MU Season 6 Scrimmage [GAME OVER]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'll make a final call soon.

Where are you at on Ultra? I'm expecting more fire striking back especially after that "possibly you" about poo flinging D0.

I'd lynch him. His read on me never progressed from its origin as though none of my other posts are relevant.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Ultra] aubergine

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I'm not impressed by Soneji's appearance. Stand by.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

Owner, Epi and DDL voting Nova together makes me sick.

How do you read Epi and DDL?

And what does scum Nova look like versus the town variety?

I'm not caught up, but want to try to get a better handle on things.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

I really like these new people. They have personalities, and confidence... it's almost like they are real functioning humans.

Can you be a little less vague and give some more specifics? Like which newer peoples you find townie and what not and which regular folk are more so not human like?

I wasn't speaking to alignment at all

Sometimes, it is important to look at what is not being said.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

There are two day phases ending at the same time. I have voted in this one but not in the other.

So... see you next phase.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Possibly, by you.

I don't need "possibly". What are you referring to?

Defend someone by attacking their accuser.

Since you're here elaborate on that vote

I think DDL got snagged by a booby trap. No lynches are horrendous, and I thought it looked evident that speedchuck wasn't serious in his recommendation.

As a former advocate for no lynch, I've caught a good amount of scum by looking at how people respond to it. To me, it wasn't immediately obvious as a joke but for DDL whose likely played with Speedchuck a good amount it probably should be.

Soneji gently nudges forward a case against DDL by suggesting here that he ought to have known speedchuck was joking about a no lynch.

You barely post any memorable content and now you're here making bullet points against the easiest target?

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Then in the next breath he jams a vote on Dragomir for making a case against the "easiest target" (DDL).

This allows Soneji to rest on both sides of the DDL fence implicitly. In neither instance did he specifically say "DDL is good" or "DDL is bad", but they can be extracted from the words by inference.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

weak townreads on jjj and mac

Gemma reads have arrived. Can you describe then how you came to these perceptions, or better yet show me the posts? I'm trying to unlock the secrets of the process by which new Syndicate user Gemma generates a stance.

[Soneji]

Possibly, by you.

I don't need "possibly". What are you referring to?

Defend someone by attacking their accuser.

Since you're here elaborate on that vote

I think DDL got snagged by a booby trap. No lynches are horrendous, and I thought it looked evident that speedchuck wasn't serious in his recommendation.

As a former advocate for no lynch, I've caught a good amount of scum by looking at how people respond to it. To me, it wasn't immediately obvious as a joke but for DDL whose likely played with Speedchuck a good amount it probably should be.

Soneji gently nudges forward a case against DDL by suggesting here that he ought to have known speedchuck was joking about a no lynch.

You barely post any memorable content and now you're here making bullet points against the easiest target?

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Then in the next breath he jams a vote on Dragomir for making a case against the "easiest target" (DDL).

This allows Soneji to rest on both sides of the DDL fence implicitly. In neither instance did he specifically say "DDL is good" or "DDL is bad", but they can be extracted from the words by inference.

You could say that, I'm very familiar with DDL mislynches and his tone in later posts have been good so I'm inclined to place that over the no lynch scumtell and not pursue his lynch today.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

This is devoid of both punctuation and clarity.

Maybe he meant it to be a question.

I'm comfortable with my nova vote. My hope is that he gets lynched, is revealed to be mafia, and will henceforth and forever be monitoring his question mark usage.

FoS Epignosis, why you have go use those emojis?

I'm not sure if I even like your vote on nova, even though it looks like you kind of explain it in the post that I'm partially quoting from.

Your vote at the time seemed bandwagony or opportunistic.

Your reason at the time went like "2/3 of my town reads are voting nova so I'm gonna vote there too".

Epignosis has too much faith or trust in myself and DDL. Or it feels like it is too early to have that kind of trust between myself and someone who I haven't really played with. I'm not sure if like that.

I think some of Epignosis carefree posts were meant to pocket me. (not sure though)

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

MODS, why are there two Dragon D. Luffys on Nova? Did someone change their name or what?

@Sloonei

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

MODS, why are there two Dragon D. Luffys on Nova? Did someone change their name or what?

@Sloonei

now it is back to normal...idk what happened

[JaggedJimmyJay]

A concern about Epi's case against nova:

The crux of his beefs is that nova has asked numerous questions without follow-up or without going anywhere. I don't know that this is a fair or accurate representation of nova's post history. It isn't difficult to find stances that nova has taken on various people. Indeed I think nova has covered a wide spectrum of the player roster in his various discussions.

Do all of nova's reads need to be tied back to some specific question he asked? Meh. It's a nitpick more than it's a case. Facilitation of a well-paced Mafia game often requires asking questions, per the Sloonei Bible.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MODS, why are there two Dragon D. Luffys on Nova? Did someone change their name or what?

Sloonei

now it is back to normal...idk what happened

Sometimes the poll names glitch like that -- it usually goes away with a page refresh.

[Owner of a Lonely Heart]

nova do you want to help me solve the game

Of course. What do you have?

not much lol

weak townreads on jjj and mac

owner's scumread on you is... something. i don't know how to talk about it but if the mod confirmed for me that she was town then i would have to assume that it was some kind of eccentric variation of a toneread?

The problem is everyone has role. So it makes it harder to figure out who is scum and who is not, because everyone in this game has something to hide.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m multigaming and about to jump on the Nutella champs game. There are no players in common besides me in these three games and my mind is fried.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You could say that, I'm very familiar with DDL mislynches and his tone in later posts have been good so I'm inclined to place that over the no lynch scumtell and not pursue his lynch today.

How do you feel about the other players currently receiving votes?

[novaselinenever]

All right, I'm back earlier than I expected

[Dragon D. Luffy]

MODS, why are there two Dragon D. Luffys on Nova? Did someone change their name or what?

@Sloonei

now it is back to normal...idk what happened

This happens all the time. Just F5.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

All right, I'm back earlier than I expected

Whaddya think of Epi?

[Soneji]

You could say that, I'm very familiar with DDL mislynches and his tone in later posts have been good so I'm inclined to place that over the no lynch scumtell and not pursue his lynch today.

How do you feel about the other players currently receiving votes?

nova : I can see what those pushing him are and get a slight scum vibe from him.

Owner : Thought her case against you and the pre-flip association post I quoted were wack.

Epi : Thought he was really reaching with some of his FoS's, to the point they felt fake.

Ultra : They haven't gone as hard as I would normally expect from them, no particular scum vibes though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You could say that, I'm very familiar with DDL mislynches and his tone in later posts have been good so I'm inclined to place that over the no lynch scumtell and not pursue his lynch today.

How do you feel about the other players currently receiving votes?

nova : I can see what those pushing him are and get a slight scum vibe from him.

Owner : Thought her case against you and the pre-flip association post I quoted were wack.

Epi : Thought he was really reaching with some of his FoS's, to the point they felt fake.

Ultra : They haven't gone as hard as I would normally expect from them, no particular scum vibes though.

If Dragomir isn't happening, who among these people (or otherwise) are you most inclined to lynch?

[novaselinenever]

All right, I'm back earlier than I expected

Whaddya think of Epi?

Bag of mixed feelings. His case on me is absolutely shite lol, but I don't know I could see civ Epi believing that. I'm getting playful Community Epi vibes rather than flooding the thread World Flag's Epi vibes. It's light.

One thing I hated though was his interaction with Gemma about his stance on you. He kept baiting and switching, basically avoiding giving his thoughts on your play this game so far.

[novaselinenever]

You could say that, I'm very familiar with DDL mislynches and his tone in later posts have been good so I'm inclined to place that over the no lynch scumtell and not pursue his lynch today.

How do you feel about the other players currently receiving votes?

nova : I can see what those pushing him are and get a slight scum vibe from him.

Owner : Thought her case against you and the pre-flip association post I quoted were wack.

Epi : Thought he was really reaching with some of his FoS's, to the point they felt fake.

Ultra : They haven't gone as hard as I would normally expect from them, no particular scum vibes though.

You're having doubts about 2 of 3 voting me, yet "I can see what those pushing him are"?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

It's not my favorite thing that Dragomir posted his crusade for a DDL lynch and hasn't done anything since while the thread moves in various other directions.

[novaselinenever]

DDL is an interesting one. He doesn't seem to be budging at all. Main thing bugging me is that he isn't going past surface level and is content with "asked too many question. I haven't seen him talk about my stance and thoughts at all, nor what he disagrees with what is fake. I mean if I'm bad those must be fake.

When Mac prodded him about his case, he was mostly refusing to take anything into consideration and started to hide behind meta.Branded my civilian self as a hound dog, and he wasn't being hounded he called it a day lol.

[novaselinenever]

Civ DDL is the brasilian nutella, so the lack of reconsideration and development is weirding me out.

[novaselinenever]

GTH Drago is civ

[novaselinenever]

I liked the Owner stuff

[novaselinenever]

What do you have on Mac, Jay?

[Soneji]

You could say that, I'm very familiar with DDL mislynches and his tone in later posts have been good so I'm inclined to place that over the no lynch scumtell and not pursue his lynch today.

How do you feel about the other players currently receiving votes?

nova : I can see what those pushing him are and get a slight scum vibe from him.

Owner : Thought her case against you and the pre-flip association post I quoted were wack.

Epi : Thought he was really reaching with some of his FoS's, to the point they felt fake.

Ultra : They haven't gone as hard as I would normally expect from them, no particular scum vibes though.

If Dragomir isn't happening, who among these people (or otherwise) are you most inclined to lynch?

Epignosis, their posting has been the worst overall of those four.

You could say that, I'm very familiar with DDL mislynches and his tone in later posts have been good so I'm inclined to place that over the no lynch scumtell and not pursue his lynch today.

How do you feel about the other players currently receiving votes?

nova : I can see what those pushing him are and get a slight scum vibe from him.

Owner : Thought her case against you and the pre-flip association post I quoted were wack.

Epi : Thought he was really reaching with some of his FoS's, to the point they felt fake.

Ultra : They haven't gone as hard as I would normally expect from them, no particular scum vibes though.

You're having doubts about 2 of 3 voting me, yet "I can see what those pushing him are"?

Agreeing with their reasoning on you doesn't disqualify me from not liking their posts overall.

[novaselinenever]

You could say that, I'm very familiar with DDL mislynches and his tone in later posts have been good so I'm inclined to place that over the no lynch scumtell and not pursue his lynch today.

How do you feel about the other players currently receiving votes?

nova : I can see what those pushing him are and get a slight scum vibe from him.

Owner : Thought her case against you and the pre-flip association post I quoted were wack.

Epi : Thought he was really reaching with some of his FoS's, to the point they felt fake.

Ultra : They haven't gone as hard as I would normally expect from them, no particular scum vibes though.

You're having doubts about 2 of 3 voting me, yet "I can see what those pushing him are"?

Agreeing with their reasoning on you doesn't disqualify me from not liking their posts overall.

What is the reasoning you agree with?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Bag of mixed feelings. His case on me is absolutely shite lol, but I don't know I could see civ Epi believing that. I'm getting playful Community Epi vibes rather than flooding the thread World Flag's Epi vibes. It's light.

I just went back and briefly glanced through his posts in those games. K. I struggle to describe a clear difference. Perhaps World Flags Epi was more fond of one-liners and less interested in A Big Case (a la the one he built on you here).

It's light.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

What do you have on Mac, Jay?

Shouting and carrying on about his own shit in a way that doesn't reflect what was just seen in [not talking about another live game]. GTH good

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I liked the Owner stuff

Stuff from Owner or stuff about Owner? Which stuff?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have about 15 minutes and then I am gone through the deadline.

[novaselinenever]

I liked the Owner stuff

Stuff from Owner or stuff about Owner? Which stuff?

Drago's stuff on Owner. I absolutely hate much of Owner's own stuff lol.

I could see his train of thoughts there. The way he stumbles through the post trying to explain the vibe he was getting feels genuine.

[novaselinenever]

I have about 15 minutes and then I am gone through the deadline.

Give me a rainbow

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I have about 15 minutes and then I am gone through the deadline.

Give me a rainbow

Sure. Give me a rainbow

[novaselinenever]

I'm still underwhelmed to be quite honest Jay. I don't know, something missing.

Linki -

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Gemma is still short on productivity considering that post count.

[novaselinenever]

You have over a 100 posts, but your presence doesn't feel that strong. Most of your posts aren't memorable, that's not something I'd have ever imagined.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Luxurious

Dragon D. Luffy
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
MacDougall
novaselinenever
speedchuck

JessieKruger
Tsaiah

Dragomir
Gemma
M Plus 7
Owner of a Lonely Heart
rundontwalk2
Soneji
Ultra

Tiers are alphabetical.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

You have over a 100 posts, but your presence doesn't feel that strong. Most of your posts aren't memorable, that's not something I'd have ever imagined.

There may be a tangible cause for such a thing: generally I am able to maintain that constant presence such that I am literally here constantly -- pestering people every time they show up to the thread. This time I've been relegated to a more sporadic role of catching up and talking to myself by way of finals week and being in two games.

Whatever. I'm good. It'll show.

I have to leave now. Vote stays.

[Dragomir]

-His retreat after being confronted for his vote on Chuck was just bad. It just reeked of trying to appear better after realizing how bad they looked for what they did. This kinda self-awareness is very much from a scum POV and him admitting to it ain't really that much either as something so obvious, you're better off admitting then trying to find excuses.

I don't quite understand the highlighted portion. Please restate somehow. And then tell me what you think a civilian DDL does in this situation to recover from his derp moment.

Ok, I'm back from school now. Can start posting.

What I mean by the highlighted part is that him admitting to saving face does not mean much since DDL trying to save face was very obvious and denying it would only make it worse for him. I don't know how a civ DDL would react to such a thing, I just know that retreat was quite scummy.

[Epignosis]

epig shaded jjj with what i thought was a really bad question

Tell me more.

i think he was going out of his way to try to make you look bad

Ordinarily I go out of my way to do that regardless. It's fun.

[Epignosis]

"Owner saw a mac shit post and is making a big deal out of it, what a fucken townie."

- Literally you guys.

There's far more nuance to what I said than that.

[Epignosis]

I read nova's posts (yes, after I voted for him- I am above chronology ).

I'm not impressed.

The first sixteen posts are mainly dicking around.

I don't like Soneji's entrance. I get the timid ones, especially for someone new to the community and the site but the old cracking a joke as an ice-breaker followed by absolutely nothing is shit.

"Someone new to the community" is like half the field, and these people are decidedly not timid.

@novaselinenever

Reads please

I'm currently beefing with Rundon'twalk and Soneji. I'm not really buying the formers concern with Jay sticking him as good early on, and the whole "he knows I play the same as both alignments" is whack. That has never stopped people from forming read, let alone gut ones. If what he claims is true and Jay knows him well, he should also know Jay well and that flinging poo early on alongside sticking people with an alignment based on first impression is his bread and butter. I think I talked about Soneji's entrance sometime earlier.

The whole no lynch thing is hilarious, and I'm more intrigued by DDL jumping on Speed than the latter making that claim. I took it as him messing around, 'cause I don't believe for a second that he's serious about it.

I can't say I'm a fan of you calling out the vote on DDL, nor throwing around fancy words like "chainsaw defense". Feels like over-compensating

DDL gets his Fruit of the Looms in a wad over things sometimes, and he spoke up about this one.

If DDL were bad here, and there's a guy in the thread pushing a Day 1 no-lynch (even when it's obvious he's not doing that), why go to bat? Stay in the dugout.

Also fuck these ball players today.

nova has asked a lot of questions but has not meaningfully followed up on them. Here's an example. There are thirty-four question marks in nova's posting history, and he has forty-two posts. I know some of those question marks belong to other people, but damn. He doesn't go anywhere with any of them.

Holy shit bananas, there are even questions without question marks.

And so little follow through.

Epi isn't making a whole lot of sense

This is devoid of both punctuation and clarity.

Maybe he meant it to be a question.

I'm comfortable with my nova vote. My hope is that he gets lynched, is revealed to be mafia, and will henceforth and forever be monitoring his question mark usage.

I'm not getting lynched so don't get your hopes up but I'm sure I'll end up dying during this game and you'll see me revealed as my beautiful town self.

I didn't mean it to be a question. I was referring to your Jay stuff when you were asked about your stance on him. "Always bad until convinced otherwise", then turning it into "I don't give civilian reads like candy bla bla bla" is whack. You don't have to give him a civilian read, but at least you could share what his posts were making you feel at the time. You were avoiding giving a stance on him

I don't avoid shit.

Well, I do avoid literal shit.

Unlike MP.

[Luxurious]

Spoiler: show

Ultra is kind of guilty of exactly what he accused Jay of. I don't care much how he branded the vote saying it reeks of "chainsaw defense" before he actually delved into it. Feels like he's detached from the suspicions and he's following a textbook on how to play mafia and build cases lol.

Have you played with Ultra before? Are these the suspicions he has or the suspicions against him?

We've played once before, but we've crossed path a few times (player/host in each other's games). I'm referring to his suspicion of Jay.

Any chance you can quick link me to a post (or a few)

DDL taking opportunities to answer soft questions and discredit early effort before it exists. bad

What is the point of D0 if we can't lynch anyone?

With this mindset you ensure that it cannot have a point. bad

Eh. D0 isn't useless, but it does present a lot of opportunity to shade people over NAI.

By the way, your powerpoint is unintentionally hilarious.

Hmm... we dont have any information to work on yet, so we should probably no lynch d1.

[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine

[VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

This reeks of chainsaw defense.

Eh. D0 isn't useless, but it does present a lot of opportunity to shade people over NAI.

Has anyone been shaded over NAI?

Possibly, by you.

By the way, your powerpoint is unintentionally hilarious.

I'm going to choose to interpret that as being complimentary.

That's the spirit.

This reeks of chainsaw defense.

I don't know what that means.

Defend someone by attacking their accuser.

Since you're here elaborate on that vote
[/quote]

Possibly, by you.

I don't need "possibly". What are you referring to?

Defend someone by attacking their accuser.

Since you're here elaborate on that vote

I think DDL got snagged by a booby trap. No lynches are horrendous, and I thought it looked evident that speedchuck wasn't serious in his recommendation.

I think holding someone accountable for saying Day Zeros are less valuable is a bit pushy, especially considering they in fact are. Now, if someone was using "Wait, I said that D0, it doesn't count!" as a defense, or as a reason to dismiss a case, that is categorically scummy. But outside of that context, there's no apparent scum motive to stating the obvious, other than perhaps appearing blendy.

Reaction posts can also carry a scum motive, so this sounds like TMI on speedchuck

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL

This is up the wrong tree at best.

Speed didn’t need Jay to defend Speed from something that a bunch of players would think makes DDL look bad and doesn’t make Speed look bad.

wat

THIS IS UP THE WRONG TREE AT BEST!

SPEED DIDN’T NEED JAY TO DEFEND SPEED FROM SOMETHING THAT A BUNCH OF PLAYERS WOULD THINK MAKES DDL LOOK BAD AND DOESN’T MAKE SPEED LOOK BAD!

Still don't quite understand, but I think you misinterpreted my vote so I'll elaborate again. JJJ made an opportunistic vote by voting a player who appeared to make a "bad vote". If speed is town, this is fairly wolfy, as otherwise he would not be so confident that the vote was bad.

[/quote]

Okay I see why everyone thinks he’s a hypocrite

[Luxurious]

Considering we have 4 minutes left Im gonna sheep my vote since I dont have time to get a CFD going
[VOTE: ultra] aubergine