Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[dunya]

luna lie detection next day. Change lynch.

Who should we lynch?

[Lunalee]

luna lie detection next day. Change lynch.

Who should we lynch?

DDL/Jay/Spacedaisy

[juliets]

Oh good @dunya you're here. Why are so many voting Luna if she is a lie detector? Doesn't seem like that would be a very helpful role for the mafia.

The roles are pointless to attribute alignment. That's the whole point. Jack was a fake doctor. Leetic was a silencer. Outside of this claim, why is Luna town? Speedchuck said she told him she was a role cop. That's a significant inconsistency. I am waiting for host clarification on Jay's "Lie detector" blip. I should be doing other things now but I'm glued to mafia. Shame on me.

Yeah, Jay is gone to a hockey game and didn't seem like he would be back before EOD. I know you should be doing other things, you have so much to do. Also, Luna hasn't done anything I guess to make me call her civ it's just that I would like for her to be able to explain this whole mess from her viewpoint. I guess a lie detector could be mafia but I just don't get it if it is. I had an easier time believing a role cop could be mafia.

Would you have believed a silencer was town?

I've actually seen town silencers. The argument that got to me was Jay's point about not having a silencer and insanifier both on the town team but lol joke's on him with that one.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I need someone to look through all of the pages of Day 6 for any mention of lie detection before I brought it up.

[dunya]

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

[juliets]

luna lie detection next day. Change lynch.

Who should we lynch?

DDL/Jay/Spacedaisy

Have you been able to lie detect any of these people and find them lying?

DDL

Jay

Spacedaisy

[dunya]

I'm doing it [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

[Lunalee]

luna lie detection next day. Change lynch.

Who should we lynch?

DDL/Jay/Spacedaisy

Have you been able to lie detect any of these people and find them lying?

DDL

Jay

Spacedaisy

next day

[Lunalee]

luna lie detection next day. Change lynch.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] [mention]speedchuck[/mention] [mention]Elohcin[/mention] [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

[juliets]

luna lie detection next day. Change lynch.

Who should we lynch?

DDL/Jay/Spacedaisy

Have you been able to lie detect any of these people and find them lying?

DDL

Jay

Spacedaisy

next day

ok thanks.

[dunya]

The mafia utility of a lie detector is of course limited. It isn't non-existent though, as it can help them to distinguish fake civilian role/action claims and build their game theory. Obviously a silencer like leetic is just about worthless as a civilian role anyway, so the setup does not care about these things.

I would lynch her. I'm not impressed by a vote on me based on my own voting record.

What I would most like to do today and will absolutely not be able to do is check the interactions of living pairs and find the most appropriate teams. Someone else might be able to help me out though. I don't need a huge ISO review post. I just want someone to check them out, come to a conclusion, and share that conclusion. Start with these interactions:

DDL/Elohcin
DDL/Luna
Luna/Elohcin

If you want, go beyond that. Add Neverwhere and all of the two-way interactions that she can be featured in. Figure out who makes sense as mafia teammates and who doesn't. That can help narrow things down a lot.

Jay, from page 64 where Epi announced start of Day 6 till this post no one mentioned lie detect. What's up?

[dunya]

luna lie detection next day. Change lynch.

@Long Con @speedchuck @Elohcin @JaggedJimmyJay

You cant promise a lie detect if we don't coordinate the lynch and numbers.

Did you predict DDL is going to be lynched?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think a post was deleted. I don’t want to say more; it’s not my place. Dunno what you’ll be told if anything

[dunya]

I don't know how I feel about all of this. Very cloudy. With a chance of raining meatballs

[juliets]

I don't know how I feel about all of this. Very cloudy. With a chance of raining meatballs

Agreed.

[dunya]

What are you thinking juliets?

[dunya]

Does day end in 30 minutes?

[juliets]

What are you thinking juliets?

I'm thinking I'm confused as hell.

I lean toward wanting to give luna a chance though. There is something funky going on and we're missing some pieces.

linki - I don't think so I'll go look

[juliets]

Day ends at 7:48 our time which is about an hour and 30+ minutes away.

[juliets]

[mention]dunya[/mention] ^ ^

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I would lynch DDL. [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

[juliets]

ok [mention]Lunalee[/mention] I'll vote DDL to and break the tie. I do want to hear what you have to say.

[Spacedaisy]

i'm concerned daisy has kind of dropped off activity wise after everyone's sort of unanimous town read on her.

I think I expressed concern about this same thing earlier (either that or I thought it). The Jack stuff was so strong but the drop off concerns me. @Spacedaisy I'm alerting you because you might want to respond to this. Also, how do you feel about the mata stuff? I notice you came in and commented but did not comment on this most recent information.

I appreciate the alert. I did see it. I have dropped off in activity some since then but it’s unrelated. I am less vocal when I feel like I can’t get a solid suspicion under me. I am caught up and I comment when something strikes me.

[Long Con]

Should I vote DDL then? For the numbers toward the lie detect? But he asked us specifically to not do this.

[juliets]

Should I vote DDL then? For the numbers toward the lie detect? But he asked us specifically to not do this.

Yeah I just remembered that Long Con. I am concerned.

[juliets]

Should I vote DDL then? For the numbers toward the lie detect? But he asked us specifically to not do this.

Yeah I just remembered that Long Con. I am concerned.

Maybe I'll end up going back to Elo.

[juliets]

This was the last thing he said:

Im going to uni. Don't hot potato me kthxbye.

Ugh.

[juliets]

I'm going back to Elo. She's been here and didn't have anything to say. DDL will still be ahead. I just can't vote him after he specifically asked us not to while he was at uni. The Mac case was different for me. I'm not as sure about DDL.

[dunya]

I feel bad about it too, but I'm still not sold on Eloh.

Why are you voting Eloh jules?

[dunya]

I'm more concerned with how Lunalee didn't care to direct us who to vote for and how many votes she predicted in order to "prove her role" whatever that means in this setup.

I don't like that.

[dunya]

Saying "I'll prove it tomorrow" is cool and all and made me back off but you just told us that you have to predict how many people lynch someone. Providing us with no direction seems shady to me.

[juliets]

I feel bad about it too, but I'm still not sold on Eloh.

Why are you voting Eloh jules?

I just don't think she is acting like a civ. That post at Mac's eod for one - I know people are saying would a mafia Elo do that? I say she would - I think she just lost her temper because she was so angry he was getting voted off while he was asleep. I just can't find posts that say "here is a civ". And her tone feels off to me. I could be dead wrong but I don't feel this is the same Elo that was in GG.

[dunya]

I feel bad about it too, but I'm still not sold on Eloh.

Why are you voting Eloh jules?

I just don't think she is acting like a civ. That post at Mac's eod for one - I know people are saying would a mafia Elo do that? I say she would - I think she just lost her temper because she was so angry he was getting voted off while he was asleep. I just can't find posts that say "here is a civ". And her tone feels off to me. I could be dead wrong but I don't feel this is the same Elo that was in GG.

Fair. Do you think the size and pace of the game could be contributing factors? Kinda hard to compare this beast to GG that had like 2 new posts every phase after you and Jay died lol.

[juliets]

Saying "I'll prove it tomorrow" is cool and all and made me back off but you just told us that you have to predict how many people lynch someone. Providing us with no direction seems shady to me.

I thought she had to predict how many people voted in the Lynch, not how many voted for the person who died. But there's been so much confusion about her role I don't know what to believe any more.

[dunya]

I feel the worst about having to defend Eloh more than Eloh is willing to defend herself. That's the one beef I can state.

[juliets]

I feel the worst about having to defend Eloh more than Eloh is willing to defend herself. That's the one beef I can state.

Yes thats the other thing. I don't think she's even reading the posts, much less responding to them. Maybe she's just totally checked out and is here just as a warm body for Epi's game.

[dunya]

Saying "I'll prove it tomorrow" is cool and all and made me back off but you just told us that you have to predict how many people lynch someone. Providing us with no direction seems shady to me.

I thought she had to predict how many people voted in the Lynch, not how many voted for the person who died. But there's been so much confusion about her role I don't know what to believe any more.

I don't know. I hate everything about this "lie detector" claim.

[juliets]

Saying "I'll prove it tomorrow" is cool and all and made me back off but you just told us that you have to predict how many people lynch someone. Providing us with no direction seems shady to me.

I thought she had to predict how many people voted in the Lynch, not how many voted for the person who died. But there's been so much confusion about her role I don't know what to believe any more.

I don't know. I hate everything about this "lie detector" claim.

Yes, the only thing I'm convinced of is that somewhere in her role the words "lie" and "detector" exist because she was able to say them for me.

[dunya]

Saying "I'll prove it tomorrow" is cool and all and made me back off but you just told us that you have to predict how many people lynch someone. Providing us with no direction seems shady to me.

I thought she had to predict how many people voted in the Lynch, not how many voted for the person who died. But there's been so much confusion about her role I don't know what to believe any more.

I don't know. I hate everything about this "lie detector" claim.

Yes, the only thing I'm convinced of is that somewhere in her role the words "lie" and "detector" exist because she was able to say them for me.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] does Luna have to predict total number of people who vote in the day phase or total number of people who vote to execute a lynch on anyone?

[juliets]

[mention]Elohcin[/mention] if you come back on would you please tell us some civ things you have done this game?

[dunya]

We planned in BTSC not to vote till the last second for reasons related to her role.

Confused

[dunya]

Like, this is essential. If it's the latter, I'm voting Luna.

[juliets]

Like, this is essential. If it's the latter, I'm voting Luna.

Did Luna say she had to guess the total number of people who voted the person who was lynched? I mean, don't take what I said as gospel because I could have misunderstood what speed said. It would be very easy on this particular issue.

[dunya]

I feel the worst about having to defend Eloh more than Eloh is willing to defend herself. That's the one beef I can state.

Yes thats the other thing. I don't think she's even reading the posts, much less responding to them.

Is that a mafia Eloh? I thought she's won the most games as mafia on The Syndicate. Seems a feat if she accomplishes that while lurking. Is she usually this disconnected? I don't remember it of her mafia play in Mountains (except for excuses why she wasn't caught up all the time). I don't feel like she's making as many excuses this game. Am I overanalyzing this? Maybe.

[juliets]

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] which is true?

You have to predict the number of people who vote for the person who is ultimately lynched

or

You have to predict the number of people who vote in the lynch, no matter who they vote for

or

Neither

[dunya]

Like, this is essential. If it's the latter, I'm voting Luna.

Did Luna say she had to guess the total number of people who voted the person who was lynched? I mean, don't take what I said as gospel because I could have misunderstood what speed said. It would be very easy on this particular issue.

I thought speed said guess the number of people on the lynch. I need to find the post

[dunya]

predict number nine?

you predict the ninth person to vote?

Predict the number of people that voted in the lynch

[mention]juliets[/mention] here it is. I'm not an English analyst but that sounds like people who voted in the lynch of person who is lynched? Otherwise he'd say predict the number of people who vote on any day?

[dunya]

I can't guess english meaning sucks no one's here to help us

[juliets]

I feel the worst about having to defend Eloh more than Eloh is willing to defend herself. That's the one beef I can state.

Yes thats the other thing. I don't think she's even reading the posts, much less responding to them.

Is that a mafia Eloh? I thought she's won the most games as mafia on The Syndicate. Seems a feat if she accomplishes that while lurking. Is she usually this disconnected? I don't remember it of her mafia play in Mountains (except for excuses why she wasn't caught up all the time). I don't feel like she's making as many excuses this game. Am I overanalyzing this? Maybe.

You may be right. It's true that excuses are an indicator of her baddie game and I haven't seen as many here. I don't think she's really lurking on this game, she just comes in, says something without contributing and leaves. I'm not sure if that is indicative of bad Eloh. It just leaves me with a bad feeling. You are convinced she is good, maybe I should follow your lead. At this point though I don't want to vote Luna or DDL.

linki: I think speed's post says what I was thinking - the number of people who voted in the Lynch, not the number of people who voted for the Lynch

[juliets]

yes, where is everyone?