Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

#4051

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 4:53 pm And if Luna is bad?

Yeah, we have to consider that, though Imo a bad lie detector would be pretty worthless for the mafia. I know though, it may not matter that it's worthless it may still be mafia. We'll just have to use our judgement.

#4052

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 4:56 pmImo a bad lie detector would be pretty worthless for the mafia.

I just wanna quote this for posterity.

#4053

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 5:14 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 4:56 pmImo a bad lie detector would be pretty worthless for the mafia.
I just wanna quote this for posterity.

hahahaha...I could certainly be wrong. But really, how would they use that role? What utility does it have for them?

#4054

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 4:53 pm And if Luna is bad?

I know, right? I am thinking this about every. single. one of yas. "If ________ is bad?" I hate when we get down to the end like this and my mind starts going in every which direction second guessing every thought I have.

#4055

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 5:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 5:14 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 4:56 pmImo a bad lie detector would be pretty worthless for the mafia.
I just wanna quote this for posterity.
hahahaha...I could certainly be wrong. But really, how would they use that role? What utility does it have for them?

Well, they could, for instance, out themselves and then deceive the Civs in a crucial endgame situation.

#4056

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 6:10 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 5:24 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 5:14 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 4:56 pmImo a bad lie detector would be pretty worthless for the mafia.
I just wanna quote this for posterity.
hahahaha...I could certainly be wrong. But really, how would they use that role? What utility does it have for them?
Well, they could, for instance, out themselves and then deceive the Civs in a crucial endgame situation.

ok I see what you mean.

#4057

So, basically the sole purpose for a baddie having the lie detector role would be to make themselves look good upon claiming.

#4058

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 7:16 pm So, basically the sole purpose for a baddie having the lie detector role would be to make themselves look good upon claiming.

That seems to be what LC is saying.

#4059

Isn't night supposed to be over by now?

#4060

we were playing a game. Epi is now upstairs. I am guessing he will be on it now.

#4061

Donald Fagen and Walter Becker looked at daisies in space.

Because of course they did from time to time.

SpaceDaisy has been cut.

Spoiler: show

It is now Day 8. You have 24 hours to lynch someone.

#4062

Goodbye Daisy, I am surprised to see you gone. Good game though, thanks for seeing my song hint.

So I have to ask, why is Luna still alive?

#4063

Looks like Daisy's power went through, LC's role is up.

And Epi, Hey Nineteen is there twice.

#4064

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 8:40 pm Goodbye Daisy, I am surprised to see you gone. Good game though, thanks for seeing my song hint.

So I have to ask, why is Luna still alive?

Are you asking this b/c you thought mafia would kill her? Cause that is what I was thinking. So she couldn't use her lie detect.

#4065

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 8:50 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 8:40 pm Goodbye Daisy, I am surprised to see you gone. Good game though, thanks for seeing my song hint.

So I have to ask, why is Luna still alive?
Are you asking this b/c you thought mafia would kill her? Cause that is what I was thinking. So she couldn't use her lie detect.

Yes, I thought she was gone for sure. I don't want to say any more though until we see what she has to say.

#4066

yes, totally understand.

#4067

Good luck civs, find those baddies and keep my winning streak for 2019 going!

#4068

rip [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention]

thanks for playing with us.

lol, [mention]juliets[/mention] , I'm wondering why I'm still alive too.

#4069

Unfortunately my role failed tonight. Ugh.

#4070

If anyone’s wondering why I’m not on the poll, I used my power last night

#4071

juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 8:49 pm Looks like Daisy's power went through, LC's role is up.

And Epi, Hey Nineteen is there twice.

Now that LC role is confirmed, I don’t really see how he could possibly be mafia

#4072

updated version

Spoiler: show

#4073

Day 1

Eloh is the only nutella voter whose alignment is still unknown. I seriously doubt Mac was the only mafia who was on the nutella wagon. Looks bad

Luna was the last vote on Mac. Looks bad

Dunya started the Mac wagon. Looks good

juliets started gathering votes and she claimed to get rid of them. Then she had to choose between Mac or nutella train, Mac was leading by 1 vote and she chose him. Leaning good on this

Day 3

Lynch the cop result - day. Order of the votes doesn’t matter really

Day 4

Lurker lynch day, all of them were civs (except Luna still a question mark) so mafia had an easy day

Day 5

Leetic lynch another easy lynch. Can’t say much

Day 6

The lynch was between Luna and Eloh, but the lynch was steered towards DDL. I didn’t like this. Looking at Luna, dunya, Eloh (her vote was a self preservation vote though)

Day 7

I feel I made a bad choice by voting speedchuck instead of Eloh. Especially because Luna’s action failed. So
1. Luna’s action failed because mafia blocked her or protected her target. She’s good. Eloh - dunya tinfoil
2. Luna didn’t target anyone. She’s bad. Eloh team mate maybe

But this isn’t enough for a vote and I will read at everyone’s posts now, juliets too

#4074

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:41 pm Unfortunately my role failed tonight. Ugh.

Who did you target btw? I assumed it was Eloh but I remember you asked if I had claimed my alignment. Did you target me instead?

#4075

Spacedaisy

#4076

Spacedaisy kinda saved me. She told me to protect myself after I role claimed. I didn't clarify that self-targeting wasn't allowed, and maybe the mafia thought I would. Neither is double targeting, though, so I protected Luna on the off chance she's civ and Mafia would kill her before she could use her lie detect on anyone. That clearly didn't happen.

I have never been a doctor in all my mafia career and this game has been the worst in my civ power use history. I'm really sorry everyone.

#4077

Can't wrap my head around the fact that Luna has a role that she hasn't been able to use in 8 days (or 7 since we can't count Day 1).

[mention]Kites[/mention] is your role like DDL's?

#4078

Or is it like, "you can remove yourself from the poll"?

#4079

[mention]Kites[/mention] can you still vote?

#4080

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:06 am Spacedaisy kinda saved me. She told me to protect myself after I role claimed. I didn't clarify that self-targeting wasn't allowed, and maybe the mafia thought I would. Neither is double targeting, though, so I protected Luna on the off chance she's civ and Mafia would kill her before she could use her lie detect on anyone. That clearly didn't happen.

I have never been a doctor in all my mafia career and this game has been the worst in my civ power use history. I'm really sorry everyone.

Does your role protect from just kills or does it protect from any power?

#4081

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:37 pm rip @Spacedaisy thanks for playing with us.

lol, @juliets , I'm wondering why I'm still alive too.

I can think of two reasons: they consider you a suspect or you're bad after all.

#4082

I think I know Luna's song but I see no reason to reveal it unless the rest of you can think of a good reason.

#4083

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:08 am Can't wrap my head around the fact that Luna has a role that she hasn't been able to use in 8 days (or 7 since we can't count Day 1).

@Kites is your role like DDL's?

I can't find DDL's role description "Bad Sneakers" in the OP. Am I blind? Anyway, can you remind me what his ability was?

#4084

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:28 am
dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:06 am Spacedaisy kinda saved me. She told me to protect myself after I role claimed. I didn't clarify that self-targeting wasn't allowed, and maybe the mafia thought I would. Neither is double targeting, though, so I protected Luna on the off chance she's civ and Mafia would kill her before she could use her lie detect on anyone. That clearly didn't happen.

I have never been a doctor in all my mafia career and this game has been the worst in my civ power use history. I'm really sorry everyone.
Does your role protect from just kills or does it protect from any power?

I asked Epi already, obviously he's asleep. If I somehow blocked Luna then I deserve worst player award. I don't think I block, but we'll see. Traditional doctors don't block, but this game is a mindfuck and nothing will surprise me.

#4085

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:54 am
dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:08 am Can't wrap my head around the fact that Luna has a role that she hasn't been able to use in 8 days (or 7 since we can't count Day 1).

@Kites is your role like DDL's?
I can't find DDL's role description "Bad Sneakers" in the OP. Am I blind? Anyway, can you remind me what his ability was?

He can choose any 5 names to be on the poll on 1 occasion.

#4086

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:55 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:28 am
dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:06 am Spacedaisy kinda saved me. She told me to protect myself after I role claimed. I didn't clarify that self-targeting wasn't allowed, and maybe the mafia thought I would. Neither is double targeting, though, so I protected Luna on the off chance she's civ and Mafia would kill her before she could use her lie detect on anyone. That clearly didn't happen.

I have never been a doctor in all my mafia career and this game has been the worst in my civ power use history. I'm really sorry everyone.
Does your role protect from just kills or does it protect from any power?
I asked Epi already, obviously he's asleep. If I somehow blocked Luna then I deserve worst player award. I don't think I block, but we'll see. Traditional doctors don't block, but this game is a mindfuck and nothing will surprise me.

Oh wait, I see what you mean. Does my doctor protect her from blocks or just NKs. I'll ask Epi that too.

#4087

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 11:41 pm Unfortunately my role failed tonight. Ugh.

Luna, do you have any details about why it failed? Though I can't say I'm really surprised. The mafia had to either kill you or prevent you from using your power, or you are one of them.

#4088

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:57 am
dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:55 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:28 am
dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:06 am Spacedaisy kinda saved me. She told me to protect myself after I role claimed. I didn't clarify that self-targeting wasn't allowed, and maybe the mafia thought I would. Neither is double targeting, though, so I protected Luna on the off chance she's civ and Mafia would kill her before she could use her lie detect on anyone. That clearly didn't happen.

I have never been a doctor in all my mafia career and this game has been the worst in my civ power use history. I'm really sorry everyone.
Does your role protect from just kills or does it protect from any power?
I asked Epi already, obviously he's asleep. If I somehow blocked Luna then I deserve worst player award. I don't think I block, but we'll see. Traditional doctors don't block, but this game is a mindfuck and nothing will surprise me.
Oh wait, I see what you mean. Does my doctor protect her from blocks or just NKs. I'll ask Epi that too.

Yes that's what I'm asking.

#4089

Can anyone think of a good way to use Elo's power, whether it be for civs or against civs? Did someone already give an example? I just can't wrap my head around it. Epi had to have something in mind.

#4090

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:08 am Can't wrap my head around the fact that Luna has a role that she hasn't been able to use in 8 days (or 7 since we can't count Day 1).

@Kites is your role like DDL's?

I can remove one person from the poll. I can use it every night but I only once on myself. Kept it secret and didn’t use until now. For self preservation and to make sure civs don’t lose for mislynching me

and yes I can vote

#4091

In a few minutes I have to get ready for work and then won't be back until this afternoon, I don't know what time. I don't know yet how to vote. Does anyone have any thoughts about who is bad at this early hour (well early for me anyway).

#4092

#4093

Ok guys gone til this afternoon.

#4094

I am going to try to contribute as much as possible today. My computer is being used for End of Year testing and I am working as well. I'll catch up and post soon

#4095

Kites wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:11 am
dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:08 am Can't wrap my head around the fact that Luna has a role that she hasn't been able to use in 8 days (or 7 since we can't count Day 1).

@Kites is your role like DDL's?
I can remove one person from the poll. I can use it every night but I only once on myself. Kept it secret and didn’t use until now. For self preservation and to make sure civs don’t lose for mislynching me

and yes I can vote

Why did you never use it until now on your strongest town reads, for example?

#4096

Still no answer from Epignosis.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] so have you been guessing number of people to vote every day?

#4097

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:04 am Can anyone think of a good way to use Elo's power, whether it be for civs or against civs? Did someone already give an example? I just can't wrap my head around it. Epi had to have something in mind.

Imagine Long Con wasn't one shot, and he was forced to target the same person every night. Less chance of him netting another scum. Imagine Spacedaisy could only choose the same 3 songs and not reveal more roles. Imagine Jay had to insanify the same person twice. Imagine speedchuck could only invite the same person to BTSC. Imagine nutella had to role cop check the same person. It's clearly a net positive for mafia and a net negative for civilians. Not to mention any restrictive roles on voting is bad imo. Nothing ever good comes out of restricting a townie's vote. If I were Eloh, I would have used my role on my biggest suspects tbh. I don't know, maybe I wouldn't have. But I probably would have because it's a strong role. If I was mafia, I would 100% have used it.

#4098

Point is, I do understand Eloh's reluctance to use something like that if she's a civilian. It's hard to be that confident in restricting someone's vote AND night power in a role madness game.

#4099

I would be less reluctant to trust her if she had used it. I can't believe she didn't use it on Long Con for example if she was bad.

#4100

My POE today would have been between Luna and Kites really.

juliets my tinfoil

No static at all? You sure?