players up for lynch? I haven't heard any opinions from you even when you do get a chance to pop in.

[leetic]

I've been a bit focused on the other game I'm playing, it's been getting a bit intense

I’ll go nutella, then, simply because she has more votes besides Mac, and because Mac votes are apparently last minute, which, as you’ve said, is usually a mafia move.

Sorry, y’all - it’s been such a long time since I last played that I’m not used to checking or thinking about checking the thread.

Looking through the posts of the people in the poll, this was the only thing that pinged me. Reads like an attempt to redirect to a mislynch. [VOTE: nijuukyugou] aubergine

[juliets]

Also, on Rey, he was talking openly on discord about how he hated this new way of playing mafia (he and Elo were agreeing) and wasn't going to play anymore. That was before this game started.

I'm sorry, what is 'this new way'?

I'm not entirely sure other than throwing names in the ring early to gauge reactions, judging people off of one post, I don't really remember what else they said. [mention]Elohcin[/mention] can probably describe it better.

[juliets]

I've been a bit focused on the other game I'm playing, it's been getting a bit intense

I’ll go nutella, then, simply because she has more votes besides Mac, and because Mac votes are apparently last minute, which, as you’ve said, is usually a mafia move.

Sorry, y’all - it’s been such a long time since I last played that I’m not used to checking or thinking about checking the thread.

Looking through the posts of the people in the poll, this was the only thing that pinged me. Reads like an attempt to redirect to a mislynch. [VOTE: nijuukyugou] aubergine

leetic if you care about this game I would strongly urge you to focus on it as well. You are at real risk of getting lynched today. As Luna said you haven't been around at all, I don't know one of your reads besides niju. Also, it's kind of a slap in the face to our host to say the other game has your attention more so than this one.

[leetic]

I've been a bit focused on the other game I'm playing, it's been getting a bit intense

I’ll go nutella, then, simply because she has more votes besides Mac, and because Mac votes are apparently last minute, which, as you’ve said, is usually a mafia move.

Sorry, y’all - it’s been such a long time since I last played that I’m not used to checking or thinking about checking the thread.

Looking through the posts of the people in the poll, this was the only thing that pinged me. Reads like an attempt to redirect to a mislynch. [VOTE: nijuukyugou] aubergine

leetic if you care about this game I would strongly urge you to focus on it as well. You are at real risk of getting lynched today. As Luna said you haven't been around at all, I don't know one of your reads besides niju. Also, it's kind of a slap in the face to our host to say the other game has your attention more so than this one.

Sorry if that comment seemed rude, the other game is a hydra game and I can't let my partner down. I would've subbed out by now, but I know full well how hard it is to find subs nowadays
Anyway, I'll see what I can do

[Kites]

sorry for not posting, this weekend has been real busy

Ima throw in my two cents later, analyzing the low posters shouldn’t take too long

[juliets]

The more I think about it the more I get pinged. The timing of this narrowed down poll is weird as hell. We have lynched mafia 2 consecutive times. 2 failed kills. We dont need direction...which a narrowed down poll offers usually (I always hate it ftr). Our direction has been on point. Feels like mafia needed a break and with all the niju talk, this would have been a perfect opportunity for mafia DDL to set up niju for a mislynch as the clear consensus. The kites omission is kinda glaring at me too.

This doesn't feel town inspired.

Clear consensus? I heard a lot of accusations against leetic and neverwhere as well.

I do have reservations about how town this might be, but would DDL as mafia claim to have done this? He wouldn’t have needed to, he could have said nothing.

I think he thought it looked civ and that's why he claimed, regardless of what alignment he really is.

[juliets]

I've been a bit focused on the other game I'm playing, it's been getting a bit intense

I’ll go nutella, then, simply because she has more votes besides Mac, and because Mac votes are apparently last minute, which, as you’ve said, is usually a mafia move.

Sorry, y’all - it’s been such a long time since I last played that I’m not used to checking or thinking about checking the thread.

Looking through the posts of the people in the poll, this was the only thing that pinged me. Reads like an attempt to redirect to a mislynch. [VOTE: nijuukyugou] aubergine

leetic if you care about this game I would strongly urge you to focus on it as well. You are at real risk of getting lynched today. As Luna said you haven't been around at all, I don't know one of your reads besides niju. Also, it's kind of a slap in the face to our host to say the other game has your attention more so than this one.

Sorry if that comment seemed rude, the other game is a hydra game and I can't let my partner down. I would've subbed out by now, but I know full well how hard it is to find subs nowadays
Anyway, I'll see what I can do

Ok leetic, I see. Can you give us any reads beyond niju?

[novaselinenever]

[juliets]

I have to go back [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] and see if I can figure out why you voted Luna.

[Elohcin]

I went ahead and voted luna. I already suspected her before this day. Then, something about how it was suddenly convenient for her to jump in and play when her name was on a narrowed lynch pole. Baddie trying to lay low that now feels threatened. This is what I think.

[Elohcin]

AND, if she doesn't get lynched today and then there is a kill tonight....even more suspect.

[juliets]

sorry for not posting, this weekend has been real busy

Ima throw in my two cents later, analyzing the low posters shouldn’t take too long

kites, I'd like to hear your thoughts on some people who are not low posters too since we haven't heard from you in a while.

[novaselinenever]

AND, if she doesn't get lynched today and then there is a kill tonight....even more suspect.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Neverwhere just genuinely looks too busy to be in this game. But looking back at her posts, she seems to be trying with each checkin instead of just making excuses. Also she's congratulated each scum lynch. I really want to town-read Neverwhere.

I reread the lowposters earlier today, and I came away thinking that neverwhere seemed ok too. I did not get the best feeling from Niju. I also tend to suspect Rey is bad every time he doesn’t show up. That’s an old school bias that I haven’t been able to shake, but I also would hate to lynch someone who is a no show. He’s not exactly doing any harm so I’m not sure whether he’s worth thinking about.

Yeah, looking at niju I kinda agree with you.
She was here for the mac lynch, and voted nutella. The reason was based on what the rest of the thread was doing, instead of a personal choice.

She also wasn't keeping up with the Jack suspicion and asked "people are voting Jack?" I'm assuming that means she wasn't a fan of the Jack lynch either.

reywaS should be mod-killed for inactivity or replaced. I'm not okay with lynching someone with zero posts, and I don't like that DDL thought we would be open to lynching someone with zero posts.

I figured you maybe wouldn't but if I tried to predict what you would do I would be feeling from my objective criterium which was "5 lowest posters".

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I need to sleep, it's past 2 am and I have work tomorrow again. Keep the discussion going folks. Don't limit yourselves to the poll. Ask yourselves WHY Ddl would narrow the poll down today. What are his motives for doing so? And have fun!

- Look at the GTH we just did. It's probably a low poster.
- Getting the low posters to post.
- Getting people to talk about them.
- Removing myself from the poll for a while.
- Confirming my role, which historically is a civ one.
- Knocking mafia out of their confort zone. Mafia hates randomness.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Neverwhere just genuinely looks too busy to be in this game. But looking back at her posts, she seems to be trying with each checkin instead of just making excuses. Also she's congratulated each scum lynch. I really want to town-read Neverwhere.

I reread the lowposters earlier today, and I came away thinking that neverwhere seemed ok too. I did not get the best feeling from Niju. I also tend to suspect Rey is bad every time he doesn’t show up. That’s an old school bias that I haven’t been able to shake, but I also would hate to lynch someone who is a no show. He’s not exactly doing any harm so I’m not sure whether he’s worth thinking about.

Can you explain the old school bias? Why does rey have to be bad over leetic for example?

He doesn’t. They could both/neither be bad. The os bias is that anyone who is a no show, or early disappearance, and doesn’t get replaced, is probably bad. This is how it would go: I would say “ I think the missing X should be lynched today since we aren’t sure about anyone else. Everyone says “no that’s awful. We can’t do that” finally X gets replaced. Two days later, everyone lynches him. Most times he was bad, but not always.

That, plus I recall Rey saying he hated being mafia. That has probably changed too.

Juliet’s might remember a game at RevMaf, where a guy named spaghetti (I think), never showed up after the first day or two. At end game, he effin won as a mafia.

I will shake this bias eventually.

Oh my gosh yes I remember that!

I have seen it happen on this site too and it is SOO annoying.

I have to say I agree with dunya about DDL. I'm not convinced it was a townie thing to do to restrict the poll to inactive. I think we were doing pretty damn well with an unrestricted poll. (LC probably doesn't like that vulgarity, lol). If enough people agreed that we should lynch an inactive we would have lynched one.

Sorry I have a role PM that says I can revoke your democracy when I want to.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Ok so

Leetic posts sucks he pretty much only cares about saving his ass. He made his first non-OMGUS post this night and it's something other people already said about niju. Kind of bordering on "too bad to be bad" though, like I wonder if mafia would try harder to appear decent.

Nerverwhere is neutral her few game relevant posts are just promises of activity. Meh.

Niju is similar to never except for that godawful Mac vote. Would lynch just because of that. Maybe.

Luna looked fishy early but she made a post against Jack that looked genuine. Voted Mac too. Unlikely mafia.

Someone vig/modkill reywas plz.

[juliets]

Ok so

Leetic posts sucks he pretty much only cares about saving his ass. He made his first non-OMGUS post this night and it's something other people already said about niju. Kind of bordering on "too bad to be bad" though, like I wonder if mafia would try harder to appear decent.

Nerverwhere is neutral her few game relevant posts are just promises of activity. Meh.

Niju is similar to never except for that godawful Mac vote. Would lynch just because of that. Maybe.

Luna looked fishy early but she made a post against Jack that looked genuine. Voted Mac too. Unlikely mafia.

Someone vig/modkill reywas plz.

DDL, do you mean niju's nutella vote? Here is her vote:

I’ll go nutella, then, simply because she has more votes besides Mac, and because Mac votes are apparently last minute, which, as you’ve said, is usually a mafia move.

Sorry, y’all - it’s been such a long time since I last played that I’m not used to checking or thinking about checking the thread.

I also dislike this vote. What is the point of voting someone who has the most votes next to Mac? And I totally disagree with the thought that last minute votes are usually a mafia move. I have seen plenty of people changing votes in games close to EOD who were not mafia. [mention]Elohcin[/mention] I know you said you see niju as a civ. I'll look in your ISO and see if you gave your thoughts about this vote and I've forgotten them but if you didn't, could you please give your thoughts now?

I don't know why but leetics post from last night makes me feel better about him slightly. Just slightly though, he is still in my view for a vote today.

I'll probably place a vote on one of these two soon.

[speedchuck]

- Confirming my role, which historically is a civ one.

Citation needed.

[juliets]

Neverwhere just genuinely looks too busy to be in this game. But looking back at her posts, she seems to be trying with each checkin instead of just making excuses. Also she's congratulated each scum lynch. I really want to town-read Neverwhere.

I reread the lowposters earlier today, and I came away thinking that neverwhere seemed ok too. I did not get the best feeling from Niju. I also tend to suspect Rey is bad every time he doesn’t show up. That’s an old school bias that I haven’t been able to shake, but I also would hate to lynch someone who is a no show. He’s not exactly doing any harm so I’m not sure whether he’s worth thinking about.

The one place it could be doing harm is if he is bad and Epi is allowing the team to use his power in his absence to compensate for them being short one player. I don't know how likely that is (though I have seen it in other games) so I'm going to vote for someone else today.

[Long Con]

What's an x-shot?

What's the nature of nova's insanity?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

- Confirming my role, which historically is a civ one.

Citation needed.

Dont remember seeing a bad version of it.

[novaselinenever]

What's the nature of nova's insanity?

[juliets]

What's an x-shot?

What's the nature of nova's insanity?

I think "x-shot" means the number of times the player can use their ability is limited. I hear it most often when people are talking about an ability that is a 1-shot, i.e., they can only use it once in a game.

[dunya]

"Do it Again
Wheel turning round and round

People often return to their vices, and you make sure that they do. Each Night, you will force someone to vote for the same person he or she voted for the Day before. In addition, that person will be forced to target the same individual he or she targeted the Night before, if any."

has anyone been targeted with this yet?

[dunya]

Neverwhere just genuinely looks too busy to be in this game. But looking back at her posts, she seems to be trying with each checkin instead of just making excuses. Also she's congratulated each scum lynch. I really want to town-read Neverwhere.

I reread the lowposters earlier today, and I came away thinking that neverwhere seemed ok too. I did not get the best feeling from Niju. I also tend to suspect Rey is bad every time he doesn’t show up. That’s an old school bias that I haven’t been able to shake, but I also would hate to lynch someone who is a no show. He’s not exactly doing any harm so I’m not sure whether he’s worth thinking about.

Can you explain the old school bias? Why does rey have to be bad over leetic for example?

He doesn’t. They could both/neither be bad. The os bias is that anyone who is a no show, or early disappearance, and doesn’t get replaced, is probably bad. This is how it would go: I would say “ I think the missing X should be lynched today since we aren’t sure about anyone else. Everyone says “no that’s awful. We can’t do that” finally X gets replaced. Two days later, everyone lynches him. Most times he was bad, but not always.

That, plus I recall Rey saying he hated being mafia. That has probably changed too.

i dunno, i've never played a game with him yet. i observed him in GG but it's a small sample for me to make any conclusive meta observations.

also, people did the same even last year about replacements to the point where hosts say "replacements will be replaced randomly or in the order of when the last post was made". so in this game, epi would go about replacing reywas first even if reywas is a civilian. doing anything else is tampering with fairness imo, though it sucks when a host feels like balance is affected and i've seen lots of hosts give mafia members the green light to submit actions on behalf of no shows. in fact, i don't remember a game where it wasn't allowed.

[Spacedaisy]

I have not, Notthat I’m aware of anyway. I’m trying to decide if I think that sounds like a mafia or civ role. Or 3P... I don’t generally think forcing votes is a civ ability. But Mac’s role came with cover for if his role was revealed, so I wonder if all the mafia roles came with that too? If so what does that say about people who have postulated there was a way that roles might be revealed before we started seeing them revealed?

[juliets]

I have not, Notthat I’m aware of anyway. I’m trying to decide if I think that sounds like a mafia or civ role. Or 3P... I don’t generally think forcing votes is a civ ability. But Mac’s role came with cover for if his role was revealed, so I wonder if all the mafia roles came with that too? If so what does that say about people who have postulated there was a way that roles might be revealed before we started seeing them revealed?

Daisy do you remember who postulated that?

[juliets]

"Do it Again
Wheel turning round and round

People often return to their vices, and you make sure that they do. Each Night, you will force someone to vote for the same person he or she voted for the Day before. In addition, that person will be forced to target the same individual he or she targeted the Night before, if any."

has anyone been targeted with this yet?

Not me.

[Kites]

here some thoughts

leetic - pops up every few days and asks what’s going on. the other game he/she is playing is apparently more important. has no opinions on anyone really. wants the focus off inactives. only vote so far on niju, day 4. all of this looks bad but... i’m inclined to say leetic is neutral (EW!) but civ leaning since playing civ is generally less exciting than mafia, the other game takes all of his/her time

lunalee - i liked her criticism of my read list. thinks the remaining mafia is likely among the inactives... and here

Spoiler: show

I wanna vote Luna but I’m secretly a huge softy and feel bad about her getting lynched a lot D1.

This makes me cringe. It reads like you know I'm town, and feel bad joining in on the lynch.

Okay I just reaalised how stupid it is to make a post for each person so here's one post for everyone left

Jesus fuck that Kites wall post is gold. I'm gonna read it some more after I get back to it but it's the biggest town look so far. So much sincerity.

How can you have such a different opinion on Kites's post? Crazy. It didn't look good to me at all (unless we aren't both talking about his read post?)

leetic has given us nothing sadly.

Long Con has given us more than leetic but his three miniscule posts actually kind of giving me negative vibes.

Lunalee on relook isn't really bugging me anymore.

lol, okay

I like Matahari and would subscribe to his newsletter.

Neverwhere is leetic but with green apologies. Cool.

Shit, I forgot I was playing! It's been too long.

I won't catch up now because I need to leave for trivia in like 10-20 minutes.

Who's suspicious, eh?

"Who's suspicious, eh?" is sig worthy stuff if niju is mafia. I don't think mafia niju makes this post. I think mafia niju just leaves the first sentence.

Already skimmed nova. Town. Look away.

nutella re-read makes me feel worse. I didn't really dwell on the oof spicy thing but it's really quite asinine in a bad way and I would 10/10 like to see her executed in the most painless fashion because I like her as a person.

What do you see in nutella's posts that make you feel "worse"?

reywas simply does not exist. Is reywas a figment of our imagination? Was reywas ever really here? Is reywas Keyser Soze? Does reywas have any loved ones that are out looking for him (bad joke sorry)? Should we send for help? Where are you reywas? Come home friend.

Spacedaisy is tough to get a read on. I would put her and Jay in the same bucket of "can always be anything and would never surprise". Wouldn't vote.

Speedchuck re-read makes me doubt my initial pings. I was going to give him a pass for posting while high but he's really not come to the dance since. Maybe he and Lunalee are off makin' babies. Do it for yer country.

LOL. He can't play the "high" card anymore. Keep him accountable.

Summary incoming.

surprisingly good hunches about these two, before there was wagons on them. almost too good. was after me at first but when the lynch was between mac and nutella, switched to mac right before eod, so.... suspicious imo

neverwhere seems to be too busy to play. it comes down to whether or not you believe it. i’m not that good at reading tones, so I don’t have an opinion. seems sincere but like I said I’m not good at judging this and I can be fooled

niju - another busy person. the most suspicious thing was appearing at the eod and choosing nutella over mac

if mafia, mac maybe asked to show up and save his ass in btsc
if civ, appearing at eod was a coincidence, had no time to read the posts and cast a quick vote after skimming


but then she also said that she chose nutella because she had more votes??

Spoiler: show

I’ll go nutella, then, simply because she has more votes besides Mac, and because Mac votes are apparently last minute, which, as you’ve said, is usually a mafia move.

Sorry, y’all - it’s been such a long time since I last played that I’m not used to checking or thinking about checking the thread.

this was at the very end of the day and I’m sure Mac had the lead by few votes, way before niju appeared... suspicious

reywas - well... hasn’t even checked in so I can’t be certain he has even seen his rolecard?? like others have said, should die but not waste a lynch on him

[Spacedaisy]

I have not, Notthat I’m aware of anyway. I’m trying to decide if I think that sounds like a mafia or civ role. Or 3P... I don’t generally think forcing votes is a civ ability. But Mac’s role came with cover for if his role was revealed, so I wonder if all the mafia roles came with that too? If so what does that say about people who have postulated there was a way that roles might be revealed before we started seeing them revealed?

Daisy do you remember who postulated that?

I don’t. I’ll have to go back and look. I am not sure when your role showed up either... so it makes it a tough line of inquiry to follow here. But I’ll see if I can’t find the earliest mentions of it.

[Spacedaisy]

"Do it Again
Wheel turning round and round

People often return to their vices, and you make sure that they do. Each Night, you will force someone to vote for the same person he or she voted for the Day before. In addition, that person will be forced to target the same individual he or she targeted the Night before, if any."

has anyone been targeted with this yet?

Not me.

Any thoughts on what you think the role alignment is for that? If we don’t have anyone saying they were targeted by it, we can probably narrow it down to a low poster or inactive so I think it’s worthwhile to discuss if we think it sounds like a mafia role.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

JaggedJimmyJay

I will explain why I have done this to you as the day nears its end.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: nijuukyugou] aubergine

[juliets]

"Do it Again
Wheel turning round and round

People often return to their vices, and you make sure that they do. Each Night, you will force someone to vote for the same person he or she voted for the Day before. In addition, that person will be forced to target the same individual he or she targeted the Night before, if any."

has anyone been targeted with this yet?

Not me.

Any thoughts on what you think the role alignment is for that? If we don’t have anyone saying they were targeted by it, we can probably narrow it down to a low poster or inactive so I think it’s worthwhile to discuss if we think it sounds like a mafia role.

The first part about making people return to their vices made me think it was a mafia role but I haven't read the song lyrics to see whether there is mention of vices and thats all that part is referring to. I'll read them and see if that helps.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't think niju's vote at EOD1 looks bad as an attempt to save Mac. Mac wasn't likely to be saved at that point, as the tally was 8-4 in his favor with seven minutes remaining to the deadline.

I just think her rationale for placing the vote regardless of where looked cooked.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Italics unintentional

[juliets]

"Do it Again
Wheel turning round and round

People often return to their vices, and you make sure that they do. Each Night, you will force someone to vote for the same person he or she voted for the Day before. In addition, that person will be forced to target the same individual he or she targeted the Night before, if any."

has anyone been targeted with this yet?

Not me.

Any thoughts on what you think the role alignment is for that? If we don’t have anyone saying they were targeted by it, we can probably narrow it down to a low poster or inactive so I think it’s worthwhile to discuss if we think it sounds like a mafia role.

The first part about making people return to their vices made me think it was a mafia role but I haven't read the song lyrics to see whether there is mention of vices and thats all that part is referring to. I'll read them and see if that helps.

Well, there was no mention of the word vices but an explanation of the song says it is about drug addiction so maybe that's why Epi used the word. So bottom line, I can't tell if it's mafia or not.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have no reason at all to call leetic a civilian. There are no interactive points in his favor, and none of his posts look particularly "good" to me.

Neverwhere has at a few isolated moments exhibited a decent tone. This apology is an example. I like this tone too. It's not much, but it's more than zero.

I thought her Jack interactions were a slight positive tick for Luna. More tha zero.

7 of niju's 11 posts feature some kind of comment relating to her not being here. To be fair Neverwhere's ratio is similar. Among the four though niju is the only one for whom I have active suspicion.