Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[dunya]

i have no idea what WYSIWYG means

[dunya]

[mention]Elohcin[/mention] - are you saying you think me and jay can be bad together? lol. that would be pretty epic, i gotta say, but it really made me laugh.

hot potato is the nice way of saying that word when people last minute choose to lynch someone else.

[juliets]

This would be my POE and in specific order. Jay/Dunya are together only b/c I view them as the same baddiness. Please look, read, and refute so I can narrow it down if possible.

Daisy
Kites
LC
Jay/Dunya
Luna

dunya - this one is difficult for the same reasons as Jay (note I am starting from the bottom of my list and working my way up)

JaggedJimmyJay - I could go either way on him. He puts so much time and effort into those walls of texts. It really could be a big civ move or a great effort to look that way.

juliets - civ in my opinion. really helpful in trying to find the bad guys.

Kites - one of my top suspects. I have questioned him from almost the beginning. I remember reading on ONE post from him that had me thinking he MIGHT be civ.

Long Con - sittin' pretty over there on his civilian throne. I do wonder though, as luna brought up, if he could be tricking us all. It would be the ultimate mafia win for him to get away with playing so lazily. I am a bit suspicious on the fact that he is playing so lazily like he doesn't care, but he has voted every lynch (like he brought up). I am not sure that voting every lynch but being so distant in the thread is a good look.

Lunalee - still unsure of this chick. If she was is telling the truth about why she was not participating at one point and how she finally had time to get involved, then the rest of her behavior looks pretty civ.

Spacedaisy - worries me as being what you all call a "deep wolf". She is a pretty sneaky on, imo.

speedchuck - I am thinking civ. I feel like I don't know much more about him now than I did when he was hyped up on medication.

Nice reads list Elo.

I'm leaning civ on Kites right now because I've liked some of his recent posts. I'll retrieve one or two that I liked/

Spacedaisy would be my tinfoil suspicion right now because she hasn't been around much and didn't have any suspects when she was on last night.

Jay/dunya - really hard for me to judge these two. dunya would laugh if there were a mafia stump in the game and I would die laughing if both of them were bad together.

Luna/speed - I'm leaning civ on both right now. I feel better about speed than Luna though.

linki - WYSIWYG means What You See Is What You Get

[Kites]

if epi has made a mafia stump in this game, i will laugh until next month.

yeah I’m not counting out that possibility since alignments and roles seem to be randomly assigned. but i don’t I’m not concerned about her really

my biggest fear is that the mafia team sacrificed jack to make long con a confirmed civ in everyone’s eyes

[Elohcin]

what is WYSIWYG

[Elohcin]

oh sorry, I didn't see the next pg

[Kites]

I don’t know
someone tell me what POE means

[dunya]

process of elimination [mention]Kites[/mention]

so like we go through everyone left and make a small list of suspects based on who we town read. i have no idea if that's the correct definition, but that's what i do

[dunya]

if epi has made a mafia stump in this game, i will laugh until next month.

yeah I’m not counting out that possibility since alignments and roles seem to be randomly assigned. but i don’t I’m not concerned about her really

my biggest fear is that the mafia team sacrificed jack to make long con a confirmed civ in everyone’s eyes

couldn't jack have done that? jack was way deeper into the game.

[Elohcin]

@Elohcin - are you saying you think me and jay can be bad together? lol. that would be pretty epic, i gotta say, but it really made me laugh.

hot potato is the nice way of saying that word when people last minute choose to lynch someone else.

I said why I put y'all together...and it isn't b/c I think you are teammates. And the hot potato as you call it was just trying to save my own ass. Plus, I did mention earlier I thought DDL could have been a deep wolf

[Elohcin]

if epi has made a mafia stump in this game, i will laugh until next month.

yeah I’m not counting out that possibility since alignments and roles seem to be randomly assigned. but i don’t I’m not concerned about her really

my biggest fear is that the mafia team sacrificed jack to make long con a confirmed civ in everyone’s eyes

couldn't jack have done that? jack was way deeper into the game.

I'm glad I am not the only one thinking this way about LC

[Elohcin]

okay, I have to break from mafia for a bit. Juliets, thank you for your feedback on my reads.

[Kites]

if epi has made a mafia stump in this game, i will laugh until next month.

yeah I’m not counting out that possibility since alignments and roles seem to be randomly assigned. but i don’t I’m not concerned about her really

my biggest fear is that the mafia team sacrificed jack to make long con a confirmed civ in everyone’s eyes

couldn't jack have done that? jack was way deeper into the game.

hmm good point actually, but also consider people can be dumb
doesn’t matter, long con is a civ in my eyes

you think mafia would get rid of him the night before we would get to lylo?

[dunya]

if epi has made a mafia stump in this game, i will laugh until next month.

yeah I’m not counting out that possibility since alignments and roles seem to be randomly assigned. but i don’t I’m not concerned about her really

my biggest fear is that the mafia team sacrificed jack to make long con a confirmed civ in everyone’s eyes

couldn't jack have done that? jack was way deeper into the game.

I'm glad I am not the only one thinking this way about LC

I am not thinking that way about LC ftr, I'm kinda debunking the theory. It would make sense if Jack was alive instead of LC imo.

[dunya]

if epi has made a mafia stump in this game, i will laugh until next month.

yeah I’m not counting out that possibility since alignments and roles seem to be randomly assigned. but i don’t I’m not concerned about her really

my biggest fear is that the mafia team sacrificed jack to make long con a confirmed civ in everyone’s eyes

couldn't jack have done that? jack was way deeper into the game.

hmm good point actually, but also consider people can be dumb
doesn’t matter, long con is a civ in my eyes

you think mafia would get rid of him the night before we would get to lylo?

I don't know. I think they have more roles to be worried about. Also LyLo isn't that far out if there are 3 remaining mafiosos so that's troubling too.

[juliets]

[mention]Elohcin[/mention], I liked this post by Kites because he was the only one I saw question how we got turned toward DDL (I don't remember myself and need to go back and look):

so we had another crazy eod, should’ve stayed for it I guess but I was too tired. I was sure it’d be between eloh and luna, I would have accepted both

Still trying to wrap my head around this whole lie detector thingy and why the lynch was steered towards DDL

I like that he is keeping track of the votes for us:

updated version. fixed mistakes pointed out last time

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*didn’t use vote tags but mentioned who to vote (timeline placement might be slightly inaccurate)
**didn’t use vote tags and didn’t mention who to vote (timeline placement likely very inaccurate/can’t be determined)

Day 1 votes

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Kites - dunya
Lunalee - nutella
MacDougall - JaggedJimmyJay
nutella - MacDougall**
Lunalee - JaggedJimmyJay
nutella - Dragon D. Luffy
speedchuck - novaselinenever
nutella - Elohcin*
spacedaisy - Jackofhearts2005
JaggedJimmyJay - dunya
speedchuck - JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall - dunya
JaggedJimmyJay - speedchuck
nutella - JaggedJimmyJay
Kites - Lunalee
juliets - Jackofhearts2005
Lunalee - JaggedJimmyJay
nutella - novaselinenever
MacDougall - JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall - nutella
juliets - Spacedaisy
Neverwhere - JaggedJimmyJay
juliets - nutella
juliets roleclaims stump
MacDougall - Long Con
MacDougall - nutella
MacDougall - JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall - juliets*
MacDougall - Spacedaisy
MacDougall - Matahari*
Neverwhere - JaggedJimmyJay
Neverwhere - Jackofhearts2005
MacDougall - Kites
MacDougall - Lunalee
nutella - nijuukyugou
Neverwhere - speedchuck

Final votes
MacDougall - dunya, Long Con, nutella, Spacedaisy, juliets, Matahari, Kites, Lunalee

Neverwhere - JaggedJimmyJay, Jackofhearts2005, speedchuck

nutella - MacDougall, Dragon D. Luffy, Elohcin, novaselinenever, nijuukyugou

no vote - leetic, reywas, Neverwhere

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Day 3 votes

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nijuukyugou - JaggedJimmyJay
Leetic - novaselinenever
Jackofhearts2005 - Long Con
Jackofhearts2005 - juliets*
Jackofhearts2005 - Kites
novaselinenever - dunya
Long Con - Jackofhearts2005
Jackofhearts2005 - Dragon D. Luffy
Jackofhearts2005 - Matahari*
Jackofhearts2005 - Spacedaisy*
Jackofhearts2005 - Elohcin*
Jackofhearts2005 - JaggedJimmyJay*
Jackofhearts2005 - Leetic** (no idea when)
Jackofhearts2005 - nijuukyugou** (no posts on day 3)

Final votes
Jackofhearts2005 - Long Con, juliets*, Kites, Dragon D. Luffy, Matahari*, Spacedaisy*, Elohcin*, JaggedJimmyJay*, leetic**, nijuukyugou**

leetic - novaselinenever

novaselinenever - dunya

no vote - reywas, Neverwhere, speedchuck

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Day 4 votes

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Leetic - dunya
Leetic - Lunalee
Lunalee - novaselinenever*
nijuukyugou - Leetic
Lunalee - Elohcin*
nijuukyugou - JaggedJimmyJay
Lunalee - Kites
nijuukyugou - juliets
nijuukyugou - Matahari
nijuukyugou - Dragon D. Luffy
nijuukyugou - Long Con**
nijuukyugou - Spacedaisy**

Final votes

nijuukyugou - Leetic, JaggedJimmyJay, juliets, Matahari, Dragon D. Luffy, Long Con**, Spacedaisy**

Leetic - dunya, Lunalee, novaselinenever

Lunalee - Elohcin*, Kites

no vote - speedchuck, nijuukyugou, Neverwhere

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Day 5 votes

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Lunalee - JaggedJimmyJay
Lunalee - dunya
Lunalee - Elohcin*
Leetic - speedchuck**
Leetic - JaggedJimmyJay
JaggedJimmyJay - Long Con
Leetic - juliets
dunya - Matahari
Leetic - Lunalee
dunya - Dragon D. Luffy
Leetic - Long Con
Elohcin - Kites
Dragon D. Luffy - Spacedaisy

Final votes

Leetic - speedchuck**, JaggedJimmyJay, juliets, Lunalee, Long Con

Lunalee - dunya, Elohcin

dunya - Matahari, Dragon D. Luffy

Elohcin - Kites

Dragon D. Luffy - Spacedaisy

And I liked that he didn't join the leetic vote:

not gonna join the leetic lynch
i was okay with niju lynch but i had my doubts about it
this is similar case
i think leetic is genuinely too busy to play, and had the other more interesting game going on (so not mafia here) he would rather concentrate on

it just feels too easy

Questioning the LC issue:

One thing about Long Con - I don’t think he has told us who he has been targeting besides Jack. Could help us by giving us some possibly confirmed civs, yeah? I mean not 100% confirmed but it would certainly be useful info

obligatory why isn’t he dead wifom

@Long Con tell us

I like the way he pokes at things. There is one more post that I liked best but it was his response to you about thinking Luna was bad because of the two missed kills. I don't think you'll view that one as civ so I won't post it.

[juliets]

I know some of you do not like night kill analysis but I like to at least give it a try. So, I want to ask this questions: Why did the mafia kill matahari? Any thoughts from anyone?

[dunya]

I know some of you do not like night kill analysis but I like to at least give it a try. So, I want to ask this questions: Why did the mafia kill matahari? Any thoughts from anyone?

to frame me and eloh
mata is one of the people who didn't role claim (nova too)
eloh is bad
mata was more or less townread by all
not at great risk of being night protected
mata was a redirect target

many reasons. i don't analyze stuff like that because i don't think it's right more times than it's wrong.

[dunya]

i'm kinda burned out. i should make an effort to do things, but i'm just exhausted.

don't ignore speedchuck and luna or jay please.

start looking at teammate compatibility this next phase.

don't ignore the possibility we could be looking at 3 more mafia so lylo isn't far.

[Lunalee]

No. She evidently did not count on you voting at all.

That's strange, I'm pretty sure I've voted in every lynch poll so far.

LC I'm probably mistaken. I just repeated what I thought speed said.

I didn't think long con specifically wouldn't vote, I just picked the number.

linki, woah. Hi dunya.

hi!

since you're here, and this is the same topic that has bothered me. why 9? when you knew we were 11 people, 1 inactive (neverwhere), why did you pick 9 and not 10?

It was incase someone didn't vote. I probably should have been smart and held off voting until the end, but I didn't. Suggestions for tomorrow's number? 8?

do you have to submit the number before the end of night? we are down to 9. if a kill happens tonight, 8. i would go with 7 and maybe you can hold off voting until the end if you're willing to be around just before day ends. you know, in case someone misses a vote cos "it's the weekend" (hi speedchuck). or maybe 8 and we force everyone to cast an early vote to make sure you can prove your ability the next phase.

yes, it is submitted before end-of-night. I'm going with 7, and will hold off voting unless I need to. I'll be sure to let everyone know where my vote would go though.

[nutella]

[mention]juliets[/mention] I can't get on discord rn but your mention emailed me and lmao wtf?!?!? You refuse to try kiwi because it's green? What kind of reason is that surely you eat plenty of green foods hahahahaha seriously they are so delicious I can't believe you have missed out on one of the best fruits in existence

[juliets]

@juliets I can't get on discord rn but your mention emailed me and lmao wtf?!?!? You refuse to try kiwi because it's green? What kind of reason is that surely you eat plenty of green foods hahahahaha seriously they are so delicious I can't believe you have missed out on one of the best fruits in existence

I don't eat green bananas either. Seriously though, it has those little black seeds in it. And isn't it kinda mushy? Ok lol you convinced me, I'll have my husband pick one up at the grocery store.

[nutella]

not mushy no. It's lovely and tart like a strawberry. Really I'm more just surprised youve never tried one bc they're so common lol

[Spacedaisy]

Right now I trust Juliets and I think Jay. Anyone else is a question mark to me. I’m finishing up an episode of Stargate Universe and then going to do some ISOs.

I’m unsure how I feel about the Speed/Luna stuff, but I haven’t seen any inconsistencies with Luna’s claims and there is no reason a mafia would have a lie detector so I think if one of them is lying it’s probably Speed. But I also feel like Speed has genuinely been trying to come up with strategies to help the civs clear people out of the PoE.

I would put them as tentative Town reads.

Long Con basically handed us Jack. Unless it was a ballsy strategy to make him deep wolf, I would put him as a tentative town read as well.

That leaves me with:
Dunya
Kites
Elohcin

[Spacedaisy]

I am not dismissing Speed, Luna and Long Con completely, but I think that I will more likely focus on those other three.

[juliets]

We are getting down to the point where if there are 3 left I'm going to have a hard time. [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] I'll be interested to know what you think about dunya.

[Spacedaisy]

We are getting down to the point where if there are 3 left I'm going to have a hard time. @Spacedaisy I'll be interested to know what you think about dunya.

I can’t imagine there being three left. My bet’s on two.

At least of those three in my PoE is bad imo, if not two.

I’ll try and read dunya but let me tell you my gut is on good at the moment, but it is only gut and I know that. She hasn’t done anything I think could conclusively clear her. And she’s even done things that look objectively bad probably, like he treatment of and interactions with Mac. But my gut still feel s like she’s genuine so I’m having a hard time deciding on her.

[juliets]

We are getting down to the point where if there are 3 left I'm going to have a hard time. @Spacedaisy I'll be interested to know what you think about dunya.

I can’t imagine there being three left. My bet’s on two.

At least of those three in my PoE is bad imo, if not two.

I’ll try and read dunya but let me tell you my gut is on good at the moment, but it is only gut and I know that. She hasn’t done anything I think could conclusively clear her. And she’s even done things that look objectively bad probably, like he treatment of and interactions with Mac. But my gut still feel s like she’s genuine so I’m having a hard time deciding on her.

I'm having exactly the same problem. The other thing besides what you mentioned that's on my mind is mate's read on her.

[Spacedaisy]

We are getting down to the point where if there are 3 left I'm going to have a hard time. @Spacedaisy I'll be interested to know what you think about dunya.

I can’t imagine there being three left. My bet’s on two.

At least of those three in my PoE is bad imo, if not two.

I’ll try and read dunya but let me tell you my gut is on good at the moment, but it is only gut and I know that. She hasn’t done anything I think could conclusively clear her. And she’s even done things that look objectively bad probably, like he treatment of and interactions with Mac. But my gut still feel s like she’s genuine so I’m having a hard time deciding on her.

I'm having exactly the same problem. The other thing besides what you mentioned that's on my mind is mate's read on her.

You mean Mac’s I assume. And yeah that was what I meant about her interactions with him. He town read her. She always seemed to be suspicious of him but never really went anywhere with it. That concerns me. I need to read her though. Because even civs can be in that position. I don’t know if she has pocketed me up to now or if my gut has reason to say Town...

[Spacedaisy]

Also, if I’m honest, Mata’s Treatment of her given her role doesn’t look good. You would expect a person with info to put themselves but Mata is from the old school mafia approach where outing yourself was a strict no no. I’m not convinced she would have been that forthcoming. But again, I don’t know what Mata was up to so I can’t say with confidence she had any information on her.

[juliets]

We are getting down to the point where if there are 3 left I'm going to have a hard time. @Spacedaisy I'll be interested to know what you think about dunya.

I can’t imagine there being three left. My bet’s on two.

At least of those three in my PoE is bad imo, if not two.

I’ll try and read dunya but let me tell you my gut is on good at the moment, but it is only gut and I know that. She hasn’t done anything I think could conclusively clear her. And she’s even done things that look objectively bad probably, like he treatment of and interactions with Mac. But my gut still feel s like she’s genuine so I’m having a hard time deciding on her.

I'm having exactly the same problem. The other thing besides what you mentioned that's on my mind is mate's read on her.

You mean Mac’s I assume. And yeah that was what I meant about her interactions with him. He town read her. She always seemed to be suspicious of him but never really went anywhere with it. That concerns me. I need to read her though. Because even civs can be in that position. I don’t know if she has pocketed me up to now or if my gut has reason to say Town...

No actually I meant mate's read.

[juliets]

Also, if I’m honest, Mata’s Treatment of her given her role doesn’t look good. You would expect a person with info to put themselves but Mata is from the old school mafia approach where outing yourself was a strict no no. I’m not convinced she would have been that forthcoming. But again, I don’t know what Mata was up to so I can’t say with confidence she had any information on her.

Yeah I don't think mata was one to say "I saw dunya/elo/whoever visit nova on the night he died". That's not the mata I remember playing with, and I don't think she's played enough games where claiming is a thing to be comfortable with it. That's one reason why her percentages for those two bother me.

[juliets]

Anyone have any thoughts? I'm bored.

[Epignosis]

Donald Fagen and Walter Becker looked at thesis statements.

Actually, they didn't.

JaggedJimmyJay has been cut.

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Kid Charlemagne
On the hill the stuff was laced with kerosene, but yours was kitchen clean

You thought you could turn the world around with LSD, but all the “white men” on the street- cocaine- made you obsolete. Fortunately, there’s gas in the car. Yes, there’s gas in the car. And you still have plenty of supply left. Feed your target a tab each Night, and while that cat’s having a cosmic voyage, only the words in his or her role description are available to him or her the following Day.

You are civilian. You win when all the mafia are dead.

It is now Day 7. You have 24 hours to lynch someone.

[juliets]

Hate to see that [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]. We'll try to do the right thing without you.

[speedchuck]

[votye]Eloh

[juliets]

Yes, I really don't see much choice anymore.

[VOTE: Elo] aubergine

[Spacedaisy]

Hey deadies and anyone who is interested! Better Off Ted is in sign ups! Go check it out if you're looking for another game. I promise wackiness!

[Long Con]

That's good, I would have voted for JJJ in a heartbeat. I agree about Eloh, I don't think her suspicion of me is genuine. [VOTE: Eloh] aubergine

[Spacedaisy]

Why are people so certain of Elo? I'd rather we had some conversation about this especially since she got railroaded in the past and I don't want to see that done to her again. Let's at least talk this through...

[Long Con]

We've all been railroaded in the past. Lord knows I have. I never like it... I feel like Eloh bringing me up as a candidate after all the tinfoil has been brought to light and examined thoroughly already.... I feel like that's baddie-motivated. The Mafia need to keep finding false reasons to lynch Civs; it's their entire game, really. I think Eloh misjudged how thoroughly I have been accepted (rightly) as Civ, and believes she can make this happennnnnnnnn or is it Luna as the baddie, coming in to support the ideas of a player who hasn't had the thread-commitment to realize that a Long Con lynch isn't the way to go... Luna supporting the (if I may) crazy ideas. An opportunity nurtured?

The whole Luna-speedchuck thing still looks like it could be it. I have a bad taste in my mouth about how last phase ended up, with the oh-so-close-but-not-quite Lie Detect, and GOSHDARNIT speedchuck tried to fix it but voting for nothing doesn't undo your vote and they could have asked the host about that if they were bad... but them bad together, what is that even, with the "she's a rolecop er I mean a lie detector". Baddie teammates don't do that kind of weirdness.

[Spacedaisy]

So are you saying you do or donot suspect Luna and/or speedchuck?

[Spacedaisy]

P.S. Speedchuck’s role Showed up in the OP

[Elohcin]

Why are people so certain of Elo? I'd rather we had some conversation about this especially since she got railroaded in the past and I don't want to see that done to her again. Let's at least talk this through...

Yes, please!

First of all, to LC. I was NOT the one who brought you up as a suspect, it was Kites. Please go back and see. I just agreed that you were smart enough to do such a thing and I wouldn't put it past you. But they made good points on how it could have been Jack if it were the case. I never said anything about you after that sunk in.

What can I refute next? [mention]juliets[/mention] [mention]speedchuck[/mention] please let me know your concerns.

[Elohcin]

not even AGREED that you were smart enough, really. He ASKED if you were capable and I told him yes, that you were a mastermind.

[Elohcin]

which you are. (sorry I keep posting.) You are capable of pulling something like that off and you know it. I understand if it did go down, maybe Jack would have been the obvious choice. But when I read what Kites said, I was like, "yeah, that could have happened." I like to exhaust every option when we get down to this many players. Every thought and every move counts. Anyway...I am done defending that unless you have more questions.

[juliets]

Why are people so certain of Elo? I'd rather we had some conversation about this especially since she got railroaded in the past and I don't want to see that done to her again. Let's at least talk this through...

I will discuss a little later this morning when I'm fully awake. A big part of it is my POE has been narrowed down considerably and she is one of the only ones left. I believe I'm looking at a civ Daisy, Kites, speedchuck and Long Con which leaves Elo, dunya and Luna and I made move Luna out of the POE today. She had "lie detector" on her role card and I just don't see any use for that for a mafia.

[Elohcin]

This is what my day look like.

10:00 - appointment
11:00 - going to the movies with the fam to celebrate E's birthday and then to froyo
2:30 or so - Home to do two loads of laundry, have another appointment with a customer, make mango avacado salsa, and get everyone (three children and myself) ready for a birthday party later today at sis-in-law's house.
5:30 - leave for party
**won't be home again til after lynch.
I doubt I will have time to come in here in the three hours I am home to defend myself b/c of all the things I have to do before the party.. I have this morning only. And even then, I promised I would make a big family breakfast after I finish my coffee.
I told y'all I would not be able to be here today. I answered everything brought to me and asked if there were anymore concerns so I could address them. And then I did so. What does one do in my position? I don't know.

[Elohcin]

and really, the movie starts at 11:00, so we will be leaving at 10:20. We live in the middle of nowhere.

[juliets]

[mention]Elohcin[/mention] how do you feel about dunya?