MU Season 6 Scrimmage [GAME OVER]

[MacDougall]

Mac you'd be an obv kill after you stated you had a green check before you said who it was, I think he's wondering why you said you were cop and that you had a green check in the first place.

I am confused

[MacDougall]

If Mac also suspected DDL then why do you think it was weird that he copped him?

I didn't think it was weird he copped him. It was weird that he outed himself.

If I didn't out myself I would have been an obvious kill and my green peek goes to the grave with me so how bout no.

Did you not read where I said that I find it unbelievable that you would be killed?

I do not agree. If I didn't reveal my green peek I would have been the kill target for sure.

[MacDougall]

Mac you'd be an obv kill after you stated you had a green check before you said who it was, I think he's wondering why you said you were cop and that you had a green check in the first place.

I said I was the cop and had a green peek because I am the cop and I have a green peek

[Dragomir]

If Mac also suspected DDL then why do you think it was weird that he copped him?

I didn't think it was weird he copped him. It was weird that he outed himself.

If I didn't out myself I would have been an obvious kill and my green peek goes to the grave with me so how bout no.

Did you not read where I said that I find it unbelievable that you would be killed?

I do not agree. If I didn't reveal my green peek I would have been the kill target for sure.

I'm finna have to press x to doubt.

[MacDougall]

If Mac also suspected DDL then why do you think it was weird that he copped him?

I didn't think it was weird he copped him. It was weird that he outed himself.

If I didn't out myself I would have been an obvious kill and my green peek goes to the grave with me so how bout no.

Did you not read where I said that I find it unbelievable that you would be killed?

I do not agree. If I didn't reveal my green peek I would have been the kill target for sure.

I'm finna have to press x to doubt.

If I am the Mafia and there is a cop that knows another civ's alignment and they don't say anything that cop is dead as fuck.

[nutella]

K you do you, if it were me I'd probably wait until either myself or the person I checked were in danger of being lynched but ok

[nutella]

I guess if you think DDL's alignment was central to solving several other people that makes some sense

[Dragomir]

If Mac also suspected DDL then why do you think it was weird that he copped him?

I didn't think it was weird he copped him. It was weird that he outed himself.

If I didn't out myself I would have been an obvious kill and my green peek goes to the grave with me so how bout no.

Did you not read where I said that I find it unbelievable that you would be killed?

I do not agree. If I didn't reveal my green peek I would have been the kill target for sure.

I'm finna have to press x to doubt.

If I am the Mafia and there is a cop that knows another civ's alignment and they don't say anything that cop is dead as fuck.

Assuming that mafia knows who the cop is in the first.

[MacDougall]

I guess I did it initially to inflate my sense of self importance. I dunno it was a snap decision. Do you always think deeply about why you do things? Omg get away from me you space invader.

[MacDougall]

I didn't think it was weird he copped him. It was weird that he outed himself.

If I didn't out myself I would have been an obvious kill and my green peek goes to the grave with me so how bout no.

Did you not read where I said that I find it unbelievable that you would be killed?

I do not agree. If I didn't reveal my green peek I would have been the kill target for sure.

I'm finna have to press x to doubt.

If I am the Mafia and there is a cop that knows another civ's alignment and they don't say anything that cop is dead as fuck.

Assuming that mafia knows who the cop is in the first.

I literally told them

[Dragomir]

I didn't think it was weird he copped him. It was weird that he outed himself.

If I didn't out myself I would have been an obvious kill and my green peek goes to the grave with me so how bout no.

Did you not read where I said that I find it unbelievable that you would be killed?

I do not agree. If I didn't reveal my green peek I would have been the kill target for sure.

I'm finna have to press x to doubt.

If I am the Mafia and there is a cop that knows another civ's alignment and they don't say anything that cop is dead as fuck.

Assuming that mafia knows who the cop is in the first.

In the first place.

[Dragomir]

If I didn't out myself I would have been an obvious kill and my green peek goes to the grave with me so how bout no.

Did you not read where I said that I find it unbelievable that you would be killed?

I do not agree. If I didn't reveal my green peek I would have been the kill target for sure.

I'm finna have to press x to doubt.

If I am the Mafia and there is a cop that knows another civ's alignment and they don't say anything that cop is dead as fuck.

Assuming that mafia knows who the cop is in the first.

I literally told them

Before you claimed.

[MacDougall]

Did you not read where I said that I find it unbelievable that you would be killed?

I do not agree. If I didn't reveal my green peek I would have been the kill target for sure.

I'm finna have to press x to doubt.

If I am the Mafia and there is a cop that knows another civ's alignment and they don't say anything that cop is dead as fuck.

Assuming that mafia knows who the cop is in the first.

I literally told them

Before you claimed.

So you are confused as to why I didn't just hold onto the information? Or is it why I initially claimed without just sharing the info?

Providing the game with this information is going to make it easier to narrow down the Mafia. DDL was still suspicious to several people. Even if I might not have appeared to be a target, not sharing this information makes no sense given I have no other peeks so I have nothing to lose. The Mafia will also have a better idea of what roles are left and who has them etc. so who knows whether they worked out I was the cop. Holding onto the information isn't worth the risk.

[Luxurious]

Oh ALSO re: Mac ability

It has the ninja modifier so it goes first in action resolution

"Ninja: Kills performed with Ninja cannot be detected (serves no purpose if player is town)"

What’s the point of this if the modifier is on alignment cop

[Luxurious]

Hold up. I don't understand the point in Mac revealing that he got inno on DDL. DDL was literally someone who everybody town read but me. That shit didn't help. So your entire claim brung like no purpose @MacDougall unless I'm missing something.

I didn't town read him.

Ok, everybody besides you and me. The point is, DDL is no danger of being lynched or having a wagon form on him anyhow.

Mac had been hard pushing DDL until yesterday where he decided he was tunneling and stopped

[MacDougall]

I don't know why this is such a confusing thing to do. I have a one shot cop in an open role claim game. Not sharing my peek on the day I got it makes fuck all sense.

[MacDougall]

Also why has nobody questioned why I put Wolbre's banner in my signature?! Fuck it's been there for months and nobody has said a thing.

[MacDougall]

Dragomir are you like the only active mafia left on your team? Is that why you are all weird and desperate? I am so confused by your play today. You're giving me anxiety.

[Luxurious]

I just woke up from a nap so I physically cannot wrap my head around what the problem here is.

Like. What was wrong with Mac claiming. And then nutella shade... even though i’ve already had this discussion with Mac... what’s the problem

[Luxurious]

Speed stuff is also what I’ve been thinking about re: being blocked. So having 4 option there to stop me, while also knowing I claimed day 2 and scum would try to stop my protection/ roleblock

It makes sense

[Luxurious]

Mac explain to me what the issue is. I read all of it but like

What???

[Dragomir]

I don't know why this is such a confusing thing to do. I have a one shot cop in an open role claim game. Not sharing my peek on the day I got it makes fuck all sense.

I had forgot that the cop only gets one peek.

[Luxurious]

Oh hey while I’m here since i do have to keep packing again:

I will not be here for eod tomorrow. I will try to be on my phone but I have a 4 hour trip back home since the semester is over and signal is notoriously shitty in amish country

[speedchuck]

What's up with these low vote wagons here man? Need some more voters up in here. @speedchuck who do you want to lynch?

[VOTE: RDW2] aubergine

I'm still weighing options.

What do you think about what I said about Mac and Nut?

Mac claiming makes perfect sense. It solidifies DDL and Mac into the core without sacrificing any future checks... because he has none.

Solidifying them into the core for what reason? DDL is only being scum read by two ppl, who tf will check him? Me or you when nobody knows if we are an invest or not? It makes no sense to put somebody in the core who was already in the core. Mac would out himself so he doesn't get checked? That's kinda dumb but ok.

Is your stance that Mac should not have given town information to use, and possibly died eventually without giving us this knowledge?

Because I'm sitting here like what

With logic like that a cop should claim D1 every game no? I find it unbelievable that scum would view Mac as someone to kill when he was being suspected several times and could be someone to mislynch. Mac is now in greater threat of dying than when he was hidden and unclaimed.

If the cop is one-shot and has used his shot? YES.

[MacDougall]

Mac explain to me what the issue is. I read all of it but like

What???

[speedchuck]

K you do you, if it were me I'd probably wait until either myself or the person I checked were in danger of being lynched but ok

Why tho

[Dragon D. Luffy]

@nutella How tf did DDL top your townlist?

I thought he was the most genuine sounding player, next to nova, before I subbed in. Looks to me like he is actively trying to hunt and I believe I even mindmelded with him on a couple things, don't remember what though

Hard disagree with this read. First of all, DDL ain't actively trying to hunt shit. Second of all, I've done more hunting than he has and you ain't town reading me. I'll elaborate more if you want in the morning when I wake up.

For what it's worth DDL and I have somewhat similar approaches to the game so I probably have a different reaction to his play so far than you (idk if you've played with him before?) and imo he looks good here. I don't care if you think you're hunting more, it looks fake whereas his reads look organic.

I dont think your approach has been that similar

Me neither.

I also suspect pocketing.

[speedchuck]

Also why has nobody questioned why I put Wolbre's banner in my signature?! Fuck it's been there for months and nobody has said a thing.

I don't see Sigs. What's there?

[speedchuck]

@nutella How tf did DDL top your townlist?

I thought he was the most genuine sounding player, next to nova, before I subbed in. Looks to me like he is actively trying to hunt and I believe I even mindmelded with him on a couple things, don't remember what though

Hard disagree with this read. First of all, DDL ain't actively trying to hunt shit. Second of all, I've done more hunting than he has and you ain't town reading me. I'll elaborate more if you want in the morning when I wake up.

For what it's worth DDL and I have somewhat similar approaches to the game so I probably have a different reaction to his play so far than you (idk if you've played with him before?) and imo he looks good here. I don't care if you think you're hunting more, it looks fake whereas his reads look organic.

I dont think your approach has been that similar

Me neither.

I also suspect pocketing.

I wanna hear more of this fo sho

[Dragomir]

You outing yourself made no sense to me as I thought you had more peeks but you didn't.

[Dragomir]

[VOTE: RDW2] aubergine

I'm still weighing options.

What do you think about what I said about Mac and Nut?

Mac claiming makes perfect sense. It solidifies DDL and Mac into the core without sacrificing any future checks... because he has none.

Solidifying them into the core for what reason? DDL is only being scum read by two ppl, who tf will check him? Me or you when nobody knows if we are an invest or not? It makes no sense to put somebody in the core who was already in the core. Mac would out himself so he doesn't get checked? That's kinda dumb but ok.

Is your stance that Mac should not have given town information to use, and possibly died eventually without giving us this knowledge?

Because I'm sitting here like what

With logic like that a cop should claim D1 every game no? I find it unbelievable that scum would view Mac as someone to kill when he was being suspected several times and could be someone to mislynch. Mac is now in greater threat of dying than when he was hidden and unclaimed.

If the cop is one-shot and has used his shot? YES.

I FORGOT THAT COP HAD ONLY A ONE-SHOT IN THIS SETUP.

Don't mean to be rude or anything with the all caps.

[Dragomir]

[VOTE: RDW2] aubergine

I'm still weighing options.

What do you think about what I said about Mac and Nut?

Mac claiming makes perfect sense. It solidifies DDL and Mac into the core without sacrificing any future checks... because he has none.

Solidifying them into the core for what reason? DDL is only being scum read by two ppl, who tf will check him? Me or you when nobody knows if we are an invest or not? It makes no sense to put somebody in the core who was already in the core. Mac would out himself so he doesn't get checked? That's kinda dumb but ok.

Is your stance that Mac should not have given town information to use, and possibly died eventually without giving us this knowledge?

Because I'm sitting here like what

With logic like that a cop should claim D1 every game no? I find it unbelievable that scum would view Mac as someone to kill when he was being suspected several times and could be someone to mislynch. Mac is now in greater threat of dying than when he was hidden and unclaimed.

If the cop is one-shot and has used his shot? YES.

I FORGOT THAT COP HAD ONLY A ONE-SHOT IN THIS SETUP.

Don't mean to be rude or anything with the all caps.

[Dragomir]

Damn double posting.

[speedchuck]

What do you think about what I said about Mac and Nut?

Mac claiming makes perfect sense. It solidifies DDL and Mac into the core without sacrificing any future checks... because he has none.

Solidifying them into the core for what reason? DDL is only being scum read by two ppl, who tf will check him? Me or you when nobody knows if we are an invest or not? It makes no sense to put somebody in the core who was already in the core. Mac would out himself so he doesn't get checked? That's kinda dumb but ok.

Is your stance that Mac should not have given town information to use, and possibly died eventually without giving us this knowledge?

Because I'm sitting here like what

With logic like that a cop should claim D1 every game no? I find it unbelievable that scum would view Mac as someone to kill when he was being suspected several times and could be someone to mislynch. Mac is now in greater threat of dying than when he was hidden and unclaimed.

If the cop is one-shot and has used his shot? YES.

I FORGOT THAT COP HAD ONLY A ONE-SHOT IN THIS SETUP.

Don't mean to be rude or anything with the all caps.

You're fine.

I posted this before I saw you acknowledge the forgetting thing

[Dragomir]

Man what's up with me this 2019 year? Can't get a correct scum read for shit.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Does anyone else have familiarity with the "chainsaw defense" concept, i.e. have they seen the accusation hurled before in other games? A little clarity on the precise context and meaning of the thing would be super.

No I've just seen the mafiawiki make a big deal about it so I keep it on the back of my head in case it one day becomes useful.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

My first instinct is that DDL is genuine in his suspicion of me. As I just noted, we've been in a similar place before, and I can understand if he feels the need to stand as some resistance to my authority over the game.

Nah man.

I love your authority. It's good for town.

The issue is that you are not showing it in this game.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Page 46.

Dragomir is town and there are few people I wouldn't vote to protect him.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Even though he is currently the 4th biggest threat to town's continued existance.

(The other 3 being the mafiosos)

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Please tell me the remaining 4 pages I have to read are not just people trying to make Dragomir act reasonably and failing to do so.

Because it's making this catch-up boring.

The stuff that you guys find me to be doing as unreasonable is not as unreasonable as you may think.

I understand that gloating may be TMI and a bad thing and not giving town reads is also a bad thing but that's just part of my personality mate. I love being right and it hurts when I'm wrong. Basically why I keep playing mafia as I want to have correct reads and if they're wrong I'll use them as motivation.

Like come on, you guys can't be telling me you don't like rubbing it in once in a while.

I like winning more than I like being right.

Though you are right I do like being right.

Now I give you a chance to reedem yourself. Lynch Jay.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I think if Dragomir is right about Owner it’s a bus through and through

Explain.

If owner is scum you definitely bussed. There’s not really a reason to NOT townread Owner imo

I want Owner to be lynched now and have him flip scum, then when I flip town, you will be dumbfounded by the flip and then I will laugh.

You are ruining my intent of gloating about Jay after I catch him because the way you keep talking about it makes the idea itself feel bad.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Like I'm basically ok with lynching rdw I guess but...

This is how the dark side usually wins.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

In the name of the Jay, I charge you to make effort cases. In the name of the Dunya, I charge you to be creepily accurate. In the name of the Epi, I charge you to irritate the scum into failure. Arise, Luffy of Naruto Forums, a civ of the S6 Scrimmage.

Omg thanks

Now lets lynch Jay.

No seriously, Mac. Look at me. From man to man. We have been together in the same faction many times. As both civ/civ and w/w. We have won a game where we made Jay mislynch 7 times while we laughed at him from Chatzy. It was fun. But now I am offering an even bigger pleasure. We are going to catch him with stealing the cookie pot.

You may think hes civ because he made 285383938 ISOs and played every item from the Jay playbook. But who do you say is the town leader now? Luxurious? Maybe you? Nova was a decent leader too. But Jay is not, because he is not engaging. He is not talking to us. He is in his little world, filling the Jay checklist while the rest of us are mind melding.

Then we will propose some obvious bait lynch (dragomir/rdw/jessie) and Jay will join. Then they will flip town, we will say "alas, poor scummy civ" and we will go back to playing while Jay will start working on Jayexercise #8.

This has to stop. I have descended from the skies to purge the corrupt Teddy Bear from the Earth. I shall fulfill this mission then gladly take a night kill for it. For I am Luffy, cleanser of fake town leaders.

Join me.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Buddy buddy buddy

Lmao yeah that and his reaction to your DDL peek, I'm happy keeping my vote on him

nutella please

What is scum Dragomir's motivation to even do that

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Man what's up with me this 2019 year? Can't get a correct scum read for shit.

Remember this feeling.

It will make you grow.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

In this video, I am Luffy and Arlong is Jay.

You guys can decide who will be the three man who will come with me.

[speedchuck]

In the name of the Jay, I charge you to make effort cases. In the name of the Dunya, I charge you to be creepily accurate. In the name of the Epi, I charge you to irritate the scum into failure. Arise, Luffy of Naruto Forums, a civ of the S6 Scrimmage.

Omg thanks

Now lets lynch Jay.

No seriously, Mac. Look at me. From man to man. We have been together in the same faction many times. As both civ/civ and w/w. We have won a game where we made Jay mislynch 7 times while we laughed at him from Chatzy. It was fun. But now I am offering an even bigger pleasure. We are going to catch him with stealing the cookie pot.

You may think hes civ because he made 285383938 ISOs and played every item from the Jay playbook. But who do you say is the town leader now? Luxurious? Maybe you? Nova was a decent leader too. But Jay is not, because he is not engaging. He is not talking to us. He is in his little world, filling the Jay checklist while the rest of us are mind melding.

Then we will propose some obvious bait lynch (dragomir/rdw/jessie) and Jay will join. Then they will flip town, we will say "alas, poor scummy civ" and we will go back to playing while Jay will start working on Jayexercise #8.

This has to stop. I have descended from the skies to purge the corrupt Teddy Bear from the Earth. I shall fulfill this mission then gladly take a night kill for it. For I am Luffy, cleanser of fake town leaders.

Join me.

You ain't talking to me, but I'm f#&@ing moved.

[VOTE: Jigglyjammyjorp] aubergine

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I have my swordsman. Now I need the sniper and the cook.

[Luxurious]

I liked op before the two year skip so that fucks

[Luxurious]

Anyway I had a thought which has been obv affecting the way I’ve been thinking about the game so I have a question for people who play on the syndicate as well:

Do you guys modkill inactives?

Because at the rate this game is going, it’s frustrating me endlessly that they’re not here. Like all three of them can be town/ scum, but they’re not here to prove it. We’re four days in and they obviously arent posting, and arent going too.

If they’re all town that dramatically affects the way we view the game, and if they’re all scum we’ve been sitting in a town echo chamber lynching amongst ourselves in a panic because lynching inactives is such a shitty ass coin flip.

Anyway I’m considering JJJ because you make a point about him not interacting that much.