Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[dunya]

Another example of when mafia Eloh would have used it is when Jay insanified Luna. If she were insanified the next day too, it would have been an easy lynch there. Unless Luna/Eloh and w/w.

[dunya]

We are in MyLo. We have 5 people on the lynch and we know for a fact at least 1 is bad.

Everyone state 2 names they would be most willing to lynch and let's go from there.

[Long Con]

Luna
Elohcin

[Long Con]

I'm voting Luna. She's been stringing us along with far too zero results. [VOTE: Luna] aubergine

[Lunalee]

Unfortunately my role failed tonight. Ugh.

Who did you target btw? I assumed it was Eloh but I remember you asked if I had claimed my alignment. Did you target me instead?

I wanted to target you, but apparently I was blocked from doing anything.

[Lunalee]

Unfortunately my role failed tonight. Ugh.

Luna, do you have any details about why it failed? Though I can't say I'm really surprised. The mafia had to either kill you or prevent you from using your power, or you are one of them.

no details other than it failed. I assume I was role-blocked.

[Lunalee]

Still no answer from Epignosis.

@Lunalee so have you been guessing number of people to vote every day?

Yes, though I don't think it will work for today since my role failed during the night when i sent my guess in.

[Lunalee]

I'm voting Luna. She's been stringing us along with far too zero results. [VOTE: Luna] aubergine

ikr, probably should have been killed last night. That would have helped us all out.

[Lunalee]

We are in MyLo. We have 5 people on the lynch and we know for a fact at least 1 is bad.

Everyone state 2 names they would be most willing to lynch and let's go from there.

dunya - You've lasted too long and I'm in major suspect dunya mode now. I really don't care about role claims either, they don't seem to be alignment-indicative.

Kites - He's been around and done things to look town, but I see no reason he's not scum. Kites seems to have avoided suspicion really well (or maybe I'm imagining things). But the speedchuck lynch made him look sketchy to me. Also, not that role claims really help much, but I believe Kites is the only on left who hasn't claimed a role.

[dunya]

If roles aren't alignment indicative, why isn't juliets a suspect to you?

[dunya]

This is also the first time we've heard someone is "blocked" since nova died. I struggle to believe mafia have decided to forego their block up until Night 7.

[Lunalee]

I'm inclined to trust Long Con for his role in the Jack lynch. But he has sort of used the town cred from that to take a step back and not do much else.

Eloh still looks town to me. Just her tone and frustrations with the game seemed genuine, and I really don't think a scum Eloh would have a fit about teammate Mac getting lynched. She would quietly buss and stay out of the line of suspicion.

Juliets I want to trust based on her role, but I realize it is risky to do that. She revealed it when it looked like she might get lynched, but it still could have been a genuine or fake claim.

[Lunalee]

This is also the first time we've heard someone is "blocked" since nova died. I struggle to believe mafia have decided to forego their block up until Night 7.

yes, that is strange.

[dunya]

My problem with juliets is how she has treated me specifically, how she had me as her second suspect but didn't have a single reason why I'm bad beyond using Mata as a reason as soon as she was killed. She came in strong about it as soon as Mata died. I also hate how she kept pushing roles to be alignment indicative in this game.

Her frustration with me for suspecting her seemed genuine though. I really hate to make juliets feel like she's not enjoying a game so I feel like an ass if I do and silly if I don't.

[Lunalee]

If roles aren't alignment indicative, why isn't juliets a suspect to you?

It's a real occasion for hey nineteen people.

Deacon Blues
They call Alabama the Crimson Tide

You want a name when you lose. We get it. If you are killed, you will receive an invincible account that can post but cannot vote or be targeted by anything. If you ae lynched, however, you’ll be drinking scotch whiskey all night long and dying behind the wheel- that is to say, out of the game. Expanding man, indeed.

Spoiler: show

Pretzel Logic
Where did you get those shoes?

You got them from the guy that got lynched that Day, right? Each Night, you will use the lynched number’s ability. It may not make any sense, but you aren’t joking, son.

Reelin’ in the Years
The things that pass for knowledge, I can’t understand

The weekend at the college might not have turned out like you planned, but there’s something else going down if you’re feeling frisky. Each phase you survive, you reel in one role check, but once you cash in those checks (during any Night), you’ve checked out and accrue no further credits. Stow away the time.

Doctor Wu
Katie tried- I was halfway crucified

Are you with them doctor? Can you hear them doctor? Of course not. Before the poll ends each Day, you may send, through the host, an invitation to someone for your doctoral services. You of course don’t actually protect them, but in exchange for your “services,” you will have control of their Night action the next Night should he or she accept. Oh, and one more thing: If your role gets exposed in any capacity (except your lynch), you will be shown to be a traditional doctor with secrets.

Do it Again
Wheel turning round and round

People often return to their vices, and you make sure that they do. Each Night, you will force someone to vote for the same person he or she voted for the Day before. In addition, that person will be forced to target the same individual he or she targeted the Night before, if any.

Bodhisattva
Can you show me the shine of your japan, the sparkle of your china?

The Bodhisattva is one who has attained Nirvana but sticks around to save others. You protect someone each Night at the expense of your own life and by the shine of your Japan. Won’t you take me by the hand?

Any Major Dude Will Tell You
Any minor world that breaks apart falls together again

If a civilian is lynched, you will offer words of encouragement to everyone through the Host that Night.

Aja
Up on the hill, people never stare- they just don’t care

Invite your guest each Night to join you up on the hill, where no one is staring or caring- there’s only Chinese music and banyan trees. While in your care, your target is too relaxed to carry out any Night action but will be protected from any negativity from anyone with murder on his or her mind.

Kid Charlemagne
On the hill the stuff was laced with kerosene, but yours was kitchen clean

You thought you could turn the world around with LSD, but all the “white men” on the street- cocaine- made you obsolete. Fortunately, there’s gas in the car. Yes, there’s gas in the car. And you still have plenty of supply left. Feed your target a tab each Night, and while that cat’s having a cosmic voyage, only the words in his or her role description are available to him or her the following Day.

Black Cow
I can’t cry anymore while you run around

When you’ve had enough of someone, the Night prior, tell that person to drink a big black cow and get out of here. That person is silenced and may not vote during the next Day phase.

Peg
And when you smile for the camera- you know I’ll love you better!

Smile for the camera. Beautiful. If anyone targets your target at Night, you’ll take some pictures, and from these pin shots, the name of the actor will come back to you. It’s your favorite foreign movie.

Hey Nineteen
That’s ‘Retha Franklin

The Cuervo Gold and the fine Colombian indeed make tonight a wonderful thing, but you’re looking for someone with less experience to share that evening with. You can choose someone who has fewer posts than you at the end of the Day phase, target that person at Night, and enjoy BTSC the rest of the next phase.

Time Out of Mind
Tonight when I chase the dragon, water will change to cherry wine, the silver will turn to gold

One night, when you chase the dragon, you will target someone. If you picked a civilian, the silver will turn to gold, and there will be another Day phase right after the next one. If you went after a mafia member, then the water will change to cherry wine, and there will be two Night phases. Oh, and put a dollar in the kitty.

FM
No static at all

Clarity is key, and that fosters the good times. Each Night, you pick three Steely Dan songs to spin. If the first selection is in the game, it will appear on the front page in its complete form (not including secrets). If not, then the second selection may be. If that one isn’t, we’ll try the third number. If none of them are in the game, that’s too bad. Give her some funked-up music, man.

I'm looking closer at the role Juliets claims to have, and it looks like it has to be civ, since I don't think we had any town killers in this game (at most 1 kill per night sort of confirms that).

[Elohcin]

Still no answer from Epignosis.

@Lunalee so have you been guessing number of people to vote every day?

What are you trying to ask him? Is it wrong for me to ask him since he and I share a private discord to talk throughout the day?

[Lunalee]

My problem with juliets is how she has treated me specifically, how she had me as her second suspect but didn't have a single reason why I'm bad beyond using Mata as a reason as soon as she was killed. She came in strong about it as soon as Mata died. I also hate how she kept pushing roles to be alignment indicative in this game.

Her frustration with me for suspecting her seemed genuine though. I really hate to make juliets feel like she's not enjoying a game so I feel like an ass if I do and silly if I don't.

I get that you don't trust juliets for the way she's treated you, but that really isn't the best reason to suspect someone. Juliets genuinely suspects you, so of course you might not like the way she's expressed that. I personally don't see a big problem with it, because I suspect you too.

[Long Con]

I'm looking closer at the role Juliets claims to have, and it looks like it has to be civ, since I don't think we had any town killers in this game (at most 1 kill per night sort of confirms that).

Unless Epi made all the roles, and then randomized the alignments. Then such a judgment becomes completely moot.

[Lunalee]

I'm looking closer at the role Juliets claims to have, and it looks like it has to be civ, since I don't think we had any town killers in this game (at most 1 kill per night sort of confirms that).

Unless Epi made all the roles, and then randomized the alignments. Then such a judgment becomes completely moot.

sure I guess. That just really wouldn't make much sense though.

[Lunalee]

yo [mention]dunya[/mention] is your role listed in the page 1 post?

[dunya]

My problem with juliets is how she has treated me specifically, how she had me as her second suspect but didn't have a single reason why I'm bad beyond using Mata as a reason as soon as she was killed. She came in strong about it as soon as Mata died. I also hate how she kept pushing roles to be alignment indicative in this game.

Her frustration with me for suspecting her seemed genuine though. I really hate to make juliets feel like she's not enjoying a game so I feel like an ass if I do and silly if I don't.

I get that you don't trust juliets for the way she's treated you, but that really isn't the best reason to suspect someone. Juliets genuinely suspects you, so of course you might not like the way she's expressed that. I personally don't see a big problem with it, because I suspect you too.

Since when do you suspect me? Defending juliets and shading me in one post reeks of opportunism tbh.

[dunya]

yo @dunya is your role listed in the page 1 post?

No.

[dunya]

I'm looking closer at the role Juliets claims to have, and it looks like it has to be civ, since I don't think we had any town killers in this game (at most 1 kill per night sort of confirms that).

Unless Epi made all the roles, and then randomized the alignments. Then such a judgment becomes completely moot.

sure I guess. That just really wouldn't make much sense though.

Why?

[dunya]

Still no answer from Epignosis.

@Lunalee so have you been guessing number of people to vote every day?

What are you trying to ask him? Is it wrong for me to ask him since he and I share a private discord to talk throughout the day?

I think I'd rather him reply to my PM when he gets on. He asked us to PM questions and considering how a lot of people broke that rule already, I'd rather not.

[dunya]

Luna's reaction to speed getting lynched looks like TMI in retrospect.

[Kites]

Can't wrap my head around the fact that Luna has a role that she hasn't been able to use in 8 days (or 7 since we can't count Day 1).

@Kites is your role like DDL's?

I can remove one person from the poll. I can use it every night but I only once on myself. Kept it secret and didn’t use until now. For self preservation and to make sure civs don’t lose for mislynching me

and yes I can vote

Why did you never use it until now on your strongest town reads, for example?

I just didn’t want to mess with the polls or accidently protect a baddie. Being safe from the lynch can make people less productive too

[dunya]

Can't wrap my head around the fact that Luna has a role that she hasn't been able to use in 8 days (or 7 since we can't count Day 1).

@Kites is your role like DDL's?

I can remove one person from the poll. I can use it every night but I only once on myself. Kept it secret and didn’t use until now. For self preservation and to make sure civs don’t lose for mislynching me

and yes I can vote

Why did you never use it until now on your strongest town reads, for example?

I just didn’t want to mess with the polls or accidently protect a baddie. Being safe from the lynch can make people less productive too

Do you feel less productive?

[Kites]

Can't wrap my head around the fact that Luna has a role that she hasn't been able to use in 8 days (or 7 since we can't count Day 1).

@Kites is your role like DDL's?

I can remove one person from the poll. I can use it every night but I only once on myself. Kept it secret and didn’t use until now. For self preservation and to make sure civs don’t lose for mislynching me

and yes I can vote

Why did you never use it until now on your strongest town reads, for example?

I just didn’t want to mess with the polls or accidently protect a baddie. Being safe from the lynch can make people less productive too

Do you feel less productive?

absolutely but I am gonna be here and hunt mafia

[dunya]

If I were bad, I'd have taken full credit for the no kill N2 based on my LC protect. I clarified with Epi on N5 on my own. Found out I hadn't protected him, and came in and told everyone. Speedchuck was going to townfirm me for it. I corrected him. In what world does a bad dunya do that? Not this one.

Saying things like "dunya shouldn't be alive" also makes my stomach churn considering how often I do last. Just recently, you and me lasted till LyLo in the Space Force game. Do you remember? Why was I alive there? Considering I'd been N1 killed 3 games in a row, I kind of appreciate whoever left me alive tbh (even though I did complain about it).

[dunya]

This is also why I tinfoil on juliets. I don't think she'd ever kill me as a baddie.

[Lunalee]

My problem with juliets is how she has treated me specifically, how she had me as her second suspect but didn't have a single reason why I'm bad beyond using Mata as a reason as soon as she was killed. She came in strong about it as soon as Mata died. I also hate how she kept pushing roles to be alignment indicative in this game.

Her frustration with me for suspecting her seemed genuine though. I really hate to make juliets feel like she's not enjoying a game so I feel like an ass if I do and silly if I don't.

I get that you don't trust juliets for the way she's treated you, but that really isn't the best reason to suspect someone. Juliets genuinely suspects you, so of course you might not like the way she's expressed that. I personally don't see a big problem with it, because I suspect you too.

Since when do you suspect me? Defending juliets and shading me in one post reeks of opportunism tbh.

Since today. My suspect pool is narrowing, and you do not have an "I am town" exemption. You can say it's opportunism if you want, but I would be stupid not to suspect you at this point.

[Lunalee]

Luna's reaction to speed getting lynched looks like TMI in retrospect.

how? I was convinced he was town since night 2

[Lunalee]

I'm looking closer at the role Juliets claims to have, and it looks like it has to be civ, since I don't think we had any town killers in this game (at most 1 kill per night sort of confirms that).

Unless Epi made all the roles, and then randomized the alignments. Then such a judgment becomes completely moot.

sure I guess. That just really wouldn't make much sense though.

Why?

to have a useless role as mafia? It just doesn't make sense. The only use would be to role-claim so you look town.

[Lunalee]

yo @dunya is your role listed in the page 1 post?

No.

ok, I didn't think so.

[Kites]

This is also why I tinfoil on juliets. I don't think she'd ever kill me as a baddie.

I kinda tinfoil on juliets a bit too, that I’m in her pocket. Keep your enemies close etc.

but I’ll start reading posts now and try to make sense of this all

[dunya]

Luna/Kites
Luna/Eloh
Luna/juliets
Kites/Eloh

Those are the teams that are plausible in my head right now. I don't think juliets and Eloh make sense as teammates based on how juliets treated Eloh most of the game and the whole episode where Eloh seemed genuinely offended by something juliets said. I don't think Kites and juliets make sense as teammates either, I can't say off the top of my head why, but if Kites was her teammate I don't think he would made that post where he discredited her role as a fool proof townie indicator. I could see juliets defence of Luna on Day 6 as teammate behavior. Luna fits in most teams. I promise to ISO her before end of day when I get home from work. We are at MyLo now for certain and I suck in these end games and especially with Luna.

[dunya]

I'm looking closer at the role Juliets claims to have, and it looks like it has to be civ, since I don't think we had any town killers in this game (at most 1 kill per night sort of confirms that).

Unless Epi made all the roles, and then randomized the alignments. Then such a judgment becomes completely moot.

sure I guess. That just really wouldn't make much sense though.

Why?

to have a useless role as mafia? It just doesn't make sense. The only use would be to role-claim so you look town.

Role claim so you can last till end game and have a valid excuse why you weren't night killed. That's useless as mafia?

[Lunalee]

Luna/Kites
Luna/Eloh
Luna/juliets
Kites/Eloh

Those are the teams that are plausible in my head right now. I don't think juliets and Eloh make sense as teammates based on how juliets treated Eloh most of the game and the whole episode where Eloh seemed genuinely offended by something juliets said. I don't think Kites and juliets make sense as teammates either, I can't say off the top of my head why, but if Kites was her teammate I don't think he would made that post where he discredited her role as a fool proof townie indicator. I could see juliets defence of Luna on Day 6 as teammate behavior. Luna fits in most teams. I promise to ISO her before end of day when I get home from work. We are at MyLo now for certain and I suck in these end games and especially with Luna.

LOL, sorry. I suck at mylo too. Let me know if you have questions while going through my ISO.

[Lunalee]

I'm looking closer at the role Juliets claims to have, and it looks like it has to be civ, since I don't think we had any town killers in this game (at most 1 kill per night sort of confirms that).

Unless Epi made all the roles, and then randomized the alignments. Then such a judgment becomes completely moot.

sure I guess. That just really wouldn't make much sense though.

Why?

to have a useless role as mafia? It just doesn't make sense. The only use would be to role-claim so you look town.

Role claim so you can last till end game and have a valid excuse why you weren't night killed. That's useless as mafia?

I mean that does sound very useful as mafia. I should probably not assume too much about how Epi set up roles in this game, but you said yourself at one point that a mafia stump role would be ridiculous.

[dunya]

Luna's reaction to speed getting lynched looks like TMI in retrospect.

how? I was convinced he was town since night 2

Your unwillingness to say speedchuck is lying about your role when he did the whole role cop episode was weird as hell to me. You were insanified and if he had been mislynched that phase, your handling of him seems like someone who didn't want to be associated with the lynch. That's the TMI I'm talking about. If I had BTSC with speedchuck, role claimed to him, agreed to be insanified through him, then come into the thread and find him claiming a wholly different role for me I would not be saying he misremembered, that's for sure lol.

[dunya]

Why didn't you think speed was bad when he did that? [mention]Lunalee[/mention]

I have to go, I'll be back later. Please no one stop talking.

[dunya]

I'm looking closer at the role Juliets claims to have, and it looks like it has to be civ, since I don't think we had any town killers in this game (at most 1 kill per night sort of confirms that).

Unless Epi made all the roles, and then randomized the alignments. Then such a judgment becomes completely moot.

sure I guess. That just really wouldn't make much sense though.

Why?

to have a useless role as mafia? It just doesn't make sense. The only use would be to role-claim so you look town.

Role claim so you can last till end game and have a valid excuse why you weren't night killed. That's useless as mafia?

I mean that does sound very useful as mafia. I should probably not assume too much about how Epi set up roles in this game, but you said yourself at one point that a mafia stump role would be ridiculous.

Sure, but the more I think about it the more it doesn't sound entirely impossible to me

I still don't understand how some people have lived and seen insanifiers and silencers in a town capacity before this game.

[Lunalee]

Luna's reaction to speed getting lynched looks like TMI in retrospect.

how? I was convinced he was town since night 2

Your unwillingness to say speedchuck is lying about your role when he did the whole role cop episode was weird as hell to me. You were insanified and if he had been mislynched that phase, your handling of him seems like someone who didn't want to be associated with the lynch. That's the TMI I'm talking about. If I had BTSC with speedchuck, role claimed to him, agreed to be insanified through him, then come into the thread and find him claiming a wholly different role for me I would not be saying he misremembered, that's for sure lol.

Him claiming that I was a role-cop was weird as hell to me too. In no universe could I see speed being that cruel to me in a mafia game. We chatted on very friendly terms on night 2 and I was actually pretty upset by the events that happened when I was insanified. Unfortunately Epi didn't save the chatroom, but I'm still convinced he mis-remembered my role.

[Kites]

I have read Eloh posts now. I also think her day 1 EoD meltdown looks civ, and in general her posts don’t give me bad vibes

Bye Nova. I am voting luna like I said I would if there was a kill this time.

explain what you mean please.

Luna was not active and there were no night kills for what, 2 nights? Then there was the narrowed lynch poll. Luna was on it and all of a sudden she had time to come in and get involved. With an active Luna there was now a night kill. I explained that if the night kill came about now that Luna was active, that I would assume those non-night kills were due to an inactive mafia luna.

linki....this whole insanification gold stuff is over my head.

But this is the post that still bothers me and made me suspicious of her
- Accusing Luna for her inactivity, that the night kills didn’t happen because she wasn’t here to send the kill. However Jack and the other mafia team members were still alive, and they would send the kill for sure. Luna wasn’t the only inactive player either so I don’t know she picked her. It just looks like a very poor reason to vote

To be fair, people make mistakes and can forget about such details, it might be that she just didn’t even consider the existence of other mafia team members and thought she was really onto something with this

Anyways I’m not totally convinced she’s either mafia or civ. Moving on now

[Kites]

dunya next with her 715 posts

[Kites]

Jack, give me a rainbow

Jack
Speed
Nova
Nutella
Dunya
Jay
DDL
Juliets
Daisy

Everyone else is meh.

noticed this
everyone on this list are flipped civs, except dunya and juliets, we don’t know their alignments yet

Would a baddie make a rainbow list of all civs? It is possible but I’d say that most of the time it’s a mix of both sides

[juliets]

I would be less reluctant to trust her if she had used it. I can't believe she didn't use it on Long Con for example if she was bad.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. Why would she have used it on LC if bad? Wouldn't it have just made him target Jack again but he couldn't because Jack was dead? And he couldn't repeat his vote because Jack was dead. Maybe I'm not understanding her power.

[juliets]

I'm inclined to trust Long Con for his role in the Jack lynch. But he has sort of used the town cred from that to take a step back and not do much else.

Eloh still looks town to me. Just her tone and frustrations with the game seemed genuine, and I really don't think a scum Eloh would have a fit about teammate Mac getting lynched. She would quietly buss and stay out of the line of suspicion.

Juliets I want to trust based on her role, but I realize it is risky to do that. She revealed it when it looked like she might get lynched, but it still could have been a genuine or fake claim.

Luna, my role wasn't a fake claim - you can see it in the OP. And I hinted about it early in the game. That's why Daisy guessed it.

[juliets]

My problem with juliets is how she has treated me specifically, how she had me as her second suspect but didn't have a single reason why I'm bad beyond using Mata as a reason as soon as she was killed. She came in strong about it as soon as Mata died. I also hate how she kept pushing roles to be alignment indicative in this game.

Her frustration with me for suspecting her seemed genuine though. I really hate to make juliets feel like she's not enjoying a game so I feel like an ass if I do and silly if I don't.

So you expressed throughout the game after I claimed that you thought I was town. Are you saying that just because I suspected you, you decided that I was suspicious? We called that "no u" in the olden days.

And yes, after Mata died I looked back at her posts and saw you were at the top of her suspect list along with Elo. I didn't vote for you though because I personally had a stronger suspicion of Elo. Mata had an info role. I don't think it is crazy for someone to look at her role and look at her highest suspects and think there is some correlation.

Also, would you show me the posts where I "pushed" for roles to be alignment indicative? Not the post where I explained why my role is civ but posts where I pushed that all the roles are alignment indicative because that's what you are implying.

[juliets]

I will have to do some reading before I name anyone who I think is bad. There are many alternatives.

Also [mention]dunya[/mention] I don't understand why do don't see me and Kites as compatible teammates. I have defended him all game (and not to pocket you Kites, it was because I thought the suspicions of you were wrong). So I don't understand that and it makes me go hmmm.